| 00:55:31 | bworth | hi |
| 00:55:51 | | cworth was last seen on #handhelds.org 5 hours, 7 minutes and 29 seconds ago, saying: later all. [Thu Jun 21 20:48:22 2001] |
| 00:55:51 | bworth | ibot: seen cworth |
| 02:37:36 | a7r | re.. |
| 04:31:22 | keithp | has finally updated to 0.4 to try to get his 802.11 card running, but the 0.4 wvlan_cs driver doesn't like his D-Link card. It's a prism card, any ideas what driver to try? |
| 04:32:01 | a7r | keithp: there's a seperate prism-cs module.. |
| 04:32:32 | keithp | tnx; is it in a fine package? |
| 04:33:03 | a7r | keithp: nod, just do a list. I forget the exact name, but it's obvious. |
| 04:38:52 | Lone | Is there an airo_cs module in the works? |
| 04:39:37 | keithp | a7r: I must be blind; I can't find anything obvious, and even non-obvious things don't seem to have a prism_cs driver... |
| 04:44:16 | a7r | keithp: my bad,.. you're going to need to install from the unstable feed in order to get it to work. |
| 04:44:52 | keithp | tnx; no problem there. Unstable is my middle name. (or is that 'sid'?) |
| 07:26:16 | | a7r was last seen on #handhelds.org 32 minutes and 35 seconds ago, saying: holy bouncing RFC822, bat-man. [Fri Jun 22 07:53:41 2001] |
| 07:26:16 | mallum | ibot: seen a7r |
| 07:26:31 | mallum | a7r: you around ? |
| 12:32:38 | mallum | hi nikos |
| 12:32:43 | nikos | Hey mallum |
| 12:32:59 | nikos | mallum: How's your ipkg frontend going? |
| 12:33:18 | mallum | nikos: havn't done any work on it since 0.1 release |
| 12:33:29 | nikos | mallum: Was it ever put into the feeds? |
| 12:33:39 | mallum | nikos: will hopefully add conf file/screen support to it soon |
| 12:33:45 | nikos | mallum: Cool. |
| 12:33:49 | mallum | nikos: yes its in unstable feed |
| 12:34:12 | mallum | nikos: do you what the deal is with xstroke & xkbd not being part of 0.5 |
| 12:34:27 | mallum | should maybe hassle a7r later ......... |
| 12:34:34 | nikos | mallum: Huh? a7r said the opposite in his email. |
| 12:34:50 | cworth | mallum: huh? |
| 12:34:54 | nikos | mallum: What are you referring to? |
| 12:35:15 | nikos | Morning cworth |
| 12:35:26 | cworth | hi nikos |
| 12:35:34 | mallum | nikos: soory I read the mail wrong - I think ........ |
| 12:35:40 | mallum | The 2 that we most care about were/are xvkbd, and fscrib. Thanks to |
| 12:35:41 | mallum | mallum and cworth, we've covered both. I don't plan on including |
| 12:35:41 | mallum | them in the v0.5 task-familiar-complete images, but they'll still |
| 12:35:41 | mallum | be in the available packages, if anyone needs them. |
| 12:36:00 | mallum | cant read |
| 12:36:03 | nikos | I had a conversation last night with a couple of guys who wanted to insist complete images was the way to go and package handling was to complex of a task. I wanted to point them at mallum and morph's ipkg frontends. |
| 12:36:19 | nikos | 'them' == xvkbd and fscrib |
| 12:36:29 | nikos | Confusing formulation. |
| 12:36:40 | mallum | nikos: yes ;) - sorry , morph has ipkg front end too ? |
| 12:36:46 | mallum | hi cworth |
| 12:36:52 | nikos | mallum: I think so. I could be confused. |
| 12:37:05 | cworth | greetings mallum |
| 12:37:29 | cworth | nikos: flat images... <ugh> |
| 12:37:33 | nikos | It would be nice to hear from a7r and Morph actually. ;) |
| 12:37:38 | mallum | I was speaking to some guy last night ( at a Perl - shudder - meet ) who'd just installed familiar and he wasn't aware of alot of stuff |
| 12:38:06 | nikos | cworth: Indeed, my sintimates (sp?) exactly. ;) |
| 12:38:33 | mallum | Like pikpak, usb networking, why there was no Perl irpk ( ;) ) |
| 12:38:33 | nikos | ibot: ispell sintimates |
| 12:38:50 | nikos | Damn, that's bugging me... |
| 12:39:32 | nikos | mallum: Yeah, it would be nice if someone had the time to do a more straightforward overview/news website or something. |
| 12:39:39 | cworth | nikos: nod. (`sentiments' I believe) |
| 12:39:46 | nikos | aha, thanks cworth |
| 12:39:47 | mallum | nikos: yes definetly |
| 12:41:17 | nikos | slowcoder is interested in doing some work, maybe he would be a good candidate to put together such a site. He's in Norway I think. |
| 12:42:00 | cworth | I think a good GUI package frontend obviously available after boot, (and a more complete set of packages) would go a long way. |
| 12:42:06 | mallum | nikos, cworth: also is a7r the only person that can put packages into the fam repository ? |
| 12:42:22 | nikos | cworth: True. Easy network is also necessary, and a complicated issue. |
| 12:42:32 | nikos | Good question. |
| 12:42:41 | nikos | I've been meaning to talk to a7r about that. |
| 12:42:52 | nikos | I can technically do it. But I don't want to overstep... |
| 12:42:55 | cworth | also, a good package frontend *really* must regard the "Section" field to make things easier for the user, (ie. don't display libfltk1 in the same list as mingle) |
| 12:43:02 | nikos | I'm not sure of the "policy". |
| 12:43:30 | mallum | I only ask because the xkbd package in unstable is 2 versions behind ! |
| 12:43:55 | nikos | mallum: Best I can suggest right now is to bug a7r regularly. |
| 12:43:57 | cworth | right now it's all through a7r. |
| 12:44:14 | mallum | Also I have access to the intimate repository, so when I run my pacakge build script, it automatically uploads the .deb there |
| 12:44:24 | cworth | nikos: right. a7r wants to put a tiny python in bootstrap so we can use sysset and such to configure networking. |
| 12:45:00 | nikos | cworth: My worry is more the other end, the endpoints of USB and PPP, the more common options. |
| 12:45:17 | cworth | ugh... I really wish that Familiar/Intimate were more tightly coupled. :( |
| 12:45:25 | nikos | cworth: Indeed. |
| 12:45:27 | mallum | cworth: nod |
| 12:46:39 | cworth | anyway, I'd better pack up my office now, (moving buildings next week) |
| 12:46:50 | gazer | cworth: is sysset still python + gtk based? won't that require putting all of X into bootstrap as well? |
| 12:46:51 | nikos | cworth: Cool |
| 12:47:08 | nikos | Eh, another good point. ;) |
| 12:47:20 | nikos | Of course, X is getting much smaller too. |
| 12:47:20 | mallum | needs to hassle debian Python packagers to sort out Python on debian |
| 12:48:37 | gazer | It would be nice not to have X as a requirement, allowing other UIs to sit on top. Size is still a premium. What about having a console-based sysset? |
| 12:49:17 | cworth | gazer: But maybe we'll just recommend everyone but the ``experts'' use a larger image with python, GTK, and X. |
| 12:49:30 | mallum | gazer: but how do we get input into the console , unless its over serial / usb ? |
| 12:49:58 | gazer | the initial installation needs to be done over serial anyway, right? We can do some post config there as well, can't we? |
| 12:50:21 | cworth | depends on what your goals are. Familiar's goals revolve around an X-based distribution. The tiny bootstrap will still always be provided, (but Familiar may not provide the easiest configuration tools there_ |
| 12:50:52 | gazer | cworth: right. But it would be nice to have an experts image. |
| 12:51:24 | cworth | gazer: I think that's what we have already. ;) |
| 12:52:12 | gazer | cworth: right, but putting X and python into the base might start moving away from that ... :) |
| 12:52:41 | gazer | (rather, putting python + pygtk) |
| 12:53:21 | cworth | no worries. A tiny task-bootstrap will still be available. Plus, it is *very* easy for people to make their own images. (Just point at the repository and run `ipkg isntall task-bootstrap` in offline_root mode). |
| 12:54:30 | izn0g_ | in unstable, dillo shoud depend on the libjpeg62 package |
| 12:54:41 | izn0g_ | is there a place to do bugreporting ? |
| 12:55:02 | izn0g_ | and libpng2 too |
| 12:55:10 | gazer | I think familiar has the ability to place itself as the default installation of linux for handhelds. My concern is that the base install is going to be too full to allow that to happen ... |
| 12:55:35 | izn0g_ | yeah |
| 12:55:56 | nikos | izn0g_: See the GNATS database on the familiar website |
| 12:56:13 | izn0g_ | ok nikos, thx ! |
| 13:20:33 | bmidgley | gazer: familiar is a devel platform not an app platform -- when will it be useful? |
| 13:35:31 | dneuer | is away: gotta meeting |
| 13:38:46 | jg__ | Or remove X after initial install... |
| 13:40:05 | jg__ | izn0g_: familiar has a bug reporting system: go to the familiar.handhelds.org. |
| 13:41:07 | mallum | jg__: checked out xkbd yet ? |
| 13:41:32 | jg__ | mallum: Nope |
| 13:41:39 | jg__ | mallum: should I? |
| 13:42:03 | mallum | jg__: yes ! but probably best to wait until a7r puts 0.2 in the unstable feed |
| 13:42:21 | mallum | jb__: its better than xvkbd and xlib only |
| 13:43:00 | jg__ | mallum: One step closer to nuking Xt, Xaw, Xmu.. |
| 13:43:30 | mallum | jg__: I think with new xstroke too, its now nuked ? |
| 13:43:43 | jg__ | I think so... |
| 13:43:55 | jg__ | 1.1 megabytes (uncompressed) back..... |
| 13:44:35 | mallum | jg__: wehayy, now we can get rid of Python and put Perl on instead ;) |
| 13:44:43 | mallum | jg__: (joke) |
| 13:46:07 | jg__ | mallum: Poor joke... |
| 13:46:20 | mallum | jg__: sorry...... |
| 13:46:53 | mallum | is nearing 0.1 release of Python Jabber library |
| 13:47:38 | nikos | Just curious, what triggered that nasty joke. ;) |
| 13:48:22 | dneuer | is back (gone 00:12:50) |
| 13:48:31 | mallum | nikos: not sure...... meeting with Perl people last night and having to defend Python all night |
| 13:49:03 | nikos | mallum: Ah. Yeah, I'm getting tired of such battles lately. Trying hard to just keep my mouth shut more often. ;) |
| 13:49:25 | dneuer | is away: gotta meeting |
| 13:49:32 | mallum | the more Python I do the more I like it |
| 13:49:43 | nikos | Same here. |
| 13:49:54 | jg__ | mallum: it is moot: a choice has been made. The Perl folks can do their own distribution if they don't like it... |
| 13:49:57 | nikos | Its no panacea, but it works better for me. |
| 13:50:36 | mallum | I still like Perl for some things though. But I dont like the way Perl dev is going. Its kind of turning into asome sort of wierd meta language |
| 13:51:22 | mallum | plus perl-gtk is oribble compared to python-gtk |
| 13:54:48 | mallum | nikos: do you have Python2 installed on your desktop ? |
| 13:54:56 | nikos | mallum: Yeah, never used 1.5.2 |
| 13:55:42 | mallum | nikso: do you have expat xml libs too ? ( test with import xml.parsers.expat ) |
| 13:56:04 | nikos | mallum: Nope. |
| 13:56:12 | nikos | mallum: I built from sources though. |
| 13:56:53 | mallum | nikos: yes so did I and it was missing, yet its suposed to be standard ( I finally installed the python2-xmlbase.deb ) |
| 13:57:01 | mallum | nikos: ipaq has it though |
| 13:57:51 | mallum | nikos: but the debian python2.deb is missing distutils ( which I thought was standard too ) |
| 14:54:56 | izn0g_ | re |
| 14:54:59 | bdkearns | cool. the latest unstable feed x pkg seems to have consistent dpi ... |
| 14:55:01 | izn0g_ | well. I guess it's a faq |
| 14:55:05 | izn0g_ | but I lost my mouse :) |
| 14:55:20 | izn0g_ | I mean, my pointer on the screen. he doesn't respond to my stylus pressures. |
| 14:55:34 | izn0g_ | both under Xfbdev Xipaq ( familiar unstable ) |
| 14:55:42 | izn0g_ | s/v X/v and X/ |
| 14:55:48 | izn0g_ | any1 ? |
| 14:56:50 | nikos | izn0g_: No response whatsoever? |
| 14:56:51 | izn0g_ | power cycle and it's ok |
| 14:57:03 | izn0g_ | nikos: I guess it's a modifier problem once again. |
| 14:58:44 | dneuer | is back (gone 01:09:18) |
| 14:59:10 | nikos | izn0g_: That wouldn't effect movement of the mouse pointer. |
| 15:06:34 | izn0g_ | huh. |
| 15:06:52 | izn0g_ | when it happens again, I'll try to be more accurate in my diagnostic :)= |
| 15:14:19 | izn0g_ | great ! the unstable ssh server honors the .ssh/authorized_keys scheme |
| 15:33:40 | izn0g_ | gone ! |
| 16:07:59 | water | hola |
| 16:08:08 | nikos | Hey |
| 16:08:10 | water | i just got an ipaq 3670 |
| 16:08:17 | water | and i have no windows machine :) |
| 16:08:28 | water | (i think you guys can fill in the details... ;) |
| 16:08:31 | nikos | water: What are you running? |
| 16:08:56 | water | i have a fbsd-box and an ibook which will not boot into its installed linuxppc yet :/ |
| 16:09:10 | nikos | water: The top of the familiar installation instructions links to other instructions for the initial bootloader install, those instructions in turn link to instructions on how to transfer files to the ipaq running CE using PPP. |
| 16:09:25 | water | hm |
| 16:09:41 | nikos | ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/linux/dists/compaq/ipaq/v0.20/install.html |
| 16:09:42 | water | my fbsd box doesn't have a working usb port... so i just use serial then? |
| 16:10:00 | nikos | water: Yes, you have to have serial currently in any case. |
| 16:10:12 | nikos | water: No matter what operating system, the bootloader only knows serial right now. |
| 16:10:23 | water | how buggy is the current kernel and tiny-x? |
| 16:10:27 | water | k |
| 16:10:32 | nikos | water: Want instructions on modifying the USB cradle? ;) |
| 16:10:43 | water | hmmmm |
| 16:10:54 | nikos | water: The serial cable is most convenient. |
| 16:11:08 | nikos | water: But the cradle is also workable, either serial or modified USB/Serial. |
| 16:11:27 | water | notices it didn't come with a serial cable |
| 16:11:46 | nikos | water: I wouldn't say the kernel and X are buggy except that they are a moving target. New functionality is being added steadily. |
| 16:12:05 | water | ok |
| 16:12:42 | nikos | Clearly new functionality is going to tend to add new bugs as well. But we have a good group and bugs tend to get squashed quickly. |
| 16:13:07 | water | ok |
| 16:14:07 | water | oh wait |
| 16:14:20 | water | i wonder if my old cassiopeia cradle will work with the ipaq? |
| 16:14:30 | nikos | I doubt it. But I don't know. |
| 16:14:47 | nikos | Worth a try. ;) |
| 16:14:56 | water | yeah if i can find it |
| 16:15:07 | water | (my casio was stolen a year ago) |
| 16:15:13 | nikos | ouch |
| 16:16:09 | water | it's really annoying that the mac doesn't have a basic driver for the ipaq |
| 16:16:20 | water | just to mount it as a drive |
| 16:16:50 | water | anyway |
| 16:17:59 | nikos | s/ipaq/Windows CE/ I assume you mean |
| 16:18:26 | water | right |
| 16:18:47 | nikos | You really expect the great M$ to support another OS. LOL ;) |
| 16:19:05 | water | :P |
| 16:19:09 | nikos | Part of the reason that Palm will continue to dominate I think. |
| 16:19:18 | water | nods |
| 16:19:41 | water | hm i could check a few sites to see if a 3rd party managed to do it |
| 16:19:48 | nikos | True. |
| 16:19:55 | nikos | If you find anything, let me know. |
| 16:26:11 | water | hm my casio cradle is in the garage... brb |
| 16:32:44 | water | damn |
| 16:33:12 | water | well it won't fit the ipaq, but it has the serial cable |
| 16:33:45 | water | however i promised to give this to a friend in a couple of days, so i'll just have to get the serial cable at the nearby used-parts store |
| 16:34:02 | nikos | K |
| 17:04:17 | bworth | hi |
| 17:04:28 | nikos | hey bworth |
| 17:04:37 | cworthLUNCH | bworth: hi there! |
| 17:04:52 | bworth | i'm pulling my hair out! |
| 17:05:53 | bworth | I am stuck at work with a windows98 machine - has anyone had success setting up a ppp connection between windows98 and the ipaq? I have read EVERYTHING i can find and still can't get it to work |
| 17:05:54 | cworthLUNCH | bworth: I take it PPP to Windows isn't working yet? ;) |
| 17:06:11 | water | hm |
| 17:06:43 | bworth | i can run hyperterminal fine, so I know I have a valid connection |
| 17:11:17 | cworthLUNCH | bworth: do you know that the Windows machine is sending the right information? Were you able to watch it talk on /dev/ttySA0? |
| 17:12:33 | bworth | i tried that yesterday, and didn't get anything - haven't tried it today. Let me try |
| 17:12:57 | bworth | (stty 115200;cat)</dev/ttySA0 ??? |
| 17:13:45 | nikos | bworth: You can also have windows save a log of the conversation and check that out. |
| 17:14:23 | cworth | bworth: I believe that should work, yes. |
| 17:14:39 | bworth | yeah, I did that, and everytime windows tried to send anything more than <cr> I get an error "ERROR: Unable to send command to the device." |
| 17:15:34 | nikos | bworth: Make sure it is set to use the right baud rate. |
| 17:15:47 | bworth | yeah, did that |
| 17:15:51 | nikos | bworth: And no hand shaking. |
| 17:15:58 | cworth | bworth: perhaps HyperTerminal is not releasing the port. |
| 17:16:04 | nikos | or that... |
| 17:16:42 | bworth | ok, let me try - I'm sure the baud rate is ok, but let me try the hand shaking, and kill hyperterminal |
| 17:18:38 | bworth | ok - it was the handshaking AAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2 days for that? |
| 17:19:14 | bworth | it's still not working 100% but at I can see the login prompt |
| 17:19:24 | bworth | s/at/at least/ |
| 17:19:29 | nikos | progress is goooood. ;) |
| 17:19:38 | bworth | i should be able to take if from here |
| 17:19:49 | bworth | thanks nikos (and cworth) |
| 17:19:49 | nikos | bworth: Care to write a HOWTO? ;) |
| 17:20:04 | bworth | yeah, when I get it working I will |
| 17:20:29 | nikos | cworth: Mind flipping through my bootloader instructions edits? I didn't change much, but... |
| 17:21:23 | bworth | next, I will tackle USB to windows - I hate windows (anybody else?) but many people are stuck with it, and especially as this moves from a developement platfor to a commercial platform, there will be lots of people in the same boat |
| 17:21:46 | nikos | bworth: That will likely require some mods to the usbnet source, nothing major though I don't think. |
| 17:22:07 | bworth | yeah, I'll check them out, and I'm going to draw up some updated diagrams for the serial cradle hack |
| 17:22:20 | nikos | Cool, thanks! |
| 17:22:25 | water | hm |
| 17:22:28 | water | yes thanks |
| 17:22:37 | water | (since i have to deal with that myself) |
| 17:22:44 | bworth | well, I'm going to go now and find out what else I'm doing wrong |
| 17:22:51 | cworth | bworth: congrats. |
| 17:23:00 | bworth | water: which, the cradle hack? |
| 17:23:47 | bworth | cworth: thanks for all of your help! |
| 17:24:03 | water | yes the cradle hack |
| 17:24:35 | bworth | i had my digital camera right there and got so wrapped up in it I didn't take pictures :( |
| 17:25:29 | bworth | I'm going to make up some simulated before and after pictures in photoshop, though, and update a couple of the pinouts that have changed |
| 17:25:45 | bworth | whenever I get some time :) |
| 17:26:39 | bworth | are you going to be trying it sometime soon? |
| 17:29:23 | water | i have to |
| 17:29:34 | water | i have a 64mb ipaq and no windows machine :) |
| 17:29:47 | water | i have a mac, but i can't get linuxppc to boot on it |
| 17:31:04 | bworth | I have a 32mb ipaq that came with a USB cradle, and I added a serial cable to it. I'll try to post something in the next day or so. |
| 17:31:25 | nikos | water: You did see the links to the existing instructions didn't you? |
| 17:31:38 | water | yeah but i haven't looked at them yet |
| 17:31:50 | nikos | water: And having windows wouldn't help, you have to have a serial connection to communicate with the bootloader no matter what OS you use. |
| 17:33:15 | water | right, but if i could get the ipaq to load files from my mac, then i wouldn't need linux :) |
| 17:33:17 | water | ducks |
| 17:33:25 | bworth | the instructions aren't too bad - I think a few things have changed on the latest boards, but I was able to figure it out. I just thought that some updated diagrams would be helpful. |
| 17:36:11 | nikos | water: You should be able to use MacOS, you just need a PPP connection to transfer files into CE. |
| 17:36:19 | water | hm |
| 17:36:28 | nikos | water: Although I'm not sure if the MacOS exposes enough configurability. |
| 17:36:37 | water | i don't think it does :P |
| 17:36:53 | nikos | Probably, I know very little about MacOS> |
| 17:37:05 | water | which still sucks because my email machine is my mac |
| 17:37:11 | water | (it's an ibook) |
| 17:55:05 | Lone | Do I need anything other than the familiar package to make the stowaway keyboard work? |
| 17:56:33 | bdkearns | check the wiki |
| 18:05:52 | cworth | Lone: you have to turn the getty off someway and then start |
| 18:06:30 | cworth | (oops) ... and then start up stowd. |
| 18:16:36 | Lone | Okay. Coo. |
| 18:17:45 | jg__ | cworth: I'm getting 403 forbidden when I try to run ./postinst from familiar unstable. have any ideas? |
| 18:18:07 | nikos | jg__: Really? |
| 18:18:16 | nikos | jg__: Your's is the second report? Can you tell what URL? |
| 18:18:36 | nikos | aha, unstable. I didn't check that one... |
| 18:18:52 | cworth | jg__: no idea. a7r owns that. |
| 18:20:40 | nikos | PKGURL="http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.4.1/install/H3600/postinst-kit.tar.gz" |
| 18:20:44 | nikos | There's the culprit |
| 18:21:54 | nikos | jg__: Try it again, I will take the blame for that one. |
| 18:22:45 | nikos | Why postinst does what it does is beyond me. A package to download a package... *sigh* |
| 18:23:05 | mallum | is away: stuff to do........ |
| 18:23:10 | bdkearns | reminds me of some packages in debian :) |
| 18:23:32 | cworth | nikos: he wrote that long before packages existed and hasn't gotten around to cleaning it up yet. |
| 18:23:37 | cworth | bdkearns: :) |
| 18:23:44 | nikos | cworth: Well, this is a new version. ;) |
| 18:24:03 | cworth | nikos: heh... I'm running out of excuses for him then. :) |
| 18:24:28 | nikos | He's busy... :) |
| 18:24:28 | jg__ | nikos: so I tried postinst again, and got the same answer. |
| 18:24:33 | nikos | jg__: Once more |
| 18:24:38 | bdkearns | jg__: sure nothing is cached? |
| 18:24:39 | nikos | jg__: I screwed up my fix too. |
| 18:25:24 | jg__ | nikos: much better. Now I just have to go change all the font names for MS fonts. |
| 18:25:45 | nikos | I was getting tired of questions about why and how to install v0.4.1, so I closed the directory. |
| 18:25:59 | nikos | I didn't realize packages linked into the releases directories. ;) |
| 18:55:08 | jg__ | nikos, a7r: grabFonts on its way to you, to change the names... |
| 18:55:54 | nikos | got it |
| 18:58:59 | jfkdjslaf | im trying to install something to fam04 on ipaq. after having the file at ipaq, how to install (gzip, tar?) |
| 18:59:16 | Leeds | what are you trying to install? |
| 18:59:20 | nikos | jfkdjslaf: what is this "something"? |
| 18:59:47 | jfkdjslaf | wmmp3-0.12-ipaq |
| 18:59:57 | nikos | Is it an .ipk file? |
| 19:00:01 | Leeds | what's the actual filename? |
| 19:00:04 | jfkdjslaf | nope, tar.gz |
| 19:00:14 | nikos | Then I hope it has instructions. |
| 19:00:23 | jfkdjslaf | nope.. :-) |
| 19:00:27 | Leeds | do a tar ztvf on it to get a list of files - find out if it needs installing from / |
| 19:00:33 | nikos | Yeah |
| 19:00:38 | nikos | do that. ;) |
| 19:01:14 | jfkdjslaf | any good calendar PIM package for fam, easily installable? installed 11 mg familiar pack. |
| 19:01:58 | Leeds | I don't think anyone's written (or at least released) one yet - QTE probably has one |
| 19:02:34 | jfkdjslaf | PocketLInux looked better, but Fam seems to be more open and createive |
| 19:03:32 | Leeds | I prefer doing something based on the same tech as my desktop - which means QTE and PocketLinux are out |
| 19:04:49 | nikos | Keep in mind that both PocketLinux and QPE are addons to Familiar. All of our work has tended to go towards more basic things and we haven't had the time to work on many user apps yet. |
| 19:05:08 | nikos | Those projects are able to leverage off of the time that we've spent. |
| 19:05:27 | nikos | Apps for Familiar X/GTK will appear, just not as quickly. |
| 19:06:09 | jfkdjslaf | found the help file, it says I should copy the file to /usr/local/bin/wmmp3 and then run "sync" to prevent corrupted file system. nothign about installing just compiling or using bins. |
| 19:06:25 | nikos | jfkdjslaf: That's old. |
| 19:06:31 | nikos | jfkdjslaf: Forget the sync part. |
| 19:06:59 | kristo | sorry about my nick... havin problmems with my bot... |
| 19:07:09 | nikos | That's OK, I have tab completion. ;) |
| 19:10:48 | | tangent was last seen on #handhelds.org 2 hours, 7 minutes and 55 seconds ago, saying: goes to eat... really must eat... trousers have started falling down now... must eat more :) [Fri Jun 22 18:02:53 2001] |
| 19:10:48 | jg__ | ibot: seen tangent |
| 19:11:22 | Leeds | wishes he had tangent's problem :-( |
| 19:11:36 | kristo | nikos: what do you mean? |
| 19:17:29 | kristo | Is the mingle 0.1 isntalled by default? |
| 19:18:05 | Leeds | no... |
| 19:18:41 | kristo | how to get it? |
| 19:19:09 | Leeds | I just downloaded the ipk file and hand-installed it |
| 19:19:42 | kristo | where can i dl? have you tried midori from transmeta? |
| 19:20:25 | Leeds | dled from ftp.handhelds.org - and I haven't tried anything but familiar and the hh.org distro before that |
| 19:20:41 | nikos | kristo: You would just need to edit /etc/ipkg.conf to change your feed, then ipkg install <package name> |
| 19:21:06 | Leeds | I like manual - I use slackware on my desktop :-) |
| 19:21:06 | nikos | Leeds: Why did you "hand-install" it? |
| 19:21:12 | nikos | whatever. |
| 19:21:31 | Leeds | hand-install as in dl the ipk file and 'ipkg install <file>' |
| 19:21:42 | kristo | leeds, there is nothing at ftp.hh.org |
| 19:22:10 | kristo | sorry about that, forget |
| 19:22:59 | kristo | should any >0.4 be installed? |
| 19:23:19 | Leeds | huh? |
| 19:33:47 | kristo | how to use ipkg for ipk |
| 19:34:04 | nikos | ipkg --help |
| 19:34:11 | | ipkg is the Itsy Package Management System used by Familiar: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/iPKG |
| 19:34:11 | nikos | ibot: ipkg |
| 19:36:21 | kristo | somehow my terminal sucks with that... IPKG --HELP return not found. |
| 19:38:12 | nikos | Are you typing in all caps? |
| 19:38:31 | kristo | nope |
| 19:38:31 | nikos | kristo: Unix is case sensitive |
| 19:38:39 | nikos | kristo: This is on an ipaq running familiar? |
| 19:38:52 | kristo | yep, caps off |
| 19:39:24 | nikos | ls -l /usr/bin/ipkg |
| 19:39:51 | kristo | -RWXR-XR-X 1 ROOT ROOT 14618 MAY 8 2001 /USR/BIN/IPKG |
| 19:40:06 | nikos | kristo: What's with the caps? |
| 19:40:27 | Kero | ATZ |
| 19:40:32 | Kero | minicom, I bet :) |
| 19:41:02 | kristo | winterm.. |
| 19:41:16 | kristo | hyper one |
| 19:41:47 | nikos | kristo: Exit hyper term and restart it. Everything should not be in all caps like that. |
| 19:42:07 | nikos | kristo: You have to setup networking to make "real" use of ipkg. |
| 19:44:22 | kristo | who! installing... :-=) thank guys |
| 19:45:41 | kristo | setting up networking mean setting ppp to my desk? could i also use my pcmcia on ipaq? |
| 19:46:15 | nikos | kristo: Lots of options. Do have you have PCMCIA sleeve? |
| 19:46:22 | kristo | hai! |
| 19:48:15 | Leeds | wireless networking rocks! |
| 19:48:53 | nikos | I suspect it would. ;) |
| 19:49:11 | kristo | ehm, mingle installed itself with ipkg, where did it go? |
| 19:50:17 | nikos | just run mingle |
| 19:50:37 | kristo | good, thanks. |
| 19:50:48 | Leeds | will write a Palm->mingle converted when I have time |
| 19:51:19 | kristo | Great, leeds! |
| 19:51:56 | kristo | about the network, should my nt be able to serve ppp for Fam? |
| 19:52:48 | nikos | I'm not sure |
| 20:12:50 | Leeds | yes, but you need to mess around with some stuff... |
| 20:15:15 | kristo | thank you guys, got software nstalled, now i have to find good sw. thank you! good luck for linux! |
| 20:15:22 | kristo | going out |
| 20:15:29 | nikos | Bye kristo, thanks |
| 20:15:37 | Leeds | you might have to *write* software :-) Enjoy |
| 20:15:58 | nikos | Indeed. This is a DIY project. ;) |
| 20:16:29 | kristo | btw, any java machine around for fam? |
| 20:16:47 | Leeds | kristo - try the ARM Java from blackdown.org |
| 21:46:36 | a7r | re.. |
| 22:00:29 | Kero | a7r: took a look at the ipkg I sent you a loong time ago? |
| 23:04:43 | a7r | Kero: which one? |
| 23:09:21 | Kero | tcl, tk and ruby |
| 23:21:14 | a7r | Kero: I've been pretty slammed.. if you want to send me URLs, I'll put them up in unstable. |
| 23:23:53 | Kero | a7r: uploading to http://members.chello.nl/~k.vangelder/ipaq/ipkg now... |
| 23:29:11 | a7r | Kero: cool. |
| 23:29:14 | Kero | their there. |
| 23:29:30 | Kero | they're there, even. |
| 23:31:55 | Kero | plus md5 checksums, now. |