| 03:37:29 | Darksmurf | Does anyone know if linux will run on the IPaq 3100 series? (16megs ram, mono screen) |
| 05:27:47 | a7r | laf.. |
| 07:42:33 | RoMo | hi |
| 07:43:06 | RoMo | does the targus keyboard work under linux/familiar? is there a setup how-to? |
| 08:29:19 | SleepingDragon | is away: hitting the rack |
| 11:02:23 | RoMo_ | does the targus keyboard work under linux/familiar? is there a setup how-to? |
| 13:46:10 | damian | heya |
| 13:46:25 | damian | backing up wince... *yay* |
| 13:47:47 | nikos | damian: Great |
| 13:49:27 | damian | is there a botlog of irc chat that i can search so i don't ask the same stupid questions you hear every day? |
| 13:51:31 | nikos | There was a long time ago. Boot frankly its too voluminous to be very useful. Go ahead and ask. You might try searching the wiki first though. |
| 13:52:12 | damian | *nod* reading thru all the docs on hh.org |
| 14:02:38 | swente | which recent kernel is available for use on ipaq ? i still suffer those sleep-awake-sleep cycles when the device suspended, and i'd like to try usb-networking. |
| 14:03:10 | swente | (familiar .4 is installed) |
| 14:03:16 | nikos | swente: usb-networking works with all familiar kernels. |
| 14:03:29 | swente | nikos: oh :) |
| 14:03:34 | nikos | swente: Can you be more specific about your sleep problem? |
| 14:04:45 | swente | nikos: when it slept in (due to no input events), i have to press the on/off button to wake it up. if it's awake (display "on"), any touch on screen makes it sleep away ... . after 2nd wakeup, it stays awake ... |
| 14:06:31 | nikos | swente: it does not sleep automatically, that's the screensaver kicking in, you have to put it to sleep manually. You just need to hit some other button to turn the screensaver off. |
| 14:06:45 | nikos | swente: You are confusing the lcd turning off with sleep. |
| 14:07:15 | swente | nikos: rotflbtc :) thanks ! |
| 14:07:22 | nikos | swente: sure. |
| 14:07:27 | swente | (just tried it - you're it *works*) |
| 14:07:51 | swente | s/you're// || s/it works/right/ |
| 14:07:53 | nikos | swente: It's all the little details that bite you. |
| 14:08:28 | swente | nikos: yes. i also managed to cross-compile a kernel from CVS-archive, but it seems i can't get the ser-driver working (and don't have ethernet on it). |
| 14:08:50 | swente | but - last attempt was some weeks ago. |
| 14:10:26 | mallum | hi nelson |
| 14:22:14 | damian | woohoo, installed bootloader, no problem! |
| 14:25:23 | damian | is away: meeting... uhg |
| 14:55:24 | frizz | I just received a dual sleeve and followed the 2.4.6 instructions. However, I'm having trouble with my D-Link card. I get the following error occasionally:bash-2.03# eth0: timeout waiting for Tx RDC. eth0: pcnet_reset_8390() did not complete. Hw. address read/write mismap 1 Hw. address read/write mismap 2 |
| 14:58:13 | sjohnson | frizz: You need the wlan-ng (prism2) drivers. They don't come with Familiar stable. There is a wlan-ng*.ipk in the unstabke Familiar Feed. |
| 15:02:41 | frizz | ok, I'll give that a try |
| 15:03:44 | nikos | ibot: search for ntp |
| 15:06:29 | frizz | Is there a version for 2.4.6, all I see is wlan-ng-0.1.8-pre13-2.4.3-rmk2-np1-arm.ipk |
| 15:09:17 | sjohnson | frizz: I've build a 2.4.6-rmk1-np2-devfs kernel and the wlan-ng drivers at my own feed. http://208.191.248.1/ipaq/feed |
| 15:09:46 | nikos | sjohnson: Do you have good bandwidth? You might want to put it on handhelds.org instead. |
| 15:10:21 | sjohnson | nikos: It's a ASDL line 128K uplink speed. |
| 15:11:05 | nikos | sjohnson: If it were me (and I did) I would setup on handhelds.org. I'm jealous of my bandwidth. ;) |
| 15:11:30 | sjohnson | nikos: How would I go about getting setup on handhelds.org? |
| 15:11:47 | nikos | sjohnson: You don't already have an account? |
| 15:12:28 | sjohnson | nikos: Nope. I just use guest on the skiffcluster when I need it. |
| 15:12:37 | nikos | sjohnson: Ah, I just assumed. |
| 15:12:56 | nikos | sjohnson: Send email to admin@handhelds.org requesting an account on h0.handhelds.org. |
| 15:13:10 | sjohnson | nikos: OK. |
| 15:13:36 | sjohnson | nikos: Anything special I have to say or request? |
| 15:13:57 | nikos | sjohnson: I think that should do it. I'm not sure it will happen quickly since jamey is on vacation. |
| 15:15:00 | frizz | what kernel option enables the wlan-ng driver? I can't seem to find it under "Network Devices" |
| 15:25:28 | nikos | frizz: Its not in the kernel sources, its a seperate project. |
| 15:26:57 | frizz | Interesting. Is there a web page that describes it? |
| 15:28:10 | nikos | frizz: Yes, let me find it. |
| 15:28:30 | nikos | frizz: http://www.linux-wlan.com/ |
| 15:29:13 | frizz | My D-Link card isn't wireless |
| 15:29:35 | nikos | Oops. ;) |
| 15:29:41 | nikos | Assumptions... ;) |
| 15:30:59 | frizz | The card works for a while, and then that error just keeps scrolling on the screen |
| 15:32:28 | frizz | Could it be a problem with the 8390 driver? |
| 15:33:11 | nikos | frizz: Probably. |
| 15:33:28 | nikos | Assuming that is the chipset you are using. |
| 15:33:34 | sjohnson | frizz: Whoa. Big whoops! Sorry. My bad. |
| 15:33:49 | frizz | Strange, it worked fine with the single sleeve and fam0.4 |
| 15:34:00 | frizz | (2.4.3 kernel) |
| 15:34:25 | sjohnson | is quietly leaving the wrong to go to lunch... |
| 15:34:28 | sjohnson | is away: lunch |
| 15:39:31 | nikos | is away: Getting food. |
| 15:56:54 | nikos | is back |
| 16:12:00 | damian | is back (gone 01:46:35) |
| 17:24:08 | sjohnson | is back (gone 01:49:41) |
| 17:31:13 | damian | ok...got thru writing and verifying the filesystem, when i go to boot, i get "Booting Linux image" and it seems to hang |
| 17:31:38 | damian | and suggestions? |
| 17:39:20 | damian | bleh... |
| 17:40:08 | nikos | damian: Get into bootloader, check partitions show and show your linuxargs variable. |
| 17:41:59 | damian | so do a hard restart? |
| 17:42:32 | nikos | damian: Little button on the bottom, yes. |
| 17:43:51 | damian | ok... |
| 17:46:24 | damian | nointrd root=/dev/mtdblock/3 init=/linuxrc console=ttySA0 |
| 17:48:28 | nikos | What about partition show? |
| 17:49:40 | nikos | damian: Wait, nointrd? should be noinitrd |
| 17:50:08 | damian | yeat, thats what it is |
| 17:50:18 | damian | not copy pasting... |
| 17:50:25 | nikos | damian: OK, just mkaing sure. |
| 17:50:44 | damian | on the partitions show, what are we looking for...theres a few lines |
| 17:51:02 | nikos | First of all, do you have 4? |
| 17:51:11 | damian | yep |
| 17:51:26 | damian | bootldr, params, kernel, root |
| 17:51:43 | nikos | Compare the sizes, etc. to what the install documents said. |
| 17:52:07 | nikos | damian: bootloader should be 4000, params 4000, kernel either 8000 or c000 |
| 17:52:24 | nikos | damian: Compare root size to what the instructions told you to do. |
| 17:52:34 | nikos | damian: Then do the math and make sure none of them overlap. |
| 17:53:08 | damian | k |
| 17:53:45 | damian | all looks right.. |
| 17:54:12 | nikos | damian: What model ipaq is this? |
| 17:54:36 | damian | 3635 |
| 17:55:00 | nikos | Hmm, OK. |
| 17:55:40 | nikos | Well, double check all md5sums. Flash the kernel again. Try it. IF that doesn't work, flash the root image again. |
| 17:57:07 | damian | how do i check md5sums on windows? |
| 17:57:18 | | windows md5sum is http://www.etree.org/md5com.html or http://www.etree.org/software1.html or http://lists.debian.org/debian-italian-0103/msg00045.html |
| 17:57:18 | nikos | ibot: windows md5sum |
| 17:58:24 | damian | thnx |
| 18:01:41 | mutex-work | is the familiar bug database actively used ? |
| 18:02:42 | nikos | mutex-work: Yes, please contribute. |
| 18:03:32 | mutex-work | nikos: i shall |
| 18:03:56 | nikos | mutex-work: Thank you. |
| 18:04:08 | mutex-work | the power management problem hasn't been entered is that correct? |
| 18:04:38 | nikos | mutex-work: I don't have any idea. Please search. |
| 18:04:45 | mutex-work | the one where it doesn't boot after %60 of the batter power is left |
| 18:05:15 | mutex-work | hmm it would appear not |
| 18:05:35 | nikos | mutex-work: I have no idea whether its in there, it is extremely well known and long standing. |
| 18:06:05 | mutex-work | yeah, it's not in there, should i just enter it ? |
| 18:06:12 | mutex-work | is bothered by this bug |
| 18:08:55 | damian | nikos: ahhh, wrong md5sum...redownloaded and checked out fine. reloading on to the ipaq..thnx |
| 18:09:15 | damian | we'll see if it works in an hour .. |
| 18:09:21 | nikos | damian: Cool! Its nice to find a problem. ;) |
| 18:09:28 | nikos | mutex-work: Go for it. |
| 18:10:06 | damian | on the kernel zimages, fam1 or fam2? |
| 18:19:19 | damian | nm\ |
| 18:19:19 | nikos | damian: fam2, the 'non-fam' one is a symlink to fam2. |
| 18:22:06 | damian | 40 minutes left to see if i got it right *this* time :) |
| 18:23:35 | nikos | damian: You should do the bootstrap image. |
| 18:23:53 | damian | huh? |
| 18:25:45 | nikos | damian: What root image are you uploading? |
| 18:26:19 | damian | the big one |
| 18:26:39 | nikos | complete? |
| 18:26:41 | damian | yeah |
| 18:27:37 | damian | good idea, try the little one first? |
| 18:27:38 | nikos | The bootstrap one is much smaller, then you just setup networking and install packages. |
| 18:27:56 | damian | no network card here |
| 18:28:12 | nikos | usbnet, ppp, etc. |
| 18:28:17 | | it has been said that usbnet is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking |
| 18:28:17 | nikos | ibot: usbnet |
| 18:28:21 | | ppp is http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/PPPHowto |
| 18:28:21 | nikos | ibot: ppp |
| 18:30:57 | frizz | There must be a bug in the dual sleeve code, because I've used the exact same setup with the single and dual sleeve, and I only get problems with my nic when the dual sleeve is used. |
| 18:31:45 | nikos | frizz: So with the same modules and the same kernel, the NIC card works with the single sleeve but not the dual sleeve? |
| 18:31:52 | frizz | yes |
| 18:32:21 | frizz | it's an ne2000 card |
| 18:33:01 | nikos | frizz: Very interesting, send email to the ipaq@handhelds.org list and also jamey.hicks@compaq.com. Include all the detail you can. Jamey is on vacation so may not see your email for a while. |
| 18:33:52 | frizz | I sent one to the linux@handhelds.org list, no response yet though |
| 18:34:20 | nikos | frizz: jamey writes the driver, so there may not be much of one while he is away. |
| 18:38:02 | frizz | could it possibly be a power problem? |
| 18:38:43 | nikos | frizz: Why do you say that? |
| 18:38:57 | nikos | frizz: Do you have everything well charged? |
| 18:39:18 | frizz | I've got the AC adapter plugged into the ipaq |
| 18:39:33 | frizz | Do I need to charge the dual sleeve also first? |
| 18:39:37 | nikos | frizz: So why did you bring up a power problem? |
| 18:39:41 | nikos | frizz: Is it blinking? |
| 18:40:06 | frizz | It's the only difference I can think of between the two sleeves. |
| 18:40:45 | frizz | The single sleeve has been plugged into the ipaq for a month, but the dual sleeve just arrived this morning. It's light is not blinking, though. |
| 18:41:01 | nikos | frizz: If it's on solid then it at least thinks that it is fully charged. |
| 18:44:16 | frizz | I'm curious, should the AC adapter be plugged into the sleeve or the ipaq? |
| 18:45:58 | nikos | frizz: Either, they are connected. |
| 18:48:46 | sjohnson | frizz: The dual sleeve will recharge from the iPAQ when they are connected. |
| 18:51:22 | nikos | BBrox: You there? |
| 18:51:53 | nikos | Why does http://handhelds.org/projects/wincerestoration.html talk about Linux <..> Distribution md5sums? |
| 18:52:38 | BBrox | nikos: yup |
| 18:53:17 | nikos | BBrox: What does 'Linux French Language Distribution - provided by Lionel Ulmer:' mean on the wince restoration page? |
| 18:55:23 | BBrox | nikos: well, 'Linux' should not be there :-) |
| 18:56:07 | nikos | BBrox: As you will notice, its all over the page and its confusing the hell out of me. |
| 18:58:10 | damian | woohooo, we have penguin |
| 18:58:36 | nikos | damian: Congrats. |
| 19:05:08 | xyg | are there any docs on creating/modifying jffs2 filesystem images? |
| 19:05:46 | xyg | i found docs for cramfs, but familiar 0.4 uses jffs |
| 19:09:39 | nikos | BBrox: I fixed that. |
| 19:09:55 | nikos | xyg: You would need to sift through the mtd docs at developer.axis.com |
| 19:37:43 | Cameron | is lunched! |
| 19:52:24 | damian | "Data CRC failed on node 0x00a75c84" is this a bad thing? |
| 19:52:42 | nikos | Its not good. |
| 19:53:04 | damian | i gathered :) |
| 19:53:25 | damian | do i have to reboot and think happy thoughts? |
| 19:54:02 | nikos | You could wait till you actually have a problem. |
| 19:54:13 | xyg | just pretend you didnt see that |
| 19:54:15 | nikos | But if you do reflash, keep the lcd off and try to keep the ipaq cool. |
| 19:54:30 | damian | well, i'm stuck after "freeing init memory 60k" |
| 19:54:38 | nikos | reflash time... |
| 19:54:44 | damian | Yay!!! |
| 19:59:27 | damian | task for another day... |
| 19:59:33 | damian | thanks for the help all |
| 20:04:56 | xyg | ok they have a .tar file of the task-familiar-complete image |
| 20:05:00 | xyg | that rules |
| 20:05:24 | xyg | i can just use mkfs.jffs2 after im done messing with the image |