| 01:23:28 | sgodsell | Hello Familiar people. I have a problem building a root.jffs2 file. I can build it using mkfs.jffs2, and install it on my ipaq, but now I am getting messages like the following: |
| 01:23:56 | a7r | digdude: re.. |
| 01:24:08 | sgodsell | JFFS2: Erase block at 0x0000000 is not formated. It will be erased. |
| 01:24:29 | a7r | sgodsell: did you erase the partition before you uploaded the new image? |
| 01:24:30 | sgodsell | What am I doing wrong |
| 01:24:48 | sgodsell | hmmm no |
| 01:24:54 | a7r | and more importantly, did you set your partitions up right? |
| 01:25:15 | a7r | 0x0000000 isn't a good starting place to be putting JFFS2 images. ;) |
| 01:25:27 | sgodsell | well if I put the old task-complete-familiar back it will work |
| 01:25:39 | a7r | hmm. |
| 01:25:47 | a7r | what command line are you using to make the new image? |
| 01:26:54 | sgodsell | mkfs.jffs2 -r /tmp/task-familiar/ -o /tmp/root.jffs2 -e 0x40000 -p |
| 01:27:18 | sgodsell | my files are in /tmp/task-familiar |
| 01:27:52 | a7r | that looks fine. |
| 01:28:07 | a7r | how are you loading the image? |
| 01:29:08 | sgodsell | I should also mention I am using mkfs.jffs2 revision 1.9. I am loading the image by using load root |
| 01:29:21 | sgodsell | from the boot> prompt |
| 01:29:40 | sgodsell | then sending it over using xmodem |
| 01:29:44 | digdude | a7r: yo. |
| 01:30:40 | a7r | digdude: how's it? |
| 01:30:44 | digdude | a7r: bad. |
| 01:30:50 | a7r | suck. |
| 01:31:01 | a7r | sgodsell: that all sounds good. |
| 01:31:08 | sgodsell | I hope it isn't because of me :) |
| 01:31:22 | sgodsell | suck :( |
| 01:31:40 | sgodsell | hmm |
| 01:32:00 | sgodsell | oh I am using 2.4.3-rmk2-np1 |
| 01:32:26 | sgodsell | I built the kernel as well and did a load kernel |
| 01:32:56 | sgodsell | all built okay with no problems |
| 01:33:26 | sgodsell | I also put all the modules in /tmp/task-familiar/lib/modules |
| 01:33:33 | sgodsell | naturally |
| 01:35:37 | sgodsell | I noticed that a7r you work for handhelds.org |
| 01:36:45 | sgodsell | When you click on downloads on the handhelds.org site you show up on the Familiar distribution |
| 01:37:30 | sgodsell | So I guess a7r you must have built a few of these jffs2 thingies :) |
| 01:39:41 | sgodsell | Is there any magic trick or am I just missing something? Or I am just stupid! |
| 01:39:58 | sgodsell | Well I am retracting the last option :) |
| 01:40:27 | sgodsell | Hello is anybody out there !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:40:38 | Nermal | yes |
| 01:40:41 | Nermal | ;) |
| 01:40:41 | sgodsell | ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ) |
| 01:40:48 | Nermal | fluffles sgodsell |
| 01:40:55 | sgodsell | hello Nermal |
| 01:41:02 | Nermal | hello :) |
| 01:41:29 | sgodsell | So which iPAQ have you got? I have a 3630 |
| 01:41:32 | a7r | sgodsell: there's no trick.. but getting your config right is a must. |
| 01:41:34 | Nermal | I have the same :) |
| 01:42:26 | sgodsell | Hmmm, well when you say getting your config right. Do you mean all the files in it? |
| 01:43:10 | sgodsell | I used all the ones from the original task-familiar-complete and then added my own |
| 01:45:24 | a7r | you making a new image to experiment with it, or for something else? |
| 01:45:25 | sgodsell | Oh buy the way I changed the kernel so the floating point was not built into the kernel and was a module instead |
| 01:45:52 | a7r | that's how Familiar is shipped. |
| 01:46:37 | sgodsell | Well when you download the kernel from you guys the default is built in :) |
| 01:46:56 | a7r | which kernel? we load nwfpe at boot time, but it comes as a module. |
| 01:47:17 | sgodsell | 2.4.3-rmk2-np1 |
| 01:48:47 | sgodsell | I tried 2.4.5-rmk6 but that blew up all over the place so I did a cvs -D "46 days ago" option to get 2.4.3-rmk2-np1 |
| 01:49:11 | a7r | sgodsell: did you use the familiar default config? |
| 01:49:48 | sgodsell | sorry default config? Do you mean .config in the kernel |
| 01:50:01 | a7r | I mean replacing .config with .../arch/arm/def-configs/familiar |
| 01:50:14 | sgodsell | no I did not |
| 01:50:18 | sgodsell | hmm |
| 01:50:23 | a7r | it's a good starting point. |
| 01:50:32 | a7r | as well as the familiar-v0_4 tag. |
| 01:50:41 | sgodsell | Was this documented somewhere? |
| 01:50:47 | a7r | the mailing lists. |
| 01:51:13 | sgodsell | I guess I will put back the stupid option then :) |
| 01:51:27 | a7r | just look at the config.. it makes it easy to go from something that you know works. |
| 01:53:27 | sgodsell | So the kernel that I am using right now (2.4.3-rmk2-np1) is suppose to have an arch/arm/def-configs/familiar file? |
| 01:53:42 | sgodsell | hmm I don't see it |
| 01:56:01 | jacques | sgodsell: it's called h3600-familiar or soesuch |
| 01:57:06 | a7r | that should have been *familiar.. there are 2 of them, h3100-familiar and h3600-familiar. |
| 01:59:05 | sgodsell | okay I see a ./kernel/arch/arm/def-configs/h3600-jffs2 |
| 01:59:26 | sgodsell | I don't see a h3600-familiar |
| 01:59:43 | sgodsell | or a h3100-familiar file |
| 02:00:04 | a7r | maybe you're looking back too far. |
| 02:07:50 | sgodsell | Sorry wife called my to say goodnight it is 11:09pm now |
| 02:08:46 | sgodsell | okay what was I suppose to download in order to find a file called h3600-familiar? |
| 02:12:08 | a7r | You should do a checkout of the ``linux/kernel'' module in handhelds.org CVS. |
| 02:13:43 | sgodsell | I did that cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs@cvs.handhelds.org:/cvs co -D "45 day ago" linux |
| 02:13:52 | sgodsell | i did a |
| 02:13:59 | sgodsell | .. |
| 02:14:42 | sgodsell | I tried the latest yesterday 2.4.5 but it blew up on me |
| 02:15:20 | sgodsell | should I have done a cvs tag with familiar-v0_4 |
| 02:15:24 | sgodsell | ? |
| 02:15:34 | a7r | yup. |
| 02:15:41 | sgodsell | I gues I should have :) |
| 02:15:48 | sgodsell | silly me |
| 02:22:07 | a7r | OKay.. I'm gone. |
| 02:22:10 | a7r | sgodsell: good luck. |
| 02:23:08 | sgodsell | thank you |
| 10:29:45 | mpakula | can i load packages into ipaq with terminal ? |
| 10:30:48 | cworth | mpakula: yep. Just send with zmodem. |
| 10:31:10 | cworth | mpakula: sorry I haven't replied to your email yet... |
| 10:32:07 | cworth | mpakula: one of the best ways to help now would be to find existing software for the iPAQ, (on FTP, mentioned on wiki, mentioned on email lists), and package these programs up as .ipk packages... |
| 10:32:50 | mpakula | ok no problems I think you gave me web page with desription of installation of packages can you give it once more for my laptop hdd said goodbye 2 days ago and died |
| 10:33:15 | cworth | bummer. http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/iPKG |
| 10:33:32 | cworth | there's a link there to a page specifically on how to build packages. |
| 10:34:05 | mpakula | I'll look into it as soon as I get all the things back working ;-) |
| 10:34:22 | cworth | mpakula: OK. good luck. |
| 10:34:54 | mpakula | when i download with zmodem how do i install it just install and path or I have to specify more |
| 10:35:33 | cworth | mpakula: after transferring with zmodem, do "ipkg install /path/to/foo.ipk" |
| 10:36:33 | cworth | BBIAB |
| 13:20:21 | dneuer | hello all |
| 14:12:34 | Nermal | :) |
| 14:46:54 | finrod | hi, can someone help with a bootldr problem? |
| 14:47:18 | nikos | Sure, shoot |
| 14:47:51 | finrod | ok, I uploaded bootldr.2.14.8 did the pflash 0 0xffff 1 command |
| 14:48:00 | finrod | but the qflash 2 returns 00000000 |
| 14:48:27 | finrod | when I try and upload eg bootldr.2.14.5 it says erase error |
| 14:48:31 | nikos | finrod: Are you following the directions at ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/linux/compaq/ipaq/latest/install.html |
| 14:48:35 | finrod | yes |
| 14:48:40 | nikos | Did you do Step 14>? |
| 14:48:56 | nikos | peek flash 0 and peek flash 0x20 |
| 14:49:04 | nikos | compare to results shown there |
| 14:50:11 | finrod | ooops did install.html wait one |
| 14:50:20 | nikos | hm? |
| 14:51:04 | finrod | can get to that address, was following the one on ftp://ftp.easynet.be/familiar/releases/v0.4/install/H3600/install.html |
| 14:51:24 | finrod | cant get to it even |
| 14:51:27 | nikos | finrod: Is this a bootloader upgrade or initial install? |
| 14:51:36 | finrod | initial install |
| 14:51:53 | nikos | finrod: The familiar instructions do not tell you how to do that. How can you be following those instructions? |
| 14:52:02 | finrod | d'oh |
| 14:52:05 | nikos | finrod: Did you click the [here] link at the top of the Familiar instructions? |
| 14:52:10 | finrod | yes |
| 14:52:21 | nikos | That's the document I first mentioned. |
| 14:52:24 | finrod | no joy, ftp.handhelds.org must be down |
| 14:52:27 | finrod | ah |
| 14:52:35 | nikos | My URL above may be wrong |
| 14:52:54 | finrod | is there a mirror? cos that site is unavailable for any link on www.handhelds,org |
| 14:53:01 | finrod | I was looking there yesterday |
| 14:53:05 | nikos | Just a moment... |
| 14:53:44 | finrod | wonders where that packing material is so he can ship his ipaq to the states :( |
| 14:54:58 | nikos | Why do you want to do that? |
| 14:55:12 | finrod | just in case I cant recover from this ;) |
| 14:55:22 | nikos | finrod: You are just fine. |
| 14:55:29 | finrod | thats a relief |
| 14:56:12 | nikos | ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/linux/compaq/ipaq/v0.20/install.html |
| 14:56:21 | nikos | FTP server was down, but I fixed it. |
| 14:56:48 | nikos | Go to that URL or click the [here] link in the install docs, same difference |
| 14:57:11 | finrod | going, will follow the instructions there! :) |
| 14:57:26 | nikos | finrod: Please let me know if these are not the same instructions you already followed. |
| 14:57:45 | finrod | not the same :( I only followed the ones on the familiar page |
| 14:57:47 | nikos | finrod: These are the only instructions I am aware of that would direct you on how to install 2.14.8 from Windows CE. |
| 14:57:52 | nikos | finrod: That's impossible |
| 14:57:59 | nikos | finrod: There is no mention of osloader on the Familiar page |
| 14:58:16 | finrod | no, so far I have done everything right (up to loading the 2.14.8) |
| 14:58:32 | nikos | finrod: 2.14.8 isn't even mentioned on the Familiar page. |
| 14:58:37 | finrod | I was going a bit from memory where there were gaps in the familiar instructions |
| 14:58:58 | nikos | finrod: You didn't read those instructions carefully. They tell you you MUST already have a bootloader. |
| 14:59:08 | nikos | finrod: Then direct you elsewhere if you don't. |
| 14:59:22 | nikos | finrod: That elsewhere being the ipaq/v0.20/install.html |
| 14:59:30 | nikos | anyway... |
| 14:59:33 | nikos | skip down to Step 14 |
| 15:00:33 | finrod | ok flash 0 returns 00000000 not the expected EA00008E and 0x2 returns FFFFFFFF |
| 15:00:56 | nikos | finrod: Go back to step 12 again. |
| 15:00:57 | finrod | reloading now |
| 15:01:05 | nikos | finrod: Be sure the md5sums of all files are correct also. |
| 15:02:00 | finrod | how (bit of a newbie regarding md5) |
| 15:02:11 | nikos | finrod: What OS are you running? |
| 15:02:19 | finrod | win 2k |
| 15:02:27 | | i heard windows md5sum was http://www.etree.org/md5com.html or http://www.etree.org/software1.html or http://lists.debian.org/debian-italian-0103/msg00045.html |
| 15:02:27 | nikos | ibot: windows md5sum |
| 15:02:37 | nikos | Maybe try one of those utilities |
| 15:03:57 | finrod | trying now :) |
| 15:04:18 | nikos | cool |
| 15:11:37 | finrod | checksum is fine, but it is not my day. the upload hung at 40k and the connection seems to have hung. any idea what the timeout for OSloader is? |
| 15:12:08 | dneuerAWAY | is away: gotta go scrub off the stink |
| 15:12:22 | nikos | finrod: Not sure, give it at least a minute or two, be patient. |
| 15:14:25 | Nermal | finrod: what terminal software are you using ? |
| 15:16:50 | finrod | hyperterm |
| 15:16:57 | finrod | ok got past that bit :) thanks for all your help nikos |
| 15:17:08 | finrod | I dare say I will be asking more ;) |
| 15:17:17 | nikos | :) |
| 15:30:48 | dneuerAWAY | is back (gone 00:18:39) |
| 15:50:56 | finrod | anyone know of a decent xmodem prog for win32? cos hyperterm keeps hanging :( |
| 15:51:41 | finrod | I cant even get to 1 meg let alone 11 :( |
| 15:52:47 | dtmf | use vandyk CRT 3.0 |
| 15:52:57 | finrod | where from? |
| 15:53:20 | dtmf | http://www.vandyke.com/download/crt/index.html |
| 15:54:04 | finrod | thnx |
| 15:54:35 | Nermal | wow |
| 15:54:46 | Nermal | nikos wrote the install guide |
| 15:54:50 | Nermal | pats nikos |
| 16:04:02 | finrod | how do u get CRT to do xmodem uploads? |
| 16:05:30 | dtmf | uh |
| 16:05:33 | dtmf | Transfer |
| 16:05:36 | dtmf | Send Xmodem |
| 16:05:50 | finrod | only has zmodem in there :( |
| 16:06:06 | dtmf | wierd |
| 16:06:09 | dtmf | I have xmodem |
| 16:06:10 | dtmf | zmodem |
| 16:06:12 | dtmf | and ascii |
| 16:07:23 | finrod | hmm, it is ver 3.1 but I cant find xmodem :( |
| 16:08:37 | dtmf | I have ver 3.3 |
| 16:08:39 | dtmf | heh |
| 16:09:48 | finrod | re-looking :) |
| 16:11:03 | dtmf | http://www.vandyke.com/pub/CRT/ntcrt331.exe |
| 16:11:06 | dtmf | it's right there |
| 16:11:21 | finrod | got it. Thnx dtmf ;) |
| 16:28:14 | finrod | dtmf: sorry about this but am i doing something wrong? cos it brings up the dialog but doesnt start the xfer :( |
| 16:37:06 | nikos | Nermal: I only editted the install guide, a7r wrote the Familiar one. |
| 16:43:10 | finrod | has anyone else had a nightmare trying to upload the kernel? |
| 16:43:30 | nikos | finrod: Can't be too bad of a nightmare. Can kill the ipaq doing it. |
| 16:43:35 | nikos | finrod: Like what? |
| 16:43:39 | nikos | ack |
| 16:43:43 | nikos | s/Can/Can't/ |
| 16:43:52 | nikos | Can't kill the ipaq doing it. |
| 16:43:59 | finrod | just xmodem playing silly buggers and stalling :( |
| 16:44:17 | nikos | finrod: Many people have reported that W2K hyperterminal doesn't work well. |
| 16:44:22 | finrod | I blame hyperterm ;) |
| 16:44:27 | nikos | finrod: I don't suppose you have Linux handy? |
| 16:44:34 | finrod | lol my thoughts exactly |
| 16:44:44 | finrod | not without doing a build on another disk |
| 16:44:45 | nikos | Even Win98 hyperterm works better. |
| 16:45:00 | nikos | allegedly... |
| 16:45:01 | finrod | and that means losing access to irc! ;) |
| 16:45:05 | finrod | lol |
| 16:45:23 | finrod | I can believe it. this is a new ver too. 8th Oct 2000 |
| 16:45:43 | | nikos: what? |
| 16:45:43 | nikos | ibot: terraterm |
| 16:45:48 | finrod | I tried crt 3.3.1 but that xmodem doesn't even start :( |
| 16:46:08 | finrod | was that for me? |
| 16:46:26 | nikos | Yeah, Tangent like Terraterm. |
| 17:01:55 | Kero | nice :( |
| 17:02:12 | Kero | lost /etc/init.d/x when I upgraded to unstable feed... |
| 17:02:41 | nikos | Kero: Hmm, any idea which package? |
| 17:02:55 | Kero | nope |
| 17:03:57 | Kero | ipkg search /etc/init.d/x |
| 17:04:03 | Kero | xserver-tiny-h3600 |
| 17:04:26 | nikos | interesting |
| 17:04:48 | Kero | hacked it before. |
| 17:04:55 | Kero | but not good!!! |
| 17:05:27 | Kero | notes that /etc/rc2.d/S99x existed, still... |
| 17:07:54 | Kero | gottago! |
| 17:38:29 | bworth | hi all |
| 17:45:19 | nikos | Hey bworth |
| 17:49:45 | bworth | nikos: I finally got my windows98 ppp connection working :) |
| 17:51:08 | bworth | you should see the handfulls of hair laying around my computer desk |
| 17:59:25 | bworth | kindof of waste of time, since I'm installing debian next week, but i love a challenge |
| 18:12:32 | mindrape | bworth: did you use a doc get to get going? |
| 18:15:24 | nikos | bworth: Excellent |
| 18:21:20 | bworth | mindrape: i used wiki/ppphowto and wiki/windowsppphowto but it also took a LOT of trial and error |
| 18:36:44 | saro | hi! |
| 18:37:10 | saro | anyone here? |
| 18:38:18 | Nermal | d0h |
| 18:38:57 | mindrape | bworth: you should document it |
| 18:39:01 | mindrape | so its clearer |
| 18:51:59 | bworth | mindrape: yeah, I will, once I can figure out what exactly I did :) I'll be going through it all again on my desktop at work, so I'll have to take notes, and post them |
| 20:03:00 | finrod | newbie Q, how do you change to landscape mode? |
| 20:04:39 | a7r | edit /etc/init.d/x and change the resolution to 320x240 |
| 20:04:50 | finrod | k thnx |
| 20:52:45 | finrod | ok I think I need some hand holding if anyone is willing |
| 20:53:17 | finrod | Tangent mentioned that I should edit something to get my xircom cf nic recognised. anyone know what and how? |
| 20:59:35 | a7r | finrod: /etc/pcmcia <- look in there.. you probably want to bind your CF card to pcnet_cs |
| 20:59:49 | finrod | k will give it a go |
| 21:04:23 | finrod | a7r : ok Im lost how do I bind it? |
| 21:05:05 | finrod | Ah may have found it |
| 21:11:14 | finrod | a7r : i edited the /etc/pcmcia/config and modified the xirc2ps_cs entry so the module was pcnet_cs. this caused the following |
| 21:11:31 | finrod | get dev info on socket 0 failed: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 21:11:38 | finrod | any ideas? |
| 21:22:05 | a7r | yeah, give your iPAQ a hard reset |
| 23:29:05 | nelson | Silly question: where is Xipaq started from in .4 ? |
| 23:29:31 | nikos | /etc/init.d/x? |
| 23:29:37 | nelson | You wish! |
| 23:30:01 | nelson | ls: /etc/init.d/x: No such file or directory |
| 23:30:35 | nikos | kero <Kero> nice :( |
| 23:30:35 | nikos | <Kero> lost /etc/init.d/x when I upgraded to unstable feed... |
| 23:30:35 | nikos | <nikos> Kero: Hmm, any idea which package? |
| 23:30:35 | nikos | <Kero> nope |
| 23:30:35 | nikos | <Kero> ipkg search /etc/init.d/x |
| 23:30:36 | nikos | <Kero> xserver-tiny-h3600 |
| 23:30:42 | nikos | That was earlier |
| 23:31:22 | nelson | okay, but when I reboot, I still have X and blackbox and fscrib running. |
| 23:32:32 | nelson | Gee, maybe that's why my fonts in blackbox and rxvt are so large? :-) |
| 23:32:44 | nikos | nelson: Did you have to do anything with Sendmail/Qmail earlier? |
| 23:32:55 | nikos | nelson: There seem to be a couple of mailman scripts that are stuck |
| 23:33:41 | nelson | No, didn't do anything with it. Boy, that machine seems to be sick. |
| 23:34:16 | nelson | klogd is still looping like crazy. |
| 23:34:51 | nikos | nelson: I've got George looking at it. |
| 23:34:54 | nelson | Just in time! How do I start ion instead of blackbox when running .4 unstable? |
| 23:35:30 | cworth | nelson: for now, edit /etc/init.d/x |
| 23:35:45 | nelson | Okay. Are you cooking up something use /etc/alternatives/wm ? |
| 23:36:05 | nelson | Same thing for fscrib? |
| 23:36:17 | nikos | Hey cworth, 2 reports today that upgrading to unstable kills /etc/init.d/x today (nelson and Kero) |
| 23:37:00 | cworth | nelson: I proposed alternatives for wm. a7r instead says his multi-user stuff will be ready soon enough. |
| 23:37:40 | cworth | nelson: yes. same for fscrib, (note that xstroke started from /etc/init.d/x will sometimes appear behind ion. :( ) |
| 23:38:25 | cworth | nikos: odd. haven't seen that. |
| 23:38:36 | nelson | I didn't have xserver-tiny-h3600 installed. |
| 23:39:53 | cworth | BBS... gotta put my sons to bed. |
| 23:41:16 | nelson | Hmmm.... I don't think /usr/X11R6/bin is on the path in /etc/init.d/x |
| 23:44:24 | nikos | Anybody here have a mediaone.net hostname? |