| 01:17:30 | perlan | any installation wizards around? |
| 01:40:54 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | greetings |
| 12:10:16 | RoMoPAQ | hi |
| 12:25:56 | Motse | Hi all ! |
| 12:27:18 | Motse | I am installing familiar 0.4 - I have just installed bootlr 2.14.5 and qflash 2 says it is not protected |
| 12:27:58 | Motse | pflash 0 0xffff 1 didn't change it |
| 12:28:38 | Kero | heard that is not a problem. |
| 12:29:49 | Kero | there were some hex values printed after loading the bootloader, are those correct? |
| 12:30:32 | Motse | yes, I have already booted my iPAQ with the new bootloader - all right |
| 12:30:52 | Kero | ok! |
| 12:32:48 | Motse | the next step is to set the bootloaders parameter - shall I go on ? |
| 12:33:16 | Kero | if you have booted with the new bootloader, by all means, continue! |
| 12:35:51 | Motse | When will familiar 0.5 be released ? |
| 12:35:57 | Kero | dunno |
| 12:36:35 | nikos | Motse: My recommendation would be to simply track the feeds. There's not much that's not in a feed that would go into v0.5. |
| 12:37:51 | Motse | ok - bye -> going to complete familiar installation |
| 12:37:51 | RoMoPAQ | can i use the newest cvs file to install a working system or is it better to install the 0.4 distrib? |
| 12:40:52 | nikos | RoMoPAQ: What CVS are you talking about? |
| 12:46:21 | RoMoPAQ | cvs tree of familiar |
| 12:46:58 | RoMoPAQ | CVS/familiar vs 0.4/familiar |
| 12:58:50 | nikos | RoMoPAQ: No such thing. |
| 13:01:28 | RoMoPAQ | there is no familiar distribution within CVS only parts of it? |
| 13:01:31 | RoMoPAQ | or what do you mean? |
| 13:02:34 | nikos | RoMoPAQ: Yeah, there is a directory in CVS, but that is only certain small parts of the dist, like ipkg. |
| 13:02:44 | nikos | RoMoPAQ: The source code is not all in one place at this time. |
| 13:03:13 | RoMoPAQ | ah ok. |
| 13:03:15 | nikos | RoMoPAQ: You need to just install v0.4 and upgrade packages if you like. That is what we are all doing and the only real way to install. |
| 13:03:26 | RoMoPAQ | okay thanks :) |
| 13:03:30 | nikos | Sure |
| 14:13:07 | mallum | is away: making some tea |
| 14:19:37 | mallum | is back (gone 00:06:29) |
| 16:37:20 | mallum | is away: getting food |
| 17:26:34 | RoMoPAQ | bye |
| 18:44:13 | mallum | is away: restarting x......... |
| 18:48:53 | dneuer_GETTING_COFFEE | is away: caffeine addicts need their fix |
| 20:06:40 | RoMo | hi |
| 20:12:06 | bhima | anybody know where I can find 3c589 drivers for 2.4.6-rmk1-np2 |
| 20:15:46 | dneuer | is back (gone 01:26:54) |
| 20:28:46 | gls | has anyone found an extension cable for targus keyboard && ipaq |
| 20:29:03 | gls | [dual slot pcmcia in landscape mode] |
| 20:29:29 | bhima | does the targus keyboard fit with a dual pcmcia? |
| 20:29:44 | gls | just about almost |
| 20:29:54 | a7r | is back (gone 23:27:38) |
| 20:30:11 | gls | usually doesn't fall out |
| 20:30:16 | bhima | hmm? what does that mean..? |
| 20:30:30 | gls | that means that the dual-sleeve unit is pretty heavy |
| 20:30:45 | gls | and the angle that the ipaq sits at |
| 20:31:09 | gls | when connected to the keyboard |
| 20:31:17 | gls | knocks the ipaq over |
| 20:31:21 | gls | when you bump into the table |
| 20:31:24 | bhima | ick. that's annoying. |
| 20:31:25 | gls | [if that is still english] |
| 20:31:31 | gls | yeah, but wouldn't it be nice |
| 20:31:39 | gls | to work in landscape mode ? |
| 20:31:43 | gls | typing happily away |
| 20:32:05 | bhima | depends on the app you're working in. terminal emulator, xterm, etc, sure. |
| 20:32:18 | bhima | but with other apps it can be nice to be in landscape. |
| 20:32:24 | gls | mostly rxvt-aa && ssh |
| 20:32:26 | gls | true |
| 20:48:17 | gls | [nice short meeting] |
| 20:54:43 | dneuer_AWAY | is away: cleaning catbox & ts driver (not sure which is worse) |
| 21:04:14 | nikos | gls: Other person never showed. |
| 21:04:23 | gls | that does speed things up, then |
| 21:04:43 | gls | still blanking out on this 'targus keyboard extension cable' |
| 21:05:07 | gls | didn't expect to stall on finding connector ID for "bottom of ipaq" |
| 21:05:20 | nikos | gls: I guess you know the name FoxConn? |
| 21:05:23 | a7r | gls: have you looked at FoxConn? |
| 21:05:30 | nikos | twink |
| 21:05:47 | a7r | thumbs his nose at nikos. ;) |
| 21:09:35 | gls | yes, did see this, but connexion refused by efoxconn |
| 21:09:47 | gls | so still not sure wrt available-p |
| 21:10:01 | nikos | http://www.foxconn.com/ |
| 21:10:25 | nikos | http://www.foxconn.com/products/ipaq.asp |
| 21:10:36 | gls | 1, but thought that i would look for purchase at their e-commerce site |
| 21:10:45 | gls | which seems to be 0 at the moment |
| 21:11:29 | nikos | gls: Ah, good point. |
| 21:16:02 | spud | Hiya #familiar. |
| 21:17:08 | nikos | hello |
| 21:17:09 | spud | Anybody here into ipaq 802.11? |
| 21:17:31 | gls | have it running, how into do you require ? |
| 21:17:34 | nikos | Many, I'm trying to get it working today myself. Haven't quite gotten there yet though. |
| 21:17:58 | spud | I got it running too, but I'm kinda confused about what constitutes an AP, and how to make a linux box act as an AP. |
| 21:18:36 | nikos | spud: Just get a $200 AP. It's not worth doing anything else in my opinion. |
| 21:19:13 | spud | Heh, it's not the money, I'm just wanna know how it works. |
| 21:19:49 | spud | The way I understand it, you need to put the card into "infrastructure BSS" mode. |
| 21:19:53 | spud | Which I think is the same as "master mode" using iwconfig. |
| 21:20:09 | spud | Now lucent cards just don't let you do this. |
| 21:20:14 | spud | But the aironet card I have does. |
| 21:21:01 | spud | At least airo.c seems to let you do this. Do any of you guys use AIRONET 34x type cards w/ familiar? |
| 21:22:58 | Kero | spud: I have /some/ aironet at work... |
| 21:23:48 | spud | They seem like cool cards. They have this monitor mode which sniffs all the 802.11 traffic. I hear you can pass it up with some libpcap patches and sniff 802.11 with ethereal. |
| 21:24:56 | spud | Anyway, I also wanted to say that familiar kicks ass, and was easy to install. |
| 21:25:47 | a7r | cool. :) |
| 21:26:34 | spud | I was so stoked when my microdrive and lucent 802.11 cards just worked outta the box. |
| 21:27:14 | gls | which kernel are you using ? i found that lucent gold 802.11 !work with |
| 21:27:15 | spud | Working on my cross compiler setup. Wanna get gcc running nativly on it too. |
| 21:27:26 | a7r | gls: works for me. |
| 21:27:29 | gls | 2.4.6 && single slot pcmcia, while it did work with dual-slot && 2.4.6 |
| 21:27:40 | a7r | spud: You should talk to cworth.. he's working ipks. |
| 21:27:43 | a7r | gls: oh, 2.4.6? |
| 21:27:55 | gls | a7r: yes. backed down to 2.4.4 |
| 21:28:02 | spud | 2.4.3-rmk2-np1. |
| 21:28:07 | gls | a7r: and that works well on both counts |
| 21:28:34 | gls | 2.4.4-rmk3-np1 |
| 21:28:38 | gls | [fam4, iirc] |
| 21:29:37 | cworth | spud: I've put some gcc .ipks together already, (just repackaged .debs so far). |
| 21:30:16 | spud | Cool. Where can I find 'em? |
| 21:30:21 | cworth | spud: They'll need some well placed symlinks before they work when installed in subdirectories other than '/'. |
| 21:31:00 | cworth | spud: if you wnat to chase down the minimal set of symlinks needed to make it work I would appreciate it, (then I'll add those to the package postinst script). |
| 21:31:01 | spud | Right, there are hardcoded paths in gcc to deal with right? |
| 21:31:48 | cworth | spud: "src cworth ipkg at http://scream.east.isi.edu/familiar/hacks" then "ipkg install gcc", (and maybe "ipkg install libc6-dev" |
| 21:32:31 | spud | Thanks, I'll go scope it out, I'm kinda a dork when it comes to package management schemes, it might take me a bit. |
| 21:32:57 | RoMo | re |
| 21:33:05 | BZFlag | the specs file is a good place to start. gcc -v will show you where it is looking. |
| 21:33:33 | BZFlag | my debian version shows: /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-linux/2.95.4/specs |
| 21:34:26 | BZFlag | all bins should be either on the path or in /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-linux/2.95.4/ in this example. |
| 21:34:55 | BZFlag | so a symlink at /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-linux/2.95.4 should work. for arm of course it would be different. |
| 21:35:16 | BZFlag | something like: /usr/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/2.95.2 ;-) |
| 21:36:29 | spud | Cool, if I get too confused I'll just strace gcc. |
| 21:50:07 | UberIpaq | today is now a good day |
| 21:50:23 | UberIpaq | just got his PCMCIA ne200-compatible card working |
| 21:51:03 | DragonEagle | Quick kernel question |
| 21:51:14 | DragonEagle | In the 2.4.6. kernel was cpu_scale build out? |
| 21:51:51 | spud | UperIpaq: Muahaha, congrats. |
| 21:53:17 | Kero | DragonEagle: afraid so. |
| 21:53:23 | UberIpaq | hey, how can I see what files are installed by a .ipk file, without actually installing it? |
| 21:53:43 | DragonEagle | Kero: was that because of stability or space? |
| 21:54:11 | Kero | wouldn't know. |
| 21:54:35 | DragonEagle | has a solution for that...err rebuild em |
| 21:54:54 | cworth | UberIpaq: `tar xzf foo.ipk; tar xzf data.tar.gz;` |
| 21:55:30 | UberIpaq | cworth: thanks, ipkg-guy |
| 21:55:59 | UberIpaq | how bout "tasks" ? |
| 21:56:15 | UberIpaq | i.e. what all does task-x install? |
| 21:57:01 | cworth | UberIpaq: do `ipkg info task-foo` and look at depends. Repeat as neeeded. |
| 21:57:40 | DragonEagle | I'm going to rebuild cpu_scale.o does anyone else want that? |
| 21:58:22 | Kero | DragonEagle: I've saved cpu-scale.c somewhere, so I can probably do it myself; thanks for the offer. |
| 21:59:32 | DragonEagle | is starting a small arm binary repository where anyone can go and just download that one little file they're missing |
| 22:00:00 | Kero | you've heard about the skiffcluster, I presume? |
| 22:01:18 | DragonEagle | Kero: yeah, I'm just trying to do something nice for the arm linux community |
| 22:02:30 | Kero | okay! |
| 22:03:00 | DragonEagle | Kere: in fact I think I spend more time in the skiff cluster than my own lan :-) |
| 22:03:17 | Kero | buy one iPAQ, use 7 :) |
| 22:03:34 | DragonEagle | hehe, thinking about building a lart tho |
| 22:03:54 | Kero | you're addicted :) |
| 22:04:22 | DragonEagle | What do you mean addicted....oh my god where's my ipaq ..... |
| 22:15:30 | spud | I haven't heard of the skiffcluster, can you get a shell account on a full on arm linux machien? |
| 22:16:33 | DragonEagle | spud: the skiff cluster is public access for building arm binaries |
| 22:16:56 | DragonEagle | spud: telnet skiffcluster[1-6].handhelds.org |
| 22:17:45 | spud | Too cool! |
| 22:17:57 | DragonEagle | comes in real handy |
| 22:19:22 | spud | What do you gotta do to get an account? |
| 22:20:26 | spud | Nevermind, figured it out. |
| 23:28:28 | mowse | has the been any progress in the way of support for the USB cable when installing the os loader? |