irclog2html for familiar on 2001.07.04

03:05:14jblackdarn.
03:11:43jblackhi
03:12:06jacques_workhi
03:12:29jblackSo, I'm interested in familiar. :)
03:12:57jblackFrom what I read, bricking isn't common... but assuming everything went well, is it a reversable process?
03:13:45jblackI.E., can I go back a factory install?
03:14:29jacques_workjblack: yes, you can
03:14:43jblackCool! This is good!
03:14:45jacques_workjblack: tho it seems that more bricks are made going back than forward
03:15:10jblackUnderstandable. :)
03:15:32jacques_workthey are making the reverse process easier tho
03:15:40jacques_workthey have neat little scripts now
03:15:45jblackDo I need windows to go forward?
03:16:03jacques_workjblack: heh heh, well...
03:16:28jacques_workjblack: the first few steps are easiest if you have a windows machine with working activestink
03:16:40jblackOk. I can come up with that.
03:16:43jacques_workjblack: but I have done two installs using only linux - tho it's more convoluted
03:17:49jblackI'll stick with windows to do it then.
03:18:02jacques_workok, that's cool
03:18:04jblackWhere is the information for backing it all up?
03:18:16jblackwait. I know. lemme check docs. :)
03:18:23jacques_workftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/linux/dists/compaq/ipaq/v0.20/install.html
03:18:25jblackNope.
03:18:35jacques_workthat's the bootldr first time install docs
03:18:39jblacklooking
03:18:51jacques_workit talks about saving the four 4MB flash images
03:19:14jacques_workmake sure md5sums are right before flashing bootldr
03:19:41jacques_workthere are lots of different rom sets out there now, so there is a page somwhere keeping track of them all
03:22:24jblackI think I'm gonna do this. ;)
03:22:49jacques_workjblack: great, you should also join #handhelds.org - more ppl hang out there
03:22:58jblackI just can't enjoy life without ssh, mutt and lynx
03:23:07jacques_workheh
03:23:26jblackI'll visit thre some time.
03:23:37jblackI assume that nifty record button doesn't have use yet?
03:24:20jacques_workwell it's just a button to linux
03:24:34jacques_workyou could assign it to one of the audio recording programs
03:25:22jblackWill I be happy with the builtin ram, or should I expect to get a 64mb cf?
03:26:00dtmf64's are overpriced
03:26:10jacques_workjblack: you mean th Flash?
03:26:22jacques_workjblack: it depends on what you want to do
03:26:27jblackYeah. the CF flash roms.
03:26:42jblackflash rams. compact flash mem cards
03:27:11jacques_workjblack: you can fit a lot in a compressed 16MB file system
03:27:20jacques_workjblack: personally I have a microdrive
03:27:35jblackhow much do those run?
03:28:10jacques_workjblack: i got mine for $500 in sept (1GB) but someone here recently got the same one for like $360
03:28:27jblackwow
03:28:42jblackSo I assume they use pcmcia. :)
03:29:24jblackwow.
03:29:33jblackThat's a cf form factor on the ibm site
03:29:39bdkearnsyeah
03:30:12jblackOh, I gotta get me one of those. ;)
03:30:33jblackThey eat the battery up?
03:30:40bdkearnsyeap
03:31:04bdkearnsbut, anything does, really
03:31:46jblackHow long do you normally get with everything going under heavy use?
03:32:53jacques_workjblack: the udrive is CF form but it's better to use it in the PCMCIA sleeve because of the battery
03:33:26jblackI didn't know the pcmcia sleeves have batteries. I haven't picked up one of those yet. :)
03:33:33jacques_workjblack: I have gotten 6 hours wuth PCMCIA sleeve and udrive
03:33:51jacques_workjblack: yes, pcmcia sleeve has same batt as ipaq, dual sleeve has 2 batts
03:34:08jblackAhhhhhh.
03:34:32jacques_workipaq can draw from sleeve batt
03:34:37jblackSo I'd want to go dual sleve so I could have both the microdrive and my nic or serial card (to hook up to my cell phone)
03:35:12jacques_workjblack: that's my goal - dual sleeves only just became available in US
03:36:40jblackApparently the dual sleeve doesn't work under linux yet, as of may 18?
03:37:04jblackJamey.Hicks@compaq.com said that one....
03:38:08jacques_workjblack: it still needs work, but it's mostly working with the 2.4.4 demo kernel
03:38:19jacques_workjblack: Tangent has one and got it mostly working
03:39:40jblackI think this is starting to get really expensive. $340 here, $xxx there....
03:40:12jblackmaybe I'll stick with standard footprint for now. :)
03:40:24jacques_workjblack: hmm, nobody said it wasn't  :-)
03:40:36jblackTrue that. :)
03:41:04jblackbut I'm still getting really weird looks from the wife... ;)
03:41:35jacques_workfor me it was $500 ipaq, $40 serial cradle, $40 CF sleeve, $150 PCMCIA sleeve, $500 udrive
03:41:57jacques_workgood think I've had more fun playing with this than any other toy I can remember
03:42:26jblackI payed $600 for my ipaq, but I came with the cf sleeve, and (unfortunately) a usb cradle.
03:43:05jacques_workjblack: yeah, mine too.
03:43:23jacques_workjblack: I finally started getting use out of the usb cradle with usbnet, and it rocks
03:44:14jblackOk then. Tomorrow is the day. :)
03:44:46jblackBe nice to leave the ipaq in the cradle, and ssh to it from my laptop when I'm home.
03:45:35jblackand from it when I'm not. :)
03:45:40jacques_workjblack: I am sshed into my ipaq over dsl from work
03:46:29jblackYou used mutt on the ipaq?
03:47:38jacques_worknope, but don;t see why it shouldn't work
03:48:50jblackI guess I'm wondering more about rxvt.
03:49:57jblackNever mind. stupid question.I was gonna ask what x * y was in rxvt
03:50:40jblackohhhh. vim. :)
03:51:47jacques_workdepends on your font size and screen orientation
03:51:55jblackYou can change orientation?
03:51:57jblackOh MAN
03:52:06jblackI am so gonna do this tomorrow. :)
03:52:12jacques_workjblack: yes, now we can change to any of the four orientations
03:54:43jacques_workjblack: with the new xrandr extention to X, you can change the orientation on the fly
03:54:52jblackSo I figure about a 60 character width.
03:55:17jacques_workjblack: please see http://intimate.handhelds.org/screens.shtml
03:56:24jblackOh, I didn't see this before.
03:58:55jacques_worksee what?
03:59:46jblackOh, the screenshots page I came to before only had about 6 examples.
03:59:57jblacklooks like you get a full 80x25
04:00:32jacques_workjblack: yes, that is with a 4x6 font
04:00:43jacques_workjblack: those are Intimate screenshots
04:02:06jblackOk. Definitely. :)
04:04:07jblackOh! Evil thought. :)
04:04:12jblackAnyone done x2x with 2 ipaqs yet?
04:05:57jblackand intimate even uses debian.
04:05:58jblackwow
04:06:07jblackor is it just apt?
04:06:41jblackAre you an intimate developer?
04:07:45jacques_workyes I am
04:08:09jacques_workintimate i about 92% pure debian ARM
04:15:48jblackso, does sound work?
04:16:55jblackJacque, thank you so much for this
04:18:06jblackYou guys are unbelievable. Wow.
04:21:31jacques_workjblack: yes sound works as long as the app supports the same sample rates as the ipaq hardware
04:22:16jacques_workjblack: glad you like it. personally I have not done too much of the work. :-)
04:22:46jblackNo, but you do work on it, and that's something worthy of a hearty thank-you, no?
04:23:17jacques_workjblack: heh, well you;re welcome then :-)
04:23:32jblackOh, the screenshot confusion. I was looking at familier screenshots (since I'll have ot stick with that for awhile).
04:24:26jblackWhere is the repository of the packages? I'd like to see what has already been done. :)
04:25:59jblacknever mind
04:26:14jacques_workjblack: repository of rfamiliar packages?
04:28:22jblackYeah. Found it.
04:29:06jblackOh, I know what I'll port. :) Crawl. :)
04:30:28jacques_workcrawl?
04:30:42jblackThink nethack
04:32:58jacques_workjblack: ah, cool
04:33:16jacques_workjblack: actually, someone has ported nethack with a QT/e interface
04:34:41jblackI'm a bit of a console jockey myself.
04:34:56jacques_workcool
04:34:59jblackI'd be perfectly happy with a framebuffer and my six consoles. :)
04:35:36jacques_workthen you should get involved in the work to support smaller fonts and TS input in console mode on the ipaq
04:36:04jblackI might try that, though I'd probably be more of a drag than a help. :)
04:36:49jacques_workjblack: not many ppl are using the text console on ipaq - most ppl are using X or QT/e
04:37:00jblackbut imagine. That saves maybe 5 megs of ram. :)
04:37:09jacques_workjblack: but I know there are several ppl who want to see it be much more usable (including me)
04:37:20jblackjacques: I'm sure. I know I'm a dying breed. :)
04:37:41jacques_workit neds to support arbitrary fonts, and have text recognition
04:37:45jacques_workppl are working o nboth
04:38:37jblackthink. the svgalib port would be easy. :)
04:38:59jblackwell, not really, but at least there would be only one resolution and color depth to worry about. :)
04:39:54jblackWelp, I'm off to bed. Thanks for all the time. :)
04:40:08jblackI have to get to sleep, since i have a date with familiar tomorrow. :)
04:41:38jacques_workjblack: ok, nice talkig to you
06:43:08pasadenadudehello
11:19:30xougHi
11:21:31xougWhere I can find the source of the kernel 2.4.3-rmk?-np?
13:14:08swhi
14:26:40grescohi
16:09:11DrgnEgleG'morning all
16:09:29nikosHi
16:10:21DrgnEglehas anyone ever build a kernel for an ipaq?
16:11:26Kerowrong question
16:11:50DrgnEgle?
16:12:28Kero"How many kernels have guys you built for your iPAQ? And for your friends'?"
16:12:35nikosDrgnEgle: Clearly someone has. ;)  Do you have a question?
16:13:01DrgnEgleI'm just wondering If it can be done from the raw kernel source without too many problems
16:13:23Kerocross compiling a linux kernel is easy.
16:13:47DrgnEgleAny additional patches _necessary_ ?
16:14:07nikosDrgnEgle: Just get your sources from the handhelds.org CVS.
16:14:11DrgnEgle's scarred
16:14:15KeroYou do want to get code from handhelds.org!
16:14:48Kerothat's triple-patched, actually.
16:15:42DrgnEglelatetest I've seen in cvs was 2.4.0 is there a way to get a later one?
16:16:30Kero2.4.3 for familiar 0.4
16:16:39nikos?
16:16:48Kero2.4.5-rmk7-np1 in CVS
16:16:48nikosHandhelds.org CVS goes well into 2.4.5
16:17:12nikosDrgnEgle: I would spend a ltitle time with viewcvs interface I think.
16:17:28Keronikos: default kernel when I installed 0.4, assuming the ipkg didn't upgrade
16:17:29DrgnEgleI'm in the viewcvs interface now.
16:27:50DrgnEgleKero: OK I'm gonna do this, anything I need to keep in mind?
16:28:28KeroYou have an arm gcc?
16:28:44DrgnEgleThe entire toolchain is in place and functional
16:28:58Kerois it in your PATH /after/ regular gcc?
16:29:19DrgnEgleIt will be in a minute
16:30:04KeroThen you can type the regular `make xconfig && make dep && make zImage && make modules` in a minute
16:30:10Keroalways make a zImage.
16:30:29DrgnEgleso a bzImage won't work?
16:30:33Keroput everything possible in modules to keep zImage below 512 kByte
16:30:41KerobzImage won't work.
16:31:37DrgnEgleMost of the config should be done comming form handhelds cvs, correct?
16:31:44Kerothinks default settings in .config (as in CVS) are quite OK for the 512 kByte limit (but not 100% sure)
16:32:55DrgnEglethx
16:33:09DrgnEgleis hoping the moonphase is right for kernel reconstruction
16:33:48Kerocan not remember other funny details for compiling a kernel for iPAQ.
16:34:15Keroof course: it is CVS, so the kernel may not worl at all :/
16:34:23Kerowork, even
16:35:06DrgnEgleI'm hoping  if it doesn't work, I can reflash my old kernel :-}
16:35:43Keroyup!
16:35:47Kerogood luck!
16:36:02Kerois gonna make himself dinner.
16:36:14DrgnEgleThx, here we go.
16:38:08jblackHi all. Today is put linux on the ipaq day for me! :)
16:38:27jblackFigured independance day would be a suitable one. :)
16:40:20Keronot celebrating it? or is this your way of celebrating?
16:41:51DrgnEgleKere: quick dinner?
16:45:53KeroDrgnEgle: incremental cooking.
16:46:02DrgnEgle:-)
16:51:25DrgnEglels
16:51:51DrgnEgleis still waiting for the day a window will take focus just by looking at it
16:52:18KeroHeh.
16:52:24KeroThe military can do it, afaik.
16:53:06DrgnEgleBig Blue is still working on the technology, I think it;s in early beta
16:54:56Kerohm, who says military need ibm...
16:55:34DrgnEgleGee, wish I had something like that when I was enlisted :-)
16:55:34Kerosaw a documentary about this some years ago, iirc
23:22:45mellie_'llo all.. thought i'd come by here and tell that ppl working on familiar have done a great job!... no more WinCE for me ;)

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