| 01:59:52 | pkomarek | is back (gone 02:09:19) |
| 02:10:45 | pkomarek | is away: I'm busy |
| 04:09:07 | pkomarek | is back (gone 01:58:21) |
| 13:27:51 | UberIpaq | anyone awake in here? |
| 13:30:48 | Kero | what's up? |
| 13:31:14 | UberIpaq | where can I find information on power management in Linux on iPaq? |
| 13:31:49 | UberIpaq | I just saw a page once somewhere, saying it consumes 22 times the power when asleep than when asleep in CE... |
| 13:32:00 | UberIpaq | is that still true? |
| 13:33:47 | Kero | dunno, but probably yes. |
| 13:34:53 | Kero | At least the iPAQ can shut off parts of the hardware, keeping it in ``standby'' beyond 24 hours. |
| 13:35:42 | UberIpaq | is that when Linux itself turns off the iPaq after being idle? |
| 13:36:44 | Kero | does it do that atomatically? At least when you press the power-button, it does it. |
| 13:37:18 | UberIpaq | yes, and does "shutdown -h" do the same thing? |
| 13:37:25 | Kero | when you press power again, the bootloader quick-starts into the session |
| 13:38:19 | Kero | guesses shutdown -h is much more rude and kills about everything, before turning off much more hardware. |
| 13:44:56 | UberIpaq | do you know anything about the flash file system? (when and how often the flash is re-written) |
| 13:46:43 | Kero | nope. |
| 13:47:09 | UberIpaq | or PCMCIA troubleshooting? |
| 13:48:34 | Kero | you can ask dwmw2 about jffs2 when he's around (try #handhelds.org as well) |
| 13:48:59 | Kero | here are several ppl with pcmcia experience, but not me, so far. |
| 13:49:34 | UberIpaq | ok, thanks |
| 14:24:51 | | i heard 246 was http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Linux2.4.6 |
| 14:24:51 | nikos | ibot: 246 |
| 15:18:56 | Qpenguin | Anyone awake? |
| 15:19:17 | DragonEagle | Qpenguin: Barely |
| 15:19:22 | Qpenguin | =) |
| 15:19:26 | nikos | or here |
| 15:19:26 | DragonEagle | :-' |
| 15:20:32 | Qpenguin | Basically.. |
| 15:21:41 | Sir_Earl | Morning everyone... |
| 15:21:47 | Qpenguin | mornin' |
| 15:22:03 | Sir_Earl | Qpenguin is busy. :-) |
| 15:27:09 | Sir_Earl | How is everyone handling PIM synchronization? Anyone? |
| 15:28:14 | DragonEagle | is planning a program to do just that |
| 15:30:22 | Sir_Earl | DragonEagle: Are you just exporting delimited text via xmodem or similiar? |
| 15:31:33 | DragonEagle | Sir_Earl: At the moment, I have a webserver running on my iPAQ and I just download information using netscape, upload using wget. |
| 15:31:52 | DragonEagle | ...But I will be writing a java program to do proper sync |
| 15:33:26 | Sir_Earl | Sounds like a plan. I guess you really don't need full time sync'ing afterall. I was spoiled with that aspect on CE & ActiveSync. |
| 16:24:42 | sjohnson | is away: Grocery shopping |
| 16:58:11 | terrys | is away: I'm busy |
| 16:59:30 | cworth | pkomarek: barely |
| 17:19:28 | pkomarek | cworth: =-) I recently compiled wget 1.7 on one of the skiffs, so I could use the -p (complete the page) and -E (force html) switches. I bundled it into an ipkg. Would you like a copy (as the maintainer of the older wget ipkg)? |
| 17:51:51 | sjohnson | is back (gone 01:27:08) |
| 19:06:41 | sjohnson | is away: I've lost my mind, and I've gone to look for it... |
| 19:38:00 | | 246 is http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Linux2.4.6 |
| 19:38:00 | nikos | ibot: 246 |
| 20:04:06 | a7r | root: you probably shouldn't be IRCing as root. |
| 20:04:16 | nikos | time to bring in the bots.... |
| 20:04:20 | nikos | :) |
| 20:04:34 | root | About to start a Installation of the familiar on my IPAQ. |
| 20:10:02 | cworth | a7r: hey there Alexander. |
| 20:13:04 | root | I now have a boot prompt! I also have bootldr-0000-2.14.8. When I type 'load bootldr' I then have to do an 'send' in minicom? |
| 20:13:57 | nikos | right |
| 20:14:00 | nikos | use xmodem |
| 20:14:15 | nikos | Of course, if you have 2.14.8, you don't need to load bootldr |
| 20:14:41 | nikos | or do you mean you have the osloader prompt and the 2.14.8 file? never mind... ;) |
| 20:14:53 | pkomarek | root: and do the send fast! I like to put the file I'm uploading into minicom's default directy, and make it the only file in that directory so I can find it quickly. I aim for less than 5 seconds. |
| 20:15:21 | Kero | root: so you have the prompt, okay. |
| 20:15:26 | root | the xmodem is the protocol. How do I situlate that with the send? |
| 20:16:50 | root | I have the prompt, just not the nerve! |
| 20:17:52 | root | just checked the md5sum again! |
| 20:18:05 | Kero | heh. |
| 20:18:47 | nikos | root: ? |
| 20:18:52 | root | What do I type from after the load bottldr. I have the file in the directory I am running in. |
| 20:19:14 | nikos | ctrl-a s then it asks which protocol to use |
| 20:19:47 | root | what is the letter for xmadem, I didn't note it!! |
| 20:19:58 | nikos | A menu shows up on the screen |
| 20:20:42 | root | here goes! |
| 20:27:11 | root | started off with a loda NAKs, and timed out. Now when I say load bootldr, it does not give me the option to put in the file name and just times out and reports the download error. aborting. Kill my minicom and retry without power cycling my ipaq? |
| 20:28:48 | nikos | You have to start the download pretty quickly. |
| 20:30:10 | root | I understand, but it does not prompt for the file name, just reports "loading flash region bootldr. using xmodem, ready for xmodem download" |
| 20:30:33 | nikos | ?? |
| 20:30:38 | nikos | You have to tell minicom to start the uplad |
| 20:30:41 | nikos | err upload |
| 20:30:46 | nikos | It doesn't prompt you. |
| 20:30:51 | root | I am not getting prompted for the file name? |
| 20:30:57 | pkomarek | root: that's what the ipaq is saying. But minicom will need to know the file to upload! |
| 20:31:12 | nikos | root: Filename of what? |
| 20:31:20 | nikos | root: the booloader doesn't care about the filename |
| 20:31:40 | nikos | root: Minicom just needs it to start the transfer, but it doesn't even try until you tell it to. |
| 20:32:08 | pkomarek | root: without starting the "load" on the ipaq, you might want to play with minicom a bit. For instance, in minicom, hit ctrl-a,s,arrow-key down to xmodem and hit return, and learn how to navigate the file browser. |
| 20:32:54 | root | is cool...I'm not! |
| 20:34:22 | root | this is harder than playing tomb raider! |
| 20:35:22 | pkomarek | root: tomb raider II or tomb raider III? ;-) There are a lot of very specific, boring directions to follow exactly to get this to work correctly. |
| 20:36:20 | pkomarek | root: When you're done, you've got a little (darn fast) computer running linux, but it certainly won't be anything like a Palm Pilot. |
| 20:36:38 | root | I'm typing this in in less than 3 seconds and only getting NAKs, will try harder! |
| 20:37:07 | pkomarek | root: what exactly are you doing in those 3 seconds? Because that is fast enough. I think we're still missing something... |
| 20:37:33 | nikos | root: 3 seconds from the time you hit enter on 'load bootldr'? |
| 20:37:50 | nikos | root: Get to a command prompt and do a 'sx --version' |
| 20:38:38 | root | don't know, I have ran the IPAQ osloader.exe and my IPAQ looks dead. I can interect with the boot and get responses to HELP, but keep getting NAKs |
| 20:39:56 | root | Oh, stunning! Cannot find sx! that wont help! |
| 20:39:56 | pkomarek | nikos and root: for clarification, I believe nikos means a command prompt on the host. |
| 20:40:17 | root | I ken. |
| 20:40:23 | nikos | root: Install lrzsz |
| 20:40:35 | pkomarek | root: what linux distro are you using? |
| 20:40:38 | nikos | You have been using minicom's default xmodem implementation which is not too good. |
| 20:41:23 | root | Where should I get the sx from? |
| 20:41:47 | root | Using SuSE 7.2 |
| 20:41:47 | nikos | install lrzsz.... |
| 20:41:48 | nikos | install lrzsz.... |
| 20:41:49 | nikos | install lrzsz.... |
| 20:41:55 | root | OK |
| 20:44:16 | Kero | How would you get NAK's if you don't get the upload started... |
| 20:45:05 | root | Don't know?...got any ideas what package they put lrzsz? |
| 20:45:18 | nikos | It's normally called lrzsz |
| 20:45:46 | nikos | Kero: minicom has a builtin xmodem, but it doesn't work, at least with the bootloader. |
| 20:46:57 | pkomarek | root: on redhat, lrzsz is a package -- I think SuSE might call it something else. |
| 20:47:44 | nikos | It's also called lrzsz on debian |
| 20:47:55 | root | Just looked in a, Linux Base, and ap, programs that dont need X, still searching! |
| 20:49:20 | root | found rzsz, it says it's installed. |
| 20:50:42 | nikos | but sx is not found? |
| 20:50:47 | nikos | do sz --version |
| 20:51:11 | pkomarek | suse's package listing says x,y, and zmodem are part of the rzsz package |
| 20:51:58 | root | I, it is, I have version 0.12.20 |
| 20:52:15 | pkomarek | another webpage claims that sx is part of the rzsz package... |
| 20:52:24 | nikos | pkomarek: It is |
| 20:52:29 | nikos | pkomarek: sx is just a link to sz |
| 20:53:17 | pkomarek | nikos: okay, thanks, just trying to do a little web sleuthing in the background. I'll be quiet now. =-) |
| 20:54:20 | root | I guess I have to make my minicom use the sz that is installed, instead of it's own then? |
| 20:55:26 | root | It is using the ones in /usr/bin. |
| 20:56:10 | nikos | It should do so automatically. Exit it and restart it if you have just now installed rzsz |
| 20:56:44 | root | rzsz was already installed. It is point to them. |
| 20:57:01 | nikos | You said sx did not exist. Which is it? |
| 20:57:18 | root | Should I go and get my Mandrake disk and get a copy off of that? |
| 20:57:52 | root | It is saying sz -X -vv, so I guess the sz can do both protocls. |
| 20:58:38 | nikos | Yes, that method would also work. |
| 20:59:59 | root | there is another program in the list that supports xmodem. rz. Will try this one? |
| 21:00:25 | Kero | no, that's the receiving part. |
| 21:00:32 | root | oh! |
| 21:02:48 | pkomarek | nikos: can sz grab the serial without minicom's permission? If so, maybe using sz directly would be easier? |
| 21:03:49 | root | I'll try it...just sz -X -vv bootldr-0000-2.14.8 I guess? |
| 21:04:28 | Kero | No, you don't try that. |
| 21:04:37 | Kero | especially not with a bootloader!!! |
| 21:04:49 | root | is cool! |
| 21:06:46 | RoMo | hi |
| 21:08:07 | nikos | Hello |
| 21:09:25 | root | got me mandrake disk, but cannot find any lrzsz or anything similar |
| 21:10:16 | nikos | What does sz --version report? |
| 21:10:27 | nikos | I suspect your rzsz is the same thing as lrzsz |
| 21:11:08 | root | version 0.12.2 |
| 21:12:09 | nikos | Give me the whole output please |
| 21:12:21 | nikos | ci79694-a:~# sz --version |
| 21:12:21 | nikos | sz (lrzsz) 0.12.21rc |
| 21:12:46 | root | sz (lrzsz) 0.12.20 |
| 21:13:43 | nikos | exactly |
| 21:13:53 | nikos | Have you had that all along? or did you install it? |
| 21:14:11 | root | It got installed |
| 21:14:24 | nikos | fine, start minicom again and try again. |
| 21:14:28 | root | I didn't install out tonight. |
| 21:14:37 | root | OK |
| 21:15:03 | root | leave without reset I assume? |
| 21:15:15 | nikos | reset what? |
| 21:15:26 | nikos | Just ctrl-a x and say yes |
| 21:15:39 | nikos | Don't reset the ipaq, but resetting the serial port is fine. |
| 21:15:42 | root | THat is the prompt when I ask to quit minicom, "leave without reset"? |
| 21:15:54 | nikos | no |
| 21:15:57 | nikos | don't leave without reset |
| 21:16:19 | root | so leave with reset. |
| 21:16:41 | nikos | What keys did you hit? |
| 21:17:12 | root | I hit ctl a q and it gave me the prompt. How do I leave the bugger? |
| 21:17:28 | nikos | ctrl-a x |
| 21:18:05 | root | ok, that reset the "modem' |
| 21:18:16 | root | Now back to the boot prompt. |
| 21:20:20 | root | just scrolling lots of naks again |
| 21:20:54 | root | xXmodem sectors/kbytes sent: 788/98kRetry 0: NAK on sector |
| 21:24:43 | pkomarek | root: I had to do this several times, but once I managed to start the loader on the ipaq and get to minicom and start an xmodem transfer with the desired file within 5 seconds, it worked immediately. |
| 21:24:56 | Kero | The NAKs are no real problem. |
| 21:25:17 | pkomarek | does hyperterm do better than minicom on this? |
| 21:25:30 | Kero | Usually you get loads of them when you upload a certain file for the first time. |
| 21:25:40 | nikos | pkomarek: They work just the same for me. |
| 21:25:53 | root | THis is the O/P from the "load bootldr" |
| 21:25:55 | root | loading flash region bootldr |
| 21:25:55 | root | using xmodem |
| 21:25:55 | root | ready for xmodem download.. |
| 21:26:11 | root | and that is all. |
| 21:26:52 | Kero | at that moment, start the upload xmodem from minicom. |
| 21:27:24 | root | you mean wit for that line? |
| 21:27:32 | Kero | Ctrl-A s, select xmodem, pass filename. |
| 21:27:35 | Kero | wit? |
| 21:27:41 | root | wait, sorry |
| 21:28:07 | Kero | type ``load bootloader'' |
| 21:28:35 | Kero | you see the lines coming by, including ``read for xmodem download..'' |
| 21:28:49 | Kero | Then you do Ctrl-A s and the rest of it. |
| 21:29:03 | root | then it starts to print ........ dots |
| 21:29:56 | root | load bootloader does not work. |
| 21:30:01 | Kero | it is waiting for you |
| 21:30:50 | sjohnson | is back (gone 02:24:09) |
| 21:30:56 | root | yes, but how do tell the IPAQ to load bootldr |
| 21:32:06 | Kero | You already told it to, hence the ``ready for xmodem download'' and the dots. |
| 21:32:07 | root | I am now getting ACK, but it is very slow. |
| 21:32:19 | Kero | few kByte per second. |
| 21:33:26 | root | the ipaq has the boot prompt, it is not waiting for the download |
| 21:33:56 | root | This is all it repeats now: Retry 0: Got 01 for sector ACK |
| 21:35:02 | root | about 15sec between each one |
| 21:36:08 | Kero | that's too slow. |
| 21:37:05 | root | did it in about 2 secs, All worked!!! |
| 21:37:21 | root | Go verifying done...can I go to bed! |
| 21:37:45 | root | BSD sum value is: 00000000 |
| 21:37:45 | root | programming flash...erasing ... |
| 21:37:45 | root | Erasing sector 00000000 |
| 21:37:45 | root | len=00018A80 |
| 21:37:45 | root | writing flash.. |
| 21:37:46 | root | addr: 00000000 data: EA00008E |
| 21:37:47 | root | addr: 00010000 data: E5DE2004 |
| 21:37:49 | root | verifying ... done. |
| 21:38:41 | Kero | looks fine to me. |
| 21:39:00 | root | peek flash 0x20 |
| 21:39:00 | root | addr = 00000020 |
| 21:39:00 | root | value = 646C7462 |
| 21:39:00 | root | boot> peek flash 0 |
| 21:39:00 | root | addr = 00000000 |
| 21:39:00 | root | value = EA00008E |
| 21:39:39 | root | I can do the qflash 2? |
| 21:39:41 | nikos | fine, reset. |
| 21:39:53 | nikos | no need |
| 21:41:05 | root | qflash 2 |
| 21:41:05 | root | value = 00000000 |
| 21:41:11 | root | Is this OK? |
| 21:41:38 | root | It is not what it is written to be? |
| 21:42:58 | root | OK power cycling!! |
| 21:43:02 | nikos | As long as the peek values are OK, just reset |
| 21:44:14 | root | I guess the power button on the top right is not supposed to work at the mo? |
| 21:44:36 | root | Hard reset with the small switch on the bottom? |
| 21:45:19 | Kero | the reset button on the bottom |
| 21:45:30 | Kero | the tiny hole |
| 21:47:13 | root | cracking! Thanks. Now everytime I have to load up something, I don't have to be so nervousor do I have to widdle me self every time? |
| 21:47:38 | Kero | you'll get used to the procedure. |
| 21:47:52 | Kero | but you are through the dangerous part, now. |
| 21:48:24 | root | Thanks, Tomb raider is a pinch compared with this! |
| 21:48:47 | root | buy you a beer some day. TA Leo |
| 21:52:02 | pkomarek | Well done, Kero and nikos! |
| 22:04:23 | RoMo | bye |
| 22:52:54 | RoMo | if something compiles on skiffcluster does this also work on a familiar 0.4 system? can i use the binaries ? |
| 23:18:54 | DragonEagle | Evening all |
| 23:19:07 | Skewed_Tangent | Evening DragonEagle |
| 23:19:55 | DragonEagle | Skewed_Tangent: are you familiar with gjc? |
| 23:20:11 | Skewed_Tangent | DragonEagle : Sorry.. I'm afraid not |
| 23:20:30 | DragonEagle | Ok |
| 23:21:00 | DragonEagle | has a few ideas spinning in his head and is trying to figure out the logistics of implementing them |
| 23:21:19 | Skewed_Tangent | DragonEagle : Sounds interesting.. what sort of ideas? |
| 23:22:20 | DragonEagle | I'm trying to set up a socket based sync application in java, but want to be able to native compile so that it's not limited to Pocket Linux |
| 23:23:41 | Skewed_Tangent | DragonEagle : Native compilation on the iPAQ isn't a problem as long as you have either a microdrive, or NFS to put the compiler on |
| 23:24:09 | Skewed_Tangent | DragonEagle : A microdrive is best, as you can use it for swap too |
| 23:24:50 | DragonEagle | Skewed_Tangent: Err, not native on the ipaq, I have a nfs mount I use for that, rather convert the java byte code to native code |
| 23:25:12 | DragonEagle | That way it can run on systems without a jvm |
| 23:25:13 | Skewed_Tangent | DragonEagle : Ah.. I see... 'fraid I can't help there |
| 23:25:38 | Skewed_Tangent | DragonEagle : Yeah.. that'd be cool... |
| 23:25:52 | DragonEagle | Skewed_Tangent: tnx anyway, mabey I just need to do some more reasearch |
| 23:26:32 | Skewed_Tangent | DragonEagle : Good luck in your mission :) |
| 23:27:33 | DragonEagle | The idea behind writing in java is that java networking code is amazingly easy |
| 23:28:04 | DragonEagle | ...And I have a java compiler on my iPAQ :-) |
| 23:35:27 | Skewed_Tangent | Ah well.. I'm off to bed... Night |
| 23:41:38 | XXX1302 | hi |
| 23:48:04 | RoMo | hi |