| 00:38:55 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | greetings |
| 02:30:26 | howesp | i'm fuzzy on the jffs2 file system. Is there a howto to explain what one does to build/update the 0.4 install? |
| 05:54:18 | a7r | digdude: d00d. |
| 05:54:32 | bhima | yawns. |
| 05:54:40 | digdude | a7r: dood! going to santa monica tomorrow to protect and hand-out anti-dmca flyers! :_) |
| 05:54:53 | a7r | digdude: I thought the protest in SM was on Monday? |
| 05:54:55 | digdude | s/protect/protest |
| 05:55:12 | digdude | a7r: monday is the senators offices (or the courthouse, I forget which.) |
| 05:55:18 | a7r | digdude: ah, werd. |
| 05:55:24 | digdude | a7r: we're going to hand out flyers on the pier though. |
| 05:55:41 | a7r | digdude: killer.. I thought about walking around downtown, asking if anyone had heard of the DMCA. |
| 05:55:49 | digdude | a7r: dude, have you seen www.toad.com/gnu/whatswrong.html ? |
| 05:56:06 | a7r | digdude: no, /me looking. |
| 05:56:14 | digdude | a7r: it's kinda long, but real good. |
| 05:56:33 | a7r | digdude: check it: http://www.geocities.com/gtii_2000/GT-III.htm <- this is what Mike Hughes (SCLUG) and I are doing on Sunday. |
| 05:58:12 | digdude | a7r: dude, that looks like fun. makes me wish i had an s2000 already. |
| 05:58:32 | a7r | digdude: do a search for ``Volvo''.. I'm amazed someone else is going to be there with one. |
| 05:58:56 | digdude | a7r: hey... if anything happens, the volvo owner will be safe... ;) |
| 05:59:37 | a7r | digdude: yeah, there's going to be me, and one other Volvo owner, in our own little kr3w. |
| 05:59:53 | bhima | time to organize an anti-DMCA protest for Pittsburgh. |
| 06:01:03 | bhima | any advice on free web hosting places? :) |
| 06:01:16 | digdude | goes to check out the #sklyarov on us.slashnet.org |
| 06:04:17 | pkomarek | bhima: do you think cmu would get upset if you did it on your SCS or Andrew page? |
| 06:04:44 | bhima | pko: probably not. I mean, dave touretsky has a DeCSS mirror, and a gallery of adobe remedies. |
| 06:05:03 | bhima | along with a scientology archive and a lots of docs about amway. |
| 06:05:15 | bhima | OTOH, he's a professor. |
| 06:05:37 | bhima | I'd just like to keep it separate from there for now. |
| 06:05:51 | pkomarek | bhima: he's not expendable. I'll allow you to infer the rest. ;-) Of course, you have parents that could sue the university... |
| 06:06:19 | pkomarek | Anyone else here, besides bhima and me, from Pittsburgh? |
| 06:06:22 | bhima | right. he's prolly got tenure. students don't get tenure :) |
| 06:06:28 | bhima | dneuer is. |
| 06:06:46 | bhima | not sure if he's actually here. |
| 06:06:48 | pkomarek | bhima: aha, there he is on my list... |
| 06:06:55 | bhima | I also have no andrew quota left right now :) |
| 06:07:25 | pkomarek | Anoyone else here, besides bhima, pkomarek, and dneuer, from Pittsburgh? |
| 06:07:41 | pkomarek | bhima: what were you thinking of for the protest (and when)? |
| 06:08:17 | bhima | pko: bit over a week from now, monday morning, basically hadning out leaflets downtown. |
| 06:08:45 | bhima | I think that educating some amount of the general public is the best thing we can do. |
| 06:09:34 | pkomarek | bhima: that sounds nice and non-threatening. And I could wave to my wife across the Mon! |
| 06:10:07 | pkomarek | bhima: I'm not going to commit to it yet, but I could probably host a page on the math department server. Among other things, our sysadmin returns from vacation on Monday. |
| 06:10:24 | pkomarek | bhima: of course, he'll probably want to join in the protest... |
| 06:10:43 | bhima | misc.market.computers has had some general interest sparked. |
| 06:10:47 | pkomarek | bhima: do you already have leaflets printed, or at least a design? |
| 06:11:03 | bhima | pko: no, and no. I have some ideas, and I think I can do something pretty good. |
| 06:11:47 | bhima | this will be my second protest. I went with about six other CMU CS geeks to hand out leaflets at the win2k launch :) |
| 06:12:14 | bhima | we snuck in, ate their food, leafletted lots of chairs, ate more food, and then got kicked out. |
| 06:12:28 | bhima | when we were out in front, hotel security came and asked us if we'd been kicked out. |
| 06:12:32 | bhima | they were quite bemused. |
| 06:12:44 | bhima | they couldn't really figure out why we would have been kicked out. we looked so totally innocent :) |
| 06:13:40 | pkomarek | bhima: sounds like fun! |
| 06:13:41 | pkomarek | bhima: about the pamphlet, I'll bet someone already has made a nice one. Is there some sort of anti-dmca repository on the web? |
| 06:13:41 | pkomarek | bhima: (as you can see, I'm not in a postition to spend a lot of time on this) |
| 06:14:00 | bhima | I'm going to look around, just basically getting started with the concept right now. |
| 06:15:59 | dneuer | hey, my ears are buzzing |
| 06:16:40 | bhima | good morning. |
| 06:16:45 | pkomarek | dneuer: Hi! We've gone off-topic (again) to plan a little civil disobedience. Well, not quite disobedience... |
| 06:16:56 | dneuer | is going to Pittsburgh Deli Company on Sun. night |
| 06:17:08 | pkomarek | dneuer: What is the Pgh Deli Co.? |
| 06:17:16 | dneuer | pkomarek: free Dmitry? |
| 06:17:50 | dneuer | pkomarek: cool bar in Shadyside (Copeland St, right next to Starbucks) |
| 06:18:18 | pkomarek | dneuer: Oh, didn't know about that. I'm glad to hear people realize he hasn't actually been freed. |
| 06:18:19 | bhima | if would be cool if there were enough of us to block a street :) |
| 06:18:58 | dneuer | where is this disobedience scheduled to happen, and when? |
| 06:19:15 | bhima | pittsburgh. and the time will be a secret. |
| 06:20:20 | dneuer | bhima: hard to get a lot of people to show up, if they don't know where and when |
| 06:20:32 | dneuer | bhima: might get some psychics, though |
| 06:21:24 | dneuer | politically active geek psychics |
| 06:21:57 | dneuer | bhima: did jg ever tell you where you could find the latest packaged up x server? |
| 06:22:06 | bhima | dn: nope. |
| 06:22:36 | dneuer | bummer |
| 06:22:49 | dneuer | can't get X to work w/ some kernel changes |
| 06:23:01 | dneuer | X is picky!! |
| 06:23:21 | pkomarek | dneuer: I think bhima was saying that he's still planning the time and place, but a week from Monday downtown to distribute pamphlets is what the psychic vibes suggest right now. |
| 06:23:44 | dneuer | pkomarek: ah |
| 06:24:19 | dneuer | just applied for an embedded, real-time kernel hacking job |
| 06:24:27 | dneuer | probably won't get it |
| 06:25:11 | dneuer | also needs a drink, brb |
| 06:25:45 | bhima | so, we all exist, wanna grab a snack somewhere or something? |
| 06:26:35 | dneuer | bhima: now? |
| 06:26:42 | bhima | sure. |
| 06:26:44 | bhima | why not? :) |
| 06:26:57 | dneuer | bhima: can't. Wife would take my life |
| 06:27:12 | bhima | dn: bring her with us :) |
| 06:27:27 | dneuer | bhima: sleeping 4-year-old son, too? |
| 06:27:55 | bhima | dn: sure. I have no issues with little kiddies. |
| 06:28:36 | dneuer | bhima: nah, tnx tho |
| 06:28:51 | dneuer | bhima: sunday night, Pgh Deli Co |
| 06:29:01 | digdude | bhima: isn't it like 3:30 am there. you guys eat snacks in early morning? |
| 06:29:21 | bhima | digdude: sure, why not? |
| 06:29:30 | pkomarek | is back from a typing break |
| 06:29:44 | digdude | bhima: are you up early, or haven't gone to bed. I'm in CA, so i'm still up from 'Friday' |
| 06:29:51 | pkomarek | is eating stale tortilla chips, and thought a real snack sounded nice |
| 06:30:06 | bhima | it's only 3:30am, I"m still up. |
| 06:30:22 | dneuer | still up as well |
| 06:30:24 | pkomarek | digdude: My schedule is whacked, too. |
| 06:31:05 | dneuer | bought a new Athlon/266 DDR RAM mobo, + 256M DDRRAM |
| 06:31:07 | pkomarek | The best part is that all three of us are messed up in the same way, in the same town, on the same IRC channel. |
| 06:31:17 | dneuer | thinks it should come tommorrow |
| 06:31:18 | pkomarek | dneuer: which DDR board did you settle on? |
| 06:31:25 | pkomarek | dneuer: and which vendor? |
| 06:31:48 | dneuer | pkomarek: DFI AK76-SN; has the AMD 760 chipset |
| 06:32:03 | pkomarek | dneuer: the 760 still looks like the best... |
| 06:32:24 | pkomarek | dneuer: you pick up a new vid card, too? |
| 06:32:28 | dneuer | pkomarek: the SiS 735 beats it, but good luck finding someone selling them |
| 06:32:45 | dneuer | pkomarek: no vid card. Not a gamer |
| 06:33:00 | dneuer | pkomarek: just tired of waiting on X compiles |
| 06:33:12 | pkomarek | dneuer: hmm, I'll have to get current again. Funny, haven't helped anyone by a mobo for 6 weeks, and already my knowledge is obsolete. |
| 06:33:26 | pkomarek | =-) |
| 06:33:47 | dneuer | pkomarek: I couldn't believe how cheap everything was. I only got a 1 GHz CPU, but still |
| 06:34:01 | pkomarek | dneuer: I asked about the vid card because my sister asked for help with that today. |
| 06:34:01 | dneuer | pkomarek: the RAM prices are insanely low |
| 06:34:15 | pkomarek | dneuer: RAM prices are great. Did you buy crucial, corsair, or ...? |
| 06:34:30 | dneuer | uses cheap old Virge-DX card |
| 06:34:54 | dneuer | pkomarek: bought at Expo Mart show: only had Micron |
| 06:35:23 | dneuer | pkomarek: I would have only got 128 MB too, but they were out |
| 06:35:51 | pkomarek | dneuer: I appreciate people buying from Micron, the lone US SDRAM producer still standing, and one of two or three companies to stand up to Rambus, Rambus, and Rambus Attorneys At Law. |
| 06:36:17 | pkomarek | dneuer: 256 is what I tell people to get these days (most of them run Windows...) |
| 06:36:29 | dneuer | hopes RAMBUS gets totally fucked for fraud |
| 06:37:00 | dneuer | pkomarek: Linux doesn't need anywhere near that much, but GNOME will be happy |
| 06:37:35 | pkomarek | If anyone cares, mallum suggested I annouce that I have packaged the itsy fonts. They are available at http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/~komarek/notwork/computers/ipaq.html. You can also find my *brillian* (clone) game PyGlines there, now with landscape mode! |
| 06:38:03 | pkomarek | dneuer: was it you I spoke with about filesystems and block sizes? |
| 06:38:07 | dneuer | pkomarek: what Itsy fonts? |
| 06:38:12 | dneuer | pkomarek: yes |
| 06:38:17 | | itsy fonts are at http://staff.dstc.edu.au/julian/linux-vr/fonts/download/ |
| 06:38:17 | pkomarek | ibot: itsy fonts |
| 06:38:21 | | pkomarek: excuse me? |
| 06:38:21 | pkomarek | ibot itsy font package |
| 06:38:30 | | itsy fonts package is at http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/~komarek/notwork/computers/ipaq.html |
| 06:38:30 | pkomarek | ibot itsy fonts package |
| 06:38:56 | dneuer | pkomarek: are they just fonts optimized for the small display? |
| 06:38:58 | pkomarek | They're small fonts that jacques pointed me to, that come from the itsy project. |
| 06:39:05 | bhima | legendary? :) |
| 06:39:08 | dneuer | pkomarek: ahh, cool |
| 06:39:12 | pkomarek | yep, 4x6, 4x7, and 4x8 |
| 06:39:49 | pkomarek | dneuer: jacques said you can have 80 columns in landscape mode, but I still haven't checked that claim. I need to get that xrandr thing. |
| 06:40:20 | dneuer | pkomarek: why'd you bring up the fs conversation? |
| 06:40:35 | dneuer | pkomarek: I can't find the X build jg said had that stuff |
| 06:40:50 | dneuer | pkomarek: so I'm building my own |
| 06:41:34 | pkomarek | dneuer: thanks for reminding me. I was confused about whether you could skip having a block sizes on a filesystem. Found out today that ResierFS does just this, more-or-less. |
| 06:41:44 | pkomarek | dneuer: had which stuff? |
| 06:41:54 | pkomarek | dneuer: oh, xrandr |
| 06:42:15 | dneuer | pkomarek: the RandR working for 31xx. think the current unstable feed version works on color units |
| 06:42:49 | pkomarek | dneuer: right now I've got a modified init.d/x script that has a [landscape|portrait] arg for the "start" case, and an added "restart" case for convenience in switching. |
| 06:43:14 | pkomarek | dneuer: but it kills X to do it. |
| 06:44:05 | pkomarek | dneuer: are you the monochrome guy? |
| 06:44:14 | dneuer | pkomarek: so I hear |
| 06:44:31 | dneuer | pkomarek: that's what they tell me |
| 06:44:54 | pkomarek | dneuer: I'm still trying to keep all the handles straight. |
| 06:45:04 | pkomarek | s/handles/nicknames/ |
| 06:45:37 | dneuer | pkomarek: with RandR, can't you avoid killing server just for mode switching? |
| 06:46:23 | pkomarek | dneuer: I won't be able to go to the Pgh Deli Company bar on Sunday night whp (with high probability), but maybe you, Bhima and I ought to get together sometime more appropriate for your schedule (I'm not sure if my wife would have taken my life, but...) |
| 06:47:07 | dneuer | pkomarek, bhima: sounds good to me |
| 06:47:09 | smok | is back (gone 10:04:01) |
| 06:47:16 | bhima | doesn't have a wife. I do have a gf. but she keeps the same hours as me usually. |
| 06:47:23 | pkomarek | dneuer: I'm not using RandR, I just kill the server and restart with the right resolution. I haven't looked into RandR yet. |
| 06:47:38 | pkomarek | bhima: does she have an ipaq? ;-) |
| 06:47:52 | bhima | pko: nope. she has a newton messagepad though. |
| 06:48:17 | bhima | oh, and those compactflash 802.11 cards. they're not 802.11b / wavelan/orinoco compatible. |
| 06:48:18 | pkomarek | bhima: dneuer: We'll have to get an IRC client for the ipaq so we can use IR to send messages to each other across a table at a restaurant. |
| 06:48:34 | bhima | already been done with the newton five years ago :) |
| 06:48:41 | bhima | you can also beam burrito orders. |
| 06:48:55 | pkomarek | We wouldn't have to actually *talk*, would we? |
| 06:48:57 | sjohnson | yields in defeat. |
| 06:49:07 | bhima | (yes, somebody wrote some softwar called "burritobeamer" which would let you send your burrito order via IR) |
| 06:49:20 | pkomarek | bhima: send it to where? |
| 06:49:29 | bhima | pko: another newton. |
| 06:49:43 | pkomarek | bhima: so this doesn't work at taco time, then... |
| 06:49:56 | bhima | hopefully you knew a newton user who knew how to make burritos. |
| 06:50:17 | bhima | pko: attempting to acquire food doesn't work there, so, no. |
| 06:50:19 | pkomarek | bhima: dneuer: Is tomorrow a bad day for (possibly late) lunch? My wife is working comp time tomorrow? |
| 06:50:30 | bhima | 1pm or so? :) |
| 06:50:36 | bhima | hrm. maybe 2. |
| 06:51:32 | pkomarek | dneuer: bhima Is tomorrow a bad day for (possibly late) lunch? My wife is working comp time tomorrow? Or am I moving to fast in this relationship... |
| 06:51:56 | pkomarek | takes a typing break, darn timing of xwrits |
| 06:54:18 | dneuer | is gone tommorrow |
| 06:58:18 | pkomarek | is back |
| 06:58:38 | pkomarek | dneuer: having a 4-year old, I expect Bhima and I should work around your schedule. |
| 07:00:11 | dneuer | pkomarek: evenings and weekends are usually good, but I'm gone tommorrow and eves early next week are bad |
| 07:03:06 | bhima | http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmca-pittsburgh/ |
| 07:04:06 | pkomarek | dneuer: bhima: Evenings are fine for me, after 7:30pm unless I plan ahead. Daytime on Saturday is almost always good. |
| 07:04:21 | bhima | graffiti.spam.dmca |
| 07:04:54 | dneuer | pkomarek: eves later next week might work for me. Anyway, I'm going to bed. We can talk about this later on. Bye |
| 07:05:01 | bhima | g'night. |
| 07:06:08 | pkomarek | good idea about going to bed. Goodnight! |
| 07:06:13 | bhima | bah. |
| 07:06:19 | bhima | I guess I'll just eat some ice cream. |
| 07:06:36 | bhima | join my mailing list! |
| 07:06:53 | pkomarek | bhima: as much as I don't want to disappoint you, I am hoping to move back to a schedule closer to my wife's (daytime) schedule. |
| 07:09:45 | pkomarek | bhima: subscribed, I hope. |
| 07:10:29 | pkomarek | bhima: okay, confirmed. |
| 07:11:15 | bhima | very good. |
| 07:13:40 | bhima | cool, you're there now :) |
| 07:13:43 | pkomarek | bhima: got the welcome message |
| 07:14:02 | bhima | where do you think a web page should go? |
| 07:14:28 | pkomarek | bhima: ? |
| 07:14:49 | bhima | oh, just wondering about where to put up a page with static info about when/where/etc. |
| 07:15:04 | bhima | to be linked from fresklyaraov.org |
| 07:16:31 | pkomarek | bhima: does the yahoo group thing give you a page? |
| 07:17:08 | bhima | no, but yahoo owns, err, I forget which, one free web space provider. |
| 07:19:35 | pkomarek | bhima: ah. Well, on Monday I should be able to tell you whether I could host it in the math department. |
| 07:22:02 | bhima | wow, lycos has a nifty anti-bot system. |
| 07:22:16 | bhima | they have a graphic with a series of numbers with lots of noise. |
| 07:22:22 | bhima | you need to retype them. |
| 07:23:32 | pkomarek | bhima: lycos does? The yahoo head of research talked about this at an SCS invited talk. |
| 07:23:58 | bhima | yeah, lycos. seems like it's prolly anti-spam. |
| 07:24:12 | bhima | so spammers can't automatically regenerate pages for promotional stuff. |
| 07:25:34 | pkomarek | bhima: Where did you see this? |
| 07:25:41 | pkomarek | bhima: front page? |
| 07:25:49 | bhima | just registered an ID with lycos. |
| 07:28:20 | pkomarek | bhima: Hey, I'm getting sleepy, and I think I'm going to take advantage of that by sleeping. |
| 07:28:55 | bhima | bah. sleep is for the weak. |
| 07:29:20 | pkomarek | bhima: the weak, including graduate students. I'm an old man, almost 28! |
| 07:29:35 | bhima | pah. I'm 25. |
| 07:30:20 | pkomarek | bhima: Yeah, but you're not a grad student. My experience is that grades and dealines seemed less important once I finished my Ph.D. qualifier. ;-) |
| 07:30:36 | pkomarek | bhima: and hence, I'm happy to be weak now. |
| 07:30:44 | bhima | go. be weak elsewhere. |
| 07:31:05 | pkomarek | bhima: have a good night. See you later. |
| 07:31:16 | pkomarek | snores.... |
| 15:28:12 | | i guess unstable feed is at http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/ |
| 15:28:12 | nikos | ibot: unstable feed |
| 20:34:15 | v-rellid | anyone have a pointer to the aironet 802.11b module for familiar? |
| 20:39:57 | v-rellid | nevermind, a friend has the lucent |
| 21:08:55 | Mutiny | hoi |
| 21:58:18 | v-rellid | Hi- how do you actually start the keyboard app in familiar 4? |
| 22:01:03 | cjunky | its an x app |
| 22:01:28 | cjunky | if your running x just tap the screen and select inputs from the menu that appears |
| 22:02:47 | cjunky | goes to bed |
| 22:12:08 | v-rellid | hmm, there isn't an inputs on my menu |
| 22:20:24 | pisymbol | hey - can someone add a package to the repository or tell me where to stick it? |
| 22:22:10 | pisymbol | thinks up his derriere is not what he is looking for... |
| 22:24:51 | pisymbol | anyone alive and knows where to put new ipks to try so anyone can install and try |
| 22:28:44 | Mutiny | finally something interesting to do with my ipaq |
| 22:29:06 | Mutiny | i can install familiar and backup my WinCE with the USB cradle? |
| 22:31:50 | pisymbol | yes |
| 22:32:05 | pisymbol | err no not with the USB cradle |
| 23:49:09 | v-rellid | you need a serial cable/cradle |
| 23:50:20 | Mutiny | lil slow there :) |
| 23:50:28 | Mutiny | i asked that question over 1.5hrs ago |