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00:30:18a7r was last seen on #familiar 3 hours, 37 minutes and 45 seconds ago, saying: jg: that's part of it.. the -As are the important ones, though. [Mon Aug  6 21:52:33 2001]
00:30:18jg_ibot: seen a7r?
03:43:23DragonEagle_outis away: need a break
05:05:53cmarqugreetings
07:22:38DragonEagle_out_like_a_lightis away: good night all
09:46:55mpakulawhere can i find pickpack app
10:43:17dneuerhi
10:44:05mpakuladneuer: hi
11:04:47dneuerhow you doing?
11:16:42mpakulais AWAY at 15:18:12 : Not behind the keyboard
11:27:20mpakulais back after 0 d 0 h 10 m 38 s
12:55:04_HONKEY_nothing like waking up to aphex twin in the morning
12:57:45nikosrock... Depending on the period that could be very disturbing...
13:20:21_HONKEY_cranks twin
13:20:32_HONKEY_nikos: have you downgraded your bootldr before?
13:20:46_HONKEY_i'm trying to go from 2.14.14 to 2.14.8 (to see if that is my issue with the deep sleep)
13:21:01nikos_HONKEY_: I've never been up past 2.14.8, but I don't think that should be a problem.
13:22:54_HONKEY_then i'm at a loss why i'm having issue with deep sleep =(
13:31:25damianallo
13:32:40nikosHi damian
13:34:06damiannikos: hey, thanks for the help the other day... got everything working now
13:34:25nikosdamian: Great
13:34:45damianjust waiting for the microdrive to come so i can get room to do stuff
13:57:44angeHi.  Does anybody know if there is a socks ipkg for familar floating around?
14:01:59DragonEagle_out_like_a_lightis back
15:38:38sjohnsonis away: lunch
15:41:50nikosis away: Getting food
16:15:59nikosis back
16:46:19sjohnsonis back (gone 01:07:41)
17:54:15CmdrChalupahey all
17:54:41nikosHello CmdrChalupa
17:55:12nikosis away: Errand
17:56:25CmdrChalupaI read the wikki, am trying to make the dual slot pcmcia card adapter work.  Starting a fresh install in order to do it didn't work because the 3c589_cs module was missing
17:56:30CmdrChalupaanyone have any suggestions?
17:59:23sjohnsonCmdrChalupa: What kernel to you upgrade to?
18:01:49CmdrChalupa2.4.6
18:05:36sjohnsonDid your install the 3c589 kernel module? The new kernel scheme has most of the kernel module broken apart.
18:06:37CmdrChalupahow can I when I have no network connectivity?
18:09:04sjohnsonCmdrChalupa: You can zmodem the .ipk file to ipaq and ipkg install /path/to/ipk-file.
18:09:23CmdrChalupaoh...ok
18:10:35sjohnsonCmdrChalupa: I suggest using /tmp. It's faster and saves wear&tear on the jffs2.
18:13:02CmdrChalupakay
18:14:44CmdrChalupawhat happens if I use the really big jffs2 from familiar 0.4 and install that 2.4.6 kernel??  Will all the modules from it be missing?
18:17:07sjohnsonCmdrChalupa: You need to have the modules for the new kernel installed before install the new kernel and rebooting.
18:17:44CmdrChalupaI just realized
18:17:49CmdrChalupagrins sheepishly
18:18:17sjohnsonCmdrChalupa: If you did it already, just reload the old kernel zImage with bootldr.
18:18:41CmdrChalupayep
18:19:26sjohnsonWhen I upgrade kernel, I will load the new kernel-modules-..., pcmcia-modules and the new other modules  I need to boot and network connectivity.
18:20:00sjohnsonI load new kernel, reboot and then remove the old kernel modules, and then install the rest of the new kernel modules I need.
18:24:50sjohnsonis away: be right back
18:37:26sjohnsonis back (gone 00:12:36)
18:39:04CmdrChalupadon't you hate it when someone misnames the directory the modules are in??  I know I do :)
18:41:29sjohnsonannoying yes.
18:43:08CmdrChalupaah well, I get practice reloading kernels :)
18:56:24CmdrChalupawhat would cause modules sa1100_cs.o to have unresolved symbols in h3600_sleeve_register_driver and h3600_sleeve_unregister_driver  ???
18:59:31sjohnsonCmdrChalupa: You need the backpaq modules
18:59:56nikossjohnson: Are you sure you don't mean the pcmcia modules?
19:00:34sjohnsonCould be that also.
19:00:58CmdrChalupaI have the pcmcia modules
19:00:59nikosbackpaq modules are unnecessary unless you are using a project mercury device.
19:01:26nikosAt least, I don't have any backpaq* ipkgs installed and everything seems OK for me.
19:01:40CmdrChalupaDo you use the dual pcmcia sleeve?
19:01:47nikosCmdrChalupa: No, dual sleeve.
19:03:27CmdrChalupanikos: so you don't have one?
19:04:11nikosCmdrChalupa: Argh, I misread your post.  Yes, I have and use a dual sleeve.
19:04:23CmdrChalupahmm...then what am I missing...
19:06:05nikossh-2.03# ipkg status | grep module
19:06:06nikosPackage: nfs-modules-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-devfs
19:06:06nikosPackage: vfat-modules-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-devfs
19:06:06nikosPackage: wvlan-modules-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-devfs
19:06:06nikosPackage: netlink-modules-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-devfs
19:06:08nikosPackage: libpam-modules
19:06:10nikosPackage: sound-modules-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-devfs
19:06:11nikosPackage: kernel-modules-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-devfs
19:06:14nikosPackage: pcmcia-modules-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-devfs
19:06:16nikosPackage: ide-modules-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-devfs
19:06:17nikosPackage: packet-modules-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-devfs
19:06:19nikosThose are the module packages that I have installed.
19:06:31CmdrChalupaide
19:08:03CmdrChalupanope..hmm
19:11:24CmdrChalupaokay, I'm installing zImage-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-devfs instead of zImage-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-fam now
19:11:49nikosCmdrChalupa: You did create a symlink or something to correct the module path thing didn't you?
19:11:57CmdrChalupayes
19:12:05nikosOK.
19:12:29CmdrChalupaokay, that kernel image is too big
19:13:19nikosCmdrChalupa: Yes, you have to change the partitioning to use devfs.
19:15:13CmdrChalupais there any way to do it without obliterating my install?
19:16:01sjohnsonCmdrChalupa: Nope.
19:17:01CmdrChalupaokay are there any docs on that?
19:18:23i heard 246 was http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Linux2.4.6
19:18:23nikosibot: 246
19:19:16nikosCmdrChalupa: If I remember correctly, partition reset will set it up with 768KB kernel, then just be sure to do the math to setup your root correctly.
19:20:20CmdrChalupabut nobody knows where those dependency errors are coming from
19:42:02CmdrChalupagot it
19:42:14CmdrChalupa!!  I had to manually insert the sleeve module for some strange reason
19:44:50nikosThat is odd.
19:45:12sjohnsonCmdrChalupa: What's in your /etc/modules file?
19:45:31CmdrChalupaafter I put sleeve in it:
19:45:34CmdrChalupaapm
19:45:37CmdrChalupah3600_ts
19:45:42CmdrChalupah3600-sleeve
19:45:47CmdrChalupasa1100-rtc
19:46:00CmdrChalupanow I need to figure out what to alias to net-pf-17
19:46:15sjohnsonHm, ok you've already added it.
19:47:56CmdrChalupasjohnson: what do you have aliased to net-pf-17 in /etc/modules.conf ?
19:49:20sjohnsonI don't have that aliased.
19:50:02sjohnsonis away: phone
20:04:23sjohnsonis back (gone 00:14:21)
20:42:59CmdrChalupahi again...sorry I'm asking all these questions...I got the sleeve working...but, when I stick in a wireless or wired ethernet card I get a "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0 transmit timed out" error
20:43:30CmdrChalupalook familiar (pardon the pun) to anybody?
20:44:36sjohnsonWhat type of card is it?
20:45:32CmdrChalupawell, two are 3c_589cs cards and one is an SMC2632w
20:45:41CmdrChalupaer, 3c589_cs
20:47:01sjohnsonOh. Ethernet cards. I haven't messed with them at all.
20:47:33sjohnsonis obsessed on 802.11b cards for some reason.
20:47:48CmdrChalupaSMC2632w is an 802.11b card
20:48:15CmdrChalupaI'm gonna have a heck of a time getting it to work, though...it's a Prism II chipset card
20:48:37sjohnsonOh miss read the number. The SMC card will need the wlan-ng drivers. They don't come in the stock familiar.
20:48:48CmdrChalupayeah, I know that
20:49:07sjohnsonCmdrChalupa: I did compile my own 2.5.6-rmk1-np2 kernel ato get the drivers to work.
20:49:10CmdrChalupaI saw that it was 0.1.8...is there anything, um, earlier?
20:50:29sjohnsonI've my own feed at http://208.191.248.1/ipaq/feed that have a compile kernel, pcmcia-cs and wlan-ng dirvers 0.1.8-pre13.
20:50:44sjohnsonThe kernel and drivers are working find for nikos and me.
20:50:54CmdrChalupaokay
20:51:10sjohnsonhas one of neuron's fire...
20:51:34sjohnsonI just noticed your nick, any relation to CmdrTaco of /. fame?
20:52:05CmdrChalupaam not related...just decided to kinda copycat ;)
20:52:15nikosstill owes sjohnson a big one for his work on wlan-ng.
20:52:47CmdrChalupacan't reach that directory on that host....
20:53:03CmdrChalupanikos:  does lnxreq_wlansniff work on your wlan-ng drivers?
20:53:18nikosCmdrChalupa: s/your/sjohnson's/
20:53:34CmdrChalupaokay
20:53:36nikosCmdrChalupa: I have no idea.  How would I check that.  I'm a wireless newbie.
20:53:42nikoss/that./that?/
20:54:12sjohnsonCmdrChalupa: Try -  http://208.191.248.1/ipaq/feed/
20:54:35CmdrChalupawlanctl-ng lnxreq_wlansniff enable=true channel=3
20:54:41sjohnsonMy server is setup weirdly with a customzed local DNS server.
20:54:50CmdrChalupasjohnson: still not working
20:55:06nikossh-2.03# wlanctl-ng lnxreq_wlansniff enable=true channel=3
20:55:06nikosThe cmd 'enable=true' is invalid
20:55:18sjohnsonBy sure to have the trailing '/'.
20:55:20CmdrChalupaoh
20:55:21CmdrChalupaoops
20:55:38CmdrChalupawlanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_lansniff enable=true channel=3
20:55:46CmdrChalupaahh!  thx
20:55:49nikossh-2.03# wlanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_wlansniff enable=true channel=3
20:55:50nikosprism2sta_mlmerequest: Unknown mgmt request message 0x00000043message=lnxreq_wlansniff
20:55:50nikos  enabl<7>Node read from 009a35d4: node_crc 7eda259d, calculated CRC 7eda259d. dsize d, csize d, offset 0, buf c1f2a800
20:55:52nikose=true
20:55:53nikos  channel=3
20:55:53nikos  resultcode=no_value
20:56:00CmdrChalupadoh
20:56:09sjohnsonneed to get his stuff over to hh.org.
20:56:35CmdrChalupasjohnson: have you done any work on linux-wlan-0.1.6 at all?
20:57:43sjohnsonCmdrChalupa: I think that version had some alignment problems on the ARM.
20:57:56CmdrChalupa*sigh*
20:58:01nikosCmdrChalupa: I think 0.1.7 something is in hh cvs with at least some alignment fixes.
20:58:47sjohnsonCmdrChalupa: That's is. That was Jameys(?) work. They were added to the 0.1.8 soce.
20:59:04sjohnsons/soce/source code/
20:59:14CmdrChalupathere was a feature removed in all versions after 0.1.6 that I need
20:59:28sjohnsonshouldn't think and type.
20:59:42CmdrChalupathat wlan-ng code is quite messy
21:00:10sjohnsonCmdrChalupa: Versions prior to 0.1,8 will opps on the ARM processor.
21:00:33CmdrChalupahmm
21:01:43CmdrChalupaI don't want to hack that feature back into the 0.1.8 source....but I will if I have to
21:02:48sjohnsonCmdrChalupa: What feature is that?
21:03:01nikosSounds like a war-driving feature to me.
21:04:04CmdrChalupait's not for war driving
21:04:08CmdrChalupait's for work
21:04:41nikos:)
21:04:58sjohnsonSigh. M$ appealed to the Supremes. I shudda know.
21:11:20CmdrChalupayou said the 0.1.7 drivers might be available somewhere?
21:11:42CmdrChalupa(I may be back for help with cross compiling stuff :) )
21:12:02sjohnsonCmdrChalupa: The patched drivers are in CVS at handhelds.org
21:12:48sjohnsonCmdrChalupa: /linux/wlan-ng
21:15:27CmdrChalupathanks
21:37:07mallumis away: taking a break
21:45:18DragonEagleis away: errand
21:56:24mallumis back (gone 00:19:17)
23:01:25DragonEagleis away: dinner
23:12:08CmdrChalupaokay, so maybe i'm an idiot, but would the regular linux kernel source do to compile for arm?  Or is anything else in particular necessary???
23:15:41DisconnectCmdrChalupa: check the handhelds.org cvs info - there is a patched kernel for ipaq.
23:18:09CmdrChalupathanks

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