| 00:15:51 | mutex | has anybody here tried Qt embedded enviornment ? |
| 02:08:28 | DrgnEgle | hey, all |
| 02:19:25 | DrgnEgle | would someone be able to tell me which cvs tag I need to grab to get the source for the kernel that ships with familiar 4.0, there are 5 different 2.4.3 tags |
| 02:21:28 | DrgnEgle | er 0.40 |
| 03:22:17 | sjohnson | is back (gone 03:42:57) |
| 03:41:43 | blended_hiking | is back (gone 06:23:08) |
| 08:02:41 | blended | imagines ... rpm -Uvh dotNet-server-1.0-ms.1.i686.rpm |
| 10:35:18 | dglaude | having trouble to get connectivity from familiar 0.4 to Win2K using PPP over serial. |
| 10:36:46 | dglaude | Anybody had success setting up IP connectivity from familiar to Win2K? |
| 10:41:59 | dglaude | Anybody here? |
| 10:52:03 | dglaude | ^G |
| 10:52:06 | dglaude | Beep |
| 14:39:30 | nikos | is away: Errands |
| 14:43:57 | ipaq_fan | mutex-work: Did you get pocketlinux built yet? |
| 14:44:20 | mutex-work | ipaq_fan: no, i'm going to try here at work in a little bit... and i'm going to try Qt embedded |
| 14:44:39 | ipaq_fan | Oh |
| 14:45:29 | mutex-work | i dunno, i still don't find pocket linux incredibly useful... at least the 1.0 |
| 14:46:24 | ipaq_fan | Well you can easily add to it! |
| 14:46:30 | ipaq_fan | If you know java |
| 14:46:34 | ipaq_fan | ;) |
| 14:46:36 | mutex-work | i do ;-) |
| 14:51:17 | mutex-work | ipaq_fan: is the spec for the ipaq video device published ? |
| 15:17:12 | sjohnson | is away: lunch |
| 15:20:12 | nikos | is back |
| 15:26:04 | mutex-work | hmmm "load root" is no longer working for me |
| 15:26:34 | nikos | mutex-work: Check partition show |
| 15:27:42 | mutex-work | i assume i should see something named root |
| 15:27:53 | mutex-work | all i have is bootldr, params, kernel |
| 15:28:07 | nikos | Right |
| 15:28:20 | mutex-work | oh i found a line i missed |
| 15:28:23 | mutex-work | in the howto |
| 15:28:51 | mutex-work | it was hiding.. that sneaky sneaky line |
| 16:12:21 | mutex-work | is there anything different one has to do when loading bootstrap instead of complete ? |
| 16:13:10 | nikos | mutex-work: See the familiar installation documentation. |
| 16:13:21 | nikos | mutex-work: It is written with bootstrap in mind. |
| 16:13:50 | mutex-work | nikos: well i installed complete yesterday, and today i tried bootstrap and jffs2 eats it on boot |
| 16:14:06 | mutex-work | Warning: unable to open an initial console. Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. Chip reports improper command sequence: status 0xa200a2 Erase at 0x00000000 failed immediately: -5 |
| 16:14:40 | nikos | mutex-work: I would suggest checking md5sums and all your configuration steps. I've never installed anything but bootstrap. |
| 16:15:26 | mutex-work | hmm good idea |
| 16:17:40 | mutex-work | nikos: have you tried Qt embedded ? |
| 16:18:14 | nikos | mutex-work: No |
| 16:58:14 | mutex-work | any idea what the following means: |
| 16:58:21 | mutex-work | Jul 9 10:59:39 dbryson2-lnx pppd[8819]: pppd 2.4.0 started by dbryson, uid 0 |
| 16:58:21 | mutex-work | Jul 9 10:59:40 dbryson2-lnx chat[8820]: expect (ogin) |
| 16:58:21 | mutex-work | Jul 9 10:59:43 dbryson2-lnx chat[8820]: alarm |
| 16:58:21 | mutex-work | Jul 9 10:59:43 dbryson2-lnx chat[8820]: send (^M) |
| 16:58:21 | mutex-work | Jul 9 10:59:43 dbryson2-lnx chat[8820]: expect (ogin:ppp) |
| 16:58:28 | mutex-work | o |
| 16:58:34 | mutex-work | i'm not sure what alarm means |
| 17:00:27 | nikos | Try asking in #handhelds.org, I have no idea. I've not used ppp in a long time. |
| 17:19:36 | sjohnson | is away: I'm busy. |
| 17:19:45 | sjohnson | is back (gone 00:00:03) |
| 17:26:17 | esalazar | Anyone use imtimate here? I just booted for the first time and X didn't start. I just have a couple boot messages and then nothing. I was able to connect via serial cable and it looks like intimate is running but no X. |
| 17:26:44 | nikos | esalazar: See #intimate |
| 17:27:00 | esalazar | nikos: no one there. :0 |
| 17:27:21 | nikos | no one? |
| 17:27:27 | nikos | Tangent is there at least. |
| 17:28:53 | esalazar | nikos: well, no one who is answering |
| 17:29:36 | nikos | esalazar: Then I would recommend moving up the tree to #handhelds.org then. |
| 17:29:50 | esalazar | nikos: thanks. |
| 18:15:37 | mutex-work | man this Qt palm is pretty cool! |
| 18:18:54 | sven_ch | don't you miss the x window system? |
| 18:20:50 | mutex-work | no |
| 18:20:51 | mutex-work | not really |
| 18:21:06 | mutex-work | i didnt' find familiar to be incredibly useful |
| 18:21:11 | mutex-work | or attractive looking |
| 18:21:21 | sven_ch | have you tried elisa? |
| 18:21:44 | mutex-work | hmm no, what's that ? |
| 18:22:33 | sven_ch | qt implementation, too. german distributor www.elisa.de |
| 18:22:36 | nikos | Let me just clarify for the umpteenth mullion time that Familiar is a distribution, QT is a GUI library (and in this case a windowing system). Whether you are using X or QT, you are still using Familiar. |
| 18:23:01 | mutex-work | yes i know, but i just really thought blackbox is ugly, i'm sorry i just don't like it.. never have never will |
| 18:23:59 | nikos | Fine, we don't use blackbox anymore either. We use ion. But the fact of the matter is that QPE leverages work we've spent a lot of time on and has many man-hours ahead of us on GUI stuff because of this. |
| 18:24:22 | mutex-work | i understand that, pocketlinux does the same thing |
| 18:25:33 | sven_ch | what is blackbox and ion? |
| 18:26:21 | mutex-work | sven_ch: blackbox is a window manager, i assume ion is too |
| 18:26:24 | nikos | Window Managers |
| 18:27:02 | sven_ch | but they're both not based on x-window? |
| 18:27:14 | mutex-work | no they both are |
| 18:28:04 | sven_ch | Could you tell me what the difference between intimate and QT is, please? |
| 18:28:15 | mutex-work | Qt is a widget API |
| 18:28:35 | mutex-work | intimate is a disto build around familiar, it's full blown debian on a handheld |
| 18:30:14 | sven_ch | Has the ipaq has enough power for all this (playing doom p.a) on a "full blown" debian? |
| 18:30:28 | nikos | sven_ch: What do you mean by power? |
| 18:30:33 | mutex-work | well i'm not sure i haven't tried it, but you most definatly need extra space |
| 18:31:12 | sven_ch | nikos: cpu, ram, speed in general |
| 18:31:32 | sven_ch | nikos: compared to a desktop-pc |
| 18:31:38 | nikos | sven_ch: The Ipaq has a 206 MHZ processor and as much as 64MB RAM, depending on the model. |
| 18:31:52 | nikos | sven_ch: The only serious limitation is a lack of hardware FPU. |
| 18:32:20 | nikos | sven_ch: Of course, as mutex-work points out, Intimate requires considerably more storage space. Such as a microdrive or NFS mount. |
| 18:32:43 | sven_ch | nikos: Have you ever tried it? |
| 18:32:53 | nikos | sven_ch: Intimate? |
| 18:33:00 | sven_ch | nikos: yes |
| 18:33:04 | nikos | sven_ch: No. |
| 18:33:56 | sven_ch | nikos: With what kind of processor of the intel/pc world can I compare this 206 MHZ processor of the ipaq? |
| 18:35:10 | nikos | sven_ch: Not sure, probably a Pentium if you drop FP support. |
| 18:35:51 | sven_ch | what do you know about the yopy? |
| 18:36:08 | nikos | Little |
| 18:36:51 | sven_ch | and about other linux-distributions" |
| 18:37:01 | sven_ch | for the ipaq? |
| 18:37:06 | nikos | Like what? |
| 18:37:43 | nikos | Its false to consider most of the other things distributions, since they are just software installed on the top of Familiar or Familiar's predecessor the HH distribution. |
| 18:38:08 | sven_ch | aha, everything is based on familiar? |
| 18:38:30 | nikos | Perhaps not everything, but certainly QPE and PocketLinux are. |
| 18:40:56 | sven_ch | Do you know the Century Software Embedded Environment? Microwindows? |
| 18:41:33 | nikos | Again, that is also installed on top of either Familiar or the HH distribution. I've never used it. |
| 18:42:22 | sven_ch | I think, I understand the logic now. Thanks for you help. |
| 18:42:29 | nikos | Sure |
| 18:44:29 | mutex-work | nikos: has anybody looked into GtkFB ? |
| 18:45:34 | nikos | mutex-work: I don't know. The base Familiar developers have long since decided to use the X Windows System, so it is of no interest to us. |
| 18:45:40 | sjohnson | BBrox: Hey! |
| 18:46:12 | BBrox | 'lo people |
| 18:49:24 | mutex-work | is there anyplace to find hardware specs/descriptions about the ipaq ? |
| 18:50:26 | nikos | http://handhelds.org/Compaq/iPAQH3600/index.html |
| 19:15:20 | mutex-work | nikos: thanks, that's exactly what i was lookin for |
| 19:19:48 | mutex-work | nikos: does X have any kind of hardware fb accel for the ipaq's controller ? |
| 19:22:01 | sjohnson | mutex-work: The x server uses ARM framebuffer device in the kernel. |
| 19:22:22 | mutex-work | oh ok |
| 19:23:29 | nikos | mutex-work: The ipaq Framebuffer is fast. But the definition of a Framebuffer precludes so-called "acceleration". |
| 19:25:24 | mutex-work | to build things on an ipaq is it easier to cross compile or nfs mount gcc for example |
| 19:25:31 | mutex-work | is full of questions |
| 19:25:53 | nikos | Depends on the project. But native development is usually easier, but clearly tends to be much slower. |
| 19:26:27 | kirma | I always thought that "framebuffer" would be just one attribute of the graphics subsystem... attribute that display memory can be accessed as one continuous region like normal memory... |
| 19:26:50 | kirma | not really excluding acceleration. but yes, there's no acceleration in case of SA-1110 |
| 19:27:00 | nikos | kirma: Yes, that's probably more accurate. |
| 19:27:28 | nikos | The nice thing about the ipaq framebuffer is that it runs at the speed of system RAM I believe. So it is rather faster than the standard framebuffer. |
| 19:27:48 | mutex-work | interesting |
| 19:28:00 | mutex-work | regular fb sucks, gotta use it on my PPC all the time |
| 19:28:01 | kirma | recalls the pain of banked display memory on times of VGA and such |
| 19:28:40 | kirma | low resolution doesn't require as much bandwidth as high resolution |
| 19:28:48 | sjohnson | Also a little realized fact is that one can use the Xfbdev X Server and use it on your desktop system. |
| 19:29:11 | kirma | nikos: to my knowledge, the ipaq framebuffer is hosted on system RAM |
| 19:30:00 | nikos | kirma: Yes, that's more or less what I meant. ;) |
| 19:31:10 | kirma | if I haven't totally misunderstood, it is possible to have different configurations on SA-1110... although I can't think any other differences than bus width practically :) |
| 19:34:24 | mutex-work | toolchain is a set of libs/bins compiled on arm right ? |
| 19:38:20 | Cameron | Hello :) |
| 19:39:16 | sjohnson | mutex-work: Sort of. It a set of lib/bins that generate binaries. gcc, etc. on you desktop are toolchain |
| 19:44:52 | sjohnson | needs a good nights sleep. He's getting loopy. |