| 02:21:12 | nelson | hey, cworth. |
| 02:21:23 | cworth | hi nelson |
| 02:21:38 | nelson | yer up late. |
| 02:22:27 | cworth | nelson: yes. I've been traveling on the west coast, so my body still thinks it's in that timezone. |
| 02:22:45 | nelson | cworth: familiar with the effect. |
| 02:23:20 | nelson | cworth: you see my proposal for /sbin/pm_helper? |
| 02:23:54 | cworth | nelson: briefly. I'm not what the right way to do this is. |
| 02:24:47 | nelson | cworth: me neither, that's why I'm proposing pm_helper_list. EVerybody gets to do what they want, and why, if everybody ends up doing the same thing, then obviously that's all that needs to be done. |
| 04:27:28 | BZFlag | anyone run familar on a yopy yet? |
| 04:32:30 | pkomarek | anyone want to give me some advice about why editres can make changes that X resource files cannot? |
| 04:32:54 | pkomarek | (sorry BZFlag, I don't have a Yopy) |
| 06:42:12 | SleepingDragon | is away: yep, I'm really going to sleep this time good night |
| 12:58:58 | mandrake | morning |
| 15:00:58 | mandrake | okay |
| 15:01:11 | mandrake | the pointer seems to be not where I'm tapping |
| 15:01:15 | mandrake | how do I fix that? |
| 15:03:31 | mandrake | n/m figured that out |
| 17:41:11 | mandrake | hey, so is there any way to have it automatically save things to the flash when I shut down? |
| 17:41:21 | mandrake | has linux up and running, btw |
| 17:41:39 | a7r | like more than just running sync? |
| 17:42:02 | mandrake | hrmm |
| 17:42:14 | mandrake | I was reading the instructions here: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/PPPHowto |
| 17:42:28 | mandrake | which seem to imply that when I reboot everything I've done will go bye-bye |
| 17:43:17 | a7r | mandrake: oh.. that info is out of date, we aren't use cramfs anymore.. anything you do in /etc will be journaled onto flash. |
| 17:43:45 | mandrake | okay |
| 17:45:53 | mandrake | so familiar doesn't do a whole hell of a lot by default :) |
| 17:46:28 | a7r | I've got some WinCE images right here, if you want to go back. ;) |
| 17:46:36 | mandrake | no no |
| 17:46:40 | mandrake | thanks but no thanks :) |
| 17:46:55 | mandrake | I just need to get some sort of ppp connection going frmo this box |
| 17:46:56 | a7r | It depends on the packages you install.. which image did you upload? |
| 17:47:10 | mandrake | I installed the bigger of the two root images |
| 17:47:20 | a7r | nod. |
| 17:47:34 | a7r | with the advent of ipkg, networking is pretty mandatory.. |
| 17:47:58 | a7r | You running Linux on your desktop? |
| 17:48:01 | mandrake | of course |
| 17:48:13 | mandrake | all my x86 machines except 1 now run linux |
| 17:48:22 | a7r | You might want to try messing around with usbnet.. it'd be a hell of a lot faster than PPP. |
| 17:48:25 | mandrake | and it only has windows because I found it was easier to install the bootloader on the ipaq with it |
| 17:48:44 | a7r | I'm a Mac OS X/OpenBSD house.. I only run Linux on my ARM boxen.. just had to ask. ;) |
| 17:49:20 | mandrake | I've got two arm machines now |
| 17:49:32 | a7r | cool.. which kinds? |
| 17:49:37 | mandrake | a netwinder (which I saw netwinder stuff fly by in the boot sequence on the ipaq) and this ipaq |
| 17:49:46 | mandrake | my friends did the corel netwinder |
| 17:49:59 | a7r | Mehat and all those crazies? |
| 17:50:03 | mandrake | yeah |
| 17:50:06 | mandrake | san still works at VA |
| 17:50:08 | mandrake | I left |
| 17:50:10 | a7r | nod. |
| 17:50:27 | a7r | I'm using Netwinders as my development machines.. they're definitely better than compilation on the iPAQ. :P |
| 17:50:40 | a7r | and with the exception of being slow as shit, they beat the pants off of cross-comp. |
| 17:51:49 | mandrake | I will probably just compile everything directly on the ipaq |
| 17:51:52 | mandrake | it just 'feels right' that way :) |
| 17:52:46 | a7r | Haha, no man.. that's crazy. ;) You've got a Netwinder w/ 100 megabit, and local disk.. not to mention it's like 10% faster. ;) |
| 17:52:52 | Disconnect | did a kernel build on the ipaq once, over nfs ;) ;) |
| 17:52:53 | BBrox | develops on his iPAQ :-) |
| 17:53:10 | mandrake | actually |
| 17:53:12 | a7r | BBrox: yeah, but your sanity is questionable. |
| 17:53:15 | mandrake | my netwinder doesn't have 100 mbit networking |
| 17:53:19 | mandrake | I have a prototype |
| 17:53:38 | a7r | oh.. the network still has to be faster than anything you're going to see on the iPAQ.. |
| 17:53:41 | mandrake | but my netwinder DOES have the most kick-ass bios screen ever :) |
| 17:54:00 | mandrake | put xflame in the bios :) |
| 17:54:12 | a7r | cool. |
| 17:54:17 | mandrake | the boot sequence on my netwinder is fucking phenomenal :) |
| 17:54:20 | BBrox | a7r: yeah, I know... But emacs via a 115200 PPP serial link connection is surprisingly usable :-) |
| 17:54:38 | a7r | mandrake: what happens when you need to upgrade? ;> |
| 17:54:44 | a7r | BBrox: Yeah, werd. |
| 17:54:47 | mandrake | I'm not upgrading my netwinder |
| 17:54:59 | mandrake | in fact, it is just sitting in my closet with most of the other hardware I've collected but no longer use |
| 17:55:12 | mandrake | the ipaq makes machine 30-something |
| 17:55:20 | mandrake | I don't even know how many machines I have anymore |
| 17:55:29 | a7r | nod. |
| 17:55:37 | a7r | I started throwing/giving away boxen this year. |
| 17:55:51 | mandrake | http://mandrake.net/house_pics/server_room/server_room.jpg |
| 17:55:54 | a7r | I'm down to 9 online, and 2 in the closet. |
| 17:56:01 | mandrake | you can see a couple of sparcs, an indy, some other stuff up there on the shelf |
| 17:56:10 | mandrake | and some disk arrays too |
| 17:56:17 | BBrox | mandrake: hehe :-) |
| 17:56:31 | a7r | mandrake: my rack right now: http://www.andern.org/~a7r/rack/img_0073.jpg |
| 17:56:48 | mandrake | http://mandrake.net/house_pics/office/server_closet.jpg |
| 17:57:03 | a7r | you can see my 802.11b conneciton to the outside world.. |
| 17:57:22 | mandrake | I've got 5 macs, 3 sparcs, 1 indy, 1 netwinder, 6 laptops, who knows how many desktop machines |
| 17:57:29 | mandrake | and now this ipaq :) |
| 17:57:32 | a7r | haha |
| 17:58:38 | a7r | Yeah, I'm pushing 2 G3s and 1 G4 on my desk, 2 Netwinders, 2 iPAQs, an IPC handling mail, a PII handling routing, and other misc. crap around the place. |
| 17:59:06 | mandrake | I really need to clean up my place and set my network up right |
| 17:59:16 | a7r | nod. |
| 17:59:39 | a7r | I hear that. |
| 18:02:14 | mandrake | hrmm |
| 18:02:18 | mandrake | if the device sleeps |
| 18:02:37 | mandrake | ls |
| 18:03:29 | mandrake | my compactflash disk doesn't seem to be mounted properly anymore |
| 18:03:37 | mandrake | why is that? |
| 18:04:09 | a7r | it might not be shutting it down and bringing it up correctly.. you hitting the ``power'' button, and putting it down that way? |
| 18:04:30 | mandrake | no, it appears to sleep all by itself |
| 18:04:56 | a7r | that should be it just turning off the LCD.. you can still interact w/ it on the serial port, neh? |
| 18:05:02 | mandrake | oh |
| 18:05:04 | mandrake | that's true :) |
| 18:05:15 | mandrake | how do I make it turn the lcd back on without hitting the power button? |
| 18:05:38 | a7r | hit a button besides power.. like the upper-left record button. |
| 18:17:45 | mandrake | danke |
| 18:19:07 | mandrake | I gotta get xev and some other utilities on this machine :) |
| 18:42:28 | SleepingDragon | is back |
| 18:47:10 | mandrake | a7r: with a huge microdrive, is it important to have a ramdisk still? |
| 18:56:29 | a7r | mandrake: not entirely.. |
| 18:56:48 | a7r | ramfs is good tech though.. it's not static like the ramdisk, so it's a good idea to have it around. |
| 18:57:28 | mandrake | I am thinking I will probably use up all the memory (64 megs) once I start running apps |
| 18:57:30 | mandrake | that's why I ask |
| 18:57:42 | a7r | nod. |
| 18:58:18 | mandrake | what purpose does having those bits copied into /mnt/ramfs have right now? i can't see where they get used right off the top of my head |
| 18:58:35 | mandrake | except that linuxrc untars .ramfs.tar.gz into there |
| 18:58:46 | a7r | .ramfs.tar.gz is mainly directory structure. |
| 18:59:14 | a7r | which we just point symlinks from the top level, into. |
| 18:59:31 | mandrake | I see, now that I look in / |
| 18:59:41 | mandrake | tmp and var point into there |
| 19:00:34 | a7r | one thing to note, if you're planning on using a lot of RAM, Linux gets pretty loopy with memory starvation and no swap.. so having that on a microdrive is pretty important. |
| 19:00:55 | mandrake | there's no fdisk that comes on familiar by default |
| 19:01:05 | mandrake | so I will have to wait to build a swap partition |
| 19:01:10 | mandrake | at least I didnt' SEE fdisk |
| 19:01:13 | mandrake | and I still have no networking |
| 19:01:20 | a7r | there isn't one.. most people use their laptops. |
| 19:01:37 | a7r | you didn't get PPP up? |
| 19:01:40 | mandrake | not yet |
| 19:01:43 | mandrake | I went and looked at trucks |
| 19:01:50 | mandrake | we need a 4x4 before winter hits |
| 19:01:53 | a7r | skateboard trucks, or the automobile? |
| 19:01:54 | a7r | oh. |
| 19:02:11 | mandrake | we've not lived in a town that gets covered in snow during winter, this will be my first real winter |
| 19:02:19 | a7r | get a use Jeep Cherokee Sport.. good car, cheap as hell, easy to work on. |
| 19:02:27 | mandrake | I hate jeeps |
| 19:02:28 | mandrake | :) |
| 19:02:30 | mandrake | my mother had one |
| 19:02:31 | mandrake | it sucked |
| 19:02:37 | a7r | a CJ or a Cherokee? |
| 19:02:42 | mandrake | I always felt like I was tipping over |
| 19:02:50 | mandrake | grand cherokee laredo |
| 19:02:53 | a7r | Oh, then get an Impreza WRX or a used 2.5RS |
| 19:03:01 | mandrake | I was looking at the xterra |
| 19:03:01 | a7r | Oh, the Grand Cherokee is a piece.. |
| 19:03:11 | mandrake | er not a grand cherokee |
| 19:03:14 | mandrake | a cherokee laredo |
| 19:03:15 | mandrake | it's older |
| 19:03:18 | mandrake | ~92 |
| 19:03:23 | a7r | ah, yeah.. |
| 19:03:30 | mandrake | she traded it in for something worse, imnsho |
| 19:03:33 | mandrake | land rover |
| 19:03:40 | mandrake | big fucking hippo looking car |
| 19:03:41 | a7r | haha, those are good off-road vehicles. ;) |
| 19:03:48 | mandrake | but it looks like a hippo |
| 19:03:54 | a7r | Do you really want a truck, or just 4WD? |
| 19:04:07 | mandrake | I just want 4wd, with the option of hauling something if I need to |
| 19:04:15 | a7r | Hmm.. |
| 19:04:16 | mandrake | I'm worried about the snow/ice situation here during the winter |
| 19:04:31 | mandrake | which is why we were looking at xterras, which at least don't look like ass |
| 19:04:43 | a7r | Subarus make excellent AWD systems, and I'm rather fond of the look of the pre 2001 Impreza 2.5RS Sedas. |
| 19:04:45 | mandrake | I certainly can't take my car out during the winter |
| 19:04:45 | a7r | er Sedans |
| 19:04:59 | a7r | What're you driving now? |
| 19:05:06 | mandrake | I am not selling my car |
| 19:05:11 | mandrake | just keeping it in the garage :) |
| 19:05:14 | mandrake | bmw 850Ci |
| 19:05:21 | a7r | cool.. |
| 19:05:41 | a7r | Audi also makes good AWD vehicles.. you could get a used A4 1.8T on the cheap. |
| 19:06:15 | a7r | Depends on how much you want to spend.. |
| 19:07:05 | mandrake | the xterra was ~23 with everything we wanted, new. |
| 19:07:17 | a7r | Nod. |
| 19:07:17 | mallum | My gf got a new car. It has a 1.1 litre engine |
| 19:07:21 | a7r | Haha |
| 19:07:26 | a7r | Who made it? |
| 19:07:40 | mallum | pergeot |
| 19:08:01 | mallum | does about 70 miles to the gallon |
| 19:08:07 | DragonEagle | is away: ram config fix |
| 19:08:17 | a7r | which model? |
| 19:08:54 | a7r | BTW, I have friends w/ Xterras, they really like them, but I wouldn't get one. |
| 19:10:05 | mandrake | I need to find a good padded thing to put my ipaq in |
| 19:10:09 | mandrake | so I can hook it to my bag |
| 19:10:28 | mandrake | has a hiking bag that he has his laptop, eMap, cellphone, soon to be ipaq in |
| 19:10:33 | a7r | cool. |
| 19:10:47 | mandrake | which also has space for putting clothes in |
| 19:10:50 | mandrake | so I only have one bag when I travel |
| 19:10:56 | mandrake | I hate checking luggage |
| 19:10:56 | mallum | the model is a 206 |
| 19:11:05 | a7r | mandrake: if I were going to get something for snow, I'd get: http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/details/subaru02impreza/wrxsedan/trim.html <- granted, the 2002 looks kind of Neon-ish. |
| 19:11:29 | a7r | but it's fast as hell, nice (and mature) AWD system.. |
| 19:11:39 | a7r | and it's modifyable, if you want to take it rallyracing. |
| 19:11:45 | Bub | i can't get fscrib to work |
| 19:12:04 | a7r | Bub: I can't get a date with Elizabeth Hurley.. maybe we should start a support group. |
| 19:14:41 | mallum | curses gtk |
| 19:14:57 | mandrake | is there a list of the motions that make letters somewhere/ |
| 19:15:15 | a7r | it's on the Wiki.. |
| 19:15:16 | mandrake | I was trying to figure them all out, but i obviously need to read up somewhere |
| 19:15:19 | mandrake | k |
| 19:15:22 | | a7r: huh? |
| 19:15:22 | a7r | ibot: fscrib |
| 19:15:25 | | a7r: excuse me? |
| 19:15:25 | a7r | ibot: damn you |
| 19:17:48 | | OK, a7r. |
| 19:17:48 | a7r | ibot: scrib is at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20to%20use%20xscribble |
| 19:22:13 | a7r | damn.. liz hurley is 36 |
| 19:22:28 | mandrake | hrmm |
| 19:25:14 | mandrake | pppd: In file /etc/ppp/peers/ipaq: unrecognized option '/dev/ttySO' |
| 19:25:27 | mandrake | that seems odd |
| 19:25:30 | Bub | when i start fscrib i get a little set of icons on the tops right, how do i use fscrib? |
| 19:25:46 | a7r | Bub: click the part of the icon that looks like a keyboard. |
| 19:25:46 | mandrake | Bub: er, silly rabbit. |
| 19:26:01 | Bub | k |
| 19:26:05 | Bub | umm |
| 19:26:11 | Bub | where does it print it? |
| 19:26:22 | a7r | whichever window has focus. |
| 19:26:45 | mandrake | hrmm |
| 19:26:52 | mandrake | ΘΝΔ― pppd call ipaq |
| 19:26:52 | mandrake | Connect script failed |
| 19:27:54 | a7r | mandrake: have you quit your terminal emulator, and are back at the login prompt? |
| 19:28:02 | mandrake | a7r: yup. |
| 19:28:30 | mandrake | er |
| 19:28:31 | mandrake | hold on |
| 19:28:33 | mandrake | it worked this time |
| 19:28:35 | mandrake | don't ask why |
| 19:28:36 | mandrake | I don't know |
| 19:28:37 | mandrake | heh |
| 19:28:38 | a7r | ;) |
| 19:30:37 | a7r | Okay.. BBL.. need to bring Netwinders back-online, and hit the skate park.. |
| 19:35:56 | BBrox | is going to read ShadowMarch on his bed with the iPAQ + Dillo |
| 19:37:08 | Bub | this is a meen game of checkers |
| 19:39:17 | mandrake | hrmm |
| 19:39:19 | sanity | what platform do I use with --target to build a gcc cross compiler for an iPaq? |
| 19:43:24 | mandrake | I see what my problem with ppp into the ipaq was |
| 19:43:42 | mandrake | minicom was doing goofy shit when I exited :) |
| 19:50:55 | mandrake | question: |
| 19:51:18 | mandrake | how do I log in remotely to the ipaq since it doesn't have any sort of services running? |
| 19:51:23 | mandrake | now that I have ppp up? |
| 19:54:45 | mandrake | I suppose I need to set up masquerading so that I can use ipkg |
| 19:54:46 | mandrake | heh |
| 20:35:46 | Bub | the speak |
| 20:35:48 | Bub | speaker |
| 20:35:53 | Bub | sucks crap |
| 20:35:58 | Bub | :) |
| 20:38:52 | Bub | is there a nicer sh for ipaq? |
| 20:39:04 | Bub | something with history |
| 20:39:11 | DragonEagle | Bub: bash |
| 20:39:12 | Bub | ksh maybe? |
| 20:39:22 | Bub | ah |
| 20:39:25 | Bub | thanks |
| 20:41:02 | Bub | oh |
| 20:41:06 | Bub | and a normal vi |
| 20:41:11 | Bub | ? |
| 20:41:14 | mandrake | is installing intimate |
| 20:41:21 | mandrake | :) |
| 20:42:03 | Bub | familiar vi must be vim or something which i don't know how to use |
| 20:42:15 | mandrake | no |
| 20:42:16 | mandrake | it's not vim |
| 20:42:18 | mandrake | vim is GOOD |
| 20:42:22 | mandrake | the one on familiar is iv |
| 20:42:26 | mandrake | which sucks |
| 20:42:31 | Bub | uh huh |
| 20:43:10 | mandrake | http://mandrake.net/images/gvim.jpg |
| 20:43:24 | Bub | i'm in console |
| 20:44:03 | Bub | my 686 is fried, and i don't like using X on this p90 |
| 20:44:32 | Bub | i have to read about porting apps |
| 20:44:44 | mandrake | there shouldn't be much porting to do |
| 20:45:12 | mandrake | besides typing 'make' |
| 20:45:28 | Bub | for arm32? |
| 20:45:35 | Bub | isn't that cross compiling? |
| 20:45:37 | mandrake | yeah. I've been using the arm platform for ages |
| 20:45:50 | Bub | from i386 to arm |
| 20:45:56 | mandrake | but cross compiling means you built it on your 386 |
| 20:46:01 | Bub | right |
| 20:46:07 | mandrake | I'd just build it right on the ipaq |
| 20:46:11 | Bub | i don't currenty have enough space to compile on the ipaq |
| 20:46:14 | mandrake | that's what I intend to start doing |
| 20:46:46 | Bub | i want the tochiba pcmcia storage card |
| 20:46:51 | Bub | toshiba |
| 20:47:02 | Bub | i understand they're upto 10GB |
| 20:47:18 | mandrake | I've got a 1gb microdrive on mine right now |
| 20:47:26 | mandrake | which is why I'm installing intimate on top of familiar right now |
| 20:48:01 | mandrake | I'm ssh'd into my ipaq from my laptop |
| 20:48:15 | mandrake | once gcc is on there |
| 20:48:24 | mandrake | I think I'll be ready to start kicking ass and taking names :) |
| 20:48:35 | Bub | if/when i get the 10Gb card, i want to port a tons of apps to it |
| 20:49:03 | Bub | well |
| 20:49:13 | Bub | don't you need to cross compile gcc? |
| 20:49:16 | mandrake | no |
| 20:49:19 | mandrake | there is a gcc package |
| 20:49:23 | mandrake | I'm just dumping that on there |
| 20:49:24 | Bub | ok |
| 20:49:34 | mandrake | points bub to http://intimate.handhelds.org/ |
| 20:49:39 | Bub | ah |
| 20:49:47 | mandrake | except that you don't have a web browser handy |
| 20:49:48 | Bub | i was looking at the familiar packages |
| 20:49:58 | Bub | i have lynx |
| 20:50:15 | Bub | you should look at linuxfromscratch.org |
| 20:50:24 | Bub | if you want a full platform |
| 20:51:15 | Bub | use the rom for bootloader space and mount the 1gb drive as / |
| 20:52:03 | Bub | ipaq's mini apps might be good to keep though |
| 20:52:12 | Bub | since they uses so little memory |
| 20:52:26 | Bub | well |
| 20:52:34 | Bub | i must say i'm happy to get winCE off it |
| 20:52:44 | Bub | it's was so extreamly limited |
| 20:53:07 | Bub | now i can use it |
| 20:53:15 | Bub | umm |
| 20:53:19 | Bub | 1 question |
| 20:53:25 | Bub | when i restart it |
| 20:53:36 | Bub | i will loose whatever is in ramfs right? |
| 20:54:24 | Bub | i'm assuming the top right button is just a monitor switch |
| 20:54:40 | Bub | and the system never shuts down |
| 20:55:05 | mandrake | no |
| 20:55:09 | mandrake | the top right button does turn it off |
| 20:55:17 | mandrake | :) |
| 20:55:22 | mandrake | it'll sleep it |
| 20:55:36 | Bub | but it remembers what windows i have open |
| 20:55:46 | mandrake | yes |
| 20:55:50 | mandrake | but if you have a compactflash mounted |
| 20:55:54 | mandrake | strange shit starts happening |
| 20:56:14 | Bub | ah |
| 20:56:15 | Bub | ic |
| 20:56:22 | Bub | my ssh connection is gone |
| 20:56:28 | Bub | when it's susspended |
| 20:57:30 | Bub | so umm |
| 20:57:38 | Bub | is there a web browser ? |
| 20:58:12 | mandrake | sure, build one and install it |
| 20:58:18 | Bub | i gota get a irda card for my desktop |
| 20:58:44 | Bub | do i loose ramfs when it's suspended? |
| 20:59:34 | Bub | no |
| 20:59:38 | Bub | i don't |
| 21:16:32 | Disconnect | mandrake: no building necessary for web browser (at least with familiar). just use dillo. no cookies, but works great otherwise. |
| 21:27:16 | mandrake | is anyone running intimate and has a moment? |
| 21:30:00 | Disconnect | runs familiar. sorry. anyone on #intimate? |
| 21:30:12 | mandrake | trying |
| 21:33:38 | Bub | is familiar using arm-linux elf binaries? |
| 21:33:46 | Bub | or something else? |
| 21:33:55 | mandrake | yes |
| 21:33:58 | Bub | k |
| 21:34:44 | Disconnect | Bub: arm-linux elf. |
| 22:12:49 | Lomax | anyone here connected a nt2k box to the ipaq? cant get this to work :( |
| 22:15:08 | Disconnect | Lomax: this is linux on the ipaq. you using/trying to load linux? |
| 22:15:36 | Disconnect | notes that there is nothing about having to use linux on the -host- .. so if you are trying to load linux and/or use it, we can probably help. |
| 22:16:28 | mandrake | or not |
| 22:16:28 | mandrake | :) |
| 22:16:53 | mandrake | Wow! I had an ACTUAL successful xmodem transfer this time |
| 22:17:13 | mandrake | instead of one that pretended to work okay |
| 22:17:24 | Bub | pppd gets screwed up too |
| 22:17:25 | Disconnect | cool :) |
| 22:17:27 | Bub | why? |
| 22:17:38 | Disconnect | heh |
| 22:17:46 | mandrake | is reloading his ipaq with familiar |
| 22:17:51 | Disconnect | lcdoff, keep the ipaq nice and cool. take it slow, etc..? ;) |
| 22:17:57 | mandrake | I wanted to load intimate on it since it had gcc by default |
| 22:18:41 | mandrake | heh, the kernel one doesn't like me |
| 22:18:47 | mandrake | i get craploads of NAKs for that one |
| 22:18:57 | mandrake | but this time the root image didn't error on me |
| 22:18:59 | mandrake | happy |
| 22:19:31 | Disconnect | mandrake: advantage of familiar - "ipkg install intimate-base" (or something like that - gets you all set up to run intimate, AFAIK..) |
| 22:19:31 | Disconnect | cool :) |
| 22:20:03 | mandrake | Disconnect: the problem with intimate was that it installed apt and then killed itself off |
| 22:20:06 | mandrake | apt wasn't working |
| 22:20:16 | mandrake | so all the portions it was trying to overwrite using apt failed miserably |
| 22:20:18 | mandrake | and that was that :) |
| 22:20:20 | mandrake | dead ipaq :) |
| 22:20:40 | mandrake | but, I can at least reload familiar, and try again |
| 22:20:54 | Disconnect | heh. owies. |
| 22:22:35 | Lomax | Disconnect : sorry, trouble with my connection |
| 22:22:56 | Lomax | Disconnect : yes, ive installed the bootloader and succesfully installed the linux kernel. |
| 22:23:14 | Disconnect | Lomax: no prob. ok - sorry to sound suspicious, we get all kinds of WinCE crap ;) |
| 22:23:20 | mandrake | okay |
| 22:23:24 | mandrake | got ppp back up to the ipaq |
| 22:23:36 | Disconnect | Lomax: I haven't used nt but in THEORY the standard ppp or ethernet stuff will work. (and hyperterm for the rest of the load) |
| 22:23:39 | mandrake | I'm going to go out to dinner and then come back and tackle the problem again |
| 22:23:39 | mandrake | :) |
| 22:23:46 | Lomax | :) |
| 22:24:07 | Lomax | Disconnect : its probably some stupid user login problem. im not that familiar with all parts of the linux system |
| 22:24:16 | Disconnect | Lomax: whats happening? |
| 22:24:43 | Disconnect | (or not happening, as the case may be) |
| 22:24:47 | Lomax | its when im trying to do the direct connection from nt. got my terminal window and asks me for login. |
| 22:25:19 | Disconnect | Lomax: 'root' password 'rootme' |
| 22:25:32 | Lomax | yeah, but that wont work for ppp connection right? |
| 22:25:56 | Disconnect | Lomax: right. for that you gotta get weird (not sure how to do that in win32.. :( I think the wiki might have directions tho.) |
| 22:25:58 | | ppp is http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/PPPHowto |
| 22:25:58 | Disconnect | ibot: ppp |
| 22:26:22 | Lomax | ive read the howto. so the steps are done. i just dont get the connection. |
| 22:26:39 | Lomax | one stupid question. how do i make a password for my ppp user on the ipaq? |
| 22:26:39 | perlan | then look in the log |
| 22:26:46 | perlan | u don't |
| 22:26:55 | Lomax | i just leave it as :: or? |
| 22:26:58 | Disconnect | uses usbnet (I heard someone was trying to hack a win32 driver for usbnet) or wireless... |
| 22:27:16 | Lomax | (in /etc/passwd) |
| 22:27:16 | perlan | ah, you've never done PPP before I take it |
| 22:27:24 | Lomax | perlan : right :) |
| 22:27:34 | perlan | read the PPP Howto |
| 22:28:00 | perlan | not the wiki one, the general linux howto |
| 22:29:01 | Lomax | yeah ill do that. thanx. ill report my success or failure later ;-) |
| 22:32:49 | Lomax | is there a "ps" command or something so you can kill unwanted processes in familiar? |
| 22:33:09 | perlan | bootstrap version? |
| 22:33:34 | Lomax | let me check, probably the latest. grab the stuff like 2 days ago |
| 22:33:48 | perlan | there are 2 versions of familiar |
| 22:37:09 | Lomax | 0.4 if thats what you mean by bootstrap version (lomax feeling quite dumb here ;-) ) |
| 22:37:27 | perlan | the more details, the better the answers |
| 22:37:43 | perlan | there is unfortunately, no ps in 'bootstrap' |
| 22:37:50 | perlan | kinds dumb IMO |
| 22:38:16 | perlan | find the ps (procps or something) ipk, download and install |
| 22:38:47 | Lomax | can you install stuff with a terminal connection instead? just as i did with the kernel? then i didnt have to worry about the ppp stuff. |
