| 00:31:19 | DragonEagle | is away: giving my eyes a rest |
| 00:34:32 | Morn | can someone tell me what package /sbin/ide_info is in? |
| 00:49:50 | sjohnson | Morn: It should have been in the pcmcia-cs package. But it wasn't included. You pick up ide_info from the old hh distribution. |
| 00:58:19 | dneuer | is away: Law and Order, baby |
| 01:03:34 | mowse | anyone familiar with the cross-compiler want to give me some quick pointers on the linker? |
| 01:03:53 | mowse | for instance, does it make use of or reference a .conf file, as does ld? |
| 01:04:11 | mowse | that is, for locating libraries, etc |
| 01:06:55 | sjohnson | Using the x-compilers are just like using a native compiler. Your just need to make sure the Makefile is using the proper compiler binar.es |
| 01:07:41 | mowse | that's what I figured, though the linker seems to be having problems locating certain libraries. |
| 01:07:49 | mowse | for example, glib |
| 01:08:15 | DragonEagle | is back |
| 01:09:23 | sjohnson | mowse: The compiler should using the proper x-libraries with the toolchain dirs. |
| 01:09:37 | mowse | I understand this |
| 01:10:07 | mowse | <mowse> anyone familiar with the cross-compiler want to give me some quick pointers on the linker? |
| 01:10:07 | mowse | <mowse> for instance, does it make use of or reference a .conf file, as does ld? |
| 01:10:07 | mowse | <mowse> that is, for locating libraries, etc |
| 01:10:12 | mowse | sorry. gpm. |
| 01:10:26 | mowse | at any rate, read what I'm saying, the linker is not locating libraries properly |
| 01:10:42 | mowse | I'm not having problems with "make", etc, locating the binaries |
| 01:13:27 | sjohnson | mowse: I don't know what to tell you. I use the toolchain from hh.org without any problems like that. |
| 01:14:13 | mowse | perhaps if you describe your working environment, I can compare it to my own and extract any differences that might be affecting things. |
| 01:14:38 | mowse | as of now, I'm trying to observe the linker, where it is looking, at runtime, but it's difficult to watch through make |
| 01:15:14 | sjohnson | mowse: I'm using the beta toolchains from HH.org. I just add /usr/local/arm/bin to my path. And that's all I do. |
| 01:15:57 | sjohnson | mowse: run 'make ... > filename 2>&1' That will capture all make output to file 'filename' |
| 01:17:49 | mowse | I find strace'ing the linker provides a little more detail as to what's failing |
| 01:18:08 | mowse | what I'm getting at in specific is, does arm-linux-ld make use of a .conf file for locating libraries? |
| 01:20:49 | ech0 | greets |
| 01:23:50 | sjohnson | mowse: I don't know. have you make sure that your've got the proper libaries in toolchain_dir/lib/ ? |
| 01:24:06 | mowse | absolutely |
| 01:24:24 | mowse | I'll fiddle with the linker for a bit, and see what's up |
| 01:25:04 | sjohnson | the ".confg" file that I know of is in .../lib/gcc-lib/<version>/specs |
| 01:41:06 | nelson | Morn: I think Deborah Wallach beat you to being the first woman to run Linux on her ipaq. |
| 01:52:02 | sjohnson | is away: shower time |
| 02:05:07 | sjohnson | is back (gone 00:13:05) |
| 04:00:47 | DragonEagle | is away: hay, you've got weesels on your face |
| 04:48:07 | dneuer | is back (gone 03:49:47) |
| 05:56:59 | DragonEagle | is back |
| 07:25:51 | SleepingDragon | is away: ...and to all a good night |
| 07:31:02 | Dirky | hi, I am considering putting familiar linux on my ipaq with Qt but I wondered if there is any way of still getting calendar/notes/tasks etc sync'd with Outlook? |
| 07:31:28 | a7r | not at this point, but there has been hacking with Palm-capable software. |
| 07:36:34 | Dirky | shame, any sync capability with KDE/Gnome apps? |
| 07:36:47 | a7r | Dirky: not yet. |
| 07:37:02 | a7r | we've got kind of a if-you-want-it-you-better-write-it situation going. |
| 07:37:36 | Dirky | yes I understand, unfortunately I am not capable of that :( |
| 07:38:16 | Dirky | guess I will have to stick with this buggy pocket windows! gawd it is awful! |
| 07:38:27 | a7r | yup, it's pretty damn bad. |
| 10:13:51 | sventon | is away: I'm busy |
| 11:06:48 | sventon | is back (gone 00:52:57) |
| 12:13:39 | gls | hi, sjohnson && good-morning |
| 12:15:18 | sjohnson | Hi gls |
| 12:28:24 | sjohnson | is away: I'm busy. |
| 12:39:37 | sjohnson | is back (gone 00:11:13) |
| 13:14:52 | dneuer | hi |
| 13:21:18 | nikos | Hey dneuer |
| 13:36:56 | pattieja | is away: I'm busy |
| 13:37:04 | pattieja | is back (gone 00:00:03) |
| 13:48:01 | dneuer | is away: being dedicated father |
| 14:14:03 | hamoah | needs some help with H3135 |
| 14:28:05 | SleepingDragon | is back |
| 15:00:39 | DragonEagle | is back |
| 15:07:53 | dneuer_away | is back (gone 01:19:52) |
| 15:11:53 | DragonEagle | is away: bad habbits die hard |
| 15:12:54 | hamoah | dneuer - are you the one who wrote the ipaq h31xx wiki? |
| 15:17:14 | DragonEagle | is back |
| 15:18:10 | dneuer | hamoah: largely |
| 15:19:19 | hamoah | :) |
| 15:19:27 | hamoah | I'm actually having some trouble |
| 15:19:32 | hamoah | with my 3135 |
| 15:19:40 | dneuer | hamoah: what's up? |
| 15:19:55 | sjohnson | is away: I'm busy. |
| 15:24:24 | dneuer | hey howards |
| 15:24:30 | nikos | howards: http://handhelds.org/~dneuer/feed/task-bootstrap-defmods.jffs2 |
| 15:24:50 | nikos | dneuer: How about a note about which kernel that matches? Maybe even put a kernel there too? |
| 15:24:51 | howards | hhey |
| 15:25:00 | dneuer | nikos: sure |
| 15:25:15 | howards | is that the same one that was built sunday on the skiffs? |
| 15:25:18 | nikos | I can copy the one from the FTP site if you need me too. |
| 15:26:28 | dneuer | nikos: done |
| 15:26:33 | nikos | dneuer: Excellent |
| 15:26:44 | dneuer | nikos: I have write access to the rest of hh site, just not familiar |
| 15:26:50 | nikos | Ah |
| 15:27:43 | dneuer | howards: I build the image on my home machine |
| 15:27:50 | dneuer | built |
| 15:28:11 | howards | ok, I'll load it right now |
| 15:28:15 | dneuer | howards: if you're referring to zImage-rmk3-np1-hh2-mono1 |
| 15:29:06 | dneuer | howards, Paul_3135: the kernel and the root fs image are now both at http://handhelds.org/~dneuer/feed/task-bootstrap-defmods.jffs2 |
| 15:29:24 | dneuer | oops: http://handhelds.org/~dneuer/feed/ |
| 15:29:38 | howards | I was referring to the task-bootstrap-allmods root filesystem, but it's different than the one I have so nevermind |
| 15:30:59 | dneuer | howards: it's just renamed, but if you got one on Sunday, I'd be surprised if it boots; the first image I made didn't have a /bin/sh |
| 15:31:22 | dneuer | howards: I thought I hadn't uploaded it, even |
| 15:32:07 | howards | oh, :-) I guess that's why I can't get it to work |
| 15:32:23 | dneuer | howards: ls -l on the file there now shows a date of 8/29 |
| 15:32:53 | howards | nikos, could you put the jffs image on ftp |
| 15:33:14 | dneuer | howards: that reminds me, I need to update my desktop version of ipkg and test it again to see if it creates the link |
| 15:33:30 | howards | dneuer, maybe I'm crazy, but I downloaded something sunday |
| 15:33:34 | dneuer | howards: you should be able to use wget to snatch it |
| 15:33:49 | dneuer | howards: it's me that's crazy if I actually uploaded it then |
| 15:34:13 | dneuer | howards: though I don't think I told anyone to grab it until yesterday when it was working |
| 15:34:29 | nikos | howards: You can't access through http? |
| 15:34:36 | howards | I'm using a windows based terminal program |
| 15:34:46 | nikos | howards: You don't have a web browser? |
| 15:34:49 | howards | and explorer only downloads in ascii |
| 15:34:56 | dneuer | howards: right-click and do "save as" |
| 15:35:30 | dneuer | hooray, wife is home!! |
| 15:35:38 | howards | it's saving it as a text file |
| 15:36:20 | howards | when I click on the "save as type" option it only has All files and text file |
| 15:36:40 | howards | when i use either it's a .txt |
| 15:37:44 | nikos | howards: It's only temporary, but: |
| 15:37:57 | nikos | howards: ftp ftp.handhelds.org cd pub cd dneuer |
| 15:38:01 | howards | dneuer: you didn't tell me to grab it, I just saw it and thought I'd try |
| 15:38:08 | nikos | howards: I need ot get rid of that as soon as you are done. |
| 15:38:11 | dneuer | howars: can't you use "all files" type? |
| 15:38:51 | dneuer | howards: oops, didn't catch the second part of your comment |
| 15:42:11 | howards | dneuer: before I load the kernel and the root, what are your partition sizes? |
| 15:42:49 | howards | nikos: I got the kernel and root |
| 15:42:50 | nikos | howards: use 768 for the kernel, 256 for the bootloader and params, the rest for root |
| 15:43:04 | nikos | howards: Thanks. |
| 15:43:48 | howards | nikos: no, thank you |
| 15:44:57 | howards | nikos, if the bootldr and the params take 256, should the kernel's base be 00040000? |
| 15:46:31 | nikos | howards: Yes, that's right |
| 15:46:43 | nikos | oops |
| 15:46:47 | nikos | I said it wrong howards |
| 15:46:55 | nikos | 128 for bootloader and params |
| 15:47:12 | nikos | But that works out to what you just said. |
| 15:49:33 | howards | dneuer: could you do a "partition show" on your ipaq so I could test with the same settings? |
| 15:52:02 | dneuer | howards: hold on |
| 15:54:35 | dneuer | boot> partition show |
| 15:54:35 | dneuer | argv[1]=partition |
| 15:54:35 | dneuer | npartitions=00000004 |
| 15:54:35 | dneuer | bootldr |
| 15:54:36 | dneuer | base: 00000000 |
| 15:54:36 | dneuer | size: 00020000 |
| 15:54:38 | dneuer | flags: 00000002 |
| 15:54:40 | dneuer | params |
| 15:54:42 | dneuer | base: 00020000 |
| 15:54:44 | dneuer | size: 00020000 |
| 15:54:46 | dneuer | flags: 00000000 |
| 15:54:49 | dneuer | kernel |
| 15:54:51 | dneuer | base: 00040000 |
| 15:54:53 | dneuer | size: 000C0000 |
| 15:54:55 | dneuer | flags: 00000000 |
| 15:54:57 | dneuer | root base: 00100000 size: 00F00000 flags: 00000018 boot> |
| 15:55:05 | dneuer | howards: I'm still using bootldr v 2.14.8 |
| 15:56:25 | howards | thanks, I'm going to try with 2.14.15 |
| 15:58:03 | dneuer | howards: ok. Note that some people have reported hangs after suspend/resume w/ the 2.14.15 bootldr on mono units. If you get that, you'll want to back off to 2.14.8, or fix it :-) |
| 15:58:22 | dneuer | gotta go |
| 15:58:24 | dneuer | bye all |
| 16:03:18 | hamoah | is dneuer still here? |
| 16:03:29 | nikos | No, he left |
| 16:05:31 | hamoah | shoot - can anyone out there help with install on a 3135 |
| 16:05:33 | hamoah | ? |
| 16:06:01 | nikos | hamoah: What's the question? |
| 16:06:04 | Paul_3135 | OK: I need some hand-holding now. I just got the root and kernel images on my 3135, and it boots. Now what? |
| 16:06:21 | Paul_3135 | I set the date, and now I'd like a GUI. :) |
| 16:06:25 | hamoah | Paul- I don't know, but can you send me your root and boot images :) |
| 16:06:50 | Paul_3135 | dneuer posted them: http://handhelds.org/~dneuer/feed/ |
| 16:06:51 | nikos | hamoah: http://handhelds.org/~dneuer/feed/ |
| 16:07:04 | hamoah | nikos: yesterday as you may recall, I tried using the standard root images on the site |
| 16:07:09 | hamoah | that didn't work |
| 16:07:17 | nikos | hamoah: That is dneuer's images he just posted. |
| 16:07:22 | hamoah | today I tried nacho's images, but that doesn't work |
| 16:07:23 | hamoah | shit! |
| 16:07:27 | hamoah | he did? |
| 16:07:41 | nikos | Yes, just a little while ago. |
| 16:08:14 | nikos | Paul_3135: Edit /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 16:08:19 | hamoah | fuck me! |
| 16:08:22 | nikos | Paul_3135: What do you have currently set for a source? |
| 16:08:25 | hamoah | pardon my french |
| 16:08:28 | hamoah | I'll brb |
| 16:08:34 | Paul_3135 | Let me look.... |
| 16:08:53 | nikos | Paul_3135: Actually, first, you need to setup networking. |
| 16:08:57 | nikos | Paul_3135: Plans for networking? |
| 16:09:31 | Paul_3135 | I wasn't planning on any. I was rz-ind the packages to the device via HyperTerminal on a Win98 peecee. |
| 16:09:39 | Paul_3135 | *rz-ing |
| 16:09:44 | nikos | Paul_3135: That's not a reasonable solution. |
| 16:09:55 | nikos | Paul_3135: You really cannot use Linux on the ipaq without networking. |
| 16:10:08 | nikos | Paul_3135: It's extremely unweildy at best. |
| 16:10:10 | Paul_3135 | I have a serial cradle, and a peecee running Win98SE - what would you recommed? |
| 16:10:34 | nikos | Paul_3135: I would recommend investing in a CF sleeve and an inexpensive CF network card I guess. |
| 16:10:59 | nikos | Paul_3135: I guess no one told you that having a Linux desktop was highly recommended? Or at least something *nix. |
| 16:11:52 | nikos | Paul_3135: Here's the deal, you can transfer packages over with zmodem, but with that method you MUST manage the dependencies by hand. |
| 16:12:26 | | nikos: what? |
| 16:12:26 | nikos | ibot: windows ppp |
| 16:12:32 | | ppp is http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/PPPHowto |
| 16:12:32 | nikos | ibot: ppp |
| 16:13:02 | nikos | Paul_3135: Alternatively, you can try to setup PPP with your Win system, there is a link at the top of that URL that talks about doing it with Windows. |
| 16:13:40 | Paul_3135 | That will not work, as the PPP connection to the iPAQ will sever the peecee's connection to the net. |
| 16:13:56 | Paul_3135 | Makes no senso to do that, really. |
| 16:15:19 | Paul_3135 | What CF ethernet adapter is recommended? |
| 16:15:40 | nikos | Paul_3135: Any Ne2000 compatible should be fine. |
| 16:16:03 | nikos | Paul_3135: If you find one, you might want to run it by us before ordering. |
| 16:16:50 | hamoah | okay I'm back - I'm putting on the dneuer root image to see if this works |
| 16:17:02 | nikos | Cool |
| 16:17:25 | hamoah | paul - was it pretty straightforward for you? |
| 16:17:43 | Paul_3135 | Ack. Those CF Ethernet cards run $100+. :P |
| 16:17:52 | Paul_3135 | Yes, worked on the first try. |
| 16:18:11 | Paul_3135 | If I could afford one of those, I wouldn't have bought a 3135. |
| 16:18:20 | hamoah | cool - my only concern right now is that the partiton sizes are right |
| 16:18:21 | Paul_3135 | Back to rz-ing the packages. |
| 16:18:46 | nikos | Paul_3135: If you look harder I think they can be found for less. |
| 16:19:00 | Paul_3135 | Will they be in the sub-$50 range? |
| 16:19:34 | hamoah | are we talking standard or wireless ethernet? |
| 16:19:36 | nikos | Paul_3135: Possibly, you might try ebay or ubid. |
| 16:19:44 | nikos | hamoah: In CF, wired. |
| 16:20:03 | Paul_3135 | will hunt, but will stick to rz-ing for now. |
| 16:20:17 | nikos | Paul_3135: Then take great care with dependencies. |
| 16:20:23 | nikos | Paul_3135: Use the stable feed |
| 16:20:25 | jg | Paul_3135: If you are feeling poor, set up USB networking. From the comments I've seen, it seems to run pretty fast these days.... |
| 16:20:26 | | stable feed is at http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/stable/packages/armv4l |
| 16:20:26 | nikos | ibot: stable feed |
| 16:20:33 | hamoah | is downloading the new root using xmodem, don't complain :) |
| 16:20:37 | nikos | jg: He only has Windows desktop. |
| 16:20:46 | jg | oh... |
| 16:20:58 | Paul_3135 | OK, I want a GUI. Should I aim for task-x? |
| 16:21:13 | nikos | Paul_3135: Yes, but a task won't work for you. |
| 16:21:20 | hamoah | jg - by usb you mean usb cradle into an i386 linux? |
| 16:21:26 | nikos | Paul_3135: A task is nothing but dependencies, you will have to do it manually. |
| 16:21:34 | | usbnet is probably at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking |
| 16:21:34 | nikos | ibot: usbnet |
| 16:21:35 | jg | hamoah: yup. |
| 16:22:00 | nikos | <Aelhaz> if anyone needs compactflash adapters cheap, there are about 40 lexar pcmcia compactflash adapters on ebay closing in a few days, at $6, with $2 shipping for up to five units |
| 16:22:00 | nikos | <CosmicPenguin> Aelhaz: URL? |
| 16:22:06 | nikos | Paul_3135: I'm awaiting the URL. |
| 16:22:47 | Paul_3135 | OK, can I DL "task-x_0.0_arm.ipk" |
| 16:23:00 | cworth | Paul_3135: you might get some dependency help by copying the file `Packages' to either /usr/lib/ipkg/available or /usr/lib/ipkg/lists/root, (depending on how old/new your ipkg is). |
| 16:23:19 | nikos | Paul_3135: oops, I misread, I thought he said network adapter |
| 16:25:27 | nikos | Can someone test something for me? |
| 16:25:41 | nikos | Go to www.ubid.com, type compactflash ethernet into the quick search and hit "Go" |
| 16:26:23 | hamoah | nikos: I get an error |
| 16:26:41 | nikos | hamoah: Cool, me too. I was getting worried, I'm getting DB errors everywhere. |
| 16:26:59 | mowse | sjohnson: thanks for your assistance last night. the problem did end up being something obscure. a single control character inserted into my SITE_CONFIG file by my sanatizing engine was causing a problem, but it was nearly invisible until I went through it manually |
| 16:28:03 | hamoah | 's download is almost complete |
| 16:28:36 | nikos | I can't get dealtime.com to work either, argh |
| 16:28:43 | hamoah | shit! |
| 16:29:03 | hamoah | Paul - can I ask what your partitions look like? |
| 16:30:01 | Paul_3135 | I'll have to reboot to get that info. Hang on. |
| 16:30:06 | hamoah | thanks |
| 16:30:16 | nikos | Paul_3135: http://www.neticamall.com/pricewatch/P_605.htm |
| 16:30:17 | hamoah | It still doesn't work grrr.... |
| 16:31:54 | Paul_3135 | makes a note of the URL. "Thanks." |
| 16:32:25 | Paul_3135 | bootldr: 00000000 00020000 00000002 |
| 16:32:26 | nikos | Paul_3135: http://search-desc.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&pb=&ht=1&query=cio10t&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&srchdesc=y |
| 16:32:51 | Paul_3135 | params: 00020000 00020000 00000000 |
| 16:33:07 | Paul_3135 | kernel: 00040000 000c0000 00000000 |
| 16:33:27 | Paul_3135 | root: 00140000 00ec0000 00000018 |
| 16:33:56 | hamoah | paul, what command did you issue for the root partition? |
| 16:35:35 | Paul_3135 | "partiton define root 0x140000 0x0 24" |
| 16:35:59 | hamoah | everything else is intact |
| 16:36:02 | hamoah | oops |
| 16:36:04 | Paul_3135 | This is right off the URL: "http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/What%20is%20the%20current%20status%20of%20Linux%20on%20the%2031xx%20iPAQs" |
| 16:36:49 | hamoah | both |
| 16:38:50 | hamoah | will brb |
| 17:10:40 | Paul_3135 | Hmm. At boot I'm getting a "h3600_ts modprobe: Can't locate module h3600_ts" error. Any ideas? |
| 17:12:53 | nikos | Paul_3135: ls -l /lib/modules/*/kernel/drivers/char/h3600_ts |
| 17:14:09 | Paul_3135 | "no such file or directory" |
| 17:14:35 | nikos | jg_: Is that module also used on the mono ipaqs? |
| 17:16:40 | jg_ | nikos: I'd expect so.... |
| 17:17:26 | frenchy | hi there |
| 17:17:46 | Paul_3135 | I wander why it wasn't included in dneuer's images then.... |
| 17:17:52 | Paul_3135 | *wonder |
| 17:18:06 | nikos | Paul_3135: Good question, and one I'm afraid you will have to take up with dneuer. |
| 17:18:38 | frenchy | desperatly need some help on C development on the Familiar who can help ? |
| 17:18:43 | DragonEagle | is away: bbiab |
| 17:18:48 | nikos | frenchy: What's the question? |
| 17:19:19 | frenchy | it seems that there's a prob with byte alignement on the familiar |
| 17:20:14 | frenchy | if you compile have a struct with char[11] char (10 ] char and you do a sizeof that struct , you get 24 |
| 17:21:39 | nikos | frenchy: http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/Porting%20Software%20to%20ARM%20Linux |
| 17:21:50 | nikos | frenchy: 4 byte alignment |
| 17:21:51 | sjohnson | is back (gone 02:01:57) |
| 17:22:11 | sjohnson | mowse: Cool. That was a weird problem. |
| 17:22:40 | mowse | yeah, it was pretty odd. now I'm attempting to cross-compile prismdump, and arguing with _start errors |
| 17:23:19 | frenchy | thanks nikos i will have a look |
| 17:25:20 | frenchy | ok that means that i have to do ALOT of changes .... |
| 17:27:24 | frenchy | by the way am i the only french speaking guy around ? |
| 17:27:30 | hamoah | is back |
| 17:27:42 | hamoah | hey nikos, it still doesn't work |
| 17:27:47 | hamoah | :( |
| 17:28:10 | nikos | hamoah: What doesn't work. We have to have specifics. |
| 17:28:16 | hamoah | okay |
| 17:28:24 | hamoah | here's what I've done so far |
| 17:28:26 | nikos | frenchy: There are other French people around. Maybe not right now, but at times. |
| 17:28:39 | nikos | frenchy: BBrox in #handhelds.org is French. |
| 17:28:45 | frenchy | thanks again nikos |
| 17:28:46 | hamoah | 1. Setup the bootloader like dneuer specified in the wiki |
| 17:29:03 | nikos | hamoah: Just tell us what the error is. |
| 17:29:27 | hamoah | 2. set and saved the params as described on both the familiar install as well as on the wiki for the 31xx |
| 17:29:50 | hamoah | oh --- the last error I get is : |
| 17:30:08 | hamoah | JFFS2: Erase block at 0x00000000 ix no0 0ormatted. It will be erased |
| 17:30:08 | hamoah | Cowardly refusing to erase blocks on filesystem with no valid JFFS2 nodes |
| 17:30:10 | hamoah | Kernel panic: VFSn Unable to mount root fs on 1f:00 |
| 17:30:33 | nikos | hamoah: Get into the bootloader, give us the output of show (just the linuxargs line) and the output of 'partition show' |
| 17:31:03 | hamoah | noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock/3 init=/linuxrciconsole=ttySA0 mem=16M |
| 17:31:25 | hamoah | npartitions=00000004 |
| 17:31:25 | hamoah | bootldr |
| 17:31:25 | hamoah | base: 00000000 |
| 17:31:25 | hamoah | size: 00020000 |
| 17:31:25 | hamoah | flags: 00000002 |
| 17:31:26 | hamoah | params |
| 17:31:28 | hamoah | base: 00020000 |
| 17:31:30 | hamoah | size: 00020000 |
| 17:31:32 | hamoah | flags: 00000000 |
| 17:31:34 | hamoah | kerne0 |
| 17:31:36 | hamoah | base: 00040000 |
| 17:31:38 | hamoah | size: 000C0:00 |
| 17:31:40 | hamoah | flags: 00000000 |
| 17:31:42 | hamoah | root |
| 17:31:44 | hamoah | base: 00140000 |
| 17:31:46 | hamoah | size: 00EC0000 |
| 17:31:48 | hamoah | flags 00000018 |
| 17:32:05 | nikos | hamoah: That colon isn't really there is it? |
| 17:32:08 | hamoah | nikos: anything jump out |
| 17:32:12 | hamoah | which colon? |
| 17:32:19 | nikos | <hamoah> noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock/3 init=/linuxrciconsole=ttySA0 mem=16M |
| 17:32:22 | nikos | <hamoah> size: 000C0:00 |
| 17:32:29 | nikos | both of those look scrambled |
| 17:32:46 | hamoah | I'll type them instead of pasting |
| 17:33:30 | hamoah | linuxargs=noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock/3 init=/linuxrc console=ttySA0 mem=16M |
| 17:34:15 | hamoah | and that size line is from the kernel partition and it reads: size: 000c0000 |
| 17:34:30 | nikos | hamoah: You wasted some space there on your root partition. |
| 17:35:03 | nikos | hamoah: partition define root 0x100000 0xF00000 16 |
| 17:35:15 | nikos | hamoah: What bootloader are you using? |
| 17:35:31 | nikos | hamoah: I'm not sure the flag of 24 quite works right yet. |
| 17:36:22 | nikos | Paul_3135: I didn't notice it before, but you have lost space there as well. |
| 17:36:39 | hamoah | hmm.... I think 2.4.15? |
| 17:36:40 | nikos | hamoah: Also, I just posted md5sums, be sure to check yours. |
| 17:36:55 | hamoah | sorry - 2.14.15 |
| 17:37:12 | hamoah | md5sums for the b/w images? |
| 17:38:13 | nikos | handhelds# cat *.md5sum |
| 17:38:13 | nikos | c4acadc7e83071a5c38322b28bf8b637 task-bootstrap-defmods.jffs2 |
| 17:38:13 | nikos | 99fb5b2adcecb9aa6233803e6b3015ff zImage-2.4.7-rmk3-np1-hh2-mono1 |
| 17:38:15 | nikos | hamoah: Yes. |
| 17:38:20 | hamoah | cool |
| 17:38:23 | nikos | hamoah: You might also try backing off to 2.14.8 |
| 17:38:42 | hamoah | where can I get the md5 util for windows |
| 17:38:43 | hamoah | ? |
| 17:38:50 | | windows md5sum is probably http://www.etree.org/md5com.html or http://www.etree.org/software1.html or http://lists.debian.org/debian-italian-0103/msg00045.html |
| 17:38:50 | nikos | ibot: windows md5sum |
| 17:39:48 | DragonEagle | is back |
| 17:40:56 | hamoah | nikos: so basically I take those sums you posted and out them in a file called task.... .md5? |
| 17:41:33 | nikos | hamoah: Actually, if you look in dneuer's feed, there are two files to download there now. |
| 17:45:35 | hamoah | nikos - both root and kernel are correct |
| 17:45:44 | nikos | hamoah: I'm not wrong in assuming that you flashed your root image with http://handhelds.org/~dneuer/feed/task-bootstrap-defmods.jffs2 am I? |
| 17:45:49 | nikos | hamoah: That's good. |
| 17:46:19 | hamoah | yes - and I used the z-image-2.4.7.... from there as well |
| 17:46:27 | hamoah | that means that my images are correct no? |
| 17:46:40 | nikos | hamoah: It means you are reasonably safe yes. |
| 17:47:01 | hamoah | argggh!!! so what am I doing wrong :( |
| 17:47:11 | nikos | hamoah: Have you tried the 2.14.8 bootloader? |
| 17:47:28 | hamoah | no |
| 17:47:43 | hamoah | will it work with the mono ipaq? |
| 17:48:03 | nikos | hamoah: 2.14.8 is what dneuer is using, he has yet to try any later bootloader. |
| 17:48:18 | nikos | <dneuer> howards: I'm still using bootldr v 2.14.8 |
| 17:48:29 | hamoah | funny, his FAQ says try 2.14.15-bigkernel-mono |
| 17:48:57 | nikos | hamoah: That page is written by many people, not just dneuer. |
| 17:48:58 | hamoah | how do I revert to 2.14.8? |
| 17:49:03 | nikos | hamoah: load bootldr |
| 17:49:15 | hamoah | and then xmodem it down |
| 17:49:19 | nikos | hamoah: Be sure to ALWAYS check the md5sums of bootloaders. |
| 17:49:21 | nikos | hamoah: yes |
| 17:49:31 | debugger | which version folder under ipaq has that bootloader? |
| 17:49:43 | nikos | debugger: stable |
| 17:51:19 | hamoah | got it |
| 17:51:50 | hamoah | now I need a qflash to check that its okay right? |
| 17:52:54 | nikos | hamoah: no, the peek 0 and peek 0x20 |
| 17:53:11 | hamoah | oaky |
| 17:53:14 | nikos | 14.At this point, the new bootldr is installed in flash. You can spot check the bootldr installation before rebooting by executing the command |
| 17:53:14 | nikos | peek flash 0x0, which should print EA00008E. Also check peek flash 0x20, which should print 646C7462. If either of these prints |
| 17:53:17 | nikos | FFFFFFFF, then the bootldr is erased. Be very careful. Do not reset the unit. Do not power cycle it. Make sure it is plugged in. Reload the |
| 17:53:17 | nikos | bootldr. If there are any error messages email ipaq@handhelds.org or use IRC to connect to irc.openprojects.net channel #ipaq or |
| 17:53:17 | nikos | #handhelds.org for assistance. |
| 17:53:49 | hamoah | oops - I did a params save and it is hanging |
| 17:54:03 | nikos | hamoah: That may have been a mistake. |
| 17:54:07 | hamoah | fuck |
| 17:54:12 | hamoah | should I reboot? |
| 17:54:14 | nikos | hamoah: You really shouldn't do anything like that after writing a bootloader. |
| 17:54:20 | nikos | hamoah: Let's give it a minute. |
| 17:54:50 | nikos | hamoah: If it doesn't wake back up, resetting is the only choice you have. |
| 17:55:00 | hamoah | yeah I know |
| 17:55:24 | hamoah | it doesn't look like its waking up |
| 17:55:58 | hamoah | phew - reboot worked |
| 17:56:13 | hamoah | now I need to go through all of those processes again? |
| 17:56:20 | hamoah | setting up partitions, etc. |
| 17:56:31 | nikos | hamoah: Check them, but the params should not have changed. |
| 17:56:45 | nikos | hamoah: Reflashing won't hurt, but you might try it first. |
| 17:56:49 | hamoah | hey - you're right, they're all there |
| 17:57:25 | hamoah | okay |
| 17:57:33 | hamoah | is reflashing - will return soon |
| 17:57:40 | hamoah | thanks again for the help nikos |
| 17:57:57 | nikos | hamoah: Sure, wish I could provide more certain answers. |
| 18:02:39 | debugger | anyone using a framebuffer application instead of X11 on mono ipaq (h3100s) |
| 18:04:05 | nikos | debugger: I imagine the main thing is just accouting for 4 bits per pixel rather than 16 (12?). |
| 18:06:38 | debugger | was just curious about practical results :) |
| 18:14:12 | howards | nikos: I'm getting theunable to mount root errors with both 2.14.8 and 2.14.15 bootloaders |
| 18:14:38 | howards | I don't think that that is it |
| 18:14:54 | nikos | howards: OK, I'm just trying to come up with suggestions. |
| 18:20:52 | debugger | about bootloader 2.14.8 I only see the 0000 file in ipaq/stable and not the c000 file, is it not required? |
| 18:24:13 | howards | nikos: I cant get the flag of my root partition to be 00000018 |
| 18:24:16 | howards | any ideas |
| 18:24:24 | nikos | howards: Don't do it |
| 18:24:38 | nikos | howards: It's not necessary and may not work anyway, I'm not sure why dneuer chose that. |
| 18:24:40 | nikos | howards: use 16 |
| 18:24:53 | howards | debugger, I *think* you only need the c0000 for initial bootldr installs |
| 18:25:12 | nikos | debugger: howards is right, use ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/linux/dists/compaq/ipaq/development/bootldr-c000-2.14.14-bigkernel-mono |
| 18:25:25 | nikos | debugger: It's only loaded into RAM once and used. |
| 18:25:50 | howards | it's using 00000978? |
| 18:25:59 | nikos | howards: What? |
| 18:26:03 | howards | I cant get it to use anything else |
| 18:26:12 | nikos | howards: What command are you using? |
| 18:26:49 | nikos | howards: partition reset |
| 18:27:15 | nikos | howards: partition define root 0x100000 0xf00000 16 |
| 18:27:18 | howards | I'm going to get the exact thing I put in, one sec |
| 18:28:56 | howards | partition define root 0x100000 0x0 24 |
| 18:30:45 | nikos | howards: Use instead what a said above. |
| 18:30:53 | nikos | s/a/I/ |
| 18:31:32 | howards | that gives me a flag of 00000010 |
| 18:31:45 | nikos | Which is correct. |
| 18:31:53 | nikos | 16 is 0x10 |
| 18:32:11 | howards | oh, it's in hex |
| 18:33:07 | howards | (you guys need to redo the bootldr to do everything in the same base) |
| 18:33:26 | nikos | howards: You can do whatever base you like. |
| 18:33:32 | nikos | howards: All the output is in hex. |
| 18:33:46 | nikos | howards: The input is in whatever seems easiest to type. |
| 18:34:26 | nikos | howards: You are perfectly free to use hex or base 10 as you like. |
| 18:35:15 | hamoah | grrr.... |
| 18:35:19 | hamoah | still the same problem |
| 18:35:42 | debugger | hamoah: what is the same problem? |
| 18:36:51 | hamoah | JFFS2: Erase block at 0x00000000 is not formatted. It will be erased |
| 18:36:51 | hamoah | Cowardly refusinto erase blocks on filesystem with to valid JtFS2 nodes |
| 18:36:52 | hamoah | Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 1f:00 |
| 18:36:54 | howards | nikos: I'm not trying to give you a hard time but, how will it know the difference? let's say between a 10 in base 10 and a 10 in hex? |
| 18:37:03 | howards | I get that too hamoah! |
| 18:37:09 | hamoah | whenever I tried to boot, I've changed bootloaders, change the images |
| 18:37:17 | howards | it's driving me crazy |
| 18:37:18 | hamoah | howards - at least I'm not alone |
| 18:37:21 | nikos | howards: Specify hex with leading 0x |
| 18:37:42 | howards | nikos: ok |
| 18:38:02 | hamoah | howars what machine are you using? |
| 18:38:08 | howards | 3135 |
| 18:38:12 | hamoah | me too |
| 18:38:29 | hamoah | and you're using the new kernel/root images |
| 18:38:39 | hamoah | from handhelds.org/~dneuer/feed |
| 18:38:43 | howards | right, I've used the old ones also |
| 18:38:48 | howards | same results |
| 18:39:03 | hamoah | did you use the old ones first, and then the new ones? |
| 18:39:06 | howards | I even custom compiled a root filesystem |
| 18:39:07 | howards | yes |
| 18:39:33 | hamoah | imho - maybe trying the old ones f*cks it up? |
| 18:39:37 | howards | something is not right |
| 18:40:11 | howards | i don't think using the old ones can mess it up though |
| 18:42:21 | nikos | Yeah, that doesn't make sense, you overwrite the flash new, there is nothing left behind. |
| 18:57:42 | howards | I've got a boot! |
| 18:58:19 | howards | hamoah set root to /dev/mtdblock3 |
| 19:00:15 | debugger | congrats! :) |
| 19:00:39 | howards | thanks :) |
| 19:02:27 | debugger | how does it look? |
| 19:03:03 | nikos | aha, stupid me |
| 19:03:09 | nikos | I assumed that was a devfs kernel |
| 19:03:17 | nikos | hamoah: You catch that? |
| 19:03:19 | howards | debugger no X so it doesn't look like much |
| 19:04:03 | debugger | still see something? I assume you still on serial port to install X? |
| 19:04:27 | howards | yeah I've got a shell prompt |
| 19:05:04 | howards | I have to so what dneuer recomends for X |
| 19:05:19 | howards | I've got the mono one so stuff for it isn't mainstream yet |
| 19:06:21 | nikos | howards: The stuff from the stable feed should generally work on the 3100, including the X server |
| 19:06:24 | | stable feed is, like, at http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/stable/packages/armv4l |
| 19:06:24 | nikos | ibot: stable feed |
| 19:06:48 | nikos | howards: Does the Linux logo show up on the LCD? |
| 19:07:12 | howards | yes |
| 19:07:22 | nikos | howards: Cool |
| 19:07:45 | debugger | thanks nikos ;) |
| 19:07:53 | debugger | framebuffer rocks I guess |
| 19:11:16 | howards | nikos when I run ipkg I get a "cannot open /etc/ipkg.conf: no such file" |
| 19:12:04 | nikos | howards: ls -l /etc/ipkg* |
| 19:12:14 | nikos | howards: Have you setup networking? |
| 19:12:24 | howards | not yet |
| 19:13:00 | nikos | howards: You probably just need to copy /etc/ipkg.conf-dist to /etc/ipkg.conf and check it out. |
| 19:13:17 | howards | ok I'm following http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.4/install/H3600/install.html |
| 19:16:44 | nikos | Past the image flashing parts, that should be fine. |
| 19:16:52 | nikos | howards: But use the stable feed for your package source. |
| 19:18:40 | mowse | sjohnson: does your pre13 2.4.7 build of wlan-ng in the bleeding tree include the patch for "sniffing" ioctl's ? |
| 19:20:16 | sjohnson | mowse: No. It the stock source code from www.linux-wlan.org |
| 19:22:07 | mowse | would you mind rebuilding that ipk with the patch? |
| 19:24:10 | sjohnson | mowse: Sure. NP. But it will have to be tonight when I get home. We've got serioud 'Net problems at work. |
| 19:24:30 | mowse | alrighty. I'm working on doing it here, but I'm still struggling with the cross-compiling environment. |
| 19:24:59 | sjohnson | mowse: Where are the patches? |
| 19:25:15 | mowse | one sec, I'll throw em up on a url |
| 19:27:31 | mowse | sjohnson: https://mowse.ne.mediaone.net/mowse/projects/wlan-monitor.patch |
| 19:27:43 | mowse | sjohnson: that'll put monitor mode back into pre13 |
| 19:27:50 | sjohnson | Hey boodle! |
| 19:28:00 | boodle | sjohnson: howdy! |
| 19:28:12 | nikos | Hey boodle |
| 19:28:28 | boodle | nikos: Hiya |
| 19:28:32 | sjohnson | mowse: Ok. I'll download and compile it tonight. Say 4 hours from now. |
| 19:28:39 | nikos | boodle: Any plans for configurable prebuffers in scream? |
| 19:28:45 | nikos | boodle: for streaming I mean. |
| 19:28:51 | mowse | sjohnson: thanks. much appreciated. hopefully, I'll have wiretap and prismdump built by then |
| 19:29:00 | howards | nikos: is it possible to transfer packages to the ipaq through the serial cable? |
| 19:29:10 | nikos | howards: use zmodem, or setup ppp |
| 19:29:11 | howards | I don't have ethernet for it yet |
| 19:29:16 | | ppp is http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/PPPHowto |
| 19:29:16 | nikos | ibot: ppp |
| 19:29:21 | boodle | nikos: can do. Please e-mail all suggestions to me though.. my flash mem works well but my grey-mem a bit faulty ;) gberenfield@berenfield.com |
| 19:29:33 | howards | ok |
| 19:29:33 | nikos | boodle: Cool |
| 19:30:55 | boodle | nikos: If you 'see' edwardam, can you please tell him I need to chat with him |
| 19:32:27 | nikos | boodle: emuller@learningpatterns.com |
| 19:32:38 | boodle | nikos: Thanks |
| 19:32:47 | nikos | boodle: Amazingly he was here yesterday and earlier, but I wouldn't bet on him coming by soon. |
| 19:33:12 | boodle | nikos: ah well.. e-mail works. |
| 19:35:28 | sjohnson | is away: I'm busy. |
| 19:38:06 | nikos | boodle: The right email might convince him to stop by. ;) |
| 19:42:21 | boodle | nikos: May have just sent one :) |
| 19:49:53 | boodle | edwardam: Greetings! |
| 19:58:42 | mowse | heh. sometimes.. I perform an act so blatently retarded, that it surprises even myself. |
| 20:00:11 | hamoah | howards: did you get it working? |
| 20:00:15 | edwardam | mowse: what did you do? |
| 20:01:51 | howards | hamoah: yes i did |
| 20:02:01 | hamoah | how did you fix it? |
| 20:02:28 | mowse | edwardam: I've been struggling with the cross-compile linker, and I'm sitting here, debugging stuff, looking at obscure things...and totally neglect to feed library paths to the linker, since usually one would take that stuff for granted, as a given. |
| 20:02:39 | sjohnson | is back (gone 00:27:11) |
| 20:02:44 | howards | set linuxargs "noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock3 init=/linuxrc console=ttySA0" |
| 20:02:45 | mowse | edwardam: so one linker directive fixes the whole deal.. |
| 20:02:52 | edwardam | heh |
| 20:02:55 | mowse | <- slow. |
| 20:02:55 | howards | params save |
| 20:03:10 | howards | boot |
| 20:03:28 | edwardam | howards: Um wrong window |
| 20:03:31 | hamoah | howards - get rid of the mem=16m? |
| 20:03:37 | howards | yes |
| 20:03:57 | hamoah | and its mtdblock3 and not mtdblock/3 |
| 20:03:58 | hamoah | ? |
| 20:04:14 | howards | edwardam: I was giving hamoah what I typed to get it to boot |
| 20:04:16 | howards | yes |
| 20:04:36 | edwardam | howards: I figured that. Just poking |
| 20:04:42 | howards | :-) |
| 20:05:23 | hamoah | howards: do I need to reflash? |
| 20:05:29 | howards | now if I could just get X to start and handwriting recognition I'll be all set |
| 20:05:35 | howards | you don't need to reflash |
| 20:06:28 | howards | just got X to start! |
| 20:06:53 | nikos | Good job howards |
| 20:07:04 | nikos | hamoah: No, just change your linuxargs variable. |
| 20:10:20 | hamoah | howards - okay so what do I do next :) |
| 20:10:31 | hamoah | run ipkg_update? |
| 20:12:22 | howards | I ran ipkg install_pending |
| 20:12:57 | hamoah | what ipkg.conf did you use? |
| 20:13:10 | howards | I copied the one in /etc/ |
| 20:13:17 | howards | I forget what the name is |
| 20:13:22 | howards | cd /etc/ |
| 20:13:27 | howards | then do a ls |
| 20:13:46 | howards | it should be ipgk-something-something |
| 20:14:12 | hamoah | okay, what packages should be installed then? |
| 20:14:25 | howards | I'm not 100% sure |
| 20:14:38 | hamoah | okay - what about x? |
| 20:14:41 | howards | nikos suggested to take out of the stable tree |
| 20:14:52 | nikos | Yeah, don't touch the unstable feed right now. |
| 20:14:52 | howards | but dneuer suggests the unstable |
| 20:15:01 | nikos | And the v0.4 release stuff won't help you guys with 3100s |
| 20:15:20 | nikos | howards: The unstable feed is temporarily off-limits, a recent change. |
| 20:15:52 | nikos | howards: Most packages are fine, some are updated for v0.5 and could be potentially disastrous. |
| 20:16:04 | howards | PDATE, 30-AUG-2001, by Dave Neuer |
| 20:16:04 | howards | The handhelds.org kernel, cvs revision K2_4_7-rmk3-np1-hh2-mono1 now runs on the 31xx's using the new framebuffer driver. All familiar packages that I have tried with the exception of the blackbox window manager work on the mono iPAQs as |
| 20:16:05 | howards | well. X has fully incorporated support for the 31xx's (including the X Render and Rotate extension -- xrandr -- thanks very much to Keith Packard and Jim Gettys): get xserver-tiny-h3600_4.1-11_arm.ipk or later from the familiar unstable feed |
| 20:16:06 | howards | (earlier versions won't work). The Ion window manager from the familiar unstable feed is the one I'm using, with very satisfying results. |
| 20:16:35 | hamoah | howars is that the ipk you're using |
| 20:16:39 | nikos | howards: That info is weeks old. |
| 20:16:59 | nikos | howards: The stable feed has been updated with much of what was in unstable when that was written. |
| 20:17:00 | howards | I think it just got updated today |
| 20:18:06 | howards | the stuff about prebuild images is definately new |
| 20:18:18 | howards | err, prebuilt |
| 20:18:44 | hamoah | can i use ipkg to download and install x? |
| 20:19:08 | howards | not unless you have networking running |
| 20:19:35 | howards | what I did was switch my terminal emu program from xmodem to zmodem |
| 20:19:47 | howards | and then zmodemed the packages over |
| 20:19:49 | hamoah | okay, and then zmodem download the ipk |
| 20:19:54 | hamoah | where are the ipks |
| 20:20:24 | howards | they're on handheld.org's ftp server |
| 20:21:05 | hamoah | howars - found it, which ones do I want? |
| 20:21:44 | howards | I really don't know, I'm using the unstable, but nikos knows more than I and is really suggesting the opposite |
| 20:22:24 | hamoah | nikos: which ipks do I need? |
| 20:22:25 | nikos | howards: You may be safe today, but official email was sent out by a7r last week to stay away from the unstable feed, it could change at any time. |
| 20:22:49 | nikos | hamoah: That's up to you, look at the control file of the task-x package for a good set for X. |
| 20:23:07 | nikos | hamoah: I really recommend taking the time to setup networking. |
| 20:23:10 | a7r | nikos' warning is correct.. |
| 20:23:30 | a7r | if you want more recent packages than v0.4, track the stable feed. |
| 20:42:41 | howards | nikos, do you know which package has PDATE, 30-AUG-2001, by Dave Neuer |
| 20:42:41 | howards | The handhelds.org kernel, cvs revision K2_4_7-rmk3-np1-hh2-mono1 now runs on the 31xx's using the new framebuffer driver. All familiar packages that I have tried with the exception of the blackbox window manager work on the mono iPAQs as |
| 20:42:41 | howards | well. X has fully incorporated support for the 31xx's (including the X Render and Rotate extension -- xrandr -- thanks very much to Keith Packard and Jim Gettys): get xserver-tiny-h3600_4.1-11_arm.ipk or later from the familiar unstable feed |
| 20:42:48 | howards | oops |
| 20:43:06 | nikos | :) |
| 20:43:19 | howards | nikos do you know which package has libXft.so.1 |
| 20:43:53 | howards | I installed the xfonts, xlibs and xserver-tiny |
| 20:43:58 | nikos | howards: libcfg |
| 20:44:01 | nikos | ergh |
| 20:44:03 | nikos | howards: libxft |
| 20:45:13 | howards | oh, it's its own package |
| 20:45:25 | nikos | howards: We chop stuff up pretty finely. |
| 20:45:47 | Morn | I think I found a small problem |
| 20:46:08 | Morn | If you want to mount a CF module at boot time it looks for the file /sbin/ide_info |
| 20:46:18 | Morn | and not finding it fails to mount the module |
| 20:46:29 | nikos | Morn: Check again, I think that is an ignorable error. |
| 20:46:38 | nikos | Morn: That script is not necessary. |
| 20:46:45 | Morn | nikos: it never mounts the module |
| 20:46:55 | Morn | I have to do it by had after the system is up |
| 20:47:08 | nikos | Morn: Oh, yes, you're right. |
| 20:47:18 | nikos | Morn: No automount at this time, that's true. |
| 20:47:52 | nikos | Morn: Wait, you mean you have to modprobe or insmod by hand? Or just mount? |
| 20:47:54 | Morn | just adding it to fstab doesn't work... I had tried to put some system files on the CF module to make more room, it didn't work well. |
| 20:48:04 | Morn | nikos: just mount |
| 20:48:37 | nikos | Morn: Right, yes that's known. If you would like to work on it, that would be good. Feel free to check and make sure there's an entry in the GNATS database for that if you like. |
| 20:49:08 | Morn | I'll take a look at it. |
| 20:49:11 | edwardam | nikos: do you still need to modify the /linuxrc script? |
| 20:49:22 | nikos | edwardam: In what way? |
| 20:49:32 | edwardam | nikos: to mount the stuff at boot time |
| 20:49:40 | nikos | edwardam: Ah, probably so. |
| 20:49:51 | nikos | edwardam: That's what intimate does at least I believe. |
| 20:50:57 | sjohnson | Morn: To get the CF card to automount when inserted you need to edit the /etc/pcmcia/ide.opts file. Adn you need the ide_info program to make it work. |
| 20:51:22 | nikos | 's backup comes through. ;) |
| 20:51:33 | Morn | sjohnson: Ok, I was trying to have it mount at boot time |
| 20:51:47 | sjohnson | Morn: Same thing. |
| 20:52:35 | sjohnson | When cardmgr starts it will process all cards it find are there were just inserted. |
| 20:53:56 | Morn | Ok, thanks for the help. |
| 20:54:47 | sjohnson | just reminds himself of a request for familiar 0.5 that he forget. |
| 21:21:31 | edwardam | is away: I'm busy |
| 21:30:12 | munehiro | yup :) |
| 21:30:16 | munehiro | hi all |
| 21:30:45 | munehiro | i have some packages to submit... do you want them ? |
| 21:45:19 | gls | i noticed that the v0.5 directory |
| 21:45:27 | gls | has gone missing for a bit |
| 21:45:39 | gls | [prolly wise decision at ftp.handhelds.org] |
| 21:45:43 | a7r | it won't come back until right before v0.5 hits the shelves. |
| 21:45:49 | gls | sensible |
| 21:46:08 | gls | a7r: you mentioned early-testers in some mail earlier today |
| 21:46:20 | gls | i have a few ipaqen if you are still looking :) |
| 21:48:41 | gls | if it would help, then i do have some time |
| 21:49:16 | DragonEagle | is back |
| 21:56:21 | edwardam | is back (gone 00:34:50) |
| 22:00:06 | howards | I've got some X install questions. . . anyone want to help? |
| 22:04:55 | sjohnson | is away: headed home, may not be back. |
| 22:22:11 | sjohnson | is away: I've lost my mind, and I've gone to look for it... |
| 22:22:15 | sjohnson | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 22:30:26 | DragonEagle | is away: dinner |
| 22:50:17 | pattieja | is away: thunderstorm brewing |
| 22:59:02 | DragonEagle | is back |
| 23:23:13 | | dneuer was last seen on #handhelds.org 7 hours, 24 minutes and 40 seconds ago, saying: bye all [Thu Aug 30 16:58:33 2001] |
| 23:23:13 | bhimaji | ibot: seen dneuer |
| 23:23:42 | bhimaji | hmm. so 2.14.8 is the bootloader the instructions say to use. |
| 23:23:52 | bhimaji | any newer one, or is that reasonable? |
| 23:26:28 | bhimaji | ahh, there we go, 2.14.15 |