| 00:06:30 | DragonEagle | is away: :~i |
| 00:11:31 | DragonEagle | is back |
| 01:29:38 | sjohnson | Morn: What type of CF reader did you buy? |
| 01:30:16 | Morn | I'm looking at the Zio, I didn't buy it yet |
| 01:31:14 | Morn | Although another person said all I need to do is get the PCMCIA adapter for the CF card and it will look like a hard drive to the laptop |
| 01:31:28 | sjohnson | Morn: That is correct. |
| 01:32:05 | Morn | I can get the adapter locally so I may do that instead |
| 01:32:42 | sjohnson | I use the PNy Technologies Reader. Someone developer a patch for Linux for it. |
| 01:32:51 | Morn | cool |
| 01:34:57 | sjohnson | Hmm. The Zio Smart Media reader works in 2.4.x. I wonder if the others work? |
| 01:35:49 | Morn | I wasn't sure if it would work under linux or if I would have to reboot to windows... but if the pcmcia adapter works too, then I'll just do that |
| 01:47:35 | DragonEagle | is away: farscape |
| 03:44:35 | bhimaji | is ircing from his ipaq via wavelan. |
| 03:45:17 | bhimaji | hrm. bbl. |
| 05:23:34 | DragonEagle | is away: you know where |
| 07:24:54 | DragonEagle | is back |
| 08:42:04 | SleepingDragon | is away: good night all |
| 15:22:10 | mpakula | terrys: morning |
| 15:23:35 | mpakula | is sad about reflashing again |
| 15:33:37 | DragonEagle | is back |
| 15:38:02 | mpakula | stays with blackbox - more fun. CU Monday cool ppl |
| 18:01:39 | mallum | is away: dinner |
| 18:03:50 | DragonEagle | is away: lunch |
| 18:06:23 | Morn | hey, can someone send me a .config file for building the kernel for familiar so I have a starting place? |
| 18:07:38 | sgodsell | Well that should already be there if you have the source |
| 18:07:54 | Morn | I got the source from cvs but I didn't see a .config file... |
| 18:14:08 | sgodsell | Well the all the config files are in arch/arm/def-configs |
| 18:15:04 | sgodsell | Just take a look in that directory. There are a bunch that start with h3600* |
| 18:15:30 | sgodsell | Which kernel version are you going to compile |
| 18:18:06 | sgodsell | Oh by the way you chose one of the configuration files in arch/arm/def-configs then either copy it to .config or use the load option from the make menuconfig or make xconfig |
| 18:19:29 | Morn | ah |
| 18:19:35 | sgodsell | s/chose/choose |
| 18:20:33 | sgodsell | So which kernel version are you going to compile 2.4.X-XXX-XXX |
| 18:20:35 | sgodsell | ? |
| 18:20:47 | Morn | the one I just got from cvs |
| 18:21:08 | Morn | 2.4.7 |
| 18:24:42 | Morn | ok, it's building now... crossing fingers |
| 18:26:49 | sgodsell | 2.4.7-rmk? |
| 18:27:52 | Morn | rmk3-np1 |
| 18:32:18 | sgodsell | So Morn you are based in Fremont CA, I had a contract in Pleasantan once. |
| 18:55:39 | Morn | is there a initrd for familiar? |
| 19:40:11 | DragonEagle | is back |
| 19:45:56 | Morn | ls |
| 19:45:59 | Morn | ooops |
| 19:46:02 | Morn | anyone around? |
| 19:47:03 | DragonEagle | well, pretty square here |
| 19:47:05 | DragonEagle | :P |
| 19:48:18 | Morn | I am looking for the initrd image for familiar |
| 19:48:21 | Morn | I can't seem to find it |
| 19:48:38 | DragonEagle | initrd image? there isn't one |
| 19:49:01 | Morn | hmmm, the docs for booting without flashing reference it... |
| 19:49:14 | DragonEagle | what's the url? |
| 19:50:46 | Morn | http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/BootLinuxWithoutFlashing |
| 19:51:04 | DragonEagle | let me check that out and see if I can help you |
| 19:54:04 | DragonEagle | you mean the archive for building your ramdisk, right? |
| 19:54:23 | Morn | right |
| 19:54:32 | DragonEagle | ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/linux/dists/familiar/releases/v0.4/install/H3600 |
| 19:54:37 | DragonEagle | you either want...... |
| 19:54:50 | DragonEagle | task-bootstrab.tar.gz |
| 19:54:51 | DragonEagle | or |
| 19:55:03 | DragonEagle | task-familiar-complete.tar.gz |
| 19:55:09 | DragonEagle | the latter has X |
| 19:56:30 | Morn | it says to create a ramdisk of 4meg neither of those will fit |
| 20:00:40 | Morn | tries an experiment. |
| 20:06:09 | Morn | I don't think he meant to use the task-bootstrap that is 12meg |
| 20:06:59 | Morn | and you put task-familiar-complete on the regular drive |
| 20:07:05 | Morn | so it seems silly to have both... |
| 20:07:30 | Morn | there has to be a smaller initrd to just get the system ready to load the real filesystem |
| 20:08:13 | DragonEagle | goes back a few versions..... |
| 20:08:57 | DragonEagle | Morn: check back in version0.3 |
| 20:09:04 | DragonEagle | ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/linux/dists/familiar/releases/v0.3 |
| 20:09:36 | DragonEagle | init-v0.3-tgz |
| 20:09:41 | Morn | checking out the root-v0.3-src.tar.gz |
| 20:09:59 | DragonEagle | you man need to patch against v0.4... |
| 20:10:26 | Morn | brb, need something to drink |
| 20:10:46 | | DragonEagle: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 20:10:46 | DragonEagle | ibot weather knid |
| 20:28:48 | DragonEagle | GodShell is that God Shell or Gods Hell? :P |
| 20:31:05 | GodShell | oh hey.. oh weird am given to subliminal suggestion |
| 20:31:40 | GodShell | i am too based in Fremont CA |
| 20:31:59 | GodShell | er also |
| 20:32:18 | GodShell | but moving next week to redmond wa |
| 20:32:20 | Morn | gives up on the atempt to dual boot, and just goes to install linux |
| 20:32:27 | DragonEagle | right on Morn |
| 20:32:50 | GodShell | dual booting sujests downtime |
| 20:33:21 | DragonEagle | GodShell, heading for microsoft land |
| 20:33:44 | GodShell | :> .. i am going to just hand out with some old freinds there for a while.. but wont work there |
| 20:34:05 | DragonEagle | lol |
| 20:34:07 | GodShell | (they are working on a simular project to my company) |
| 20:34:32 | GodShell | besides they actually do not pay very well. |
| 20:34:41 | DragonEagle | GodShell: don't mind me too much, the channel was kind dead so I was playing |
| 20:34:53 | DragonEagle | s/kind/kinda/ |
| 20:34:56 | GodShell | my friend has been there 3 yrs.. and he only makes 65l |
| 20:35:00 | GodShell | ;> n/p |
| 20:35:11 | GodShell | erm 65k year |
| 20:35:20 | DragonEagle | hey, you know anything about ntpdate? |
| 20:35:21 | GodShell | but he is a web developer |
| 20:35:48 | GodShell | ntupdate? |
| 20:35:57 | GodShell | is that a service pack installer? |
| 20:36:18 | DragonEagle | ok, guess not, it's for syncing your clock with a ntp server |
| 20:36:27 | GodShell | oh yeah.. i do that alot |
| 20:36:38 | DragonEagle | but for some reason it always does utc |
| 20:36:39 | GodShell | net.exe /time .. |
| 20:36:43 | GodShell | let me check |
| 20:37:21 | GodShell | NET TIME synchronizes the computer's clock with that of another computer |
| 20:37:21 | GodShell | or domain, or displays the time for a computer or domain. When used without |
| 20:37:21 | GodShell | options on a Windows Server domain, it displays the current |
| 20:37:21 | GodShell | date and time at the computer designated as the time server for the domain. |
| 20:37:21 | GodShell | This command allows setting the NTP timeserver for computername. |
| 20:37:22 | GodShell | \\computername Is the name of the computer you want to check or |
| 20:37:24 | GodShell | synchronize with. |
| 20:37:32 | GodShell | Sets the NTP time servers to be used by this computer. This |
| 20:37:32 | GodShell | may be a list of IP addresses or DNS names separated by spaces. |
| 20:37:32 | GodShell | If multiple timeservers are listed, the list must be surrounded |
| 20:37:32 | GodShell | by quotes. |
| 20:37:34 | DragonEagle | GodShell different program...different OS |
| 20:37:46 | GodShell | ah.. you just want to run the service right? |
| 20:37:51 | GodShell | ande nmake sure it's RFC |
| 20:38:06 | GodShell | (err works like its supposed to) |
| 20:38:08 | DragonEagle | no, I just want to get my clock synced in pacific time |
| 20:38:24 | DragonEagle | reboot |
| 20:38:47 | GodShell | so right now your time is in UMT ? |
| 20:38:52 | GodShell | err utc ? |
| 20:38:53 | DragonEagle | yep |
| 20:39:20 | GodShell | oh it's only a GUI issue likely.. but then turned into a sevices issue |
| 20:39:56 | DragonEagle | fixed, did it manually |
| 20:39:56 | GodShell | who reads your time? |
| 20:40:02 | DragonEagle | me |
| 20:40:31 | GodShell | so its for human consumption. and you fixed that in control panel right? |
| 20:40:39 | DragonEagle | the system I'm working with doesn't have a persistant rtc so I have to reset it every time it boots |
| 20:41:51 | GodShell | so it changes often? |
| 20:42:02 | GodShell | what i mean is once your BIOS clock is in sync... |
| 20:42:03 | DragonEagle | GodShell, you know this is a linux support channel right? |
| 20:42:19 | GodShell | ah.. dud ;. i see |
| 20:42:24 | GodShell | hehe |
| 20:42:52 | DragonEagle | actually linux for pda's |
| 20:42:59 | GodShell | it's just you brought up the subject of MS :) |
| 20:43:21 | DragonEagle | yeahm redmond wa==enemy territory :-P |
| 20:43:40 | GodShell | you know ms has some linux inbitiatives |
| 20:44:43 | GodShell | i was on the connectivity team.. my biggest gripe about nt.. and have been trying to get the priority moved up on expandidnd the NTFS driver to run on ext2fs |
| 20:46:20 | GodShell | anyways isnt there a service to client a time server regularly? |
| 20:47:11 | DragonEagle | yes, I was trying to get a timezone offset into it |
| 20:48:39 | GodShell | timetool ? |
| 20:48:47 | DragonEagle | got it thanks |
| 20:48:53 | GodShell | timeconfig |
| 20:48:54 | DragonEagle | /etc/localtime |
| 20:49:35 | GodShell | most systems that is a binary file.. not texct |
| 20:49:57 | DragonEagle | yeah, it's binary, text would be nice tho |
| 20:50:00 | GodShell | (not executrale eigther) |
| 20:50:45 | GodShell | ms will let nt users mount ext2fs.. but wont yet let us install the primary system on it |
| 20:51:39 | DragonEagle | I kinda like having like 20 filesystems to choose from :P |
| 20:52:36 | GodShell | mainly becasue of recursive symlinks and legacy applications that get caught in loops |
| 20:53:45 | GodShell | so i am forced to run SMB and run my nt machine off a ntwork drive ;< |
| 20:54:08 | GodShell | casue i cant live w/o symlinks |
| 20:56:03 | nephrael | ok.. if this is linux support help me out .. |
| 20:56:13 | nephrael | i want to chroot an appliaction |
| 20:57:02 | nephrael | .. but i dunno.. it may not be able t find glibc and all that.. |
| 20:57:45 | DragonEagle | you need the requird libs also in the chroot'd directory |
| 20:57:56 | DragonEagle | and that question is better asked on #linpeople |
| 20:58:10 | nephrael | in .. now asking |
| 20:58:26 | nephrael | yeah.. i have been wanting to do this for years. |
| 20:58:40 | nephrael | but i see symlinking the /lib dirs and stuff |
| 20:59:15 | nephrael | actually the more i think about i tells me i am just trying to be lazy |
| 20:59:37 | DragonEagle | If your going to symlink them, then symlink to the root from the chroot otherwise when you chroot you will break the links |
| 21:00:12 | nephrael | interesting |
| 21:01:10 | DragonEagle | if you think about it, if you do a ln -s /lib/libncurses.so /chrootdir/lib/libncurses.so....... |
| 21:01:36 | DragonEagle | then when you chroot to chrootdir then /lib/libncurses.so is a symlink to itself |
| 21:02:19 | nephrael | hrrm i see |
| 21:02:39 | nephrael | so the solution is.. even the original system one nees to really be a link to the real one |
| 21:03:29 | nephrael | i guess /lib needs to link to /real/lib |
| 21:03:43 | DragonEagle | you could avoid that problem py putting the real lib in /chrootdir/lib and symlinking /lib |
| 21:03:53 | nephrael | -s /real/lib/libncurses.so /chrootdir/lib/libncurses.so |
| 21:04:04 | DragonEagle | eg ln -s /chroodir/lib /lib |
| 21:04:19 | nephrael | yeah that would work |
| 21:04:27 | Morn | sigh... |
| 21:04:45 | DragonEagle | if you do /real/ then when you chroot, /real doesn't exist |
| 21:04:49 | Morn | I got the wrong cable... this one converts a serial cable to USB, not the other way around |
| 21:04:56 | DragonEagle | eg it can't be seen from the current process |
| 21:05:01 | nephrael | erks i see the snufa |
| 21:05:12 | nephrael | snafu |
| 21:05:12 | DragonEagle | Morh" doh~ |
| 21:05:36 | DragonEagle | suddelny forgot how to type |
| 21:05:45 | DragonEagle | and spell |
| 21:06:30 | Morn | grrrr |
| 21:06:44 | nephrael | eeks i have to run and do some stuff.. i'll be here later |
| 21:06:47 | DragonEagle | Morn: usb to serial is expensive too, and it may not work with the cradel |
| 21:07:06 | DragonEagle | nephrael: this is off topic, so when you come back,. /msg me |
| 21:08:41 | Morn | I'm just not keen on taking apart the cradle to do this |
| 21:09:26 | DragonEagle | I can understand that, you can probably get a Serial cable for less than adaptor |
| 21:09:54 | Morn | Do I have to get that from Compaq? I couldn't find one at compusa or office depot |
| 21:10:02 | DragonEagle | wishes he had of gotten cables instead of cradles |
| 21:25:51 | Morn | well at least I can backup the wince flash rom a while |
| 21:25:57 | Morn | and then decide what I want to do... |
| 21:39:57 | Morn | ugh... the compaq page for hardware crashes netscape everytime I try to access it |
| 21:44:27 | Morn | hmmm, I found a serial cradle for the 3650, wonder if it will work with the 3635 |
| 21:47:25 | DragonEagle | Morn: the only functional difference between the 3650 and the 3630: none |
| 21:47:45 | Morn | Ok, I'll order this then... |
| 21:49:36 | Morn | why would you dual boot a firewall? |
| 21:49:38 | Morn | seems silly |
| 21:49:50 | DragonEagle | yeah, it does |
| 21:50:01 | Morn | oops, wrong channel... |
| 21:50:08 | Morn | sorry |
| 21:56:32 | Morn | Ok, the cradle is ordered. |
| 21:56:46 | Morn | I feel better about doing it this way instead of taking the USB one apart. |
| 22:01:34 | nelazul | anybody know of a place to get a semi-cheap serial cable? |
| 22:02:03 | Morn | I just ordered a serial cradle for $36... that plus shipping |
| 22:03:23 | nephrael | back |
| 22:05:17 | nelazul | where? |
| 22:05:21 | Morn | Slackware was the first linux distro I used, in the mid 90's |
| 22:05:29 | Morn | cdw.com part 218398 |
| 22:05:36 | nelazul | thanks |
| 22:06:13 | nephrael | here |
| 22:06:32 | nelazul | hmmm... is all the cross-compiling possible under freebsd, or do i need to install debian? |
| 22:06:54 | Morn | you should be able to cross compile under anything |
| 22:07:05 | Morn | but you might need debian to build a package |
| 22:07:18 | Morn | or at least the tools... never done it myself |
| 22:07:25 | Morn | I'm a rpm person |
| 22:07:30 | nelazul | i think i can get alien or something to build the package |
| 22:07:31 | nelazul | heh |
| 22:07:57 | nelazul | i just got the deal on amazon, so i cant use the precompiled stuff |
| 22:08:03 | nelazul | its the cheapo model :) |
| 22:08:48 | Morn | the 3100 series? |
| 22:09:42 | nelazul | yeah |
| 22:09:54 | Morn | I wanted color so I went all out |
| 22:10:01 | nelazul | do you know if there'll be better support in 0.5 |
| 22:10:11 | nelazul | i would have too but i'm a poor student |
| 22:10:15 | Morn | I don't know... |
| 22:10:25 | Morn | is a poor free lance programmer... |
| 22:10:42 | nelazul | heh |
| 22:11:52 | DragonEagle | ls |
| 22:11:55 | DragonEagle | doh! |
| 23:27:04 | DragonEagle | is back |
| 23:27:14 | DragonEagle | is away: the server is lying |
| 23:33:25 | nephrael | wb DragonEagle |
| 23:33:58 | nephrael | i will work on the chroot soon .. right now i am more concerned with getting this application baselined |
| 23:34:38 | nephrael | but i was thinking i could circumvent extra configurations about paths by chrooting it |
| 23:34:55 | DragonEagle | is back |
| 23:35:09 | nephrael | for now i am just going to create a virual file system with tons of symlinks to put user paths together |
| 23:35:25 | DragonEagle | there is actually more configuration involved with chrooting |
| 23:35:46 | nephrael | it's funny i have never seen a successfull chroot before ;> |
| 23:36:00 | DragonEagle | in fact it's main purpose is to create a sandbox to keep certain users/programs form accessing important files |
| 23:36:24 | nephrael | yes.. for example.. i have a JSP server that i want to sandbox |
| 23:36:55 | nephrael | since it will be world accesble in a couple weeks |
| 23:37:00 | DragonEagle | right, so you would create a chroot sandbox copy in the necessary libraries etc... |
| 23:37:33 | nephrael | strace discovery process of knowing what it needs ;> |
| 23:40:05 | DragonEagle | ldd |
| 23:59:53 | DragonEagle | is back |