| 01:13:06 | nelson | donde esta esos foal icons? |
| 01:14:51 | nelson | Or has foal given up on supplying icons, and is relying on packages?? |
| 02:04:37 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | greetings |
| 02:20:00 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | has anybody seen something like this before?: |
| 02:20:05 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | xcalibrate: xcalibrate.c:563: initX: Assertion `dpy' failed. |
| 02:20:06 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | Aborted |
| 02:20:06 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | xset: unable to open display "" |
| 02:20:06 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | xset: unable to open display "" |
| 02:20:06 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | xrdb: Can't open display '' |
| 02:20:07 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | xrdb: Can't open display '' |
| 02:20:08 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/, removing from |
| 02:20:10 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | list! |
| 02:20:12 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | BaseDisplay::BaseDisplay: connection to X server failed. |
| 02:20:32 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | This is familiar unstable as of yesterday... |
| 02:22:58 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: that's what happens when your X server dies or does not properly start |
| 02:23:27 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: OR somehow your DISPLAY env var got lost |
| 02:24:10 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: ah, DISPLAY... I seem to have issues with the environment, e.g. path too |
| 02:24:24 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | where is DISPLAY set normally? |
| 02:24:41 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: good question, I was just wondering that |
| 02:24:55 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: :) |
| 02:24:57 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: when do you see those errors? |
| 02:25:42 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | when booting X. X actually comes up, but then no window manager to be seen. just that gray stippled background |
| 02:26:09 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: do you have a small flashing square on bottom of screen? |
| 02:26:37 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: no |
| 02:26:49 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: i can ssh in and all |
| 02:26:58 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: hmmm, then X might still be running |
| 02:27:22 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: try seting the DISPLAY env var to :0 |
| 02:27:29 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | yeah, i see it with ps aux |
| 02:29:44 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | ah, now i get Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused to connect to server when doing /etc/init.d/x start |
| 02:29:50 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | will try with xhost+ |
| 02:30:28 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | hmm, same message with xhost + |
| 02:30:37 | jacques | that's strange... |
| 02:31:07 | jacques | you have a very paranoid X server |
| 02:31:23 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | Xipaq from yesterday :) |
| 02:31:36 | jacques | I wonder how much that's been tested :-) |
| 02:32:55 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | could i get Xfbdev by hand? (that was the old one, right?) |
| 02:34:14 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: I'm sure you can, but I don't know exactly how - maybe download the old ipk and extract it? |
| 02:35:03 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | ipkg install URL is working if you have ipkg-0.9, shouldn't that do it? but ah, the dependencies |
| 02:36:27 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | oh, it is still in /usr/X11R6/bin. will try that |
| 02:37:20 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | who would be the guy to talk to, keithp? |
| 02:37:50 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: he would be one of them, along with jg |
| 02:39:11 | | jg was last seen on #familiar 7 hours, 27 minutes and 15 seconds ago, saying: You'd have to talk to Carl about that... [Mon Jul 16 20:11:56 2001] |
| 02:39:11 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | ibot: seen jg |
| 02:39:27 | | keithp was last seen on #familiar 3 days, 6 hours, 46 minutes and 34 seconds ago, saying: nelson: yes, they do. I've my own little collection on my web server now, including my favorite emacs clone. [Fri Jul 13 20:52:53 2001] |
| 02:39:27 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | ibot: seen keithp |
| 02:41:21 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | argh, "jg has quit" :) |
| 02:49:20 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: hmm. Xfbdev has the same behaviour. some environment thing i guess |
| 02:50:17 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | AAAAAH! works! (after setting DISPLAY). |
| 02:51:31 | jacques | hmmm |
| 02:51:43 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: thanks for the help. i can now sort out what went wrong. if you have any idea... |
| 02:52:32 | imre_bc | hi guys |
| 02:52:43 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | hi imre_bc |
| 02:53:12 | imre_bc | i'm just about to buy an ipaq i've got a question |
| 02:53:27 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: I'm puzzled by that problem - maybe an error in the /etc/init.d/x script... |
| 02:53:57 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: i guess so, yes. or some other startup thing: is doesn't seem to know libraries either |
| 02:54:25 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: where is e.g. PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH (is that what is used?) set for you? |
| 02:54:36 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | imre_bc: if we know the answer... :) |
| 02:54:53 | imre_bc | how far can I get with an ipaq (with familiar) with only 16M flash and 32M ram? Do I really need a cf+jacket? |
| 02:55:13 | jacques | imre_bc: depends on what you want to do |
| 02:55:52 | imre_bc | Just some basic stuff not like doom |
| 02:56:02 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | imre_bc: i got an 3635 (includes jacket), wasn't much more expensive than the 3650 (w/o jacket) |
| 02:56:34 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | imre_bc: doom will need intimate i guess. that means a microdrive |
| 02:57:29 | imre_bc | in other words better have that jacket... |
| 02:58:11 | imre_bc | but the damn 3635 only comes with ubs cable serial is extra |
| 02:58:21 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | not sure what a single jacket costs, but i guess the combo was less than 3650 + jacket |
| 02:58:47 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | imre_bc: where are you buying it? |
| 02:59:11 | imre_bc | compaq.ca I'll pay x1.5 :))) I'm canadian |
| 03:00:00 | imre_bc | I've been reading handheld.org for a week now |
| 03:00:18 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | do american web companies deliver to canada? |
| 03:01:56 | imre_bc | not that easy .. I cannot avoid customs |
| 03:02:44 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | hmm, i guess... |
| 03:03:05 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | rants about galeon not doing https... |
| 03:03:23 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: yeah I had that same rant |
| 03:03:36 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: and them someone told me to install the psm thing |
| 03:03:45 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: and it doesn't even tell you. just sits there |
| 03:03:51 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | like it otherwise |
| 03:04:07 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: I know - that made me apoplectic |
| 03:04:32 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: install the mozilla-psm rpm, and then it'll work |
| 03:04:45 | jacques | it'll still take tons of RAM tho :-) |
| 03:04:56 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | ibot: x en de apoplectic |
| 03:04:57 | | cmarqu[XXX1302]: apoplectic |
| 03:05:18 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | hmm. how did russ do that again?... |
| 03:05:37 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | will have to do M-x dict |
| 03:06:38 | jacques | hmmm, I'm not sure I spelled it correctly |
| 03:06:39 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) : |
| 03:06:40 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | Apoplectic \Ap`o*plec"tic\(#) Apoplectical \Ap`o*plec"tic*al\, |
| 03:06:40 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | a. [L. apoplecticus, Gr. ?, fr. ?: cf. F. apoplectique. See |
| 03:06:40 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | Apoplexy.] |
| 03:06:40 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | Relating to apoplexy; affected with, inclined to, or |
| 03:06:40 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | symptomatic of, apoplexy; as, an apoplectic person, medicine, |
| 03:06:42 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | habit or temperament, symptom, fit, or stroke. |
| 03:06:58 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | still don't know what it means :) |
| 03:07:14 | jacques | it made me very very angry :-) |
| 03:07:15 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: RAM is cheap... |
| 03:07:30 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: sure is - I need more tho |
| 03:08:33 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: could you do "grep PATH /etc/*/*" for me? |
| 03:09:35 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: on my ipaq? |
| 03:10:22 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: yeah |
| 03:11:54 | imre_bc | $800 canadian I'll go for it |
| 03:12:22 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: OK, I did it - what part are you interested in? |
| 03:14:13 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: not sure... :) e.g., what does your /etc/init.d/x have? |
| 03:14:36 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | and what are you running? 0.4? unstable? |
| 03:14:42 | jacques | etc/init.d/x:export XFILESEARCHPATH=./%N%S.ad:/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/%L/%T/%N%S:/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/%l/%T/%N%S:/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/%T/%N%S:./%N%S.ad:/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/%L/%T/%N%S:/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/%l/%T/%N%S:/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/%T/%N%S:/usr/local/lib/X11/app-defaults/%N%S.ad |
| 03:15:01 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: that's 0.4 |
| 03:15:22 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: I think... been a log time - I run intimate and only use familiar to boot it :-) |
| 03:16:00 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: ah :) i want to get intimate too, but I first have to fix that here |
| 03:16:55 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: okay, i forgot that i added $PATH to init.d/x myself |
| 03:17:09 | imre_bc | thank's guys see ya soon! |
| 03:18:14 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: does intimate run fully from the external CF/udrive? or would it add things to /etc/? |
| 03:20:06 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: during the boot process, it does a pivot_root() call, so it doesn't add things to the flash other than the new linuxrc and the reiserfs module |
| 03:22:12 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: okay. so... where else is PATH set in /etc/ (other than all the rc* stuff) |
| 03:22:43 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | or actually, it has to be an export PATH, right? so where is that? |
| 03:24:51 | jacques | i see this: |
| 03:24:54 | jacques | etc/init.d/rcS:PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin |
| 03:24:54 | jacques | etc/init.d/rcS:export PATH runlevel prevlevel |
| 03:25:40 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | ah. already different... |
| 03:27:29 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | uhm, no. it's there. was wrong |
| 03:31:35 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | looks like i'm missing /etc/profile from familiar-base. ha! |
| 03:35:07 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | that was it! YES! could have been so easy... |
| 03:35:24 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: thanks again. hope to give it back in the future |
| 03:35:48 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: np, tho it looks like you didn't need my help :-) |
| 03:36:26 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: the initial idea still was yours. i spent some hours yesterday already... |
| 03:36:36 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: I wonder how you lost that file? |
| 03:37:04 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: so how is intimate? are the install instructions on the web site complete? |
| 03:37:40 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: i have to admit... (/me grins sheepishly) |
| 03:38:14 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | "colin, never copy incomplete stuff from your desktop" |
| 03:38:42 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: depends on what type of install you want to do |
| 03:39:07 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: the udrive install is complete and the nfs install is almost complete |
| 03:40:13 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: udrive first. good for me. |
| 03:40:39 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: udrive is what I use |
| 03:40:57 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: and is debian/arm unstable rather stable? i have debian unstable i386 in desktop and laptop, that is quite good |
| 03:42:11 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: the parts that I have used in intimate have been fine with very few exceptions |
| 03:43:08 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | good. i'll have to let the install run over night with my 56k modem |
| 03:44:04 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: the udrive doesn't need to be formatted, right? |
| 03:46:55 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: if it's not partitioned and formatted, the install process will allow you to do it |
| 03:47:14 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | great |
| 03:47:44 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | mm...mmm...mmmust .... eat.... |
| 03:47:47 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: you don't even need the reiserfs module - install will download it (as long as you are using stock familiar kernel) |
| 03:47:57 | jacques | hi BZFlag |
| 03:48:41 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: yes, stock kernel. all sounds pretty polished |
| 03:49:06 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: BTW, if yo uar easily annoyed, choose NO music during install :-) |
| 03:50:13 | jacques | unfortunately there is not yet a way to turn music off once it's started |
| 03:51:17 | BZFlag | is on a dog slow modem line... ;-( |
| 03:52:33 | Cameron-Sleeping | waves goodnight |
| 03:52:52 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: ah, i was wondering if i should do that. no soundmixer i guess? |
| 03:56:41 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: it's just that tangent hasn't yet implemented a way to sto pthe music during install |
| 03:57:22 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: i'll just leave it off |
| 03:58:03 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | is switching from qwerty to fitaly hard? |
| 03:58:36 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: I don't think so - just change the config file for xkbd - it uses templates |
| 03:59:10 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: oh yes, but i mean more in terms of getting used to it |
| 04:00:13 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: ah, then I don;t know - I haven't used it |
| 04:00:59 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | wonders if he should try... tomorrow. intimate time is now |
| 04:06:17 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | wohooo.. ipaq can blink green. intimate-logo! |
| 04:07:12 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | wah, somebody selected "play music" for me :) |
| 04:07:39 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | wonders if it will keep the neighbours awake |
| 04:08:31 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | oh no, gotta stop that :-{} |
| 04:09:16 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | plays as if it wants to blast the little speaker :) |
| 04:10:59 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: yeah, it's kinda loud |
| 04:11:19 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: "kinda", haha :) |
| 04:11:57 | jacques | :-) |
| 04:18:15 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: does it make sense to leave room for another partition? |
| 04:19:34 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: I only have root and swap, tho I think ppl who are dual-booting with CE need three partitions |
| 04:20:23 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | ah yeah, gotta dig that mails up... i want to eventually dual boot since tat pocket map app is really nice under wince |
| 04:36:00 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | is undecided whether to try dual-boot right now or first use standard intimate instructions... sigh |
| 04:37:16 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: if you don't have the udrive plugged in, it's just familiar as usual, right? |
| 04:39:10 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: right |
| 04:39:51 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: okay. i'll just do a standard install |
| 04:53:58 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: is it normal that mkreiserfs sits a long time on 80%? |
| 04:57:59 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: I'm not really sure - how long? I don't remember it taking that long when I did it, tho I usually do the mkfs with my card dock |
| 04:59:06 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: several minutes now. will retry |
| 05:00:04 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | ah. oh. i lost the ppp connection, so it doesn't hang maybe |
| 05:00:13 | jacques | :-( |
| 05:01:14 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: i guess it rebooted. at least, pppd doesn't seem to run anymore |
| 05:03:13 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: can you get any response on the serial console? |
| 05:04:42 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: no. i already rebooted |
| 05:06:00 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacques: sorry, misunderstood. i didn't try the real serial console. could have thought of that... |
| 05:07:01 | jacques | cmarqu[XXX1302]: I need to head home - I'll be on from there |
| 05:07:26 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | jacquesZzZz: bye for now |
| 05:09:11 | jacques_gone | cmarqu[XXX1302]: later |
| 08:04:20 | RoMo^away | hi |
| 08:22:33 | odw199 | hello peeps |
| 08:22:49 | odw199 | has anyone got IPv6 working on their ipaq? |
| 10:13:11 | kilian | I got "/bin/login: error while loading shared libraries: /bin/login: undefined symbol" after booting my ipaq with familiar 0.4 bootstrap-version |
| 10:13:18 | kilian | I can't login |
| 10:13:27 | kilian | can somebody please help me? |
| 10:14:42 | kilian | before that I had the familiar-complete version, which worked fine |
| 10:15:03 | kilian | do I have to flash the bootldr, kernel, etc. again? |
| 10:15:19 | Kero | will try to help... |
| 10:15:36 | Kero | though I find it a strange bug. |
| 10:16:13 | Kero | bootldr and kernel are fine, only root-image and/or other stuff may be incorrect. |
| 10:16:35 | kilian | I was running the complete-verion before and just flashed the bootstrap-version over. Was this wrong? |
| 10:17:14 | Kero | problem is, I do not know what is and what isn't in the bootstrap. |
| 10:17:36 | kilian | tast-bootstrap.jffs2 from the website |
| 10:18:14 | Kero | yeah; you get the "login:" prompt? |
| 10:19:12 | Kero | does it complain /before/ you get the prompt, or only, say, after you type something? |
| 10:19:16 | kilian | right, but if I type in "root", I get the error I mentioned above and the login again, without ever seeing the password prompt |
| 10:19:36 | kilian | after I typed "root" |
| 10:20:27 | Kero | okay. |
| 10:22:00 | kilian | IS it better to use the usr, root and init cramfs images? |
| 10:23:14 | Kero | dunno; bootstrap.jffs should work :( |
| 10:23:22 | Kero | it worked for me. |
| 10:25:10 | Kero | You checked the md5sum? |
| 10:25:13 | kilian | yep |
| 10:25:45 | Kero | and it is correct? |
| 10:25:57 | kilian | Yes, md5sum is correct. I got an transfer incomplete with the last ack, and and rxstat error. |
| 10:26:06 | kilian | But it flashed nevertheless. |
| 10:26:17 | kilian | I flashed again and got the same error |
| 10:26:21 | Kero | just downloaded the current task-bootstrap.jffs2; it is exactly the same as the one I used. |
| 10:27:35 | kilian | probably the problem is the last sector of the xmodem download |
| 10:27:47 | Kero | you already flashed again; was just gonna ask you to do that... |
| 10:29:16 | kilian | I want to install qt embedded. Therefore I can install the familiar-complete-jffs2 and remove all x-packages... But that's a pain... |
| 10:29:30 | kilian | By the way, how can I turn of the debug messages o nthe serial console? |
| 10:30:28 | Kero | debug msgs off: compile a kernel. |
| 10:31:06 | Kero | Is there Qt embedded in familiar? Or do you have ipkgs from elsewhere? |
| 10:31:24 | kilian | from the qt embedded website |
| 10:32:28 | Kero | cool; hope they work (there should be ppl around here or on #handhelds.org that now, but they seem all asleep) |
| 10:32:37 | kilian | ok, I'm flashing familair-complete. But I dont' get it, what's the problem with the bootstrap-image on my ipaq? |
| 10:32:52 | Kero | kilian: I don't know what the problem is. |
| 10:33:30 | Kero | How much flash do you have? |
| 10:33:39 | kilian | 16mb flash, 64mb ram |
| 10:34:53 | Kero | ask on #handhelds.org, there are small known problems & solutions with 64 MB RAM, but I don't remember them. |
| 10:36:24 | Kero | wiki doesn't provide the solution either :( |
| 10:36:36 | kilian | ok, thnx |
| 10:36:48 | Kero | good luck! |
| 10:43:25 | Kero | btw, does X launch from bootstrap? |
| 10:44:03 | kilian | no |
| 10:44:13 | kilian | X is not included in bootstrap image |
| 10:46:20 | gillus | Hi all, is there a ipkg package for gcc, and can it fit on a 32 Mo card flash ? |
| 10:46:59 | gillus | well ipkg or tgz or cramfs :) but prebuilt. |
| 10:54:04 | RoMo | bye all |
| 14:30:00 | nikos | is away: Errands... |
| 15:04:34 | frizz | What version of bootldr implements the "download_kernel" parameter. I am using 2.14.8 and it doesn't seem to exist. |
| 15:05:38 | Kero | ? What would it do? You don't mean the "load kernel" command, I suppose... |
| 15:06:16 | frizz | I want to boot a kernel with flashing it |
| 15:10:17 | frizz | According to the bootldr documentation, setting download_kernel to a value other than zero allows one to boot a kernel downloaded using xmodem instead of the one in flash |
| 15:11:10 | Kero | Cute, I didn't know that option. |
| 15:11:37 | frizz | it would make testing kernels a lot easier |
| 15:11:53 | nikos | is back |