| 00:17:31 | sjohnson | is away: Making a food run. |
| 00:26:31 | sjohnson | is back (gone 00:09:00) |
| 00:58:35 | mindrape | werd |
| 00:59:33 | mindrape | is there way a way to kill the stowaway keyboard daemon when entering sleep mode? and reloading it when coming out of sleep mode? |
| 01:00:25 | Nermal | dunno |
| 01:38:40 | mindrape | hmm |
| 02:35:03 | sjohnson | is away: shower |
| 02:39:50 | jbs | Newbie: Installed familiar on Compaq Ipaq. Now what? HowTo appreciated... |
| 02:40:36 | Nermal | lol |
| 02:40:37 | Nermal | um |
| 02:40:39 | Nermal | do stuff :) |
| 02:40:47 | Nermal | set up a ppp link to do stuff |
| 02:41:07 | jbs | hehe. Links? |
| 02:42:46 | Nermal | um |
| 02:42:50 | | http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/PPPHowto |
| 02:42:50 | Nermal | ibot ppp howto |
| 02:43:56 | jbs | thnx for that, but "been there, seen that". I need the basic stuff... :-) |
| 02:44:13 | jbs | handhelds seem to have deleted it :-/ |
| 02:45:02 | Nermal | isn't that the basic stuff ? |
| 02:45:16 | Nermal | install qpe ? |
| 02:45:18 | Nermal | ;) |
| 02:45:22 | | qpe is at http://qpe.sourceforge.net |
| 02:45:22 | Nermal | ibot qpe |
| 02:46:11 | sjohnson | is back (gone 00:11:07) |
| 02:46:43 | jbs | Looks interesting. How about Blackdown JRE 1.3.1? |
| 02:47:36 | Nermal | um |
| 02:47:39 | Nermal | thats huge |
| 02:47:41 | Nermal | I think |
| 02:47:58 | jbs | 18M... |
| 02:51:38 | jbs | So - install Blackdown JRE to CF storage card, or go for Kaffe? |
| 02:51:49 | Nermal | um |
| 02:51:51 | Nermal | up to you :) |
| 02:52:24 | jbs | I can't seem to get any of them installed, so maybe PersonalJava for WinCe (*hide*) |
| 02:57:07 | Nermal | um |
| 02:58:03 | Nermal | is dreading the day a user comes in and says "I installed linux on my ipaq just as the howto says, and now activesync won't work!!" |
| 03:00:07 | jacques | heh |
| 03:54:57 | nelson | OMG, Tangent, what are you doing up in the middle of the night??? |
| 03:58:59 | sjohnson | nelson: It's just a ping timeout and reconnect. |
| 04:00:06 | sjohnson | Good. My mp3 drive rebuilt and now it's time for me to go to bed. |
| 08:11:43 | mace | re's |
| 08:17:00 | mace | does anyone here have an example kernel config for 2.4.3-rmk2-np1 I can look at, for the iPAQ |
| 11:04:45 | sjohnsonHome | is away: at work |
| 11:11:45 | mace | does anyone know the significance of the tags used in the kernel source tree for the ipaq? |
| 11:12:00 | mace | (the cvs source tree found on cvs.handhelds.org) |
| 11:24:42 | Tangent | mace : Yep... |
| 11:24:50 | Tangent | mace : All you need to care about are.... |
| 11:24:58 | Tangent | mace : 2.4.3-rmk2-np1 |
| 11:25:06 | Tangent | mace : 2.4.4-rmk3-np1-demo |
| 11:25:20 | Tangent | mace : And the very latest... 2.4.5-rmk7-xxx (or whatever it is) |
| 11:25:28 | Tangent | mace : Nothing else is worth compiling |
| 11:33:23 | jbs | Hi all! Could someone please fill in this (from wiki/newbieHOWTO): How do I reboot Linux without losing the contents of /mnt/ramfs? |
| 11:38:19 | Tangent | jbs : You can't |
| 11:38:36 | Tangent | jbs : The only way to do that is to back it all up to somewhere off the iPAQ first |
| 11:38:51 | Tangent | jbs : The kernel will wipe the ram when it starts up |
| 11:47:08 | mace | Tangent: thanks.. |
| 11:47:27 | mace | Tangent: what's the -demo for? |
| 11:47:48 | Tangent | mace : The -demo kernel series tries to offer as much iPAQ functionality as possible |
| 11:48:03 | mace | Tangent: ah excellent.. |
| 11:48:05 | Tangent | mace : not trying to track the latest kernel stuff.. just the latest iPAQ stuff... |
| 11:48:24 | mace | Tangent: aye ok.. presumably that includes usb support? |
| 11:49:00 | mace | ponders |
| 11:49:18 | Tangent | mace : USB support has been in the kernl for about 4 months... |
| 11:49:22 | mace | what do rmk/np1/hh indicate? |
| 11:49:25 | Tangent | USB support was in familiar 0.3 |
| 11:49:36 | mace | nods |
| 11:49:40 | Tangent | rmk = Russel King... maintainer of the ARM kernel |
| 11:49:55 | Tangent | np = Nico Peters (I think... definately Nico) |
| 11:50:05 | Tangent | Not sure quite where he fits in :) |
| 11:50:08 | mace | hehe |
| 11:50:14 | Tangent | and the -hh patches are the ones from the hh.org people |
| 11:50:17 | mace | fair enough.. ah |
| 11:50:25 | mace | will try the -demo kernel |
| 11:50:26 | Tangent | hh patches are almost all ipaq hardware specific |
| 11:50:53 | Tangent | mace : I'm running the -demo kernel here... I needed it for dual pcmcia stupport |
| 11:51:18 | mace | nods.. have you used the usb network driver? |
| 11:52:31 | Tangent | mace : I've been using it since February |
| 11:52:51 | Tangent | mace : That's part of the standard fam0.4 kernel |
| 11:53:10 | mace | Tangent: does it still have the problem with syncronising the host and the ipaq? |
| 11:53:24 | Tangent | mace : What host kernel are you running? |
| 11:54:04 | mace | Tangent: 2.4.5 |
| 11:55:23 | mace | was hoping that if the driver was compiled into the kernel directly (ie. not as a module), then this would not be a problem |
| 12:03:44 | Tangent | mace : You wanna see what I do.... |
| 12:03:52 | Tangent | mace : here's the ipaq startup script.... |
| 12:04:33 | Tangent | modprobe sa1100_usb |
| 12:04:34 | Tangent | modprobe usb-eth |
| 12:04:35 | Tangent | ifconfig usbf 192.168.254.11 |
| 12:04:36 | Tangent | route add default gw 192.168.254.254 |
| 12:04:44 | Tangent | mace : And on the host I do... |
| 12:05:12 | Tangent | modprobe uhci && modprobe usbnet... |
| 12:05:19 | Tangent | Then connect the iPAQ to the host... |
| 12:05:21 | Tangent | and then... |
| 12:05:28 | Tangent | ifconfig usb0 192.168.254.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 12:05:29 | Tangent | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 12:05:30 | Tangent | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/proxy_arp |
| 12:05:31 | Tangent | route add 192.168.254.11 usb0 |
| 12:05:41 | Tangent | mace : This gets me running every time... |
| 12:05:52 | Tangent | mace : The host will loose it's settings whenever the cable is unplugged... |
| 12:06:12 | Tangent | mace : So I have the ifconfig usb0 bit in a small script that I just run manually whenever I plug the iPAQ in |
| 12:29:56 | mindrape | is there a way to detect when the ipaq goes into power down mode? |
| 12:30:17 | mindrape | i was wondering if the stowaway daemon can be killed and when it comes out of that mode, reload it |
| 12:31:53 | Tangent | mindrape : Yeah.. you can have powerdown/powerup scripts for the APM stuff... |
| 12:32:51 | mindrape | where would that be exactly? |
| 12:33:02 | owzleee | hi .. sorry for butting in, but do you know if the Targus stowaway k/b is supported in familiar |
| 12:33:18 | mindrape | yes it is |
| 12:33:48 | owzleee | fabulous... does it come as part of the kernel? |
| 12:35:05 | nikos | No, it's a seperate package/module. |
| 12:35:32 | nikos | Use of it is not "clean" either. As the serial port (the single one) is a bone of contention. |
| 12:35:49 | owzleee | in what way? |
| 12:36:02 | nikos | owzleee: Currently you have to kill getty and lose the root console to give stowd the serial port. |
| 12:36:14 | Tangent | mindrape : I don't know exactly where you'd need to put the scripts.. I just know that people keep asking, and getting told that |
| 12:37:47 | owzleee | aha - to be honest I have similarr probs with winCE and the serial - have to do a soft reset to get the k/b to release the port.. |
| 12:38:17 | nikos | owzleee: It's something we will work out over time. |
| 12:52:14 | Tangent | nikos : for the keyboard support, I just use two differnt runlevels |
| 12:52:28 | Tangent | and have an enrty of the keyboard in runlevel 3 in my inittab |
| 12:52:56 | Tangent | so to switch the keyboard on, I do an 'init 3' and to go back to the getty, I do an 'init 2' |
| 12:53:06 | nikos | Tangent: I think we are going to have to come up with a better solution than that in the long run. There will be many serial devices. But that works for now. |
| 12:53:37 | Tangent | nikos : Yeah... it's the technically correct solution, but I don't like it |
| 12:53:54 | Tangent | Need a better getty that can understand when a stowaway is plugged in |
| 12:54:39 | nikos | Tangent: I guess I need to read up on what init is intended "for". I guess I don't really know. |
| 12:57:45 | mace | hrms |
| 13:00:30 | mace | wonders if it's actually useful to run the two different types of fpe at the same time |
| 13:00:42 | mace | (or at least compile them in) |
| 13:03:01 | Tangent | mace : No.. nwfpe is the good one... fastFPE is just about good enough to get nwfpe loaded... |
| 13:03:10 | Tangent | mace : But fastFPE takes up much less space |
| 13:07:59 | mace | nods |
| 13:07:59 | mace | will remove fastfpe then |
| 13:09:56 | owzleee | thanks guys .. |
| 13:11:32 | nikos | mace: remove? |
| 13:11:50 | nikos | mace: I don't think that's a good idea. I don't remember the exact reason, but we have it compiled into the kernel for a reason. |
| 13:12:23 | mace | nikos: hmm, ok |
| 13:12:31 | nikos | mace: either: 1. nwfpe module will not load without fastfpe in the kernel or 2. Cardmgr starts before nwfpe is loaded and cardmgr needs FP for some reason. ONe of those if not both. |
| 13:13:11 | mace | nikos: i'm compiling nwfpe into the kernel |
| 13:13:11 | nikos | mace: I don't remember exactly. Feel free to experiment though. If you are using a newer kernel and cardmgr something may have changed. It's been a while since we discovered this. |
| 13:13:23 | nikos | mace: That will probably make it bigger than 512KB. |
| 13:13:41 | mace | nikos: hence why I made the kernel partition bigger than 512KB :-) |
| 13:13:51 | nikos | mace: Already, you should be fine then. |
| 13:13:57 | nikos | s/Already/Alright/ |
| 13:14:03 | mace | smiles |
| 13:14:32 | mace | wonders why he's getting unresolved references to dual_pcmcia_sleeve |
| 13:15:48 | nikos | mace: You might want to be discussing this on #handhelds.org where a bigger population (including people working on the kernel) will see it. |
| 13:18:57 | mace | nods |
| 13:19:06 | mace | wonders why he keeps getting disconnected |
| 13:20:41 | nikos | <-- mace has quit (Ping timeout for mace[angel.picsel.com]) |
| 13:21:39 | mace | ohs |
| 13:21:41 | mace | hrms |
| 13:21:49 | mace | one of those days, i guess |
| 14:50:27 | _HONKEY_ | hmm, now where is that apm script at |
| 15:17:22 | _HONKEY_ | any one know how one can kill a process before the ipaq powers down? |
| 15:17:28 | _HONKEY_ | and reload one up when it poweres back up? |
| 15:51:17 | sjohnson | is away: lunch |
| 16:28:39 | _HONKEY_ | anyone familar with apm runlevel for this distribution? |
| 16:46:08 | nelson | _HONKEY_: apm? |
| 16:46:57 | nelson | Ahhhh, I see, there is an apmd package. |
| 16:47:53 | nelson | apmd doesn't seem really useful, though, unless it handles automagically suspending after a period of inactivity. |
| 16:48:25 | nelson | For example, there's no way apmd can get control when someone presses the power button. The machine is going to suspend come hell or high water. |
| 17:02:36 | sjohnson | is back |
| 17:07:24 | nikos | nelson: I thought it was apmd that handled that suspension. |
| 17:09:31 | nikos | Afternoon bworth |
| 17:09:42 | bworth | nikos: hey, what's up! |
| 17:09:55 | nikos | bworth: Bought to find some munchies... |
| 17:10:05 | nikos | s/Bought/Bout/ |
| 17:10:13 | nikos | can't even get slang right... |
| 17:10:56 | bworth | nikos: finally got ppp working on my ipaq :) |
| 17:11:19 | nikos | bworth: Yes, I heard. :) |
| 17:11:34 | bworth | nikos: i installed qpe just to check it out for a few days, and then it's coming off |
| 17:12:52 | bworth | i'm going through an online python tutorial right now - my head hurts from everything I've crammed in it the last couple of weeks |
| 17:59:39 | sjohnson | is away: dentist appt |
| 18:18:42 | _HONKEY_ | uhm i thought apm handled the suspension |
| 18:18:43 | _HONKEY_ | apm -s |
| 18:19:25 | _HONKEY_ | i'm just wondering can i use a runlevel script to handle killing the stowd daemon upon suspension, and then reload it upon reactivation |
| 18:19:43 | _HONKEY_ | but i'm not sure which runlevel to put it at |
| 18:24:16 | mpakula | nikos: ;o) if i want to use my laptop as a simple network router for ipaq |
| 18:24:45 | mpakula | iptables -P forward accept is enough |
| 18:25:27 | mpakula | or I do have to specify more things like IPs and ports |
| 18:25:48 | nikos | mpakula: I'm afraid I'm no expert on iptables. |
| 18:28:58 | mpakula | anybody ? how to set up simple routing using iptables ? (ipchains -I forward -s <ip>/32 -j MASQ = iptables.....??) |
| 18:29:42 | nikos | I just use iptable -t nat -i eth0 -J MASQUERADE I think, where eth0 is my internet connection interface |
| 18:30:04 | nikos | and echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 18:30:19 | nikos | mpakula: That's rather insecure though I believe. |
| 18:30:33 | nikos | s/nat/NAT/ maybe |
| 18:32:16 | mpakula | nikos: and looks to complicated for simple routing ;) there must be simpler command I would think, well I'll keep experimenting |
| 18:32:30 | mpakula | is away... brb |
| 19:06:54 | finrod | hi all |
| 19:07:01 | bworth | hi |
| 19:13:49 | bworth | does anybody know about the mtdblkdev driver for using jffs2 on CF cards? is this available somewhere for download, or is it still being developed? I just got a 128MB CF card, and want to run JFFS2 on it, but don't know where to start. |
| 19:16:52 | Tangent | bworth : Yes... I know |
| 19:17:04 | Tangent | bworth : You start by taking to me at the moment |
| 19:17:19 | Tangent | bworth : As I'm currently the only person who has the relevant driver etc.. |
| 19:25:20 | finrod | how do I get the D-button to work with apps? |
| 19:26:27 | finrod | and why does the screen switch off as soon as I touch it after I return from suspend? |
| 19:26:50 | finrod | (I have to enter and return from suspend to fix it) |
| 19:27:44 | Nermal | finrod: mine does that |
| 19:27:56 | Nermal | its if I turn it off when the screensaver is on |
| 19:28:31 | nikos | finrod: That's a current bug involving a conflict between suspend and the screen saver. It's being fixed. |
| 19:33:18 | finrod | K cheers Nikos. btw what do I do with a modmap included with an app? |
| 19:33:36 | finrod | cos the D-button isnt doing what I expected it to do |
| 19:35:46 | nikos | finrod: I don't know. That involves more knowledge of the X Windows System than I currently have. |
| 19:36:41 | finrod | ok thnx |