| 00:13:15 | Tangent | The dual expansion is already out |
| 00:13:21 | Tangent | Mine arrived 6 days ago |
| 00:14:24 | Zugot | how much did you pay for it? |
| 00:14:36 | Zugot | I say it for $200 |
| 00:15:24 | Tangent | I paid 185 GB |
| 00:16:28 | Zugot | that about $270-300 american dollars? |
| 02:53:26 | bworth | hi all |
| 03:39:49 | bworth | dneur: hi |
| 04:57:41 | ghely | hola !! |
| 12:45:36 | bworth | can somebody post or send me the default /etc/X11/blackbox/blackbox-menu for familiar? I just re-installed x but have no menu in blackbox. |
| 12:53:57 | bworth | never mind - i found out how to rebuild the menu |
| 13:24:49 | hansen | Hi |
| 13:25:05 | hansen | Where do I find fdisk for Familiar 0.4? Which ipkg? |
| 16:28:16 | water | hola |
| 16:28:32 | water | now has a penguin-powered ipaq =) |
| 16:28:49 | Nermal | um |
| 16:28:54 | Nermal | yay |
| 16:28:54 | Nermal | :) |
| 16:29:00 | water | heh |
| 16:29:25 | water | and i thought that it was really funny that a tiny distro like this comes with 15 wm themes already :) |
| 16:29:26 | nikos | Cool |
| 16:29:39 | water | but i do have a question |
| 16:29:56 | nikos | shoot |
| 16:30:05 | water | the scribbler recognizer throws some weird control characters into the terminal app |
| 16:30:17 | nikos | What letters? |
| 16:30:20 | water | but the virtual kb does not... is this a known glitch or what? |
| 16:30:26 | water | hm |
| 16:30:28 | nikos | ^A? |
| 16:30:39 | water | no more like | |
| 16:30:53 | nikos | Hmm. |
| 16:31:11 | water | sets up the ipaq to start downloading more familiar stuff |
| 16:31:14 | Nermal | water: you do know it recognises grafitti and not normal normal handwriting ? |
| 16:31:31 | nikos | For what it's worth, the default recognizer (which I suspect you are using) is fscrib and we are switching to xstroke which is much more configurable. |
| 16:31:53 | water | yeah fscrib |
| 16:31:54 | nikos | water: I would recommend getting xstroke once you get networking up, it is in the packages. |
| 16:32:11 | water | nermal: of course and the characters DO reach the terminal |
| 16:32:15 | water | but.... |
| 16:32:39 | Nermal | hmmm |
| 16:32:44 | water | the "<-------" stroke which i would assume from experience with 5 other recognizers is backspace, does not do that |
| 16:32:58 | water | and if i stroke "a", "|a" shows up on the terminal |
| 16:33:52 | nikos | That's odd. |
| 16:34:21 | water | yeah |
| 16:34:33 | nikos | I've been using xstroke for sometime, so I don't remember fscrib all that well, but I don't remember that behaviour. |
| 16:34:34 | water | well anyway the kb works fine |
| 16:36:10 | water | are any of the hw buttons mapped to anything? |
| 16:36:52 | nikos | water: They do have X keysym (?) mappings, but I'm not sure if any of them are actually caught by anything by default. |
| 16:37:00 | water | hm |
| 16:38:00 | nikos | has to admit he hasn't used his ipaq much lately. |
| 17:01:01 | water | hm when using minicom, how do i get my terminal emulation setting right? |
| 17:01:29 | water | i'm still getting "^H"s for my backspace presses, whether i use ansi or vt102 |
| 17:58:26 | water | hm |
| 17:58:44 | water | shutdown now, reboot, etc were not working |
| 18:20:24 | water | wonders why more or less are not in the 0.4 distro |
| 19:00:08 | water | can someone answer a few questions about setting up networking on the ipaq? |
| 19:02:41 | Nermal | hmm? |
| 19:03:56 | water | i'm trying to get networking working on my ipaq through the serial connection |
| 19:04:13 | water | is that possible or do i need to get the CF ethernet card? |
| 19:04:36 | water | i've set up resolv.conf and my hostnames and hosts |
| 19:05:52 | water | unfortunately ipkg assumes networking is already working, and the familiar v0.4 don't go into networking at all |
| 19:06:07 | water | er... the familiar v0.4 install docs |
| 19:10:07 | water | hm n/m i found the right doc |
| 19:30:31 | esalazar | Do you have familiar installed? |
| 19:30:45 | water | yes |
| 19:31:02 | water | hm i set up ppp, now i'll try pinging |
| 19:31:50 | water | hrm |
| 19:32:10 | water | not responding... but the old ipaq config responds |
| 19:32:21 | water | ok i'm ignoring that other doc then |
| 19:32:59 | water | hm no good |
| 19:33:59 | esalazar | http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/PPPHowto |
| 19:34:01 | water | plays with /etc/ppp/peers/ipaq |
| 19:34:07 | esalazar | Is this the doc you are looking at? |
| 19:34:08 | water | yeah that didn't work |
| 19:34:11 | water | yes |
| 19:34:21 | esalazar | Huh. I did that exactly and it works fine for me. |
| 19:34:24 | water | i used the familiar mods, loaded the |
| 19:34:28 | water | grr |
| 19:34:46 | water | yeah it always works fine for the other guy when you have a problem :) |
| 19:34:54 | water | familiar 0.4? |
| 19:34:58 | esalazar | yes. |
| 19:35:17 | esalazar | When you run pppd call ipaq, what error do you get? |
| 19:35:20 | water | odd, ok what is your etc/ppp/peers/ipaq look like? |
| 19:35:49 | esalazar | -detach |
| 19:35:50 | water | SIGINT, Connection script failed |
| 19:35:50 | esalazar | noauth |
| 19:35:50 | esalazar | nocrtscts |
| 19:35:50 | esalazar | lock |
| 19:35:50 | esalazar | user ppp |
| 19:35:51 | esalazar | connect '/usr/sbin/chat -v -t3 ogin--ogin: ppp' |
| 19:35:55 | esalazar | 115200 |
| 19:35:57 | esalazar | 192.168.1.100:192.168.1.101 |
| 19:36:13 | water | the last two are your ip's? |
| 19:36:20 | water | oh shit, now i see |
| 19:36:25 | water | oops sorry for cursing |
| 19:36:32 | water | thanks much |
| 19:36:33 | esalazar | yes. wait, there is a line missing from what I just pasted |
| 19:36:55 | esalazar | after the connect... I have /dev/ttyS1 |
| 19:37:07 | esalazar | That is for my com2 |
| 19:37:55 | water | ok |
| 19:38:07 | water | which for me is cuaa0 |
| 19:38:10 | water | (bsd) |
| 19:40:17 | water | tries the connection again |
| 19:40:30 | water | hm ipv6 not supported |
| 19:41:06 | esalazar | You got an error message saying ipv6 not supported? |
| 19:42:09 | water | yes |
| 19:42:23 | water | ppp0: IPv6 not supported |
| 19:42:41 | water | doesn't return the prompt, and ping test doesn't work |
| 19:42:43 | water | er |
| 19:42:50 | water | the ping test just sort of blocks |
| 19:43:30 | water | hm |
| 19:43:48 | esalazar | Huh. BSD? I have no idea. PPP and networking might be set up totally different from linux. Do you have a /var/log/messages or something that could have more info? |
| 19:43:59 | water | resolv.conf should be set up the same way as the server, right? |
| 19:44:14 | water | yeah i'll look, was looking at something else first |
| 19:44:35 | esalazar | Oh. Do you have some sort of firewalling running on the computer you are connecting the ipaq to? |
| 19:44:54 | water | hm nothing in ppp.log |
| 19:44:58 | water | nope |
| 19:45:33 | water | i have a bsd box and an ibook (how's that for a combo ;) taking up 2 ip's on a cabelmodem server |
| 19:46:51 | esalazar | resolve.conf for the ipaq and your bds will be different. Resolve.conf for the ipaq should be empty unless you have nat or firewalling set up. |
| 19:47:12 | water | ok |
| 19:48:31 | water | makes this so and tries again |
| 19:50:13 | water | same error |
| 19:50:19 | water | connection script failed |
| 19:52:03 | water | hm one more time, having reverted all the ipaq /etc changes i made |
| 19:52:38 | water | is there a confirmation message i should look for? |
| 19:52:58 | water | starts the howto over |
| 19:53:22 | esalazar | [root@steve /root]# pppd call ipaq |
| 19:53:23 | esalazar | Serial connection established. |
| 19:53:23 | esalazar | Using interface ppp0 |
| 19:53:23 | esalazar | Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS1 |
| 19:53:23 | esalazar | Deflate (15) compression enabled |
| 19:53:24 | esalazar | not replacing existing default route to eth1 [10.0.0.1] |
| 19:53:25 | esalazar | local IP address 192.168.1.100 |
| 19:53:27 | esalazar | remote IP address 192.168.1.101 |
| 19:55:00 | water | k |
| 20:00:03 | water | bbiaf... taking a break |
| 20:42:10 | fad | anyone know how i change my terminal so it starts in bash instead of the defualt? bash is installed and working etc. |
| 20:52:05 | sjohnson | fad: change the /bin/sh link to point to /bin/bash - ln -sf /bin/bash /bin/sh |
| 20:52:18 | fad | um |
| 20:52:26 | fad | i changed it in /etc/passwd, is that bad? |
| 20:52:37 | water | heh |
| 20:52:45 | fad | should i change it back? |
| 20:53:00 | sjohnson | fad: no really. that just another way to do it. |
| 20:53:10 | fad | ah, k, cool |
| 20:53:23 | fad | is nikos around these days? |
| 20:53:40 | | nikos was last seen on #familiar 4 hours, 15 minutes and 40 seconds ago, saying: has to admit he hasn't used his ipaq much lately. [Sat Jun 30 17:38:00 2001] |
| 20:53:40 | sjohnson | ibot: seen nikos? |
| 20:53:53 | fad | is dense |
| 20:54:13 | fad | been living student lifestyle for week and mistaken for a first year uni student many times :) |
| 20:54:18 | fad | is 16 btw |
| 20:57:06 | esalazar | fad: If you use the unstable familiar (which as far as I can tell is more stable than the stable tree) And upgrad everything, it will do the sh->bash link for you. |
| 20:57:50 | fad | ah, hmm i havent updated in ages |
| 20:58:07 | fad | i go put /etc/passwd back to wat it was and upgrade |
| 20:58:35 | esalazar | Do you have your ipkg conf set to point at the unstable? |
| 21:00:50 | fad | yawp |
| 22:39:03 | esalazar | can someone recomment a good online retailer to buy ipaq accessories? |