| 01:20:36 | flypiper | ?? |
| 01:21:08 | perlan | yes, auto-zmodem on terminal |
| 01:22:16 | flypiper | I put Linux on my ipaq friday night and have task familiar on it now...can I load the ipkg's that I want on it? |
| 01:22:41 | flypiper | or is it better to start with bootstrap and build a system? |
| 01:23:01 | perlan | that's your decision |
| 01:23:09 | perlan | depends on your goals |
| 01:23:44 | flypiper | I want to learn as I go ..but I would like to have somewhat of a useful tool. |
| 01:24:00 | perlan | much linux background? |
| 01:24:44 | flypiper | I think i will allways be a newbie.. |
| 01:24:54 | flypiper | but I am willing to learn |
| 01:25:12 | perlan | then you should really install the full familiar for now |
| 01:25:35 | perlan | you will have plenty of learning experiences anyway |
| 01:25:51 | flypiper | OK ...that's what i am finding out... |
| 01:26:02 | flypiper | but hey it's fun! |
| 01:26:08 | perlan | so they claim |
| 01:26:22 | flypiper | im with ya there |
| 01:27:03 | flypiper | the task familiar...can I run kde desktop? |
| 01:28:23 | flypiper | or kde for the ipaq..sorry |
| 01:28:37 | perlan | i have no idea, never run kde |
| 01:28:50 | flypiper | IC |
| 01:29:25 | cmarqu | kde runs under intimate |
| 01:29:36 | flypiper | OK |
| 01:29:55 | cmarqu | but i guess you don't really want it... |
| 01:30:29 | flypiper | probably takes up lots of room? |
| 01:30:48 | cmarqu | i guess. and it won't be really fast either |
| 01:33:28 | flypiper | Im learning to read all fine print in your how-to's |
| 01:34:27 | flypiper | they were very good though...got a newbie like me up and running..! |
| 01:34:28 | cmarqu | fine print? increase your fint size :) |
| 01:35:03 | flypiper | Got it..I will on the next one....thanks |
| 01:35:26 | flypiper | Im just getting old and can't see |
| 01:39:35 | flypiper | thanks very much for your thoughts, have a great evening |
| 03:07:09 | joyjas | I just installed Familiar, the root filesystem I used Familiar v0.4 task-familiar-complete.jffs2 Can i remove this and use Familiar v0.4 task-bootstrap.jffs2 as the root image? |
| 03:08:01 | Disconnect | joyjas: just reflash it - get into the bootldr then pick up the directions where it has you flash the root partition |
| 03:09:28 | joyjas | How do I get back into the bootldr? |
| 03:09:41 | joyjas | Do I just hit space on my terminal during reboot? |
| 03:09:53 | Disconnect | yah or follow the big on-screen directions |
| 03:10:16 | joyjas | Thanks |
| 07:45:35 | SleepingDragon | is away: good night all |
| 08:09:23 | | bisscuitt: i'm not following you... |
| 08:09:23 | bisscuitt | ibot: ssh-keygen |
| 08:09:29 | | ssh is at http://www.openssh.org |
| 08:09:29 | bisscuitt | ibot: ssh |
| 08:09:35 | | bisscuitt: huh? |
| 08:09:35 | bisscuitt | ibot: sshd |
| 08:09:43 | | bisscuitt: huh? |
| 08:09:43 | bisscuitt | ibot: ssh host key |
| 08:09:51 | | bisscuitt: i'm not following you... |
| 08:09:51 | bisscuitt | ibot: ssh key |
| 08:10:02 | | bisscuitt: sorry... |
| 08:10:02 | bisscuitt | ibot: host key |
| 08:10:07 | | bisscuitt: excuse me? |
| 08:10:07 | bisscuitt | ibot: key |
| 08:10:15 | | bisscuitt: sorry... |
| 08:10:15 | bisscuitt | ibot: genrate ssh key |
| 08:10:20 | | sshkey is ssh-keygen -b 512 -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key -N ''; ssh-keygen -d -b 512 -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key -N '' |
| 08:10:20 | BZFlag | ibot: sshkey |
| 08:10:26 | bisscuitt | woo hoo ! |
| 08:10:30 | bisscuitt | cheers : ) |
| 08:10:54 | BZFlag | you can do : "ibot search for ssh" as well. |
| 11:07:18 | sjoerd | anyone know a good place to find info about linux on a jonade 548 |
| 11:17:05 | fad | a7r: how long until familiar .5? |
| 12:16:11 | mandrake | morning |
| 12:16:11 | mandrake | :) |
| 12:17:20 | mpakula | :-O |
| 12:17:43 | mpakula | mandrake do you know MDK8.0 ? |
| 12:17:48 | mandrake | no |
| 12:17:55 | mandrake | the fact they named the distribution after me is purely coincidental |
| 12:18:31 | mpakula | ;-( I need small help with MDK |
| 13:04:57 | nikos | Morning CmdrChalupa |
| 13:06:09 | CmdrChalupa | morning nikos |
| 13:06:28 | CmdrChalupa | any news on the framebuffer stuff? Has that been fixed? |
| 13:07:10 | nikos | CmdrChalupa: I haven't heard anything. |
| 13:08:03 | nikos | CmdrChalupa: Then again, have you tried the latest 2.4.7 kernels in the lorien feed? Seems like maybe sjohnson said he was only having trouble with sound now. But then, I may be confused. |
| 13:09:04 | CmdrChalupa | well, I'm trying to compile my own, so unless there are patches in the lorien feed... |
| 13:09:36 | nikos | CmdrChalupa: Indeed not. You have updated since Friday? |
| 13:25:56 | CmdrChalupa | shoot |
| 13:26:16 | CmdrChalupa | stupid intimate uses stupid glibc 2.1.3 while familiar uses 2.1.2 |
| 13:27:39 | nikos | s/2.1.2/2.2.1/? |
| 13:29:35 | CmdrChalupa | right |
| 13:29:52 | CmdrChalupa | 1 and 2 keys are so close together :P |
| 13:43:05 | mpakula | how much space Familiar v0.4 task-bootstrap.jffs2 takes in flash ? |
| 13:43:32 | nikos | mpakula: Look at the size of the .jffs2 file. |
| 13:44:01 | CmdrChalupa | nikos: If you have any ideas on how I can reconcile those two libc versions so that I could use intimate as a development platform for familiar, let me know |
| 13:45:09 | nikos | CmdrChalupa: I've never used intimate. I think someone must be doing what you want to do. Send email to the lists. |
| 13:50:30 | mpakula | nikos: does task-bootstrap.jffs2 have drivers for pcmcia and Lucent 802.11 LAN cards ? |
| 13:50:44 | nikos | mpakula: Yes. |
| 13:51:11 | nikos | mpakula: One of the requirements of the bootstrap is support for all networking methods. Otherwise people would not be able to continue the installation process. |
| 13:52:27 | dneuer | hi |
| 13:54:06 | mpakula | nikos: I'm in desperate need of free space on flash and I guess the only fast solution is to >load root ( not familiar-complete) ? |
| 13:54:59 | nikos | mpakula: No, you can use ipkg to remove packages if you like. |
| 13:58:32 | mpakula | i had some problems with pikpak.py it didn't remove ipkg even though it said removing ;( |
| 14:01:00 | nikos | mpakula: Use the command line ipkg. |
| 14:01:30 | nikos | mpakula: You should also make sure you have the lastest pikpak, mallum is the author so he may be able to help you. |
| 14:02:19 | mpakula | nikos: thanks |
| 14:08:56 | mpakula | mallum: I'm trying to remove some ipkg like irda,stowaway ect and pikpak0.4-5 says removing but it doesn't fre memory ;( ? |
| 14:16:27 | nikos | sjohnson: What's the latest status of the framebuffer? |
| 14:16:56 | sjohnson | nikos: How a new 2.4.7 been released? |
| 14:17:17 | sjohnson | s/How/Has/ |
| 14:17:32 | DragonEagle | is back |
| 14:21:21 | nikos | sjohnson: Not that I'm aware of. I couldn't remember what your status was on Friday, whether or not hte Framebuffer was good then. |
| 14:23:14 | mallum | mpakula: pikpak 0.4-5 is way beta - is it now in unstable ????? |
| 14:23:16 | mpakula | terry: are you around ? |
| 14:24:22 | sjohnson | nikos: Frame buffer is very sluggish. It's too slow by a factor of 5 or so. |
| 14:24:44 | nikos | CmdrChalupa: Well, there's your answer. ;) |
| 14:24:46 | nikos | sjohnson: Thanks. |
| 14:25:02 | nikos | Now that I think of it, I think jamey is waiting on an answer from those in the know. |
| 14:26:42 | mpakula | mallum: that is where i got it from and one more thing when i press _ at the top left corner it quits and not minimazes pikpak, but that is the problem of all the apps that i run on my iPAQ |
| 14:27:28 | mallum | mpakula: thats a wm issue ... |
| 14:27:59 | mallum | mpakula: to be honest my ipaqs been broke and I havn't worked on pikpak for a while. I plan to start up again this week on it |
| 14:28:56 | mandrake | mpakula: topleft button in blackbox is minimize. |
| 14:29:07 | mandrake | are you sure it's not available? |
| 14:29:23 | mpakula | mallum: I guess I will just load root again and that might be the fastest solution ;) |
| 14:29:32 | mandrake | i.e. you click the desktop, navigate to the icons folder and reselect your app |
| 14:30:01 | mallum | mpakula: load root ? |
| 14:30:42 | terrys | mpakula: yeah I'm here although busy on the phone... |
| 14:31:30 | mpakula | mallum: i run on task familiar complete and i need more space for some apps so loading root is the fastest way (not complete of course) |
| 14:32:18 | mpakula | terrys: how are you ??\ |
| 14:32:32 | terrys | mpakula: fine and you ? |
| 14:33:38 | mpakula | terrys: setting up and double checking vic and rat for tomorrow I have unofficial presentation of the system ;) |
| 14:34:12 | terrys | mpakula: cool - do you need me as a destination ? |
| 14:36:00 | mpakula | terrys: not necessary for it is going to be about 4.00 am your time but as soo as i get firewall solved I'd like to try connection ;) |
| 14:37:12 | mpakula | terrys: but when you get on line I'll probably have neew root and vic and rat on flash ;) |
| 14:39:05 | terrys | mpakula: ok then so you're making progress on your firewall issues - good |
| 14:40:59 | mpakula | terrys: I hope so ! if it desn't work tomorrow as promissed than I'm going official way. |
| 15:07:27 | CmdrChalupa | nikos: okay, i'm gonna try cross compiling |
| 15:07:58 | CmdrChalupa | jumps for joy at an opportunity to try something new to him |
| 15:08:01 | nikos | CmdrChalupa: Cool |
| 15:09:08 | CmdrChalupa | nikos: using the arm-linux-toolchain, stuff compiles nicely for familiar, right? |
| 15:10:12 | sjohnson | CmdrChalupa: Most of the time. Sometimes you will find packages that are not cross-compile friendly. |
| 15:10:16 | nikos | CmdrChalupa: I have no idea. I build stuff on the skiffcluster. It should be OK for kernels at least. |
| 15:11:37 | CmdrChalupa | sjohnson: all I'm gonna compile is kernel, pcmcia-cs, and wlan-ng...with a possible attempt at compiling perl-threads, which I hear is not cross compile friendly |
| 15:13:54 | sjohnson | CmdrChalupa: You should have that must trouble. I've found most fixed to be tweaking a Makefile or adding #define's . |
| 15:14:26 | nikos | is away: Errand |
| 15:18:33 | CmdrChalupa | sjohnson: what, for the perl compile? |
| 15:20:42 | sjohnson | CmdrChalupa: I don't know about the perl compile. I was just commenting on the problems I've encounter compileing things like pppd, pcmcia-cs, etc. |
| 15:20:50 | CmdrChalupa | ah |
| 15:20:51 | CmdrChalupa | gotcha |
| 15:35:41 | simon123 | i am trying to setup my elsa airlancer mc-11 802.11b card. i guess it is based on orinoco silver. |
| 15:39:09 | sjohnson | is away: food run |
| 15:46:06 | sjohnson | is back (gone 00:06:56) |
| 16:05:24 | | dneuer was last seen on #ipaq 2 hours, 12 minutes and 54 seconds ago, saying: hola [Mon Aug 13 14:52:30 2001] |
| 16:05:24 | jg_ | ibot:seen dneuer |
| 16:16:10 | a7r | re.. |
| 16:16:49 | jg_ | a7r: morning... |
| 16:17:09 | sjohnson | 'lo a7r |
| 16:17:11 | a7r | jg_: hey.. how's life? |
| 16:17:17 | a7r | sjohnson: re.. |
| 16:17:44 | jg_ | so, so... Haven't slept well since Friday night... |
| 16:18:08 | jg_ | Power failure yesterday mroning at 5:50, and my alarm woke me up at 6:00 this morning... |
| 16:18:32 | a7r | jg_: suck. |
| 16:18:46 | jg_ | Yup... |
| 16:18:47 | a7r | I moved Koi this weekend, and worked on my car.. |
| 16:19:07 | jg_ | I have enough sleep trouble as it is to really resent it when other things screw it up. |
| 16:19:11 | jg_ | who is Koi? |
| 16:19:45 | a7r | Just a bunch of my fish.. big ornamental carp.. |
| 16:20:23 | a7r | It's a real pain in the ass to move an 18" fish, without hurting it. |
| 16:20:33 | jg_ | Yup. slippery, too... |
| 16:21:00 | a7r | it bruised its head, which I'm bummed about.. I'm just hoping it doesn't turn into an infection. |
| 16:21:18 | jg_ | That would not be good.... |
| 16:22:52 | simon123 | hi, sorry if im interrupting your conversation. installed kernel 2.4.7 and the familiar bootstrap. where can i get wlanctl now to get wireless lan working? |
| 16:23:56 | Disconnect | simon123: it should be installed. iwconfig |
| 16:24:10 | jg_ | Usually things "just work" if you are running dhcp... |
| 16:24:15 | simon123 | disconnect: unfortunately not |
| 16:24:16 | CmdrChalupa | nikos: how long does it take you to compile a kernel on the skiff cluster? |
| 16:24:18 | cworth | greetings a7r, jg_ |
| 16:24:25 | jg_ | cworth: hi... |
| 16:24:25 | a7r | hey cworth.. |
| 16:24:39 | CmdrChalupa | oh, he's not here |
| 16:24:55 | simon123 | jg_: sigh ;) i am missing wlanctl and iwconfig |
| 16:25:27 | cworth | keithp and I have been grappling with render trying to get translucency in xstroke. it's almost ready. |
| 16:25:45 | jg_ | cworth: neat! |
| 16:26:02 | jg_ | Someone else was telling me they were hacking on xstroke to make something more grafitti like... |
| 16:26:27 | cworth | jg_: hmmm.. they should talk to me. I'll be doing that as well. |
| 16:26:53 | jg_ | I think it may have been Ken Steele. Let's ask in a bit... |
| 16:27:22 | jg_ | rather, they were supervising someone who was hacking xstroke... |
| 16:27:32 | a7r | I wishing I was eating waffles right now.. |
| 16:28:05 | a7r | contemplates taking the OHH call from a cafe. |
| 16:28:46 | jg_ | got a cell phone? |
| 16:28:49 | a7r | yup. |
| 16:30:03 | jg_ | If you are starving (and can get good signal strength), go for it... |
| 16:30:27 | a7r | if I can get this netwinder up in 5 minutes, I'm going to. ;) |
| 16:30:57 | jg_ | a7r: Probably time to abandon the netwinder... |
| 16:31:26 | a7r | jg_: yeah, these 2 are on their last legs.. |
| 16:31:48 | jg_ | I'm mostly happy with Intimate on an iPAQ... |
| 16:32:09 | a7r | but they do have PCI IDE, and 100 megabit ethernet, which spanks the iPAQs.. but the SA110 is abit slowwr. |
| 16:32:24 | jg_ | mostly as we need a better toolchain... |
| 16:32:36 | jg_ | a7r: that is just an argument for more RAM.... |
| 16:32:42 | a7r | hehe |
| 16:32:53 | a7r | how did your 128 MB upgrade go? |
| 16:33:32 | jg_ | had problems: might have been bad memory chips, or wrong memory controller settings... Sent it back for rework. Will try again soon... |
| 16:33:42 | a7r | did you see that PCE is offering that upgrade |
| 16:33:56 | jg_ | Yup. got it running under WinCE... |
| 16:36:37 | a7r | jg_: I'm also interested in getting a new toolchain up and running for building ARM on OS X. |
| 16:37:41 | jg_ | Why? 1.4 ghz Athlon not fast enough for you? |
| 16:38:24 | a7r | yeah yeah.. I should just get one and stick it in the rack, but I feel so dirty buying x86. ;) |
| 16:40:44 | a7r | damn.. kernel booted, but the netwinder didn't come up. :P |
| 16:45:03 | mandrake | damn |
| 16:45:12 | mandrake | I'm having ppp issues with intimate |
| 16:49:29 | jg_ | a7r: just so long as Intel doesn't get any money.... |
| 16:51:36 | a7r | Whoop.. the netwinder came up. |
| 17:00:16 | sjohnson | is away: BRB |
| 17:06:35 | sjohnson | is back (gone 00:06:19) |
| 18:12:44 | a7r | nelson: re.. |
| 18:13:36 | nelson | yo. /me's linux box crashed. hard. no keyclick. Must be crappy hardware. :) |
| 18:14:02 | nelson | what you think of my /sbin/pm_handler_list idea? |
| 18:15:09 | a7r | where did you post it? |
| 18:17:19 | nelson | linux@ |
| 18:23:28 | mandrake | whoo |
| 18:35:42 | nelson | mandrake: try /who |
| 18:36:04 | mandrake | no no, I meant 'whoo' as in I got ppp running again |
| 18:36:11 | mandrake | I'm quite familiar with irc, thanks :) |
| 18:36:18 | nelson | Hehe. |
| 18:36:56 | nelson | mandrake: Yeah, I saw the "choice of car" discussion last nite. /me suggests a Subaru. AWD is the bomb. |
| 18:38:05 | nelson | mandrake: I met Adam Black and Kevin Lenzo at the O'Reilly conference. |
| 18:39:05 | mandrake | alan |
| 18:39:08 | mandrake | I work with them |
| 18:39:19 | mandrake | Alan Black |
| 18:39:32 | mandrake | They run the company, joe and I run day to day operations |
| 18:41:30 | nelson | Dang. I keep confusing Alan and the U.K. cryptographer adam. |
| 18:58:05 | mandrake | http://mandrake.net/images/ipaq_scrshot.png |
| 18:58:06 | mandrake | whoo |
| 19:02:26 | nelson | mandrake: cute. |
| 21:13:14 | fad | #handhelds.org |
| 23:48:40 | mindrape | i'm trying to reflash muh ipaq, fam v0.4 kernel, but when i upload it just uploads forever |
| 23:48:47 | mindrape | never stops |
| 23:48:55 | mindrape | anyone have any suggestions? |
| 23:57:08 | sachac | Alright. Got Familiar mostly installed on my iPAQ and am trying to set up networking. The PPP-HOWTO says that my changes get lost whenever I reboot, and advises me to make my own cramfs image. I'm using jffs, and I couldn't find docs on that.. =) |
| 23:59:44 | sachac | is highly annoyed. Forgot to compile in PPP when she rebuilt her kernel. |
