| 00:31:55 | damian | allo |
| 00:33:02 | mindrape | hello |
| 00:33:31 | damian | finally got the ipaq running |
| 00:35:17 | mindrape | i'm in the process of uploading muh file system |
| 00:35:18 | mindrape | then install qpe |
| 00:36:13 | damian | cool |
| 00:36:47 | mindrape | only thing tho |
| 00:36:59 | mindrape | is the stowaway keyboard locks up when it comes out of suspend mode |
| 00:37:02 | mindrape | not sure how to resolve that |
| 01:48:27 | mindrape | anybody know if stowaway support has improved? |
| 03:00:23 | mindrape | any qpe users in here |
| 04:12:30 | Dragon_at_Dennys | is away: taking a break |
| 05:07:13 | cmarqu | hello |
| 05:26:22 | DragonEagle | is back |
| 07:17:26 | SleepingDragon | is away: good night all |
| 08:38:01 | RoMo | hi |
| 09:07:13 | RoMo | hi |
| 09:07:14 | RoMo | where can I download zImage-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-fam4_hh3 and task-bootstrap-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-fam4-hh3.jffs2 ? |
| 09:53:32 | RoMo | fs/modules.dep (No such file or directory) |
| 09:53:32 | RoMo | modprobe: modprobe: Can't open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.4.6-rmk1-np2-dev |
| 09:53:33 | RoMo | fs/modules.dep (No such file or directory) |
| 09:53:35 | RoMo | help |
| 10:26:09 | mpakula | is AWAY at 14:27:38 : Not behind the keyboard |
| 12:45:20 | damian | heya |
| 12:59:02 | mpakuAWAY | while uploading kernel and bootstrap all my data will be gone, right? |
| 12:59:29 | mpakula | is back after 0 d 2 h 33 m 19 s |
| 13:04:18 | dneuer | mpakula: what's on it now? |
| 13:06:15 | mpakula | dneuer: 2.4.3-rmk2-np1 and task-familiar-complete.jffs2 |
| 13:07:36 | mpakula | dneuer: i didn't upgrade it since changing os and right now I'm waiting for 0.5 hoping for it to have all the cute feeds already in package |
| 13:13:07 | dneuer | mpakula: well, overwriting the kernel & installing new modules as a package won't overwrite your data, but overwriting the root fs partition (by flashing bootstrap.jffs2) will |
| 13:14:46 | mpakula | dneuer: do you think there is a need for upgrading the kernel ? |
| 13:15:27 | RoMo_ | hi |
| 13:15:27 | RoMo_ | which is the best kernel and bootstrap release i should use for a dual pcmcia sleeve and a stowaway keyboard? |
| 13:28:21 | dneuer | mpakula: are you having problems w/ 2.4.3? |
| 13:28:41 | dneuer | RoMo_: what are you using now? |
| 13:30:18 | mpakula | dneuer: no but I'm buying dual sleeve and 1 GB microdrive I don't want to have any surprises with kernel that cannot recognize it |
| 13:45:26 | dneuer | mpakula: then you probably will need to upgrade. Right now I think that some variation of 2.4.6-rmk1-np2 is the most stable version that supports the dual sleeve |
| 14:00:37 | mpakula | dneuer: is familiar 0.5 comes with that possibility of dual sleeve ? |
| 14:24:37 | RoMo_ | dneuer: 0.4 out of the box |
| 14:24:42 | RoMo_ | but i cannot use the dual sleeve |
| 14:31:35 | SleepingDragon | is back |
| 15:12:48 | dneuer | RoMo_: I believe .4 out of the box uses 2.4.3, which doesn't support the dual sleeve. You need to update your kernel & modules to 2.4.6-rmk1-np2, I think |
| 15:13:08 | dneuer | mpakula: I know nothing about what kernel & moudles .5 will use |
| 15:13:14 | mutex-work | i'm trying to ssh to my ipaq, but it seems to not be responding, and yes my sshd is running |
| 15:13:31 | mutex-work | i can ping each interface (computer/ipaq) but i can't ssh |
| 15:15:30 | dneuer | mutex-work: what happens when you try? |
| 15:16:20 | mutex-work | dneuer: it just hangs, i should comment that it worked BEFORE i upgraded my kernel to 2.4.6-rmk1-np2-devfs |
| 15:17:41 | dneuer | mutex-work: hmm. I don't know why that would break it. You only updated the kernel & modules? |
| 15:18:01 | mutex-work | dneuer: i updated the kernel, and the ppp modules... any others i should have installed ? |
| 15:19:06 | dneuer | mutex-work: what version modules? |
| 15:19:28 | dneuer | mutex-work: sorry. let me clarify. What version of the kernel & modules were you using before? |
| 15:19:45 | mutex-work | dneuer: stock familiar 4.0 |
| 15:20:07 | dneuer | mutex-work: you need to upgrade all of your modules to match your kernel version |
| 15:20:22 | mutex-work | dneuer: well it loads a different kernel, right ? |
| 15:20:32 | mutex-work | dneuer: so it would load the different module set |
| 15:20:47 | RoMo_ | dneuer: i haven't found the root + kernel file on the handhelds.org ftp <see my posting @ the MLs> |
| 15:20:47 | RoMo_ | :< |
| 15:21:08 | dneuer | RoMo_: yeah, it's on lorien.handhelds.org for some reason, I think |
| 15:21:17 | mutex-work | dneuer: and i would think that all i need for ppp connection is the ppp modules, and the TCP/IP support which is compiled in |
| 15:21:38 | dneuer | mutex-work: you compiled in all of the pcmcia modules? |
| 15:21:54 | mutex-work | dneuer: why would i need pcmcia modules ? |
| 15:22:10 | RoMo_ | dneuer: but also i'Ve looked their and couldnt find it there :< |
| 15:22:12 | dneuer | mutex-work: what network interface are you using? |
| 15:22:26 | mutex-work | dneuer: serial cable |
| 15:23:06 | RoMo_ | dneuer: i'm looking for zImage-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-fam4_hh3 and zImage-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-fam4_hh3 as described on http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Linux2.4.6 |
| 15:23:20 | dneuer | mutex-work: ahh. Beats me then. |
| 15:24:37 | mutex-work | damnit |
| 15:24:48 | mutex-work | i should probably downgrade my kernel |
| 15:25:15 | dneuer | RoMo_: ftp://lorien.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/demo/ |
| 15:26:48 | dneuer | RoMo_: doesn't have the exact version you quoted from the docs, but I think that version w/out the _hh3 part is probably the same thing |
| 15:26:57 | mutex-work | dneuer: is there a place i can get ipkg's for the stock familiar kernel+modules ? |
| 15:28:24 | mutex-work | dneuer: hrm, i'm looking here and i see a package about serial modules ? maybe i'm missing that ? |
| 15:31:39 | dneuer | mutex-work: could be, but one would wonder why you could ping. The serial stuff did change quite a bit between versions though. Might want to try that |
| 15:32:02 | dneuer | mutex-work: I have no idea where the stock familiar .4 kernel lives at this point |
| 15:33:12 | mutex-work | dneuer: hmm at boot i am getting the error: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-14 |
| 16:42:20 | dneuer | mutex-work: I think char-major-14 is an alias for the sound driver |
| 16:44:17 | mutex-work | dneuer: i downgraded my kernel, and everything works fine |
| 16:47:18 | dneuer | mutex-work: did you ever try upgrading the serial modules? |
| 16:48:14 | dneuer | is using 2.4.6-rmk1-np2-mono1, and has had no problems w/ ssh, but uses NIC rather than ppp |
| 16:48:51 | mutex-work | dneuer: yeah, i upgraded serial, loopback, couple other ones |
| 16:49:05 | mutex-work | and i just got usbnet working |
| 16:49:11 | mutex-work | so i think i'll stick with what i have ;-) |
| 16:49:42 | dneuer | mutex-work: makes sense |
| 16:51:02 | mutex-work | dneuer: do you know the status of the "no battery power after ~ %60 drain" bug ? |
| 17:16:49 | dneuer | mutex-work: no |
| 17:17:24 | dneuer | mutex-work: someone sent me and Jamey a fix for that. I haven't committed it, jamey might have |
| 17:17:54 | dneuer | has been having job search and desktop glitch issues |
| 17:18:25 | dneuer | mutex-work: desktop issues are fixed now, but still job hunting, so I haven't had lots of hacking time |
| 17:20:56 | mutex-work | dneuer: heh, it's all good... that's just my pet peeve right now ;-) |
| 18:23:14 | nikos | is away: Errand |
| 19:03:56 | nikos | is back |
| 19:37:20 | _HONKEY_ | anyone qpe users in here? |
| 19:41:01 | mutex-work | _HONKEY_: i use qpe |
| 19:48:18 | _HONKEY_ | mutex: i'm having problems with suspend mode |
| 19:48:23 | _HONKEY_ | it goes into suspend, and then i can't get out of it |
| 19:48:25 | _HONKEY_ | =( |
| 19:48:30 | _HONKEY_ | i have to reset the whole device |
| 19:48:56 | mutex-work | _HONKEY_: how much battery power do you have ? |
| 19:49:37 | _HONKEY_ | 100% |
| 19:49:47 | _HONKEY_ | it's connected to the a/c |
| 19:49:52 | mutex-work | hrm |
| 19:49:54 | mutex-work | that's no good |
| 19:50:08 | _HONKEY_ | when i push the power button |
| 19:50:13 | mutex-work | are you sure you have the hp3600 utils installed ? |
| 19:50:13 | _HONKEY_ | the screen comes on, but very very dimmed |
| 19:50:37 | _HONKEY_ | positive, i installed it and the apmd package according to the qpe installation notes |
| 19:51:41 | _HONKEY_ | the 3600 utils installs the led util |
| 19:52:00 | mutex-work | _HONKEY_: so what happens if you press the resume button twice ? |
| 19:52:01 | _HONKEY_ | now i did notice a symbol refernece in booting up |
| 19:52:26 | _HONKEY_ | the screen comes on very very dimly, and doesn't respond to stylus input |
| 19:52:40 | mutex-work | hmm |
| 19:52:49 | nikos | _HONKEY_: Hit some other button. |
| 19:53:40 | _HONKEY_ | nikos: i tried all buttons |
| 19:53:57 | _HONKEY_ | the only way to get it to come back on is to reset it via the hole on the bottom right hand corner |
| 19:54:12 | nikos | _HONKEY_: OK. Just an idea, but I think my idea only has to do with X, which you are not using. I don't know anything about qpe and will shut up now. |
| 19:55:11 | _HONKEY_ | well nikos, i've installed qpe before and i used the xwindows install |
| 19:55:22 | _HONKEY_ | and it worked tehn, but this time i used the base install, and having issues... |
| 19:55:45 | _HONKEY_ | maybe i'll try installing the complete image and see if i can reproduce it |
| 19:56:34 | _HONKEY_ | would using the ????.14 bootldr (not .8) be an issue? |
| 19:58:08 | nikos | I have no idea. |
| 19:58:37 | _HONKEY_ | ok next question =) |
| 19:58:55 | _HONKEY_ | ne improvements on stowaway support (aka coming out of a suspend doesn't stop listening to the keyboard?) |
| 20:01:34 | _HONKEY_ | mutex: did you start with the xwindows image and then trim it down and then put qpe on it? |
| 20:01:38 | _HONKEY_ | or did you use the basic image? |
| 20:02:34 | mutex-work | _HONKEY_: base image |
| 20:03:17 | _HONKEY_ | then i've must of done something wrong |
| 20:05:32 | _HONKEY_ | bootldr .8 i take it |
| 20:07:22 | mutex-work | _HONKEY_: i don't recall |
| 20:12:09 | nikos | nelson: What's the status of the bleeding feed? |
| 20:15:13 | nelson | Right now, I'm updating it by hand, and ipkg has a bug that causes it to not necessarily use the right package when two identically-named packages exist in the same feed, but modulo that, it's working fine. |
| 20:15:48 | nikos | nelson: Ah, I just caught it at the wrong moment, Packages was empty a moment ago, but it looks good now. Good job. |
| 20:18:31 | nelson | yeah, chose to update it at that moment, for some curious reason. :) |
| 20:21:09 | _HONKEY_ | hmm seems to be a deep sleep mode |
| 20:21:11 | _HONKEY_ | pulls his hair out |
| 20:29:25 | terrys | this may be a dumb question but as the ipkg repository gets built up, how is a package's source distribution going to differ from its binary |
| 20:33:24 | terrys | anyone ?? |
| 20:33:37 | a7r | terrys: I missed the question.. |
| 20:34:13 | terrys | are there plans for how an ipkg source distro may differ from its binary... |
| 20:34:28 | a7r | people are working on things, nothing is finalized. |
| 20:34:42 | terrys | any details however fleeting |
| 20:35:07 | a7r | we've been using Debian's tools in the past.. so if you want to build up parts of Familiar on your own, try checking out Debian/ARM, and their source packages. |
| 20:37:12 | terrys | yes - but given that nelson is merging feeds - do you think there is a need for a corresponding source feed to one which handles just binaries ? |
| 20:37:27 | a7r | Nelson is doing what? |
| 20:37:32 | jg | a7r: have you any idea why my natively built X server is so much bigger than the cross built one? |
| 20:37:54 | a7r | jg: because the Debian compiler is built to generate ARM3 code? |
| 20:38:25 | jg | Dunno, Is it? |
| 20:38:34 | a7r | it is generating ARM3, for sure. |
| 20:38:50 | jg | Then we need a StrongARM toolchain for intimate... |
| 20:39:12 | a7r | yeah.. I have the beginnings of one.. it's actually pretty straight forward to do from Debian's source package. |
| 20:39:41 | _HONKEY_ | a7r: is there any reason to use 2.14.14? |
| 20:39:43 | a7r | it's just an argument change in debian/rules, to configure. |
| 20:39:44 | _HONKEY_ | bootldr that is |
| 20:39:46 | BBrox | a7r: you cannot just modify GCC's spec file to add the armv4l and sa1110 flags ? |
| 20:40:10 | a7r | BBrox: I think some of the defaults are compile time, but you can just give it command-line arguments. |
| 20:40:36 | a7r | that's actually a good idea.. jg, have you tried passing in the args to have it use SA-1110 registers? |
| 20:41:17 | BBrox | I only touched once GCC's spec file, so I dunno if you can force the -mXXXXX options in there... |
| 20:41:19 | jg | I'm seeing 16% bigger code when compiled native: 120K extra on 720K base... |
| 20:41:53 | jg | a7r: what are the arguments? |
| 20:42:24 | a7r | jg: -mcpu=strongarm is a good start. |
| 20:42:30 | BBrox | -march=armv4 -mtune=strongarm1100 |
| 20:42:39 | BBrox | (this is what I use in my programs :-) ) |
| 20:42:45 | a7r | -mtune is the same as -mcpu |
| 20:43:14 | jg | is it possible to tell GCC to do this by default in this mystic spec file? |
| 20:43:27 | a7r | GCC has a habit of sometimes ignoring the spec file.. I'm not sure while. |
| 20:43:33 | a7r | s/while/why/ |
| 20:43:36 | a7r | blah |
| 20:45:18 | jg | We need to get this to happen by default, or most people won't bother when building software. 16% is alot... |
| 20:46:04 | BBrox | And it's also slower |
| 20:46:16 | BBrox | (no Byte / Halfword access) |
| 20:46:47 | jg | Ah, so, Witek and Dobberpuhl learned the Alpha lesson well... |
| 20:47:01 | BBrox | a7r: maybe there, no ? |
| 20:47:03 | BBrox | *predefines: |
| 20:47:03 | BBrox | -Dunix -D__arm__ -Dlinux -Asystem(unix) -Asystem(posix) -Acpu(arm) -Amachine(arm) -D__ELF__ |
| 20:47:26 | a7r | BBrox: yah, I messed w/ changing that, but gcc wouldn't generate the right output.. |
| 20:47:47 | jg | where is this mystic config file? |
| 20:48:48 | a7r | it's more spec than config.. it's usually in /usr/lib/gcc-lib/*/*/specs |
| 20:48:54 | BBrox | /usr/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/2.95.4/specs |
| 20:50:37 | _HONKEY_ | hmm unresolved symbol in loading apm |
| 20:50:46 | jg | Looks really mystic to me..... |
| 20:51:05 | _HONKEY_ | wonder if that has anything with forcing me to use the "reset" buton on muh ipaq when it goes into deep sleep |
| 20:51:09 | BBrox | Yup, it's really arcane :-) |
| 20:52:14 | jg | *cpp_cpu_arch_default: |
| 20:52:14 | jg | -D__ARM_ARCH_3__ |
| 20:52:33 | a7r | jg: that's part of it.. the -As are the important ones, though. |
| 20:57:51 | BBrox | jg: that -D is only for the preprocessor |
| 21:01:49 | jg | OK, I'm building with -mcpu=strongarm to confirm this bloat theory... |
| 22:18:23 | _HONKEY_ | alright, i' |
| 22:18:28 | _HONKEY_ | m trying to find info on bootldr 2.14.14 |
| 22:18:40 | _HONKEY_ | is there a reason why i should use this version as opposed to 2.14.8? |
| 22:37:36 | _HONKEY_ | starwars.com is pleased to announce that Star Wars: Episode II Attack of the Clones is the full title for the next Star Wars film, scheduled for release in 2002. |
| 22:37:36 | _HONKEY_ | Attack of the Clones joins The Phantom Menace, A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi as chapter titles in the six-episode Skywalker saga. |
| 22:37:38 | _HONKEY_ | ack |
| 22:37:40 | _HONKEY_ | wrong window |
| 23:36:00 | mindrape | ok |
| 23:36:17 | mindrape | let's see if i can get this qpe to resume without having to reset the damn thing |