| 00:47:31 | sjohnson | mutex: 'Evening |
| 00:48:51 | mutex | sjohnson: sup |
| 00:49:28 | sjohnson | Not much. Bored. Nothing on TV and channels are quiet. |
| 01:49:23 | jeffrey_go | who know what is "IIRC v0.1" which support X Scribble in familiar? |
| 01:50:58 | sjohnson | jeffrey_go: I don't understand your question. |
| 01:59:10 | jeffrey_go | in OSDN Handheld Months: An Interview with Alex Guy of Familiar |
| 01:59:11 | jeffrey_go | OSDN Handheld Months: An Interview with Alex Guy of Familiar |
| 01:59:12 | jeffrey_go | sjohnson:in An Interview with Alex Guy of Familiarthe Article:say :The full screen derivative called ``fscrib'' has been supported since IIRC v0.1. I don't know what's IIRC v0.1? |
| 01:59:48 | sjohnson | IIRC is shorthand for "If I Recall Correctly" |
| 02:00:58 | sjohnson | jeffrey_go: There is currently fscribe and xstroke recognizers. fscribe has modes xstoke of mode-less and both are full screen. |
| 02:09:03 | jeffrey_go | sjohnson: my ipaq running familiar, but it's screen touch pen have no exact with my touch? |
| 02:09:48 | sjohnson | jeffrey_go: You have to calibrate your screen. Menu->Configure->Toush Screen->Calibrate. |
| 02:11:12 | jeffrey_go | sjohnson:I calibrate it now!! |
| 02:11:45 | sjohnson | jeffrey_go: Once you have a good calibration. Save it. |
| 02:14:00 | jeffrey_go | sjohnson:it's ok, thanks!! |
| 02:18:08 | jeffrey_go | sjohnson:do you know where can I to find detail feature (eg.kernel & include package) of familiar? |
| 02:20:06 | zmc | I've heard of a kingston 2gb drive (cf/pcmcia) but I can't find it on pricewatch... anyone know where I can find one? |
| 02:20:52 | bdkearns | isn't that a pcmcia form factor one? |
| 02:21:07 | zmc | bdkearns: I really don |
| 02:21:27 | zmc | 't know.. I just heard that kingston had a 2gb drive and someone had one in their ipaq. |
| 02:21:29 | sjohnson | jeffrey_go: 'ipkg list' will list the packages available. |
| 02:22:05 | sjohnson | jeffrey_go: But any program that is compiles for ARM should run under familiar. |
| 02:23:00 | bdkearns | you could try searching w/ google |
| 02:23:45 | zmc | bdkearns: ok, thanks. |
| 02:24:02 | zmc | bdkearns: Do you know of anything bigger than 2gb on the market? |
| 02:24:43 | bdkearns | No, I heaven't really researched... |
| 02:25:01 | bdkearns | haven't |
| 02:25:13 | sjohnson | zmc: Toshiba has announce a 5 GB card. |
| 02:26:21 | jeffrey_go | sjohnson:oh,qt application can running familiar? |
| 02:27:07 | sjohnson | jeffrey_go: You ahve to load the qpe packages before you can do that. |
| 02:27:31 | zmc | sjohnson: I didn't think that was on the market though... |
| 02:28:24 | sjohnson | zmc: I don't know any more. i just read a newsbit about it on www.infosync.no |
| 02:29:32 | zmc | sjohnson: Do you know if there are any issues with the 64mb version of the ipaq? |
| 02:30:07 | sjohnson | zmc: Not that I know of. Familar and initmate should work OK. |
| 02:30:16 | jeffrey_go | sjohnson:you mean that I with qpe to replace blackbox window management? |
| 02:30:34 | bdkearns | zmc: you shouldn't have to change anything with the newest bootldr, IIRC |
| 02:30:43 | zmc | sjohnson: Do you think that there would be a performance increase? |
| 02:30:48 | bdkearns | older bootldrs may require mem boot param |
| 02:30:50 | sjohnson | jeffrey_go: I think that your have to remove X and install QPE in it's place. |
| 02:30:56 | bdkearns | Decrase, when writing to flash |
| 02:31:20 | bdkearns | Decrease |
| 02:31:24 | bdkearns | I can't type ... |
| 02:31:35 | sjohnson | zmc: vs a same memory load on a 32MB, yes. |
| 02:31:49 | bdkearns | err doh, and I can't think either |
| 02:31:52 | zmc | bdkearns: So since I'm planning to get an external storage to run intimate I'd be better off with the 32mb ver? |
| 02:31:55 | bdkearns | sorry, ignore previous comment |
| 02:32:04 | zmc | bdkearns: hehe ok. |
| 02:32:06 | bdkearns | I was thinking about flash upgrades |
| 02:32:10 | bdkearns | not ram :) |
| 02:33:04 | sjohnson | zmc: You got the usual memory performance considerations as a desktop Linux system. |
| 02:33:36 | zmc | hehe ok.. I'm finalizing my list of purchases. I'll prob be placing my orders tomarrow. |
| 02:33:37 | sjohnson | Just think as the IPAQ as a really compact laptop computer. |
| 02:33:43 | zmc | is very excited. |
| 02:33:53 | bdkearns | 64 meg ram won't hurt :) |
| 02:34:37 | sjohnson | zmc: At least you have a descent supply of IPAQs. I has to search for weeks at the beginning of the year before I found one to buy. |
| 02:35:18 | zmc | sjohnson: Yick. It's nice to see them doing well though. |
| 02:35:36 | bdkearns | yeah, it finally seems they can get the supplies they need to build them |
| 02:37:18 | zmc | I was looking into all of the stuff that people have gotten running under intimate.. It's pretty amazing. |
| 02:37:39 | bdkearns | yeah, it's really a full system |
| 02:37:48 | bdkearns | not an 'appliance' |
| 02:38:20 | pkomarek | The only place this is a problem, is when explaining why you "need" it instead of a Palm... |
| 02:38:54 | zmc | bdkearns: Yea I got A visor when they first came out, because I was expectimg more than a palmpilot with all the modules and stuff, but prices never dropped and programmming a visor to do anything cool is horrid. |
| 02:41:21 | nelson | zmc: I just ordered a 3670 and pcmcia sleeve from buy.com |
| 02:42:01 | zmc | nelson: How much? |
| 02:42:37 | jeffrey_go | sjohnson: I installed " task-familiar-complete.jffs2", how to remove tiny-X server, ? |
| 02:43:22 | sjohnson | jeffrey_go: You using ipkg to remove the individual packages 'ipkg remove <package-name>' |
| 02:50:06 | nelson | zmc: hmmm... order confirmation doesn't say, but I also got a $25 off certificate. |
| 02:50:32 | nelson | 625 + 140 + 11 shipping - 25 off, as I recall. |
| 02:50:33 | jeffrey_go | sjohnson:I try to remove it now........... |
| 02:51:00 | zmc | nelson: Anyways I'm going to get a dual pcmcia sleeve so I can fit the 2gb kingston drive I just found and a 10/100 ethernet card. |
| 02:53:21 | zmc | Anyone know if there is a way to upgrade the 32mbRAM paq to the 64mb later? |
| 02:54:10 | sjohnson | zmc: There are a couple of companies that offer services to update RAM and/or Flash memory. |
| 02:54:25 | nelson | zmc: yes, but it costs a fair bit above the list price because you have to send it to a rework house. |
| 02:54:39 | sjohnson | There is a review of one company on www.the-gadgeteer.com. |
| 02:55:33 | zmc | Hmm.. 614bux vs 444bux = 170 for 32meg of ram. |
| 02:57:45 | zmc | Does anyone know if the H3670 has the right cable for installing linux, or do I not need to worry about it since I'm getting the ethernet card? |
| 02:57:57 | jeffrey_go | sjohnson: I just only to remove " xserver-tiny-h3600" package? then install qpe to run qt Application.right? |
| 02:58:00 | zmc | cable = cradle |
| 02:59:25 | sjohnson | jeffrey_go: You may need to remove some of the X libaries also. the main thing is to few up space so you can install qpe. |
| 03:10:43 | jeffrey_go | sjohnson:do you know what size be satisfied QPE? now,I removed xserver ok! I do't know beside xserver-tiny-h3600,which are the x libraries be removed? would you prompt me |
| 03:13:10 | sjohnson | jeffrey_go: do a 'ipkg status | grep x'. that will list most of the packags related to X. Just remove enough until you have around 2.5-5 megabyes of free space. |
| 03:15:45 | pkomarek | ipot: where are itsy fonts? |
| 03:15:49 | pkomarek | doh! |
| 03:15:55 | | bugger all, i dunno, pkomarek |
| 03:15:55 | pkomarek | ibot: where are itsy fonts? |
| 03:15:56 | jeffrey_go | sjohnson: ok, I do it! but what command can show free space? |
| 03:16:28 | sjohnson | df |
| 03:17:12 | sjohnson | The Available column is you free space. It's the number of 1K blocks your have free. |
| 03:17:25 | zmc | Is there a cf slot on the ipaq or do I need a sleeve/expansion pack |
| 03:18:11 | sjohnson | zmc: Some of the new IPAQ Models some a CF sleeve, but I don't know what they are. |
| 03:19:07 | zmc | sjohnson: ok but the flash that they refer to that is in the ipaq (16mb on the 3650) is not really a cf card then? |
| 03:20:42 | sjohnson | zmc: Correct. The base iPAQ itself doen't have any sort of exansion slots. |
| 03:20:59 | zmc | sjohnson: Ahh ok thanks. |
| 03:22:37 | zmc | join #handhelds.org |
| 03:22:54 | zmc | join #handhelds.org |
| 03:23:11 | zmc | Sorry :) |
| 03:30:20 | jeffrey_go | sjohnson: df show:/dev/mtdblock/3 15360 12928 2432 85% / --- ramfs 15464 148 15316 1% /mnt/ramfs, qpe will be placed in /dev/mtdblock/3 or ramfs? |
| 03:31:15 | sjohnson | jeffrey_go: You need to remove some more packages. You've only have around 2.3 MB free. |
| 03:32:49 | jeffrey_go | sjohnson: ok ! |
| 03:52:53 | pkomarek | Can anyone suggest where I can find the fabled itsy4x7 and related font? |
| 04:09:37 | pkomarek | nevermind, (ibot, you listening) I found the itsy fonts at http://staff.dstc.edu.au/julian/linux-vr/fonts/download/ |
| 04:13:30 | jacques_work | ibot: search for itsy |
| 04:13:56 | | OK, jacques_work. |
| 04:13:56 | jacques_work | ibot: itsy fonts are at http://staff.dstc.edu.au/julian/linux-vr/fonts/download/ |
| 04:15:48 | jeffrey_go | sjohnso: I removd libxml1/libxmltok1/task-x/xvkbd/blackbox/libxaw7/mixer/rxvt-aa/x-fonts-* ..finish. ! Available space 3056 fit qpe ? |
| 04:22:05 | pkomarek | jacques_work: so I shouldn't be so wordy when talking to ibot? |
| 04:22:50 | pkomarek | jacques_work: I thought that ibot tried to pick this stuff up on it's own? |
| 04:49:26 | jacques_work | pkomarek: ibot is in address-only mode, which means you must address him directly to teach him something |
| 04:49:50 | XXX1302 | hi all |
| 04:50:01 | zmc | XXX1302: Greetings. |
| 04:50:06 | pkomarek | jacques_work: ah, okay. who controls ibot? |
| 04:51:52 | jacques_work | pkomarek: BZFlag |
| 05:02:57 | pkomarek | anybody having problems with their computers locking up after installing usbnet.o? |
| 05:04:00 | jacques_work | pkomarek: I've only seen that on smp machines |
| 05:07:54 | pkomarek | I've had several lockups since installing it |
| 05:08:52 | pkomarek | Well, two or three. |
| 05:08:57 | jacques_work | pkomarek: are you on an smp machine? |
| 05:09:02 | pkomarek | I wish |
| 05:09:23 | jacques_work | :-( |
| 05:09:37 | jacques_work | pkomarek: what is the proc / kernel version? |
| 05:10:09 | pkomarek | [elmo paul ~] uname -a |
| 05:10:09 | pkomarek | Linux elmo.rem.cmu.edu 2.4.4-pre3 #2 Fri Apr 27 00:48:32 EDT 2001 i686 unknown |
| 05:10:09 | pkomarek | [elmo paul ~] |
| 05:11:01 | pkomarek | what do you mean by proc version? |
| 05:21:47 | jacques_work | pkomarek: I just meant what is your processor |
| 05:22:06 | jacques_work | pkomarek: first thing I would do is upgrade to at *least* true 2.4.4 |
| 05:22:42 | pkomarek | cpu: socket-a Athlon 850Mhz |
| 05:23:07 | pkomarek | I'd been waiting for things to settle down, you think 2.4.4 or 2.4.6 is okay? |
| 05:23:59 | jacques_work | pkomarek: my athlon 950 is working great with 2.4.5 |
| 05:24:12 | jacques_work | pkomarek: usbnet of course |
| 05:24:34 | pkomarek | okay, maybe I'll finally upgrade. Does 2.4.5 include a good-enough usbnet? |
| 05:24:41 | jacques_work | pkomarek: what's your MB - we might have same one |
| 05:25:04 | jacques_work | pkomarek: 2.4.5 does not include usbnet (you need an -ac for that I believe before 2.4.6-something) |
| 05:25:21 | jacques_work | pkomarek: I just used the usbnet.c file mentioned in the wikki howto |
| 05:25:25 | pkomarek | jacques_work: motherboard is Microstar K7T Turbo RAID |
| 05:25:39 | pkomarek | jacques_work: okee_dokee |
| 05:25:41 | jacques_work | pkomarek: oh, nice board - mine is an ASUS A7V |
| 05:26:09 | pkomarek | jacques_work: another good board -- you also a hardware connasieur? |
| 05:26:29 | jacques_work | pkomarek: I try to be |
| 05:26:58 | pkomarek | jacques_work: I like the little riser on the A7V |
| 05:28:14 | jacques_work | pkomarek: FYI, I am using the usb-uhci module |
| 05:28:41 | jacques_work | a usb mouse even |
| 05:29:56 | jacques_work | pkomarek: I'm heading home - I'll be on from there |
| 05:30:06 | pkomarek | jacques_work: I've got UHCI compiled in. Okay, see you later. |
| 05:30:16 | jacques_work | pkomarek: I spent several hours in the cage today and am still freezing |
| 05:30:26 | pkomarek | =-( |
| 06:46:57 | pkomarek | ibot: search for itsy |
| 06:57:31 | pkomarek | jacquesZzZz: you here? |
| 06:58:27 | jacquesZzZz | yep |
| 06:59:52 | pkomarek | When I switched from rxvt to rxvt-aa, I'm having troubles getting rxvt-aa to handle geometry "right". The letters are spaced very strangely. Can I use itsy4x6 with rxvt-aa? |
| 07:02:06 | jacquesZzZz | pkomarek: I think you need to use TT fonts with rxvt-aa |
| 07:02:06 | jacquesZzZz | pkomarek: I don't care for the aa on the tiny ipaq screen myself |
| 07:02:06 | jacquesZzZz | makes everything look blurry |
| 07:03:16 | pkomarek | jacquesZzZz: you know (offhand, otherwise I'll dig) how to specify ttf fonts? xlsfonts doesn't list them (at home I remember using a special tt font server) |
| 07:03:35 | pkomarek | jacquesZzZz: s/at home/on my desktop/ |
| 07:05:04 | jacquesZzZz | pkomarek: the ipaq x server can handle ttf, but more than that I don't know - I have also wondered how to specify them |
| 07:06:40 | pkomarek | jacquesZzZz: I guess this might be an XFree4.0 thing I'll have to look into. Well, since I don't seem to missing anything with rxvt, I'll use it. |
| 07:07:20 | pkomarek | jacquesZzZz: if theres a flash block I'm going to wear out sooner than later, it's the one with ~/.Xdefaults on it. ;-) |
| 07:08:05 | jacquesZzZz | pkomarek: that's the whole point of jffs2 - it spreads out the writes evenly on the flash |
| 07:08:46 | pkomarek | jacquesZzZz: okay. I haven't read any of the fs docs yet. I need to do that sooner than later. You use landscape or portrait mode? |
| 07:08:59 | pkomarek | jacquesZzZz: (for your ipaq, not for the fs docs) |
| 07:09:45 | jacquesZzZz | pkomarek: I'm not sure there are any jffs2 docs :-) actually there are - at the mtd site I think |
| 07:09:59 | jacquesZzZz | pkomarek: I like landscape, but portrait has its uses |
| 07:12:22 | pkomarek | jacquesZzZz: I'm still not really comfortable holding it landscape. I was thinking of writing some scripts to make switching between them easier, for instance merging different Xdefaults files. |
| 07:12:56 | pkomarek | jacquesZzZz: I already modified S99x to include an option "restart", and give "start" and "restart" an option of landscape or portrait. |
| 07:13:20 | jacquesZzZz | pkomarek: cool, have you played with xrandr at all? |
| 07:15:18 | pkomarek | jacquesZzZz: isn't that the specification that jg is working on? I didn't know there was any implementation -- I've only seen mention of it. |
| 07:15:57 | jacquesZzZz | pkomarek: oh yes, it's implemented, at least in the tinyX server |
| 07:16:23 | jacquesZzZz | pkomarek: intimate X server has it, there is a binary - xrandr - which lets you change screen orientation on the fly |
| 07:17:09 | pkomarek | jacquesZzZz: that's much better than my solution (restarting X) |
| 07:17:23 | pkomarek | jacquesZzZz: I'm looking all over for how to list the current font path. |
| 07:17:43 | jacquesZzZz | pkomarek: xset -q |
| 07:19:04 | pkomarek | jacquesZzZz: okay, that wasn't fair. Listed at the bottom of the help as "list status information". |
| 07:19:36 | pkomarek | jacquesZzZz: however, turns out my problem was elsewhere. I hadn't realized that by setting the display variable, xset would apply to my desktop and not the ipaq |
| 07:20:46 | jacquesZzZz | pkomarek: heh, yep, all X clients, xset, xdpyinfo, xclock :-) |
| 07:21:18 | pkomarek | jacquesZzZz: I'm also trying to figure out why familiar's sshd doesn't deny x11 forwarding, yet doesn't seem to forward anything. |
| 07:21:55 | pkomarek | jacquesZzZz: So I end up setting DISPLAY. Thankfully I'm not really worried about encrypting my x sessions across my "usb" network. |
| 07:22:21 | jacquesZzZz | pkomarek: hmm, did you get usbnet working? |
| 07:22:30 | pkomarek | jacquesZzZz: Now I have no idea what I might have done to my desktop's font path |
| 07:22:37 | jacquesZzZz | heh |
| 07:23:37 | pkomarek | jacquesZzZz: it's been working somewhat reliably (have to be careful about order of insertions and connections, blech). But my desktop went down really hard tonight -- no ping, no mouse, nothin' |
| 07:23:57 | pkomarek | jacquesZzZz: I'm trying to figure out why. |
| 07:24:20 | jacquesZzZz | pkomarek: did you build a new kernel yet? |
| 07:25:26 | pkomarek | jacquesZzZz: nope, I was on the phone with my sister. I guess I'm not planning to do the kernel tonight (unless you suggest otherwise) |
| 07:26:11 | jacquesZzZz | pkomarek: nah, just wait |
| 07:28:12 | pkomarek | jacquesZzZz: I'm actually feeling tired early tonight! Maybe that's because I got 3 hours of sleep last night. I don't like to mess with system stuff when I'm tired |
| 07:28:35 | pkomarek | jacquesZzZz: (that is a learned behavior, unfortunately) |
| 07:28:56 | jacquesZzZz | pkomarek: i hear ya :-) |
| 07:30:01 | pkomarek | pkomarek: You know if there is a keysym that will bring up the blackbox menus? |
| 07:30:59 | jacquesZzZz | hmm, no - dunno |
| 07:32:43 | pkomarek | jacquesZzZz: I'm thinking about trying switchd, so I can grab button events to make scripts run |
| 07:33:14 | jacquesZzZz | pkomarek: is that already out or something you're going to write? |
| 07:34:48 | pkomarek | jacquesZzZz: it's something I found via google, on some newsgroup. It's a daemon that has some kind of simple way to map buttons to commands. But I haven't untar'd it, yet. |
| 07:38:33 | pkomarek | jacquesZzZz: now I'm really confused--I've got a process on the ipaq in state "R" that I can't kill -9. I thought the only thing that kept kill -9 from working was when the process was in an uninterruptable sleep "U". |
| 08:48:44 | DragonEagle | Hello all |
| 12:48:55 | rjw | hello |
| 12:49:02 | nikos | Hi rjw |
| 12:49:18 | rjw | I just added dtmf dialling to the QPE address book. Cool ;-) |
| 12:49:52 | rjw | anyone know if the IR port on the ipaq can do the range for controlling TVs etc? |
| 12:59:08 | sjohnson | is away: I'm busy. |
| 12:59:17 | sjohnson | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 14:14:16 | bdkearns | rjw: yeah, I had it working 15-25 feet |
| 16:35:31 | sjohnson | is away: lunch |
| 17:22:48 | mallum | is away: stuff to do........ |
| 17:23:03 | mallum | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 17:23:18 | mallum | is away: crack delivery |
| 17:24:31 | mallum | is back (gone 00:01:17) |
| 17:29:42 | mallum | is away: taking a break |
| 18:55:22 | sjohnson | is back (gone 02:19:51) |
| 21:17:30 | sjohnson_work | is away: going home |