irclog2html for familiar on 2001.09.05

00:05:01hmmm... ssh-keygen is '"/usr/bin/ssh-keygen -b 1024 -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key -N ""' and '/usr/bin/ssh-keygen -d -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key -N ""'
00:05:01MoDibot: ssh-keygen
00:15:04lorien is, like, ftp://lorien.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/demo or the bleeding-edge demo site CRL runs
00:15:04MoDibot: lorien
00:34:15sgodsellis away: Have to play with familiy
01:13:53bhimawaves at echo
01:13:56bhimabounces.
01:14:03bhimahas 128MB of DRAM on his ipaq.
01:14:08echo_greets
01:14:21bhimadidn't pay $350 for it :)
01:14:26bhimait's a mono one.
01:14:33bhimanot sure how many mono ipaqs have that much.
01:14:38bhimait's probably really rare :)
01:19:39sgodsellis back (gone 00:45:24)
02:04:04DragonEagleis away: need food
02:04:25DragonEagleis back (gone 00:00:06)
03:34:04sgodsellis away: Have to play with familiy
03:48:23DragonEagleis away: later
04:26:01EGg0_robotsis away: I'm having sex with my (wife|girlfriend|dog)
05:31:13DragonEagleis back (gone 01:42:50)
06:41:01bernibhima: are you there?
07:18:08SleepingDragonis away: 'night
08:35:49MoDhelp
09:55:23SpinnerHi...
09:55:48Spinner... I now installed 'everything' ...
09:56:17Spinner... but if I start my ipaq I get a terminal filling out the screen and ...
09:56:43Spinner... when I start a secon program they share the screen ...
09:56:58Spinner... but I have no access to the background.
10:17:30Spinnerhow can I make an 'x' in fscrib ...
10:18:01Spinner... I guess it is too late for you?
10:20:18Spinner:-(
10:58:44echo_bbl from work
12:06:45glshi, cworth
12:06:52Spinnerhi all
12:21:25DragonEagleis back (gone 05:03:16)
12:29:27Spinneris away: Somewhere else...
13:01:33cworthhi gls.
13:26:49Spinneris back
13:26:52Spinneris away: Somewhere else...
13:46:18DragonEagleis away: time for school, bbiab
14:23:26nikosHi Mor
14:23:32nikoserr
14:23:36nikosHi Morn
14:23:49MornHello, it's a strange day
14:23:58nikosoh?
14:24:42MornOh, just me, I have such severe sunburn I can barely walk, my legs are seriously swollen
14:24:57nikosMorn: Ouch!
14:46:34dneuerhi all
14:48:38nikosHello dneuer
14:49:26dneuerwhat's up?
14:51:44nikosdneuer: I'm mostly lurking today, so I have no idea.
14:52:20dneuerjust thought he'd check to see if there was calm or chaos
14:52:28dneuerhas been a little out of touch
14:52:39nikosdneuer: No one has made a point to complain to me yet, so I guess it's calm.
14:53:06dneuernikos: seems like there are still problems w/ the resume code & touchscreen
14:53:07nikosdneuer: There was a lot of noise yesterday about the HP/Compaq merger.  That among other things caused me to decide to stay away from #handhelds.org for now.
14:53:15nikosdneuer: On 3100s?
14:53:36nikosdneuer: Is is my imagination, or does resume work for some people and not others?
14:54:14dneuernikos: on both, with bootldr 2.14.14-2.14.15; it appears to be a kernel problem though, judging by a email on the list from Dave P on 8/9
14:54:36dneuernikos: it does seem to affect only some people. Beats me
14:55:06dneuernikos: HP/Compaq merger? That is big news!
14:55:30nikosdneuer: Actually, I guess it's really HP buying Compaq.  You hadn't heard?
14:55:41dneuernikos: you don't work for Compaq, correct?
14:55:44nikosdneuer: NO
14:56:09nikosdneuer: The CRL guys don't seem to think anything will be changing on their end or with the ipaq anytime soon.
14:56:21dneuernikos: nope, news to me. Being laid off has it advantages and disadvantages ;-)
14:57:06dneuernikos: pros: sleep late, sleep late. cons: no work to avoid by reading slashdot ;-)
14:57:24nikosdneuer: :)
14:58:03DragonEagleis back (gone 01:11:44)
15:00:22edwardamnikos: no mention of the merger yet
15:00:44nikosedwardam: Hmm?
15:00:53edwardamnikos: on #handhelds
15:01:06nikosedwardam: Ah, this morning?  Has it been quiet?
15:01:34edwardamnikos: pretty much.
15:05:19dneuerthe tech cluelessness of the mainstream press never ceases to amaze me. The NYT article about the merger calls IA64 an "operating system".
15:10:09nikosdneuer: LOL
15:21:48dneuerbye
15:28:39nikosDamn, I think I'm getting DOSed on a Name Server I admin.
15:28:53edwardamnikos: ??
15:29:07nikosSep  6 11:22:01 bluegrass named[52]: sysquery: no addrs found for NS (ARROWROOT.ARIN.NET)
15:29:07nikosSep  6 11:22:01 bluegrass named[52]: sysquery: no addrs found for NS (BUCHU.ARIN.NET)
15:29:07nikosSep  6 11:22:01 bluegrass named[52]: sysquery: no addrs found for NS (CHIA.ARIN.NET)
15:29:10nikosSep  6 11:22:01 bluegrass named[52]: sysquery: no addrs found for NS (DILL.ARIN.NET)
15:29:17nikosThat kind of stuff OVER and OVER and OVER again.
15:29:40nikosOn the order of 10-20 queries per second.
15:29:41edwardamlook at the network traffic
15:29:50nikosIt has stopped right now.
15:33:28edwardamnikos: oops that was you. :-)
15:34:44mandrakenikos: maybe someone wrote a script to snarf stuff?
15:34:50nikoshmm?
15:35:03mandrakenikos: 10-20 / sec is not really enough to DoS you
15:35:16mandrakemaybe their local system doesn't cache anything
15:35:21nikosmandrake: It's the same alphabetical list of arin.net made up names, over and over, it does seem like a DOS attempt.
15:35:24mandrakeand they're running some sort of wget -r type script
15:35:44mandrakenikos: did it stop?
15:36:21nikosSeems to have for now.
15:36:32mandrake10-20 queries / sec is not going to be enough to DoS you unless you're on a 2400 modem connection to the net :)
15:38:42KeroBut a DoS from 2400 2400 modems will be annoying anyway.
15:39:42nikosmandrake: Didn't DOS my connection no, but it did significantly slow the name server in addition to the load it is already carrying.
15:40:42mandrake*shrug* I wouldn't think that would be that much additional load, really.  particularly since bind (which is likely what you're using) holds all the data in RAM anyways
15:40:49nikosmandrake: The thing is, this isn't the first indication we may have a problem.  We've been having problems with our T dropping for months.
15:40:50mandrakeso no disk reading
15:41:00nikosmandrake: It was really binding up syslogd.
15:41:10nikosmandrake: Because syslogd was writing all the failures to the logs.
15:41:40edwardamnikos: have you tracked where they were coming from?
15:41:51mandrakedoesn't syslogd do the 'last N messages repeated N times' thing to avoid that?
15:41:59nikosedwardam: I don't even know if anything is happening.
15:42:05edwardammandrake: not if the queries are all different
15:42:05nikosmandrake: Not in this case.
15:42:14nikosmandrake: Let me note, this is an OLD OLD slackware system.
15:42:33nikosmandrake: Yes, edwardam is right, the queries were different, repeated in a cycle.
15:42:55nikosmandrake: All in alphatical order, one name per letter, A-J
15:43:17mandrakeedwardam: I still thought that newer syslogs were able to condense multi-line dumps
15:43:24nikosSep  6 11:22:04 bluegrass named[52]: sysquery: no addrs found for NS (ARROWROOT.ARIN.NET)
15:43:24nikosSep  6 11:22:05 bluegrass named[52]: sysquery: no addrs found for NS (BUCHU.ARIN.NET)
15:43:24nikosSep  6 11:22:05 bluegrass named[52]: sysquery: no addrs found for NS (CHIA.ARIN.NET)
15:43:26nikosSep  6 11:22:05 bluegrass named[52]: sysquery: no addrs found for NS (DILL.ARIN.NET)
15:43:26nikosSep  6 11:22:05 bluegrass named[52]: sysquery: no addrs found for NS (EPAZOTE.ARIN.NET)
15:43:26nikosSep  6 11:22:05 bluegrass named[52]: sysquery: no addrs found for NS (FIGWORT.ARIN.NET)
15:43:28nikosSep  6 11:22:05 bluegrass named[52]: sysquery: no addrs found for NS (GINSENG.ARIN.NET)
15:43:28nikosSep  6 11:22:05 bluegrass named[52]: sysquery: no addrs found for NS (HENNA.ARIN.NET)
15:43:30nikosSep  6 11:22:05 bluegrass named[52]: sysquery: no addrs found for NS (INDIGO.ARIN.NET)
15:43:31nikosSep  6 11:22:05 bluegrass named[52]: sysquery: no addrs found for NS (JERK.ARIN.NET)
15:43:52mandrakenikos: are you running tcplog?
15:43:58mandrakejust filter out their addresses at your router
15:44:31mandrakeno systems should be running without tcplog/icmplog/udplog :)
15:44:39nikosmandrake: Let me note, this is not my stuff.  It's a customer of mine with OLD OLD equipment and no budget.
15:45:33edwardamnikos: install the proper tcp tracking utilities (of your choice) and filter out the addresses. Even if you have to use ipchains/table/etc to do it.
15:45:57nikosedwardam: I'm afraid it's not that simple.
15:46:04edwardamnikos: ??
15:46:08nikosLet's just drop if for now.  If I get more information I'll let you know.
15:46:15edwardamnikos: okies.
15:46:16edwardamJTTH
15:46:24nikosedwardam: I have ZERO time, they can't afford to pay  me, they can't afford hardware, etc, etc.
15:46:35edwardamnikos: ah... okay...
15:46:42edwardamnikos: been there... done that...
15:51:35nikosThanks for all the suggestions
15:52:26edwardamnikos: NP. How is that project you showed me going?
15:52:31debuggersorry but can i get some enlightentment about the topic?
15:52:58nikosedwardam: I'm working out the language part of it right now.  I've had way to many distractions lately though.
15:53:00edwardamdebugger: the /TOPIC or the conversation
15:53:20debuggerconversation
15:53:20nikosdebugger: You mean the right topic for this channel or the topic of our OT conversation? ;)
15:53:30edwardamnikos: same here. Windows 2k ate a hd on a laptop yesterday. I'm still re-building. :-(
15:53:33nikosdebugger: I seemed to be getting some sort of DOS at a customer of mine.
15:54:06debuggeryuck
15:54:30debuggerI can stand DoS but not DOS
15:54:49nikoshe
15:54:50nikosheh
16:09:26telosiananyone know the best place to pickup a set of jffs2 tools?
16:09:56try http://linux-mtd.infradead.org/
16:09:56nikosibot: mtd
16:10:06nikostelosian: They are in CVS discussed there.
16:10:48telosiancool, thx
16:15:04nikosUPDATE: It looks like those may very wel be valid servers.  Possibly related to reverse address lookup?  Perhaps the entries in my log were simply a flake out of the server and not the result of a DoS.
16:15:56nikosThat would also explain while killing and restarted named and syslogd would end the problem.
16:16:01nikoss/while/why/
16:16:19debuggeranywhere to find jffs2 binaries
16:16:33nikosdebugger: Binaries of what?
16:18:38debuggeri found mkjffs2.x86 works
16:18:40debuggerthanks
16:18:43nikosk
16:18:57debuggercan a jffs2 mounted on x86 desktop?
16:20:28nikosdebugger: http://www.handhelds.org/pipermail/linux/2001-August/001335.html
16:20:34nikosibot: search for jffs2
16:21:45OK, nikos.
16:21:45nikosibot: jffs2 loopback is <reply> Read http://www.handhelds.org/pipermail/linux/2001-August/001335.html
16:21:53OK, nikos.
16:21:53nikosibot: jffs2 mount is <reply> Read http://www.handhelds.org/pipermail/linux/2001-August/001335.html
16:24:44telosiannew troubles....    I open "/dev/kmem" and mmap (320x240x2) bytes from my framebuffer (0xec400000) in userspace, but I get an error:
16:24:54telosianUnhandled fault: external abort on non-linefetch (A) at 0x40166000
16:24:55telosianpgd = c0d74000
16:24:55telosian*pgd = c0bc5001, *pmd = c0bc5001, *pte = ec400033, *ppte = ec400aa2
16:25:24telosiani get the error when I try to read or write, (not before)
16:25:46telosianand why is the table entry (map+33)?
16:26:13telosian(or ppte map+aa2 ?)
16:26:41telosianany clues?
16:28:02telosianwhere would be a good place to ask arm-user-level questions?
16:28:23nikostelosian: ARM assembly?  Not kernel related?
16:30:03nikostelosian: If you are talking about the above.  I would guess the arm-linux mailing list would be OK.
16:30:10nikoss/.  /, /
16:30:19telosianwell, my frame buffer driver can talk to 0xec400000 just fine, but I've disabled it, and I am trying an experiment to get to a known good device from userland...
16:31:10nikostelosian: What platform?
16:31:36telosianI'm running familiar on an embedded system.
16:32:08telosianI should re-name it to "somewhat-familiar"
16:32:11nikostelosian: Maybe sa1100-linux then, if it is a sa1100 or descendant.
16:32:31telosianyup, I'll try them,   thx
21:26:40mpakulasays CU tomorrow
21:28:23a7rmpakula: the instructions are going to be worked on tonight.. I'm not sure about sound fixes..
21:33:44alefgrep /etc/pop
21:53:30glsanyone local working on the bootloader ?
21:53:53glsi saw some mail [recently] about an internal-CRL bootloader
21:54:11glsthat booted off jffs2 && required more testing
21:54:16glsbefore they loosed it on the world
21:55:34glsand am curious as to its status
21:55:46gls[supposed to help install a bunch of ipaqen next week]
22:00:28edwardamgls: I think it will be in Fam .5 ... and a pre-release of that should be any day now ... But don't quote me on that
22:00:47a7ryeah.. pre-release tomorrow morning.
22:00:50a7rbased on the new bootloader.
22:00:52glsjust seems like it would save much time,
22:01:06gls[feels like christmas]
22:01:34glsa7r: you couldn't have said anything to make my day any better && thx
22:01:36a7rand the new kernel..
22:01:42a7rgls: cool.
22:02:33EGg0_robotsa7r: New bootldr?
22:02:58a7rEGg0_robots: yup.. it begins public testing tomorrow.
22:03:46EGg0_robotsa7r: I'm excited and terrified at the same time :) I sweated bullets the first time I loaded one.
22:04:12a7rEGg0_robots: yeah.. you should probably stick with v0.4 and one of the 2.14.x series, until the new stuff is checked out.
22:06:12EGg0_robotsdefinitely... I heard about poor DragonEagle's brick.
22:06:44mandrake was last seen on #handhelds.org 6 hours, 4 minutes and 16 seconds ago, saying: I was talking about the disk image [Wed Sep  5 17:02:28 2001]
22:06:44EGg0_robotsibot seen mandrake
22:07:16alefibon seen alef
22:07:21alef was last seen on #familiar 0 seconds ago, saying: ibot seen alef [Wed Sep  5 23:07:21 2001]
22:07:21alefibot seen alef
22:07:32alef:-)
22:12:17edwardama7r: what glibc will fam .5 have?
22:12:45a7rflips a coin.
22:12:49edwardamheh
22:12:54edwardamheads!
22:19:50edwardamis away: upgrading phone system
22:20:18DragonEagleis back (gone 01:14:51)
22:20:56a7ris away: bbl
22:33:23EGg0_robotsis away: Okay, I'm finally going to write a <shudder> wiki.
23:02:53EGg0_robotsis back (gone 00:29:29)
23:03:48EGg0_robotsCan someone with an unaltered familiar install tell me what the number of /etc/rc2.d/S(xx)pcmcia is?
23:21:30edwardamis back (gone 01:01:41)
23:32:42sgodsellis back (gone 02:21:51)

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