| 00:08:08 | CmdrChalupa | What happens if you reset the iPAQ without the bootldr flash sector being protected? |
| 00:09:20 | Disconnect | CmdrChalupa: nothing. but you might accidentally overwrite it. |
| 00:13:18 | CmdrChalupa | okay |
| 00:13:34 | CmdrChalupa | beacuase I did and reset it and then protected it |
| 00:14:50 | CmdrChalupa | oooo...another question!! Why would a 32 meg iPAQ be reporting itself as a 16 meg iPAQ |
| 00:15:12 | a7r | jg_: re.. |
| 00:15:29 | Disconnect | CmdrChalupa: 16 megs flash, 32 megs ram. |
| 00:15:33 | a7r | CmdrChalupa: how are you telling that it thinks it's a 16 MB iPAQ? |
| 00:16:21 | CmdrChalupa | qflash 1 reports 00170017 |
| 00:16:42 | jg_ | a7r: hi. |
| 00:16:58 | CmdrChalupa | oh okay...gotcha |
| 00:21:21 | jg_ | a7r: how goes the battle? |
| 00:22:00 | a7r | jg_: it's going.. I keep creaming my iPAQ installs, which sucks. |
| 00:22:11 | jg_ | a7r: yup. |
| 00:22:26 | jg_ | Been playing with intimate to build X. |
| 00:22:32 | a7r | cool. |
| 00:22:33 | jg_ | We need a better toolchain... |
| 00:22:54 | jg_ | The resulting server is 16% bigger than the cross-compiled one... |
| 00:22:54 | a7r | what was the end result of setting -mcpu=... and friends? |
| 00:23:20 | jg_ | The compiler is built to use a built in spec file, not the one in the file system.... |
| 00:23:25 | jg_ | sucks... |
| 00:23:35 | a7r | yeah, that's what I was saying.. but you can still flip the command-line arguments. |
| 00:23:55 | jg_ | Best I've been able to do so far is with compiler switches, and it is still 10% big... |
| 00:24:10 | a7r | nod. |
| 00:24:16 | a7r | that's no good. |
| 00:24:49 | jg_ | Yup. I'll experiment some more tomorrow. |
| 00:25:02 | a7r | did you try flipping -Os for shits and grins? |
| 00:25:04 | jg_ | But we can't give away that much flash/memory/cycles... |
| 00:25:22 | jg_ | It doesn't use the spec file at all. |
| 00:28:36 | jg_ | Time for me to go to bed... |
| 00:28:44 | a7r | good night. |
| 00:28:52 | jg_ | good night all... |
| 00:29:02 | Disconnect | cya jg |
| 00:51:22 | pkomarek | Just installed 2.4.6 to support my dual sleeve, and am playing with new packages. Is "x-window-manager" yet another window manager (after blackbox and ion)? Is it where familiar is headed? |
| 00:53:14 | pkomarek | nevermind. I now see it is a symlink... |
| 01:14:59 | mowse | Anyone seen this with the 3com 3C589D: |
| 01:15:01 | mowse | eth0: command 0x5800 did not complete! |
| 01:15:34 | mowse | card module loads, ifconfig's ok, etc.. |
| 01:18:45 | CmdrChalupa | mowse: yeah, I've seen that |
| 01:18:56 | CmdrChalupa | mowse: not a clue what it is though |
| 01:19:02 | mowse | hmm. |
| 01:19:13 | mowse | seems to happen with the wireless cards as well |
| 01:19:17 | CmdrChalupa | mowse: oh, btw, could you send me that 0.1.8? |
| 01:19:28 | mowse | DWL-650 / SMC2632 / Cisco Aironet 340 |
| 01:19:46 | mowse | sure. it's patched to support the older ioctl's in .16 for 'sniff' mode. |
| 01:19:53 | mowse | lemme dig it up.. |
| 01:20:21 | CmdrChalupa | I've been porting it, but I'm not about to debug the "next Tuple' errors |
| 01:20:53 | CmdrChalupa | if it works in i386, I'll work on getting it to ipaq |
| 01:21:14 | mowse | the linux-wlan src? |
| 01:21:19 | CmdrChalupa | email it to winkie at faceprint.com |
| 01:21:20 | CmdrChalupa | yeah |
| 01:21:28 | mowse | it runs fine on i386 |
| 01:22:04 | mowse | I'll tarball a clean source tree in just a sec |
| 01:22:44 | mowse | actually, if you'd like, I can simply send a patch file |
| 01:23:01 | mowse | 16k, makes all of the changes to the original .18 code |
| 03:52:20 | mowse | CmdrChalupa: apparently, rather than solve the problem in an intelligent fashion, they've denied partial service to their customers. This figures, since they're a bunch of illiterate freaks. |
| 03:52:35 | mowse | CmdrChalupa: I emailed the patch to you |
| 04:08:48 | DragonEagle | is away: taking a break from the nox |
| 06:03:27 | tichel | Hi! Where can i get zImage-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-fam4_hh3? I only found the kernel without the _hh3 |
| 06:07:50 | mowse | ftp://lorien.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/demo/ |
| 06:08:12 | mowse | though, you may only find "hh4" there. not sure. |
| 06:29:29 | mowse | Does anyone know offhand what package would contain "get_info" used by /etc/pcmcia/network? |
| 06:29:44 | mowse | There's no mention of it in the Package description file |
| 07:43:11 | SleepingDragon | is away: good night all |
| 13:01:56 | nikos | Hey sjohnson |
| 13:05:42 | sjohnson | Hhi nikos |
| 13:05:48 | sjohnson | Er, Hi |
| 13:44:44 | CmdrChalupa | sjohnson: you're right, these things are quite temperamental if they aren't the exact version |
| 13:45:38 | sjohnson | CmdrChalupa: Nikos and I have very sore foreheads after working on it. :) |
| 13:54:26 | CmdrChalupa | what ipkg are the usbnet modules in? |
| 13:56:21 | sjohnson | CmdrChalupa: They are in the kernel-modules... .ipk's |
| 14:03:56 | CmdrChalupa | has been having the worst luck with this ipaq |
| 14:04:23 | CmdrChalupa | usbnet just made my linux box reboot |
| 14:04:32 | CmdrChalupa | at least, I think so |
| 14:05:00 | nikos | CmdrChalupa: Are you SMP? |
| 14:05:27 | CmdrChalupa | no, but I think the kernel could do SMP |
| 14:05:50 | CmdrChalupa | guess I'm going to have to jump to 2.4 :) |
| 14:05:57 | mpakula | is AWAY at 18:07:14 : Not behind the keyboard |
| 14:06:15 | bisscuitt | ok guys, i have a problem installing linux on my iPAQ : ( |
| 14:06:57 | nikos | CmdrChalupa: Ah, yes, you need at least 2.4.3, I assumed you realized that. |
| 14:07:01 | nikos | bisscuitt: shoot |
| 14:10:14 | nikos | Did I use the wrong word? |
| 14:10:30 | mpakula | is back after 0 d 0 h 4 m 34 s |
| 14:10:57 | mpakula | nikos: hi I don't know you didn'e scare me when I asked the same question |
| 14:11:17 | nikos | mpakula: :) Thanks for the reassurance. |
| 14:15:48 | bisscuitt | hello ? |
| 14:16:49 | CmdrChalupa | go ahead, we're listening |
| 14:17:00 | CmdrChalupa | (I sound like a radio psychiatrist) |
| 14:17:14 | nikos | bisscuitt: Hi, what's the problem? |
| 14:20:39 | mpakula | bisscuitt: you have problem with connection or with iPAQ ? |
| 14:21:54 | bisscuitt | sorry about this.... my Network is going dodgy : ( |
| 14:22:07 | bisscuitt | If i disappear, i'll come back later... |
| 14:22:39 | bisscuitt | i have installed the bootloader, and re-booted, but, when i typed: qflash 2 |
| 14:22:44 | bisscuitt | it returned: 00000000 |
| 14:22:47 | bisscuitt | : ( |
| 14:23:29 | bisscuitt | any ideas ? |
| 14:27:45 | bisscuitt | did anybody get my last few messages ? |
| 14:28:00 | mpakula | nikos: is familiar 0.5 going to have 3 partitions as 0.4 ? |
| 14:28:31 | nikos | mpakula: At this point I don't see any changes in that. |
| 14:29:59 | bisscuitt | hello ? |
| 14:30:32 | mpakula | bisscuitt: what bootldr did you use ? |
| 14:30:53 | nikos | bisscuitt: Which instructions are you using? |
| 14:33:21 | mpakula | anybody have experience with pikpak.py ( after removing packages they are still there !!!) |
| 14:34:08 | nikos | mpakula: Does ipkg status show the packages as still installed? |
| 14:34:36 | bisscuitt | bootloader version: bootldr-0000-2.14.5-bigkernel-mono |
| 14:34:49 | bisscuitt | instructions: ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/linux/dists/compaq/ipaq/stable/install.html |
| 14:35:29 | nikos | bisscuitt: Those instructions refer to a different version of bootloader. |
| 14:35:44 | nikos | bisscuitt: Don't use the instructions for a new version to install an old version. |
| 14:36:06 | mpakula | nikos: unfortunately the packages are still there |
| 14:36:18 | bisscuitt | feels *stupid* : ) |
| 14:36:27 | nikos | mpakula: Have you got the latest version of pikpak? |
| 14:36:53 | mpakula | nikos : I took it from unstable |
| 14:37:14 | nikos | mpakula: That's odd. I haven't seen that problem. What package? |
| 14:37:17 | mpakula | terrys: wasup terrys how is the whether ? |
| 14:37:41 | bisscuitt | ok, i got it now..... i just got confused.... thats for making me see snese : ) |
| 14:38:13 | terrys | mpakula: hotter than ... - well its hot - how's it going for you ? |
| 14:39:45 | terrys | mpakula: my network feed is screwed - whats the characteristics of Code Red II ? |
| 14:40:06 | mpakula | nikos:pikpak-0.4-5 |
| 14:40:18 | CmdrChalupa | terrys: are you on a cable modem? |
| 14:40:28 | nikos | mpakula: No, the package you are trying to remove. |
| 14:40:33 | terrys | Nortel ADSL |
| 14:40:43 | nikos | terrys: www.incidents.org |
| 14:40:59 | CmdrChalupa | you sure nortel didn't shut off port 80 in their subnet? |
| 14:41:01 | mpakula | terrys: well this stuff is just fantastic i got 12f/s to netherlands but still nothing incomming |
| 14:41:10 | terrys | nikos: thanx |
| 14:41:21 | mpakula | nikos: all uninstalled |
| 14:41:44 | terrys | CmdrChalupa: I'm using a Nortel 1Meg ADSL modem |
| 14:42:41 | mpakula | terrys: Code RED II ? |
| 14:42:56 | terrys | mpakula: its a worm thats a real PITA |
| 14:43:42 | CmdrChalupa | terrys: what's the url of your feed |
| 14:44:46 | mpakula | terrys: is ther a way to change the size of setup window of vic for when i want to change the settings i see just a middle of the whole window |
| 14:44:57 | terrys | CmdrChalupa: http://www.magma.ca but what is that going to resolve ? |
| 14:47:28 | CmdrChalupa | n/m |
| 14:49:05 | terrys | mpakula: are you refering to the expanded video window ? |
| 14:49:44 | mpakula | terrys: no to the window where you can set codecs |
| 14:50:25 | mpakula | terrys: i believe its 'options' |
| 14:51:27 | terrys | mpakula: ahh you mean the one to setup the video codec for transmission... nope not at the moment unless you want to learn Tk/Tcl - you have to play around with the screen positioning for now |
| 14:52:37 | terrys | CmdrChalupa: I already checked their incident reports... basically they're useless... |
| 15:03:23 | CmdrChalupa | terrys: as I said, they may have blocked all traffic to port 80 on all hosts |
| 15:05:57 | terrys | CmdrChalupa: thanx I'll look into it... |
| 15:16:17 | sjohnson | is away: lunch |
| 15:42:40 | mpakula | is AWAY at 19:43:57 : Not behind the keyboard |
| 15:53:12 | DragonEagle | is back |
| 15:54:17 | mpakula | is back after 0 d 0 h 11 m 36 s |
| 16:08:47 | CmdrChalupa | WOO HOO!! I just ssh'ed into my iPAQ :) |
| 16:09:31 | mowse | cool. |
| 16:09:39 | mowse | Hey, did you have any luck with that line 9 patch problem? |
| 16:10:05 | mowse | I looked into it; if you have the original pl13 source, -p0 from outside the src tree should patch ok |
| 16:10:22 | CmdrChalupa | it didn't, I patched by hand |
| 16:10:26 | mowse | that's odd |
| 16:10:48 | mowse | well, if it builds ok, then that's good I suppose |
| 16:10:55 | mowse | if not, I can send a patched version of the code |
| 16:15:52 | CmdrChalupa | I tested it to make sure it compiled and worked on x86, now I'll see if I can build it on ipaq |
| 16:53:33 | sjohnson | is back (gone 01:37:17) |
| 17:01:32 | CmdrChalupa | where is the ipkg database? |
| 17:02:04 | sjohnson | /usr/lib/ipkg/ |
| 17:06:56 | CmdrChalupa | yeah, ipkg is looking for reiserfs-module and the pkg reports itself as reiserfs-modules |
| 17:07:03 | CmdrChalupa | do I just modify status? |
| 17:08:27 | nikos | CmdrChalupa: What are you doing that cause it to look for reiserfs-module? |
| 17:08:43 | nikos | CmdrChalupa: Trying to install something that depends on it? |
| 17:09:13 | CmdrChalupa | yes, but I have a reiserfs module |
| 17:09:34 | CmdrChalupa | just that the package reports differently....I'm trying to set up intimate on nfs |
| 17:09:38 | nikos | CmdrChalupa: What package? |
| 17:10:05 | nikos | CmdrChalupa: It should complain but not fail to install. |
| 17:10:19 | nikos | CmdrChalupa: It should just continue to install, even if dependencies are not found. |
| 17:10:22 | CmdrChalupa | intimateboot_0.2-2arm.ipk |
| 17:10:30 | CmdrChalupa | and it did fail |
| 17:10:35 | nikos | CmdrChalupa: Report that to Tangent. |
| 17:10:58 | nikos | CmdrChalupa: You might want to join #intimate |
| 17:11:24 | nikos | CmdrChalupa: Are you sure it is failing because of the missing dependency and not something else? |
| 17:12:35 | CmdrChalupa | it's the missing dependency...I put the dependency there and it works |
| 17:12:45 | CmdrChalupa | er, I added it to status and it works |
| 17:19:24 | CmdrChalupa | nikos: were you the one who said you were using usbnet? |
| 17:19:45 | nikos | CmdrChalupa: I have used it. I'm not using it currently. |
| 17:20:20 | CmdrChalupa | nobody on #intimate is answering at the moment...if anyone is using nfs mounted intimate via usbnet, I could sure use some help |
| 17:20:37 | nikos | CmdrChalupa: Did you mount with -o nolock? |
| 17:24:19 | CmdrChalupa | yes, I put that into fstab |
| 17:24:22 | CmdrChalupa | it mounts |
| 17:42:57 | mowse | cardmgr[76]: starting, version is 3.1.20 |
| 17:42:57 | mowse | cardmgr[76]: watching 2 sockets |
| 17:42:57 | mowse | cardmgr[76]: Card Services release does not match |
| 17:43:31 | mowse | has this been known to cause any issues regarding pcmcia NIC's? |
| 17:43:51 | mowse | I'm pretty much down to my wits end on this cardmgr problem |
| 17:44:10 | sjohnson | mowse: That is an error you can ignore. |
| 17:44:22 | mowse | that's what I figured. It hasn't cause me problems in the past |
| 17:44:41 | mowse | I've eliminated pretty much everything I can think of |
| 17:44:59 | mowse | yet, any NIC still reports hwaddr of 0's |
| 17:45:03 | mowse | it's so odd |
| 17:45:47 | CmdrChalupa | mowse: mine does too |
| 17:46:02 | mowse | yeah? |
| 17:46:17 | mowse | did you see my thread in the mailing list? |
| 17:46:26 | mowse | it's really strange |
| 17:47:24 | mowse | this is somewhat odd as well: |
| 17:47:25 | mowse | modprobe: Can't open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.4.6-rmk1-np2-devfs/modules.dep (No such file or directory) |
| 17:47:31 | mowse | during boot |
| 17:47:42 | mowse | yet, the symlink is there, and points to /var/run/modules.dep |
| 17:50:14 | CmdrChalupa | depmod -a |
| 17:50:31 | mowse | works fine |
| 17:51:38 | mowse | I even ran it to stdout to make sure that it was writing properly |
| 17:55:13 | mowse | hmm. going to make another attempt. back shortly. |
| 17:59:14 | CmdrChalupa | anyone know how I can make the ipaq beep from linuxrc? |
| 18:00:06 | CmdrChalupa | or maybe flash a light |
| 18:15:27 | DragonEagle | is away: bad habbits die hard |
| 18:15:39 | CmdrChalupa | hmm |
| 18:16:18 | DragonEagle | CmdrChalupa: try giving the full path to led |
| 18:17:15 | CmdrChalupa | kay |
| 18:18:53 | CmdrChalupa | that worked |
| 18:21:27 | DragonEagle | is back |
| 18:34:14 | CmdrChalupa | mmmm...kernel panics |
| 18:34:37 | nikos | CmdrChalupa: Congratulations. |
| 18:34:48 | CmdrChalupa | actually |
| 18:34:53 | CmdrChalupa | I do have an old linuxrc there |
| 18:34:58 | CmdrChalupa | I can still rescue it! =) |
| 18:37:13 | mowse | farg. same deal. |
| 18:37:16 | mowse | eth0: command 0x5800 did not complete! |
| 18:37:23 | mowse | heh. I'm gonna wet myself. |
| 19:22:12 | mowse | possibility regarding the pcmcia cardmgr error: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linux-kernel/message/236945 |
| 19:22:19 | mowse | further reference: http://www.linuxhq.com/kernel/v2.2/patch/patch-2.2.19/linux_drivers_net_3c59x.c.html |
| 19:22:37 | mowse | "enable_wol=1" within some of the card drivers |
| 19:22:51 | mowse | causing same problems as experienced with the 2.4.6 kernel |
| 19:23:10 | mowse | don't have a compiling environment at the moment, but it may be worth a try |
| 19:25:34 | scooter | hullo everyone long time no visit |
| 20:25:11 | CmdrChalupa | so in the bootloader, the command is partition define <name> <base> <size> 16 ? |
| 20:26:31 | sjohnson | CmdrChalupa: For the root partition, yes. |
| 20:26:58 | CmdrChalupa | I'm trying not to screw up my calculation here |
| 20:30:09 | sjohnson | After a partition reset', you shoue have a kernel at 80000 and size of C0000. |
| 20:30:18 | CmdrChalupa | yep |
| 20:30:33 | nikos | err, 8000 |
| 20:30:54 | nikos | erm, ignore me |
| 20:31:01 | sjohnson | Your root (for 16MB) should be base 140000 and size EC0000 |
| 20:31:53 | CmdrChalupa | after a partition reset? |
| 20:32:18 | sjohnson | AFter reset your show have bootldr, params, and kernel. |
| 20:33:00 | sjohnson | Then 'partition define root 0x140000 0xec0000 16' |
| 20:33:28 | CmdrChalupa | cool, my pencil and paper work was right then |
| 20:33:40 | CmdrChalupa | heaves a sigh of relief |
| 20:33:43 | nikos | Partition reset should give you a 768KB kernel, so that puts you in a good starting spot. |
| 20:34:05 | sjohnson | checked it by hand and doublechecked it. |
| 20:47:48 | CmdrChalupa | thinks xmodem is quite painful |
| 20:54:09 | CmdrChalupa | pounds his head against a nearby wall |
| 21:01:52 | pkomarek | who would I contact about small bugs in /tmp/new/task-bootstrap-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-devfs-hh4.jffs2? |
| 21:49:34 | munehiro | hi |
| 21:50:04 | munehiro | anyone alive ? :) |
| 22:10:21 | DragonEagle | is away: errand |
| 23:01:52 | fad|fwr | if anyone is around and can help fast would be very appreciated |
| 23:01:59 | fad|fwr | i need an ARM build of libjpeg |
| 23:14:13 | fad|fwr | how to i convert deb packages to ipkgs? |