| 00:17:59 | jacques | heh |
| 00:31:07 | _HONKEY_ | jacques: i discovered the real reason for my kernel panic...the download aborted and it was only 2MB in size instead of 11 :/ |
| 00:32:23 | jacques | _HONKEY_: hmmm. sigh. linux is not fault tolerant at all. |
| 00:32:31 | jacques | _HONKEY_: :-D |
| 00:32:47 | jacques | _HONKEY_: what's 9MB between friends? |
| 00:35:05 | _HONKEY_ | heh |
| 00:35:06 | _HONKEY_ | wot |
| 01:25:30 | _HONKEY_ | werd!@#$@ i got it working!@#$ |
| 01:52:01 | _HONKEY_ | woohoo!@#$ it works...altho the base image (complete) is kinda barebones =( i don't have a ethernet card yet =( |
| 01:54:18 | _HONKEY_ | silly me i didn't do ipkg install_pending |
| 02:00:21 | _HONKEY_ | is there any way to change the orientation of X? |
| 02:00:31 | bdkearns | edit /etc/init.d/x |
| 02:06:50 | _HONKEY_ | here's a questoin, could i start ppp, disconnect and start the pppd on muh side? |
| 02:08:46 | _HONKEY_ | argh!@#$ why does it randomly shut off |
| 02:09:54 | jacques | _HONKEY_: what? |
| 02:10:06 | jacques | _HONKEY_: you sure t's not just blanking the screen? |
| 02:10:20 | _HONKEY_ | hmm, maybe it didn't shutoff, just turned the screen off, pressing the joypad brought it right back |
| 02:10:39 | jacques | _HONKEY_: that's a feature |
| 02:10:47 | bdkearns | :) |
| 02:10:55 | jacques | _HONKEY_: unless it did t when you touched the screen, then it's a known bug |
| 02:12:21 | _HONKEY_ | thats what happened, i touched the screen, and it turned off, but let me make sure it wasn't a timeout issue |
| 02:12:46 | _HONKEY_ | i'm just a spaz heh :D |
| 02:13:42 | jacques | _HONKEY_: then it's a bug - it's fixed in the latest kernels and X server |
| 02:14:01 | jacques | _HONKEY_: if you move to familiar unstable I think that problem will go away |
| 02:14:47 | _HONKEY_ | i don't have a ethernet card for this puppy yet..is it a image or is there another way of networking (using ppp i would imagine, thru the serial port?) |
| 02:15:38 | bdkearns | check the wiki |
| 02:16:14 | _HONKEY_ | that i will |
| 03:11:49 | scott | hey, what's an advantage of famiilar over, say, pocketlinux? |
| 03:11:58 | scott | I assume I can get perl and java with both? |
| 03:18:56 | | cworth was last seen on #ipaq 7 hours, 44 minutes and 12 seconds ago, saying: <private message> [Mon Jun 18 20:34:44 2001] |
| 03:18:56 | dneuer | ibot: seen cworth? |
| 03:19:19 | dneuer | cworth: is my user list lying, or are you here? |
| 03:20:22 | dneuer | OK, next question. Who presently in this channel is an ipkg guru? |
| 03:23:17 | Nermal | :) |
| 03:32:43 | dneuer | hi nelson |
| 03:33:53 | nelson | dneuer: I hate it when my connection goes down, and irc doesn't notice. |
| 03:35:28 | dneuer | yes, that officially sucks |
| 03:36:24 | dneuer | nelson: have you much experience building ipkgs? |
| 03:38:10 | dneuer | nelson: bad connection, huh |
| 04:01:59 | scott | blah |
| 04:02:25 | scott | question: the pages on famaliar seem to have/list fewer apps than the pages for pocketlinux |
| 04:02:44 | scott | is this a porting issue? or something else? |
| 04:03:03 | jacques | um, unupdated pages? |
| 04:03:20 | scott | I am just looking for gcc, perl.. tk... |
| 04:03:33 | scott | I don't see anything but python on for familiar... |
| 04:03:36 | scott | is that right ? |
| 04:03:59 | dneuer | gcc and perl are both kind of big to run on iPAQ |
| 04:04:04 | jacques | pocketlinux has gcc? |
| 04:04:10 | bdkearns_away | w/o external storage.. |
| 04:04:12 | scott | it seems like it |
| 04:04:16 | dneuer | though at least gcc does exist |
| 04:04:24 | scott | I'm thinking about buying an ipaq |
| 04:04:31 | scott | I just need to know that I can get perl on it... etc. |
| 04:04:31 | dneuer | methinks bdkearns is not really away ;-) |
| 04:04:39 | bdkearns_away | I'm semi away :) |
| 04:04:44 | dneuer | scott: hold on |
| 04:04:46 | bdkearns_away | soon to be permanently away |
| 04:04:52 | scott | I assume you guys all have ipaqs? what's the max storage in the thing without bulky expansions ? |
| 04:05:06 | jacques | scott: all expansion on ipaq is bulky |
| 04:05:08 | bdkearns_away | what does 'bulky expansions' mean to you |
| 04:05:16 | jacques | scott: no builtin slots at all |
| 04:05:22 | bdkearns_away | max internal storage? 32mb flash |
| 04:05:24 | scott | ya>? |
| 04:05:24 | bdkearns_away | 64 ram |
| 04:05:29 | dneuer | scott: perl doesn't seem to be packaged up for familiar |
| 04:05:31 | scott | but isn't there at leat some internal memory slots ? |
| 04:05:35 | bdkearns_away | no |
| 04:05:39 | scott | ok |
| 04:05:40 | jacques | but 32MB flash is by luck only - most have 16MB flash |
| 04:05:43 | scott | I'll go pocketlinux, then |
| 04:05:47 | bdkearns_away | jacques: or upgrade |
| 04:05:47 | scott | ew |
| 04:05:50 | dneuer | 32 flash is an anomaly |
| 04:05:54 | jacques | bdkearns_away: good point |
| 04:05:58 | scott | can you get 256mb flash? |
| 04:06:00 | scott | <-- newbie |
| 04:06:03 | bdkearns_away | no |
| 04:06:04 | jacques | scott: no |
| 04:06:07 | scott | 128 ? |
| 04:06:09 | bdkearns_away | it can only address 32mb flash IIRC |
| 04:06:12 | scott | ok |
| 04:06:19 | bdkearns_away | check the docs |
| 04:06:24 | scott | 2 slots then ? ok. goin now |
| 04:06:40 | dneuer | I don't believe that the iPAQs are upgradeable, other than by sleeve or by solder |
| 04:06:52 | jacques | they are not |
| 04:06:55 | scott | blah |
| 04:06:56 | scott | ok |
| 04:07:33 | jacques | scott: if you want big storage you have to pay fo rit in bulk (and additional cost) |
| 04:07:37 | scott | how do hyou all like your ipaqs? |
| 04:07:53 | scott | well, I don't ind a plug on at home for wireless and storage |
| 04:07:59 | dneuer | would like his 3150 a lot better if X worked, and it didn't oops |
| 04:08:12 | jacques | dneuer: :-( I thought it was working now |
| 04:08:15 | dneuer | but it looks cool |
| 04:08:18 | scott | but when I go mobile, I'd like to have at least perl... or, if there isn't a too bulky pcmcia, get at least riccochet... |
| 04:08:22 | dneuer | jaques: works somewhat |
| 04:08:29 | dneuer | posted an update to the list about it |
| 04:08:36 | dneuer | X really doesn't work |
| 04:08:40 | bdkearns_away | scott: I don't see why you couldn't package up perl yourself for familiar |
| 04:08:40 | jacques | dneuer: I need to chek that out then |
| 04:08:54 | scott | bd: I just found out about this tonight |
| 04:08:57 | bdkearns_away | it probably hasn't been packaged yet because fam maintainers like python, and are using that |
| 04:09:10 | dneuer | I'm loading a new jffs2 image on it as we speak to run X under gdb |
| 04:09:13 | scott | is familiar a full linux? how much space is left? can I pull across binaries cross compiled under another linux? |
| 04:09:16 | jacques | scott: perl works fine on the ipaq |
| 04:09:31 | jacques | scott: define full linux please |
| 04:09:39 | scott | I mostly run solaris and freebsd... although I've inherited a few tru64s recently :-) |
| 04:09:40 | bdkearns_away | it has package managment -- you pick what you want |
| 04:09:58 | dneuer | scott: the short answer is "no, it is not what most people think of as a *full* linux" |
| 04:10:05 | scott | jac: sorry... can I "compile" for it.. so I can make my own binaries.. "on it" ... |
| 04:10:12 | dneuer | scott: in terms of userland, at least |
| 04:10:30 | dneuer | scott: you can compile for and make your own binaries |
| 04:10:33 | jacques | scott: thre simply is not enough space in 16MB flash to have a full dev environment |
| 04:10:42 | scott | all I need is less, perl, emacs (ok, microemacs) and perl.. and I'm able to do all my development. |
| 04:10:44 | dneuer | scott: kernel-wise, it's as linux as linux gets |
| 04:10:45 | bdkearns_away | you can crosscompile, or compile native on skiff/shark, or on ipaq w/ microdrive or NFS |
| 04:10:53 | bdkearns_away | or... |
| 04:10:55 | jacques | scott: then you are OK |
| 04:10:58 | scott | ok |
| 04:11:10 | scott | and then I could copy it into the flash and take off the sleeve. |
| 04:11:11 | scott | etc. |
| 04:11:41 | scott | then, what is the size of the os image.. just to get X up and running? out of 16mb, how much space will I have left? |
| 04:12:17 | jacques | scott: with X running, on a 16MB flash unit you would have about 4MB left |
| 04:12:24 | dneuer | scott: typical familar install uses about 12 of the 15 megs in the root partition |
| 04:12:40 | bdkearns_away | but that also includes things that aren't just 'to get X up and running' |
| 04:12:43 | scott | and if I were lucky enough to get 32mb in one... then I'd have plenty of room |
| 04:12:44 | dneuer | scott: but there's some junk that can be deleted |
| 04:12:44 | bdkearns_away | such as python |
| 04:12:52 | scott | well, I like python too |
| 04:12:55 | bdkearns_away | scott: they don't come with 32mb anymore |
| 04:13:03 | bdkearns_away | the reason they did was because of flash chip shortage |
| 04:13:08 | scott | huh? they got smaller? |
| 04:13:14 | scott | *puzzle* |
| 04:13:28 | bdkearns_away | only 32mb flash chips were avail at the time, so they used those |
| 04:13:33 | scott | 3670 lists 64mb ram |
| 04:13:36 | jacques | scott: 16MB parts were not available |
| 04:13:46 | jacques | scott: don't confuse RAm with flash |
| 04:13:47 | bdkearns_away | RAM != flash |
| 04:14:03 | scott | can you remove the flast? |
| 04:14:07 | scott | er, flash? |
| 04:14:09 | dneuer | no |
| 04:14:15 | scott | *grrr* |
| 04:14:30 | dneuer | you can erase it, but that's not a good idea :-) |
| 04:14:31 | jacques | scott: if you have a CF sleeve you can remove the CF card |
| 04:14:35 | scott | suck in a ram drive via usb? :-) |
| 04:14:35 | bdkearns_away | sure, with a chisel and hammer :) |
| 04:15:08 | bdkearns_away | the ipaq's usb doesn't have a host controller |
| 04:15:10 | scott | ok... is there such thing as a microdrive for these puppies? > 40GB ? |
| 04:15:15 | bdkearns_away | hah no |
| 04:15:21 | dneuer | CF cards are available, and IBM makes 1GB microdrives (need cf sleeve or adapter for 1st, PC Card sleeve for latter) |
| 04:15:25 | jacques | > 40GB??? |
| 04:15:26 | scott | damn, looking less promising as I go. |
| 04:15:40 | jacques | scott: you don't want much do you |
| 04:15:45 | bdkearns_away | 1gb microdrive max for now, I think there's a 6gig or so coming |
| 04:15:45 | bdkearns_away | I think SanDisk makes a PCMCIA flash card with 1.2 gig flash |
| 04:15:46 | bdkearns_away | I don't want to even think of the price for that |
| 04:15:47 | dneuer | scott: I think you'd be surprised what you can't do w/ 1 GB |
| 04:16:13 | dneuer | scott: but an iPAQ (or any handheld device for that matter) is not a substitute for a laptop |
| 04:16:22 | dneuer | I mean what you can do |
| 04:16:38 | jacques | hell only that absolute latst laptops have 40GB and those are 2.5" drives |
| 04:16:45 | scott | well, this is what I want... I want 1 pc .. .instead of 2.. I'm down from 12. My goal pc now is >2GHz CPU, 1GB RAM, >80GB disk.... short of that, I'm just seeing how small I can get a perl + X + internet box. |
| 04:17:12 | scott | ya, 1GB would be perfect for the handheld. |
| 04:17:17 | dneuer | scott: iPAQ will do it, but not w/ much to spare |
| 04:17:36 | scott | ya, well, I won't be putting my .movs or mp3s on the thing.. |
| 04:17:39 | scott | just some perl code. |
| 04:17:43 | scott | I code AI |
| 04:17:51 | scott | it doesn't take a lot of room. |
| 04:18:08 | dneuer | scott: AI and not using Lisp? How dare you!!! |
| 04:18:18 | jacques | scott: I dunno, you might find coding slow using only a touchscreen |
| 04:18:20 | dneuer | scott: heretic |
| 04:18:41 | scott | dneur: checks watch... wow... only 30 minutes. I usually get that much sooner. |
| 04:18:45 | dneuer | jaques: stowaway keyboard is only $99 |
| 04:18:54 | dneuer | :-) |
| 04:18:56 | scott | ya... I think I'm ending up coding something similiar to lisp... but I digress. |
| 04:19:07 | dneuer | is not a Lisp fan |
| 04:19:07 | scott | I would pull out a real keyboard to really code on the thing |
| 04:19:11 | scott | ya, me either |
| 04:19:21 | dneuer | likes scheme though |
| 04:19:26 | scott | I just do pewl because it is ubiquitous and so forgiving... |
| 04:19:27 | dneuer | sort of |
| 04:19:48 | scott | the only reason I haven't gotten into python heavily is that i've used pewl for so long. |
| 04:20:02 | dneuer | I really want to learn Haskell and Ruby |
| 04:20:14 | scott | is the touch screen decent? I assume that i can acess that with perl... |
| 04:20:22 | scott | haskell sounds familiar. |
| 04:20:25 | bdkearns_away | what do you mean by decent? |
| 04:20:48 | scott | sensitive... responsive.... |
| 04:20:56 | bdkearns_away | uh. yep |
| 04:20:57 | dneuer | damn! flashing this thing takes a long time |
| 04:21:14 | scott | um. whta is the compaq voice stuff I read about? is taht any different than festival? and has anyone tried sphynx2 ? |
| 04:21:14 | bdkearns_away | dneuer: well, flashing doesn't take that long compared to transferring over serial :) |
| 04:21:15 | jacques | dneuer: flashing or downloading over serial? |
| 04:21:27 | scott | installed windows via laptop |
| 04:21:29 | dneuer | flashing over serial |
| 04:22:54 | scott | I wonder what I could do to my blackberry |
| 04:26:06 | scott | the CF expansion |
| 04:26:10 | scott | is only 1 CF or two ? |
| 04:26:32 | dneuer | 1, but I think there's a dual something-or-other sleeve coming out |
| 04:26:40 | scott | ok |
| 04:26:49 | scott | see, getting a dual could be cool... dual 64s |
| 04:26:58 | dneuer | wants to have his CF and NIC plugged in together |
| 04:27:01 | scott | can you have both CF and PCMCIA sleeves on ? |
| 04:27:13 | dneuer | one or the other |
| 04:27:18 | scott | *ARGH* |
| 04:27:18 | dneuer | at at time |
| 04:27:36 | dneuer | but CF works with PCMCIA w/ an adapter |
| 04:27:50 | dneuer | not vice-versa |
| 04:27:57 | scott | aha! |
| 04:28:01 | scott | and I can get one with two pcmcia |
| 04:28:08 | scott | so I could go one 64MB and 1 wireless |
| 04:28:11 | dneuer | scott: hold on |
| 04:28:12 | scott | almost a useable machine! |
| 04:28:30 | scott | plug in a keyboard, and a microscope to see the screen, and I'm off. |
| 04:29:19 | dneuer | dual PCMCIA |
| 04:29:40 | scott | ya |
| 04:29:44 | dneuer | part # 216198-B21 |
| 04:29:44 | scott | I'm looking at the buy-it page now |
| 04:30:28 | scott | how is the support for cards like gps, etc? under linux ? |
| 04:30:40 | dneuer | damn! now I want that |
| 04:31:07 | jacques | yeh, dual sleeve will open up a lot more applications |
| 04:31:13 | scott | I figure with a dual pcmcia... 1 gps, one radio modem.. and I could have a neat gadget.... |
| 04:32:15 | jacques | scott: true |
| 04:33:21 | scott | it doesn't seem possile to buy the dual yet |
| 04:33:32 | dneuer | nope. rumor is July, I think |
| 04:33:36 | jacques | i don't know anyone who has found one in stock |
| 04:35:57 | jacques | mobileplanet says mid-july |
| 04:37:40 | scott | hahaha |
| 04:37:41 | scott | yes |
| 04:37:47 | scott | tucows has a blackberry section |
| 04:37:54 | scott | I wonder if I can get perl on it |
| 04:37:56 | scott | *GRIN* |
| 04:38:09 | jacques | scott: how much ram does it have? |
| 04:38:15 | scott | 5M |
| 04:38:32 | dneuer | scott: miniperl might fit |
| 04:38:36 | scott | yup |
| 04:38:38 | scott | I just want the binary |
| 04:38:41 | scott | don't need anything else |
| 04:38:57 | dneuer | scott: really? how useful is miniperl by itself? |
| 04:39:07 | scott | I've never used miniperl |
| 04:39:08 | scott | what is it |
| 04:39:20 | scott | I have all my own modules.. they're extremely tiny. |
| 04:39:28 | jacques | scott: is that RAM or flash? |
| 04:39:29 | dneuer | scott: it's the bare binary, first stage of perl build process |
| 04:39:34 | scott | ram |
| 04:39:46 | scott | that's all I ever use |
| 04:39:50 | scott | it has all the built in functions |
| 04:39:54 | scott | the modules are just bloat |
| 04:39:56 | scott | in my eyes |
| 04:40:08 | dneuer | scott: so you never do "use blah;"? |
| 04:40:19 | scott | nope |
| 04:40:35 | scott | lemme see |
| 04:41:21 | scott | ("@_" =~ m@(?:^|\n)\s*\b$pat\b\s+(?:[^\n]*?)\s*([^\n\s]+?)\s*(?:#[^\n]*?)?\s*(? |
| 04:41:22 | scott | =\n)@ig); |
| 04:41:27 | scott | that's about what my perl looks like |
| 04:41:41 | dneuer | scott: glad I don't have to maintain it ;-) |
| 04:41:49 | scott | that's the entire program. |
| 04:41:50 | scott | :-> |
| 04:42:32 | scott | well, not really.. but the heart of it |
| 04:42:40 | scott | hmmm. rim development kit... :-) |
| 04:42:47 | dneuer | scott: I was going to say, looks like you're just parsing input into a list |
| 04:42:54 | scott | yup |
| 04:43:02 | scott | it was meant to read unix style config files |
| 04:43:08 | scott | httpd.conf, specifically. |
| 04:44:05 | dneuer | 's download is *still going* |
| 04:44:14 | dneuer | ugh |
| 04:46:20 | dneuer | is going to go read an actual book! made of paper! |
| 04:46:26 | dneuer | is away: gotta go watch a movie w/ my honey |
| 04:46:47 | dneuer | is back (gone 00:00:20) |
| 04:46:48 | dneuer | is away: gotta go |
| 04:57:00 | scott | thanks everyone! |
| 11:57:32 | cworth | morning all |
| 12:02:35 | boodle | cworth: morning |
| 12:03:21 | cworth | boodle: hello |
| 12:08:14 | boodle | cworth: I have an ion question. I tried it yesterday (installed from unstable ipkg) and found it didn't seem to modify /etc/init.d/x to startup as default.. is that 'correct' and I should just change blackbox& to ion& ? |
| 12:08:46 | cworth | boodle: for now that is correct |
| 12:09:37 | cworth | boodle: I've aimed this package at Familiar 0.5 (in which Alexnader will provide a multi-user environment where each user can choose a preferred window manager, etc.) |
| 12:10:50 | boodle | cworth: ok |
| 14:30:45 | dneuer | is away: gotta pretend to work |
| 14:47:21 | nikos | is away: Errands |
| 15:08:01 | sjohnson | is away: Gont to lunch |
| 15:12:15 | Nermal | lo all :) |
| 15:34:49 | DrgnEgle | Hello all |
| 15:35:14 | DrgnEgle | Does anyone know of a place where I can find information on scratch installation of a telnet server? |
| 15:39:14 | vorteX | anyone from CRL here ? |
| 16:06:18 | mutex-work | so what are the advantages of familiar over say.. pocketlinux ? |
| 16:09:18 | Nermal | it hasn't got "pocket" in the name ? |
| 16:10:02 | mutex-work | wow that's a good one! i'm sold! ;-) |
| 16:17:16 | mutex-work | *sigh* |
| 16:17:17 | nikos | is back |
| 16:17:57 | nikos | mutex-work: PocketLinux is just Kaffe on top of Familiar. |
| 16:18:18 | nikos | mutex-work: In other words PocketLinux is not different from Familiar, its an addon. |
| 16:18:45 | mutex-work | well i knew about kaffee but i thought maybe they had a different kernel |
| 16:18:58 | mutex-work | i have to admit though... a UI that communicates with XML is pretty nice |
| 16:34:58 | sjohnson | is back |
| 16:51:34 | mallum | metex-work: why ? |
| 16:55:27 | mutex-work | mallum: XML is pretty easy to communicate with, in my opinion |
| 16:56:39 | mallum | mutex-work: so is ascii ;) |
| 16:57:26 | mutex-work | mallum: but you can orgranize things that are very complicated much easier with XML |
| 16:59:24 | mallum | mutex-work: true |
| 17:00:19 | mutex-work | i'm looking into getting an iPAQ so i'm just checking out my options first |
| 17:01:09 | mallum | I think pocketlinux is very slow - but I havn;t tried it myself |
| 17:01:55 | Nermal | familiar is wizzy :) |
| 17:02:19 | mutex-work | heh, well it is java after all ;-) |
| 17:02:35 | Nermal | are there any areas of the familiar project that could use some help? I wouldn't mind getting involved in the project, but unfortunatly, can't program much :| |
| 17:03:02 | nikos | Nermal: Working on organizing the wiki and documentation would be extremely helpful. |
| 17:03:21 | Nermal | oooh |
| 17:03:32 | Nermal | can do documentation 8 ) |
| 17:06:10 | Nermal | btw.. what does "wiki" stand for or mean ? |
| 17:06:20 | a7r | hola.. |
| 17:06:56 | sjohnson | Nermal did you get your ppp working? |
| 17:07:17 | nikos | Morning a7r |
| 17:07:28 | Nermal | sjohnson: yah :) |
| 17:07:34 | Nermal | it just started working for some reason |
| 17:07:38 | a7r | heya nikos. |
| 17:07:52 | Nermal | I need to set up ip masquerading on the host some time too :| |
| 17:08:10 | Nermal | hmm |
| 17:08:15 | sjohnson | Nermal: Good. I just got ppp working on familiar with intimateboot ipkg installed. |
| 17:08:23 | Nermal | I have no /proc/scale "file" so I can;t change the cpu speed |
| 17:08:35 | Nermal | whats the best way to create this file ? |
| 17:08:43 | sjohnson | modprobe scale |
| 17:09:40 | Nermal | "can' t locate module scale" :( |
| 17:10:38 | sjohnson | Nermal: Hmmm. Not not good. and a7r just came online... |
| 17:10:58 | Nermal | bugger |
| 17:11:06 | Nermal | and yay for a7r |
| 17:11:08 | a7r | Nermal: look in /lib/modules |
| 17:11:20 | Nermal | which dir |
| 17:11:25 | Nermal | there are loads |
| 17:11:34 | a7r | it should be called cpu-scale IIRC |
| 17:11:35 | dneuer | a7r: I was talking to cworth today about sending a patch for ipkg-make-familiar which got the eraseblock size from somewhere, rather than hardcoding it (to support mono iPAQs). |
| 17:11:35 | dneuer | <dneuer> a7r: I asked him if he wanted the value passed in as an arg or read from the env, he said ask you. So, which'll it be? :-) |
| 17:11:40 | a7r | in lib modules? there should be one. |
| 17:11:51 | sjohnson | Nermal: It's called cpu-scale |
| 17:11:55 | sjohnson | My bad. |
| 17:12:04 | Nermal | ah |
| 17:12:23 | Nermal | went in fine :) |
| 17:12:45 | a7r | dneuer: I'd be good w/ an env variable, that overrides the default of 256k. |
| 17:12:46 | mallum | hi a7r |
| 17:13:00 | mallum | a7r: tried out xkbd yet ? |
| 17:13:30 | a7r | I'm going to be releasing 2 install images, one for H3600, and one for the 3100. |
| 17:13:32 | dneuer | a7r: cool. I'll do it that way and send the patch to cworth |
| 17:13:47 | a7r | mallum: not yet.. I'm gonna free up some time, and play with it later. |
| 17:13:53 | nikos | a7r: I thought 128K would work for both. |
| 17:13:57 | Nermal | yay |
| 17:13:58 | mallum | a7r: cool |
| 17:14:00 | Nermal | works now :) |
| 17:14:05 | Nermal | 206 mhz is the default yah ? |
| 17:14:07 | a7r | nikos: it delivers errors when loading on the H3600. |
| 17:14:12 | nikos | a7r: Ah, OK. |
| 17:14:20 | a7r | it works, but it's sloppy. |
| 17:14:27 | nikos | Sure |
| 17:14:29 | sjohnson | Nermal: Yes. |
| 17:14:32 | dneuer | nikos: dwmw2 says that data shouldn't span eraseblocks, or something to that effect |
| 17:14:38 | a7r | BTW, if anyone can get me a Yopy? I'd appreciate it. |
| 17:15:14 | dneuer | while we're on the subject of getting people things, I'd like a color iPAQ, and a dual PC Card expansion sleeve ;-) |
| 17:15:22 | sjohnson | Nermal: You can use the Familar/Configuration/CPU speed to change clock speeds. |
| 17:15:31 | dneuer | is unfortunately not tax deductible |
| 17:15:54 | Nermal | sjohnson: ook :) |
| 17:16:25 | a7r | Woah, rock. |
| 17:16:30 | a7r | did you see this, guys? |
| 17:16:40 | a7r | ``The Familiar distribution and the iPAQ is the most promising configuration for StrongARM-based platforms.'' |
| 17:16:46 | nikos | Where? |
| 17:17:06 | a7r | http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2001/06/15/yopy_review.html |
| 17:17:06 | Nermal | :O |
| 17:17:12 | Nermal | yay :D |
| 17:17:17 | nikos | a7r: Very cool. |
| 17:22:32 | ellen | hi! is there any kind of package update for sleep/resume for Familiar .4? |
| 17:22:56 | a7r | ellen: besides apm, it's pretty much built in as a kernel operation. |
| 17:23:34 | ellen | if i'm current on the "stable" feed, do i have apm? |
| 17:24:43 | Nermal | why does the ipaq use 22 times more power in deep sleep mode with linux on it compared to it with win CE ? |
| 17:25:27 | nikos | Nermal: Where do you get those numbers from? |
| 17:25:56 | Nermal | someone said it a while ago in #handhelds.org |
| 17:26:00 | Nermal | quoting from somewhere |
| 17:26:05 | Nermal | also.. "halt" won;t work on my ipaq :( |
| 17:26:20 | nikos | We don't do "suspend to disk" |
| 17:26:24 | nikos | Where's your disk? |
| 17:26:53 | a7r | Nermal: that was Deb.. not sure what the deal is yet. |
| 17:27:04 | a7r | ellen: Yeah, v0.4 out of the box supports about as much as its going to. |
| 17:27:34 | Nermal | hmmm |
| 17:27:37 | Nermal | nikos ? |
| 17:27:43 | nikos | What? |
| 17:28:20 | ellen | a7r: i thought i saw in the archives that some of the sleep/resume functionality had been improved. is this so, or still being worked? |
| 17:28:38 | nikos | a7r: I'm not sure what you mean. But I think there is still some work to do to decrease power usage somewhat during sleep. |
| 17:29:00 | nikos | ellen: I don't remember that. Work is generally being done in other areas right now. |
| 17:29:34 | nikos | We got to a point with sleep/resume where it is "good enough" and I think people are interested in getting other issues worked out before work continues on it. |
| 17:30:09 | a7r | ellen: It's been improved, and the latest was included in v0.4. |
| 17:30:21 | a7r | beyond that, I haven't seen any new work. |
| 17:30:41 | ellen | a7r: ok.. then i must not have gotten it with an upgrade... it still seems short-lived to me. |
| 17:31:21 | a7r | ellen: are you putting it in suspend when not using it? |
| 17:31:30 | a7r | it's way worse than WinCE at this point.. but patches are accepted. |
| 17:31:40 | ellen | a7r: no ... i thought it did so automatically... |
| 17:31:41 | nikos | ellen: I think there is still a little non-determinism. I've had mine sleep quietly for over a week. On other occasions it has lost battery power in less than 72 hours. |
| 17:31:54 | nikos | ellen: That's not sleep. |
| 17:32:00 | nikos | ellen: That's just the LCD turning off. |
| 17:32:10 | nikos | ellen: Familiar has not support for automatic sleep. |
| 17:32:14 | nikos | s/not/no/ |
| 17:32:16 | ellen | nikos: novice here... what should i type in? |
| 17:32:30 | nikos | ellen: Just hit the power button. It toggles. |
| 17:33:15 | ellen | nikos: that explains why i have to hit the button twice to wake it up |
| 17:33:52 | ellen | nikos: once up though, the LCD goes off rather quickly. Can I lengthen that time? |
| 17:34:16 | nikos | ellen: There is a conflict with the screensaver. When you wake it up, hit some "other" button to turn the LCD on. |
| 17:35:01 | ellen | nikos: that's definitely better ... can i adjust the screensaver timeout? |
| 17:35:58 | nikos | ellen: If you are running Blackbox it's in the root menu somewhere. |
| 17:36:14 | ellen | nikos: i am thanks ... i'll hunt it down |
| 17:38:25 | ellen | nikos: got it! thanks! :-) |
| 18:09:58 | sjohnson | Is it worth it to try to use any of the packages in Familiar 0.4 unstable feed? |
| 18:16:49 | boodle | nikos: Scream checked in :) Thanks again for your help!! |
| 18:20:06 | nikos | boodle: Excellent. You are quite welcome. |
| 18:36:58 | dneuer | is back (gone 04:06:13) |
| 18:37:03 | dneuer | is away: gotta get a cup of coffee |
| 18:39:01 | dneuer | is back (gone 00:01:59) |
| 18:40:47 | mallum | boodle: whats scream ? |
| 18:43:41 | nikos | mallum: mp3 and streaming GUI app. |
| 18:43:48 | nikos | client I mean. |
| 18:44:03 | boodle | mallum: pypaq.mp3 renamed :) |
| 18:45:33 | mallum | boodle: does it play streams now ? |
| 18:45:41 | boodle | mallum: Icecast + Shoutcast |
| 18:45:48 | mallum | boodle: cool ! |
| 18:46:13 | mallum | boodle: I should be able to use mod_mp3 |
| 18:46:22 | mallum | boodle: how did you accomplish it ? |
| 18:47:18 | boodle | mallum: found an old shoutcast pgm called 'listen'.. have a look at the latest cvs checkin commnets. It points the way (just need listen.c) |
| 18:47:33 | boodle | mallum: takes an additional whopping 6k ;) |
| 18:48:04 | nikos | Before or after compression. ;) |
| 18:48:38 | mallum | does ce have a streaming client ? |
| 18:49:06 | sjohnson | Is scream packaged yet? |
| 18:49:39 | boodle | sjohnson: not yet.. will do it tonight I hope |
| 18:49:46 | boodle | nikos: stripped :) |
| 18:49:55 | nikos | ;) |
| 18:50:53 | boodle | I'm hoping to decipher realplay streams but that's a real pipedream me thinks |
| 18:51:12 | mallum | probably use 100% cpu |
| 18:52:06 | boodle | mallum: during initial prebuffering yes, after that, I get around 6-10% |
| 18:53:20 | mallum | k |
| 18:53:52 | mallum | boodle: where in cvs is scream ? |
| 18:54:41 | boodle | mallum: http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/scream/ |
| 18:55:26 | boodle | mallum: listen actually uses madplay (courtesy of scream).. the stream's grepped by listen and piped into madplay |
| 18:56:17 | mallum | yes |
| 19:04:24 | cworth | re |
| 19:05:07 | nikos | Hey cworth |
| 19:05:17 | cworth | hi nikos |
| 19:05:30 | mallum | hi cworth |
| 19:08:09 | cworth | greetings mallum |
| 19:08:16 | jg | hi all |
| 19:08:46 | mallum | hi jg |
| 19:08:59 | mallum | met up with Tangent today, he has cool hack on the usb cable |
| 19:09:20 | cworth | hi jg |
| 19:09:22 | mallum | so it charges the ipaq too |
| 19:09:54 | mallum | from the usb cable |
| 19:10:12 | jg | mallum: I saw a company on the web that sells such a cable... |
| 19:10:13 | Tangent | http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/Cable2.jpg |
| 19:10:40 | mallum | jg, nikos: have either of you tried xkbd yet ? |
| 19:10:40 | Tangent | The before pic is Cable1.jpg |
| 19:11:00 | mallum | jg: do you have a url ? |
| 19:11:15 | mallum | is maybe a little scared of soldering |
| 19:11:16 | nikos | mallum: I'm afraid I haven't touched my ipaq in a while, probably won't for a while yet. Sorry. |
| 19:11:16 | mutex-work | does the familiar kernel support USB connections ? |
| 19:11:23 | mallum | nikos: np |
| 19:11:26 | nikos | mutex-work: Yes, including USB network. |
| 19:11:32 | jg | mallum: Nope. Saw it last Friday or so in my mail somewhere... |
| 19:11:39 | nikos | mutex-work: But the ipaq USB is not a master, no USB hardware in other words. |
| 19:11:48 | mutex-work | nikos: oooooh neato, what about 802.11b cards ? |
| 19:11:48 | mallum | jg: its in unstable feed |
| 19:11:53 | nikos | mutex-work: Yes. |
| 19:12:10 | mutex-work | so then why does one have to use the serial cable to install familiar ? |
| 19:12:25 | jg | mutex-work: bootldr doesn't do the right thing. |
| 19:12:49 | nikos | mutex-work: Because you have to communiate with the bootloader, which only knows serial. The bootloader != Familiar/Linux. |
| 19:12:50 | mutex-work | is this an iPAQ limitation? or a linux limitation ? |
| 19:13:12 | nikos | mutex-work: Just a bootloader limitation. This is only necessary during initial install. Not during operation. |
| 19:13:21 | jg | mutex-work: the bootloader we use doesn't know how to do the right thing with theUSB port. |
| 19:13:26 | mutex-work | yeah, still is a pain to buy a cable for one use ;-) |
| 19:13:47 | jg | mutex-work: sorry. We'll fix someday, but there have been more imporant fish to fry. |
| 19:13:55 | mutex-work | jg: i agree |
| 19:14:04 | nikos | mutex-work: I wouldn't say that. For a long time yet Linux will continue to use the Serial as console. Serial is very useful. |
| 19:15:00 | mutex-work | what kind of PIM software does familiar use ? |
| 19:15:27 | nikos | mutex-work: Familiar is a distribution. You can install any software you like. It is not a "fixed" installation. |
| 19:16:44 | mutex-work | well what is the PIM software that is usually used ? |
| 19:17:02 | Pule | Where's the latest install doc/bleeding edge release? I'm going to wipe an ipaq here and begin anew |
| 19:17:08 | nikos | mutex-work: There really isn't anything complete. |
| 19:17:16 | | latest familiar is probably at ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/latest or at http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/latest |
| 19:17:16 | nikos | ibot: latest familiar |
| 19:17:25 | mutex-work | yeah i'm crusin it right now |
| 19:17:44 | mallum | Tangent: all I need to do to make that usb hack work is solder that little green cable on ( from pic ) |
| 19:18:07 | | Pule: what? |
| 19:18:07 | Pule | ibot: unstable |
| 19:18:30 | | it has been said that unstable feed is at http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/ |
| 19:18:30 | nikos | ibot: unstable feed |
| 19:18:42 | Pule | nikos: He likes you ;) |
| 19:18:53 | nikos | Pule: I just know all the right moves. ;) |
| 19:19:08 | Pule | heh |
| 19:19:15 | mutex-work | nikos: can you use the terminal with handwriting recognition ? i.e. without keyboard |
| 19:19:50 | nikos | mutex-work: Terminal? What do you mean by terminal? |
| 19:20:46 | nikos | mutex-work: There are a couple of X-based gesture recognition apps in familiar. xstroke and fscrib. |
| 19:21:23 | mutex-work | well i see screenshots of an xterm, can you use an xterm without the software keyboard ? |
| 19:21:25 | mallum | mutex-work: yes |
| 19:21:25 | mutex-work | hmmm |
| 19:21:25 | mutex-work | learns more |
| 19:21:25 | | xstroke is at ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/projects/xstroke/release-0.2 |
| 19:21:25 | mutex-work | ibot xstroke |
| 19:21:26 | | xstroke is at ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/projects/xstroke/release-0.2 |
| 19:21:26 | mutex-work | ibot: xstroke |
| 19:21:47 | cworth | should be -0.3 I think... |
| 19:22:17 | | mutex-work: sorry... |
| 19:22:17 | mutex-work | ibot: fscrib |
| 19:22:22 | mutex-work | whoops |
| 19:23:45 | | BZFlag: I forgot xstroke |
| 19:23:45 | BZFlag | ibot forget xstroke |
| 19:24:07 | | OK, BZFlag. |
| 19:24:07 | BZFlag | ibot: xstroke is ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/projects/xstroke/ |
| 19:24:31 | boodle | is away: java, no!...NET, no way!... coffee! |
| 19:38:26 | Tangent | mallum : Yep.. just that little green wire between pins 1&2 and the red usb wire |
| 19:40:08 | mutex-work | Tangent: so that shows how to hook up USB & serial in one cable ? |
| 19:40:45 | Tangent | mutex-work : I haven't done that cable yet.. the pinouts are at the bottom of http://ipaq.secret.org.uk |
| 19:42:02 | mutex-work | i've been reading it, but i don't quite understand it |
| 19:42:57 | mutex-work | if you could do USB+Serial+powersuck that would be really cool |
| 19:43:05 | Tangent | mutex-work : I had the serial cable... so I added the usb cable on the right pins |
| 19:43:17 | Tangent | mutex-work : It's on my list of plans... |
| 19:43:20 | mutex-work | werd |
| 19:43:27 | mallum | Tangent: so it actually connects 3 pins ? |
| 19:43:28 | bworth | aren't the instructions on http://ipaq.secret.org.uk to add USB to a serial cradle? I need instructions to add serial to a USB cradle. |
| 19:43:34 | Tangent | mutex-work : but I think that my stowaway keyboard is going to get a USB connection first |
| 19:43:50 | | nikos: i'm not following you... |
| 19:43:50 | nikos | ibot: serial cable |
| 19:43:52 | | nikos: sorry... |
| 19:43:52 | nikos | ibot: serial cradle |
| 19:44:06 | | Since Thu Jun 14 19:17:30 2001, there have been 154 modifications and 122 questions. I have been awake for 5 days, 1 hour, 26 minutes, 36 seconds this session, and currently reference 2447 factoids. Addressing is in require mode. |
| 19:44:06 | Nermal | ibot stats |
| 19:44:10 | Nermal | ooh |
| 19:44:13 | | ipaq serial is at http://handhelds.org/minihowto/h3600-serial-cable.html |
| 19:44:13 | nikos | ibot: ipaq serial |
| 19:44:20 | nikos | bworth: See that URL. |
| 19:44:29 | bworth | nikos: thanks |
| 19:52:41 | | OK, nikos. |
| 19:52:41 | nikos | ibot: usb master is <reply> See http://www.handhelds.org/pipermail/ipaq/2001-June/007453.html |
| 19:52:46 | | See http://www.handhelds.org/pipermail/ipaq/2001-June/007453.html |
| 19:52:46 | nikos | ibot: usb master |
| 19:57:28 | Tangent | Hehe.. cool.. I recognise that :) |
| 19:58:03 | nikos | :) |
| 19:58:19 | nikos | I wish I could get ibot to output it nicely. Oh well. |
| 20:35:25 | BZFlag | we need a usb non-master wiki page and a unbrick your ipaq wiki page. do those exist? |
| 20:37:09 | | See http://www.handhelds.org/pipermail/ipaq/2001-June/007453.html |
| 20:37:09 | nikos | ibot: usb master |
| 20:37:12 | | valhalla is, like, Compaq Computer Corporation, Cambridge Research Lab, iPAQ Valhalla, One Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142 |
| 20:37:12 | nikos | ibot: valhalla |
| 20:37:20 | nikos | What else ya need? ;) |
| 20:37:38 | | nikos: i'm not following you... |
| 20:37:38 | nikos | ibot: brick |
| 20:37:44 | | nikos: excuse me? |
| 20:37:44 | nikos | ibot: ipaq brick |
| 20:37:48 | nikos | ibot: search for brick |
| 20:38:15 | | OK, nikos. |
| 20:38:15 | nikos | ibot: brick is <reply>Send email to bootldr@handhelds.org with details if you believe that you have bricked your ipaq. |
| 20:45:58 | izn0g | 'lo |
| 20:46:05 | Nermal | lo |
| 20:46:13 | izn0g | hi nermal |
| 20:46:18 | izn0g | i'm a new familiar user |
| 20:46:39 | izn0g | I installed the distro, set up X, ssh, ppp, networking |
| 20:46:47 | izn0g | remote display, etc. |
| 20:46:58 | nikos | Congratulations izn0g |
| 20:47:06 | izn0g | and I'd like to try and compile home mad software to the arm architecture |
| 20:47:10 | Nermal | is too :) |
| 20:47:12 | geers | izn0g:isnt familiar great right |
| 20:47:17 | izn0g | thx nikos. the doc is really woderful |
| 20:47:21 | izn0g | it works just fine ! |
| 20:47:26 | nikos | Cool. |
| 20:47:33 | Nermal | yah.. the docs are great |
| 20:47:39 | izn0g | I tried the skiff cluster at handhelds.org, but, he, well |
| 20:47:54 | izn0g | the rcp and ftp commands are not working :-\ |
| 20:47:58 | nikos | izn0g: The skiffcluster is under heavy rebuidling right now. |
| 20:48:03 | izn0g | ok :) |
| 20:48:04 | geers | izn0g: intimate.handhelds.org ? |
| 20:48:08 | izn0g | thx for the tip |
| 20:48:19 | izn0g | geers: intimate, well, I'd need a microdrive |
| 20:48:24 | nikos | izn0g: You can ftp into tigershark as guest with a blank password, no passive mode. |
| 20:48:25 | Nermal | : |
| 20:48:29 | izn0g | it seems big :) |
| 20:48:35 | nikos | izn0g: And the /home2/guest directory is shared across all. |
| 20:48:35 | geers | izn0g: or nfs-mount |
| 20:48:42 | izn0g | nikos: I try this one |
| 20:48:46 | Nermal | I think intimate has gcc and things on it too |
| 20:48:59 | Nermal | making it bigger |
| 20:49:12 | izn0g | intimate is accessible as a builder too ? |
| 20:49:17 | nikos | izn0g: If you plan to use it for very long, send email to france@handhelds.org and gitars@handhelds.org to request an account. Then you can use ssh/scp and have your own directory. |
| 20:49:18 | geers | intimate is a debian dist on arm |
| 20:50:12 | geers | nikos: cool |
| 20:50:45 | izn0g | nikos: france@handhelds.org is a french speaking person ? |
| 20:50:58 | nikos | izn0g: No, he's from Australia actually. George France. ;) |
| 20:51:12 | izn0g | ok :) |
| 20:51:19 | izn0g | I was just wondering :) |
| 20:51:24 | nikos | Sure. |
| 20:52:11 | izn0g | well, (guest,"") is not welcome on tigershark |
| 20:52:13 | nikos | izn0g: BBrox is on vacation but look for him, he uses the same Internet service you do I believe. |
| 20:52:28 | nikos | my mistake, try skiffcluster1 |
| 20:52:34 | izn0g | nikos: I'll keep an eye on him :) |
| 20:53:00 | nikos | izn0g: guest/<cr> works fine for me on skiffcluster1. Can't use passive mode though. |
| 20:53:07 | izn0g | ok, I've got to get rid of passive mode :) |
| 20:53:21 | nikos | izn0g: Also, please use the /home2/guest directory as /home is getting very full. |
| 20:53:29 | izn0g | nikos: ok ! |
| 20:55:55 | izn0g | I guess my firewall config must be paranoid |
| 20:56:08 | izn0g | with non passive mode , it won't work :-\ |
| 20:56:14 | izn0g | I'm kind of stuck there :) |
| 20:56:31 | nikos | izn0g: What exactly do you need to do? |
| 20:56:55 | nikos | izn0g: Transfer from the skiffcluster or to it? |
| 20:57:01 | izn0g | both :) |
| 20:57:21 | nikos | Let's take one at a time. ;) |
| 20:57:24 | nikos | Which first? |
| 20:57:27 | izn0g | on a machine not behind a firewall, it works ok |
| 20:57:44 | izn0g | well, I'll use this one as a base station :p |
| 20:57:46 | nikos | Do you have an FTP server somewhere? |
| 20:58:19 | izn0g | nikos: my admins are kind of paranoid about letting plain text password run through the network :) |
| 20:58:35 | izn0g | I'll use the machine in the dmz to do the transfers. it's ok :) |
| 20:58:35 | nikos | izn0g: Have you tried ssh/scp from the skiffcluster? |
| 20:59:11 | izn0g | guest@skiffcluster1.handhelds.org's password: |
| 20:59:11 | izn0g | Permission denied, please try again. |
| 20:59:17 | izn0g | I need an account. |
| 20:59:27 | izn0g | I'l try to ask france@hh.o an accout |
| 20:59:51 | nikos | izn0g: What I mean is telnet to the skfifcluster, then use ssh/scp on the skiffcluster back into your network. |
| 21:00:06 | nikos | izn0g: ssh/scp doesn't send cleartext passwords. |
| 21:00:17 | boodle | is back (gone 01:35:46) |
| 21:00:26 | izn0g | yeah. the password is unencrypted from my host to hh.o first, and encrypted then |
| 21:00:37 | nikos | izn0g: OK, that's true. |
| 21:00:45 | nikos | izn0g: Good point. |
| 21:00:59 | nikos | izn0g: Can't setup a temporary account? ;) |
| 21:01:08 | izn0g | nikos: yeah |
| 21:01:13 | nikos | izn0g: One that you then delete and don't care if the password gets out. |
| 21:02:06 | izn0g | of course, in the end, the administration stuff is not delegated to hh ppl, it's much nicer I guess ! |
| 21:04:54 | izn0g | well, it works fine ! |
| 21:05:14 | izn0g | one ftp, two rsyncs over ssh, and my first printf("") |
| 21:05:22 | izn0g | I'm ready to rebuild perl-tk ;-) |
| 21:05:43 | izn0g | well ... almost ready ! |
| 21:07:59 | izn0g | nikos: thanks alot for your tips ! |
| 21:08:39 | nikos | izn0g: You're welcome. |
| 21:16:17 | izn0g | nikos: have you ever used the toolchain to do cross compilation ? |
| 21:16:28 | izn0g | the docs say it's much like banging one's head against a wall |
| 21:17:04 | sjohnson | izn0g: Yes that is true. ;> |
| 21:17:12 | izn0g | gasp |
| 21:17:47 | izn0g | I guess I'll have to wait a little and read the mailing list before asking further questions |
| 21:18:03 | nikos | izn0g: I used it only enough for testing of the docs. |
| 21:18:19 | nikos | izn0g: But a lot of work is done from cross toolchains. |
| 21:18:20 | izn0g | ok |
| 21:18:40 | nikos | izn0g: The problem is with software that was not setup with cross compilation in mind that it can get troublesome. |
| 21:19:12 | sjohnson | izn0g: It's not really that bad. The tough part is getting the too chain setup. |
| 21:19:54 | sjohnson | pppd is such a software package. (not cross-dev friendly) |
| 21:20:34 | izn0g | I guess perl must be one of those :) |
| 21:21:11 | sjohnson | is away: Quitting time. Headed home |
| 21:29:11 | izn0g | huh, my bed is winking at me ... |
| 21:46:20 | izn0g | well, easyier [Q] |
| 21:46:37 | izn0g | it's hard to find a good tutorial about fscrib |
| 21:46:49 | izn0g | I've found some info about xscribble |
| 21:46:57 | izn0g | and the strokes.png file |
| 21:47:35 | izn0g | but for all the special commands ( escape, even punctuation), i's hard to find how to do it |
| 21:47:43 | izn0g | anyone has some info ? |
| 22:30:20 | nikos | Heya |
| 22:30:29 | a8r | hey.. |
| 22:34:46 | izn0g | re nikos ! |
| 22:35:07 | nikos | Hi |
| 22:35:45 | nikos | a8r: izn0g is one of the success stories. We didn't even here from him until everthing was working. What a change! LOL |
| 22:35:51 | nikos | s/here/hear/ |
| 22:36:02 | a8r | nikos: hah, rad. |
| 22:36:10 | izn0g | nikos: well, I had installed hhv0.20 first, a while ago |
| 22:36:16 | a8r | izn0g: welcome aboard. |
| 22:36:19 | nikos | izn0g: Ah so no newbie. ;) |
| 22:36:24 | izn0g | and I'm pretty confident in my linux skills |
| 22:36:35 | nikos | izn0g: Indeed, I've gotten that impression. Definitely welcome. |
| 22:36:54 | izn0g | well, dunno if I will prove to be useful in the near future |
| 22:37:04 | izn0g | I've got many things to learn :) |
| 22:37:26 | izn0g | but i'll lurk around and give my impression as often as possible |
| 22:38:17 | izn0g | i've found a big archive of the ipaq@hh.o mailing list. it is very interesting ! |
| 22:43:39 | nikos | izn0g: The archives are all on handhelds.org for all the lists. |
| 22:43:39 | nikos | izn0g: And they can be searched with the search interface there. |
| 22:43:57 | izn0g | yes |
| 22:45:12 | izn0g | nikos: have you ever tried to use the carleton rpm's ? |
| 22:45:17 | izn0g | those are arm rpms |
| 22:45:28 | izn0g | and familiar honores the ipkg format |
| 22:45:37 | nikos | izn0g: Only on the old skiffclusters. |
| 22:45:43 | izn0g | ok |
| 22:45:49 | nikos | ipkg is very similiar to debs, so debs are quite usable. |
| 22:46:02 | nikos | See Debian ARM, many of the ipkgs are converted debs from there. |
| 22:46:04 | izn0g | it is part of the debian -> redhat -> debian cluster migration ? :) |
| 22:47:01 | izn0g | so, the idea is to extract an arm-friendly debian source and build it on a cluster |
| 22:47:36 | nikos | Not necessarily. You can use the compiled contents of the ARM deb as is. |
| 22:47:46 | nikos | That's non-optimal perhaps, but certainly useable. |
| 22:48:35 | izn0g | i'll "try to try that" :) |
| 22:48:45 | nikos | :) |
| 23:58:41 | a7r | hey,.. |
