| 00:35:28 | sgodsell | is back (gone 00:37:21) |
| 00:38:09 | sgodsell | is away: Have to go! bbiaw |
| 01:44:52 | sgodsell | is back (gone 01:06:43) |
| 03:12:06 | edwardamZzZzZz | is away: Gotta Go, gotta go.... |
| 03:33:51 | sgodsell | is away: I need sleep ZzzzZZzzzzzzZZZzzzzZ |
| 03:55:00 | aspect | hullo |
| 03:56:30 | aspect | is beginning to suspect his dual sleeve of brokenness |
| 05:14:18 | howesp | howdy; how do you set the date? |
| 05:22:33 | howesp | help !!!! |
| 08:21:52 | DragonEagle | is away: night |
| 08:23:49 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 00:01:54) |
| 08:50:29 | DragonEagle | is away: good night |
| 09:19:41 | mpakula | hi anybody not sleeping ? |
| 09:37:11 | MoD | Spinner: do you speak German |
| 09:49:21 | Spinner | MoD:Yes sure... (ist das nicht ziemlich offensichtlich? ;-) |
| 09:54:53 | MoD | Spinner: in der schweiz spricht man franz itlalienisch und deutsch nur anhad deines pseudo es zu wissen ist nicht schwer |
| 09:55:39 | MoD | Spinner: aber einer aus dem Franz schweiz dies doch in der schule gelernt haben zwar unwahrscheinlisch aber möglich oder? |
| 09:56:42 | Spinner | MoD: Natürlich, es gibt einig franz.-sprech. Schweizer, die sehr gut Deutsch können... |
| 09:57:21 | mpakula | Gentlemen please kein deutch heute |
| 09:57:54 | Spinner | MoD: Abgesehen davon hat das pseudo auch ne englische bedeutung |
| 09:58:14 | Spinner | Sorry, Mpakula I did not want to be inpolite... |
| 09:58:33 | MoD | mpakula: ok please don't take it personal just to ask which language someones best |
| 09:58:53 | MoD | Spinner: what do you use as WM |
| 09:59:16 | mpakula | Spinner: i don't mind since I do speak german but this is channel for familiar ppl and english is the language here ;o))) |
| 09:59:25 | Spinner | MoD: WM == Window Manager? |
| 10:00:14 | Spinner | sure mpakula, I do not mind to type english... |
| 10:00:29 | Spinner | ... as long as you do not mind my typos. ;-) |
| 10:01:02 | mpakula | Spinner: want to bet who makes more of those ?? he he he |
| 10:01:31 | MoD | Spinner: yes |
| 10:02:16 | Spinner | mpakula: as long as we understand each other, it does not matter, does it? |
| 10:02:56 | Spinner | MoD: KDE2, why? |
| 10:03:31 | MoD | Spinner: not on your host or is it intimate |
| 10:04:26 | Spinner | MoD: Sorry, this was probably a missunderstanding... |
| 10:04:46 | Spinner | MoD: ... you mean what WM I use on the iPAQ? |
| 10:05:37 | Spinner | MoD: Right now, I am playing with it, looking for the enviroment I'd like to use... |
| 10:06:23 | Spinner | MoD: ... my current installation does only contain qpe from troll... |
| 10:06:48 | Spinner | MoD: ... but I'd like to combine qpe and blackbox (or so)... |
| 10:08:32 | Spinner | MoD: ... intimate probably would match my needs best. |
| 10:09:05 | mpakula | Spinner/MoD: I hope there will be one common GUI for familiar distr. Blackbox is cool but gtk-menu is common in apps. |
| 10:11:01 | MoD | mpakula: do you fundamental knowledge of blackbox? |
| 10:11:14 | Spinner | mpakula: itegrate qpe and blackbox? is anyone doing it? |
| 10:11:51 | Spinner | MoD: what WM do you use? |
| 10:12:14 | mpakula | MoD: not really just playing with menus, wallpaper ect. but i guess jg is the one to ask about GUI eventually |
| 10:12:16 | MoD | Spinner: blackbox |
| 10:12:50 | MoD | mpakula: tell me how to to play with blackbox-menu |
| 10:13:46 | Spinner | MoD: do you have any useable todo-list, adress-book and date-book? |
| 10:14:28 | Spinner | I bought the ipaq to organise my live... |
| 10:14:46 | Spinner | ... and now I allready started playing with it... ;-( |
| 10:15:00 | mpakula | MoD: just go to /etc/X11/blackbox/ and start editing blackbox-menu and if you want mine just give me you email and i will send you mine when i get to my windoze box where i store it |
| 10:15:27 | MoD | Spinner: at this moment i'm starting with blackbox |
| 10:15:45 | MoD | mpakula: Master_od@web.de |
| 10:16:09 | MoD | can't you send it via dcc post it in an query |
| 10:17:33 | Spinner | BTW: I get from time to time the message >You have new mail< from IRC, but I could not yet access this mail (neighter local nor remote)... |
| 10:17:45 | Spinner | ...any ideas? |
| 10:18:36 | mpakula | MoD: i played with kernel lately and lost blackbox but i always keep copy on windoze box anyway i will send it in the evening |
| 10:18:58 | MoD | mpakula: thank you |
| 10:19:31 | Spinner | mpakula: how do you make the copies? as fs image or just as tar (or so)? |
| 10:20:24 | mpakula | fs image |
| 10:21:25 | Spinner | mpakula: HOW DO YOU DO IT? I tried to do a image with dd but just filled my ramfs... |
| 10:22:06 | mpakula | worked for me :o? 2.4.7 |
| 10:22:12 | mpakula | oops help |
| 10:22:15 | mpakula | mount -t jffs2 /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda |
| 10:22:15 | mpakula | hda: 31360 sectors (16 MB) w/1KiB Cache, CHS=490/2/32 |
| 10:22:15 | mpakula | Partition check: |
| 10:22:15 | mpakula | /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 |
| 10:22:15 | mpakula | /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 |
| 10:22:15 | mpakula | /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 |
| 10:22:17 | mpakula | mount: wr /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0:ong fs type, bad opti p1on, bad s |
| 10:22:20 | mpakula | uperblock on /dev/hda1, |
| 10:22:22 | mpakula | or too many mounted file systems |
| 10:22:23 | mpakula | # df |
| 10:22:25 | mpakula | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 10:22:27 | mpakula | /dev/mtdblock/3 15104 12084 3020 81% / |
| 10:24:04 | mpakula | can't mount jffs2 ? |
| 10:24:40 | Spinner | bash-2.03# df |
| 10:24:40 | Spinner | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 10:24:40 | Spinner | ramfs 15464 284 15180 2% /mnt/ramfs |
| 10:24:42 | Spinner | bash-2.03# cat /proc/mounts |
| 10:24:43 | Spinner | proc /proc proc rw 0 0 |
| 10:24:43 | Spinner | ramfs /mnt/ramfs ramfs rw 0 0 |
| 10:24:43 | Spinner | devpts /dev/pts devpts rw 0 0 |
| 10:24:52 | Spinner | yes I can... |
| 10:25:11 | Spinner | ... but I filled the ramfs! |
| 10:28:00 | mpakula | ok ppl i need HELP !!! |
| 10:28:50 | Spinner | MoD: ? |
| 10:29:03 | mpakula | I got cf mem how do i format it to some resonable fs and mount it |
| 10:32:32 | Spinner | MoD: I'd like to have a hint. |
| 10:37:52 | EGg0 | mpakula: what kind of card |
| 10:38:58 | mpakula | EGg0: 16 MB that i riped off my digital camera ( canon ) |
| 10:39:47 | EGg0 | Okay, I'd suggest formatting as an ext2 filesystem, do you have the ext2 modules for your kernel. |
| 10:40:39 | mpakula | EGg0: just now running ipkg update and upgrade I'll let you know in few min. |
| 10:40:45 | EGg0 | And is this in a PCMCIA or CF sleeve. |
| 10:41:40 | mpakula | EGg0: PCMCIA double sleeve with cf - pcmcia adapter |
| 10:42:50 | EGg0 | Is PCMCIA running? cardctl? |
| 10:43:19 | EGg0 | I think that's PCMCIA-cs and pcmcia-modules. |
| 10:44:42 | mpakula | EGg0: you're correct |
| 10:45:09 | EGg0 | what does /etc/pcmcia/ide.opts read? |
| 11:02:56 | EGg0 | Does anyone have any really cool blackbox/ion setups (like mandrake?) |
| 11:38:41 | EGg0 | Can I forward x from my iPAQ to my laptop via ssh? |
| 11:39:29 | | EGg0: huh? |
| 11:39:29 | EGg0 | ibot whereis usbnet |
| 11:39:34 | | usbnet is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking |
| 11:39:34 | EGg0 | ibot usbnet |
| 12:13:47 | mpakula | cworht: morning, the vic that you packaged in pikpak shows as two vic packages, why ? |
| 12:15:40 | cworth | mpakula: hello. if pikpak shows 2 then there are probably two vics, (I know jamey has been playing with is) |
| 12:16:15 | cworth | mpakula: BTW, Familiar's automated menu system works with blackbox menus too, (not just gtk-menu). |
| 12:16:35 | cworth | mpakula: so you really should never need to modify /etc/X11/blacbox-menu directly. |
| 12:18:32 | mpakula | cworth: after having ion i have two menus blackbox one and gtk-nemu |
| 12:20:05 | mpakula | HELP i can't get my cf memory card working :o((( |
| 12:24:46 | mpakula | f disk shows Disk /dev/hda: 2 heads, 32 sectors, 490 cylinders |
| 12:24:46 | mpakula | Units = cylinders of 64 * 512 bytes |
| 12:24:46 | mpakula | Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System |
| 12:24:46 | mpakula | /dev/hda1 * 1 489 15632 1 FAT12 |
| 12:25:53 | mpakula | then i delete a partition and put new primary |
| 12:27:13 | mpakula | and nothing happens :o((( |
| 12:27:18 | mpakula | anybody ??? |
| 12:33:14 | mpakula | nikos: morning |
| 12:33:30 | nikos | Morning mpakula |
| 12:33:45 | mpakula | nikos: what is the status of 0.5 ? |
| 12:36:59 | mpakula | nikos: is it ready to be loaded |
| 12:38:57 | nikos | mpakula: Subscribe to the Familiar mailing list. Then you will know just as soon as I do since a7r will announce to the mailing list. |
| 12:51:56 | pattieja | morning all |
| 12:56:59 | pattieja | could someone tell me whether the iPAQ has specialty hardware that allows the USB->Ethernet->USB connection that I established yesterday? or whether it's also possible to do the same thing with every USB port on any motherboard out there? |
| 12:58:09 | bipolar | pattieja: the usbnet module on the host can be used on any computer. The usb-eth module used on the ipaq is special. |
| 12:58:20 | pattieja | ahh |
| 12:58:21 | pattieja | ok |
| 12:58:41 | pattieja | so then would it take an explicit "port" to the USB chipset in use on the motherboard? |
| 12:58:57 | pattieja | or is there an actual embedded Ethernet device in the USB infrastructure of the iPAQ? |
| 12:59:22 | pattieja | I'm just thinking about the Audrey I bought |
| 13:00:43 | nikos | pattieja: Talk to green on #handhelds.org, he is the author. |
| 13:01:13 | pattieja | ok |
| 13:01:15 | pattieja | thanks |
| 13:25:53 | aspect | ping! |
| 13:26:17 | MoD | aspect: do you know bbplay |
| 13:27:30 | aspect | unfortunately no; I'm holdig off reflashing until I can boot via cyace with dual sleeve support |
| 13:27:38 | aspect | 2.4.4-rmk3-np1 is giving me crap atm |
| 13:37:54 | | MoD: excuse me? |
| 13:37:54 | MoD | ibot: ffmpeg |
| 13:50:05 | mpakula | jg what is the line that i should add to /etc/modes for the sound modules ? |
| 13:51:21 | nikos | MoD: You do realize that bbplay only plays opendivx videos right? |
| 13:52:25 | MoD | nikos: can you send me an example maybe a little trailer |
| 13:52:51 | nikos | MoD: I don't have one, but if you look at the bottom of the bbplay page, you will see a link to an example. |
| 13:53:23 | | See http://bbrox.org/iPAQ/BBPlay/ |
| 13:53:23 | MoD | ibot: bbplay |
| 13:54:06 | | It's great to be back. I missed this place! |
| 13:54:06 | nikos | ibot: wb |
| 13:54:15 | | thanks nikos :) |
| 13:54:15 | nikos | ibot: Have a botsnack |
| 14:01:51 | nikos | Morning edwardam |
| 14:02:03 | edwardam | morning |
| 14:14:34 | MoD | EGg0: do you use bbplay |
| 14:14:40 | MoD | EGg0: hello |
| 14:14:55 | EGg0 | MoD: No, what is it? |
| 14:15:18 | MoD | got an error when i want to start bbplay? |
| 14:15:24 | MoD | Audio not supported |
| 14:16:39 | EGg0 | I can't help you. I don't even have it installed. |
| 14:16:53 | EGg0 | Maybe I'll install it and give it a try. |
| 14:17:03 | EGg0 | Sound works otherwise though huh? |
| 14:17:05 | nikos | MoD: I can't play either of the two small examples from projectmayo either. We will have to wait for BBrox. |
| 14:17:41 | MoD | BBrox is at #handhelds.org |
| 14:20:05 | EGg0 | Where's Scream? The wiki just lists it, and it's not in my package folder. |
| 14:20:08 | | i heard scream was an mp3 front end that was formerly known as pypaq.mp3 and pypaq. Available at http://handhelds.org/~gberenfield/ |
| 14:20:08 | EGg0 | ibot scream |
| 14:20:20 | EGg0 | forgot that ibot was back |
| 14:29:28 | MoD | nikos: howto edit fscrib |
| 14:30:07 | nikos | MoD: You can't. fscrib is not configurable, use xstroke if you want to configure your strokes. |
| 14:31:25 | MoD | nikos: i have install fscrib but when i hit the keyboard no keyboard appears |
| 14:32:55 | nikos | MoD: You are misunderstanding. |
| 14:33:00 | nikos | ibot: search for fscrib |
| 14:33:38 | | OK, nikos. |
| 14:33:38 | nikos | ibot: fscrib docs is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/HowToUseFscrib |
| 14:33:47 | nikos | MoD: Read that page |
| 14:34:21 | MoD | nikos: thank you |
| 14:36:01 | nikos | Well, resetting freed up some flash space at least. |
| 14:36:15 | nikos | c'est la vie |
| 14:36:45 | | xstroke is ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/projects/xstroke/ |
| 14:36:45 | MoD | ibot: xstroke |
| 14:39:27 | mpakula | starts his weekend enjoy your guys :o))) |
| 14:44:28 | MoD | nikos: why i can't remove serial modules nothing happens no error nothing |
| 14:45:35 | nikos | MoD: I don't understand what you are saying. Why would you want to remove the serial kernel modules? |
| 14:46:56 | | dneuer feed is http://handhelds.org/~dneuer/feed/ |
| 14:46:56 | debugger | ibot: dneuer feed |
| 14:46:59 | MoD | nikos: sorry for my bad english |
| 14:48:18 | MoD | nikos: yesterday i installed via ipkg serial modules in the case of nesesary for an pcmcia modem card |
| 14:48:47 | MoD | nikos: but that was wrong so i want to clean it from my ipaq |
| 14:48:55 | nikos | MoD: Can you tell me exactly what URL you installed? |
| 14:49:07 | nikos | MoD: The ipkg name and the feed you got it from I mean. |
| 14:50:52 | MoD | nikos: i try to fix it with ipkg remove serial-modules-2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs_hh2_arm.ipk |
| 14:52:18 | cworth | MoD: you don't want the ".ipk" there. |
| 14:53:03 | cworth | MoD: that said, I'm not sure how essential these modules may or may not be. |
| 14:53:18 | MoD | cworth: wantto remove this modules |
| 14:54:09 | nikos | Sounds pretty essential to me. |
| 14:57:04 | MoD | nikos: what do you mean |
| 14:58:14 | nikos | MoD: I mean that those modules are necessary if you use serial in any way (for example the serial console). I don't believe you want to remove those. |
| 14:59:38 | Xag_ | Hello |
| 15:00:07 | MoD | nikos: you are the boss |
| 15:01:13 | nikos | MoD: No, but I just wanted to warn you. |
| 15:01:15 | nikos | Hi Xag_ |
| 15:15:34 | DragonEagle | is away: need food |
| 15:15:51 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 15:20:30 | edwardam | nikos: Since your the boss, can I get a raise? |
| 15:21:32 | nikos | edwardam: Sure, you can have a 30% raise on your zero salary. |
| 15:21:51 | edwardam | dances around room celebrating his good fortune |
| 15:22:13 | edwardam | is away: bbi10 |
| 15:22:50 | DragonEagle | reminds edwardam that 0+(0*0.30)=0 |
| 15:34:04 | mallum | cworth: you there ? |
| 15:35:03 | cworth | mallum: indeed |
| 15:35:28 | mallum | cworth: excellent, quick Xlib question for you.... |
| 15:35:51 | cworth | mallum: shoot |
| 15:37:05 | mallum | cworth: Im testing out the new xkbd resizing code. when I run it after a make, everything displays fine ( just rectangles and fonts at the mo ) , when I rerun it nothing is displayed, just a blank window. However if I there recompile it then diplays ok |
| 15:37:45 | cworth | mallum: is it all in CVS? I can take a look. |
| 15:38:20 | mallum | cworth: no not in cvs as yet - this resize code is seperate at the moment |
| 15:38:27 | mallum | cworth: im just testing stuff |
| 15:38:49 | mallum | cworth: Im guessing it becuase Im not freeing something up |
| 15:40:01 | jmitch1 | Morning.. |
| 15:40:10 | DragonEagle | morning jmitchl |
| 15:45:45 | edwardam | is back (gone 00:23:32) |
| 15:49:18 | sgodsell | is back (gone 12:15:26) |
| 15:52:39 | jmitch1 | Welp, the request to my wife for a ipaq did not fly.. :-( Oh well.. |
| 16:00:44 | edwardam | thinks jmitch1 needs to make a toyfund for himself |
| 16:01:24 | jmitch1 | edwardam: I have one! It is just not healthy enough right now to buy a full ipaq. |
| 16:01:35 | edwardam | ahh |
| 16:03:10 | EGg0 | is away: Eek! I'm late for a meeting! |
| 16:14:18 | pattieja | Thanks for all the help yesterday jmitch1 |
| 16:14:36 | jmitch1 | Sure.. Things still working? |
| 16:14:51 | pattieja | let me check... |
| 16:15:22 | pattieja | yep |
| 16:15:24 | pattieja | :) |
| 16:16:05 | pattieja | I wanted to get xstroke and xkbd back into the iPAQ (I had to reinstall Familiar 0.4 after an attempt to make my own kernel didn't work) |
| 16:16:20 | pattieja | but I don't remember what to do to point ipkg at the unstable source tree |
| 16:16:37 | nikos | jmitch1: You could get a mono model for less than $200. |
| 16:16:51 | nikos | pattieja: Number one, don't use unstable right now. Use stable. |
| 16:16:54 | | somebody said stable feed was at http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/stable/packages/armv4l |
| 16:16:54 | nikos | ibot: stable feed |
| 16:17:02 | pattieja | I heard someone say the H3670 was being discontinued? Is there any merit to that? |
| 16:17:02 | nikos | pattieja: edit /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 16:18:04 | sjohnson | pattieja: That was me. I talked to a manager at a local CompUSA about why the 3670 and 3650 were the same price. |
| 16:18:12 | pattieja | and? |
| 16:18:32 | sjohnson | pattieja: The CompaUSA guy said that Compaq has discontinued it and dropped the priced. |
| 16:18:51 | pattieja | whatever would they do that for? It's a better model than the 3650, right? |
| 16:19:25 | nikos | sjohnson: The guys here at a local Best Buy have told me all sorts of weird things, claiming nearly a year ago that the entire iPAQ line was being discontinued. I'm not sure how much stock to put into anything retailers have to say. |
| 16:20:28 | sjohnson | I don't give it much crendence, but it's stange that the prices of both modules is the same. (at CompUSA) |
| 16:20:53 | pattieja | hmm. They're $50 different on Compaq's online store site. |
| 16:21:42 | sjohnson | I ordered a 3670 and got a PCMCIA sleeve additional for free. |
| 16:23:47 | jmitch1 | nikos: I know I could get a mono model, but it comes with so little RAM.. I would be happiest with a 32 or 64 MB model with mono.. I want the longer runtime more than color.. |
| 16:24:36 | sjohnson | jmitch1: You can have the RAM and/or Flash upgraded in the mono units. |
| 16:24:57 | jmitch1 | sjohnson: How? |
| 16:25:00 | nikos | jmitch1: I understand and agree. |
| 16:25:11 | | nikos: excuse me? |
| 16:25:11 | nikos | ibot: ipaq memory upgrade |
| 16:25:13 | jmitch1 | nikos: So I have to buy color to get the RAM I want.. |
| 16:25:17 | | nikos: excuse me? |
| 16:25:17 | nikos | ibot: ipaq flash upgrade |
| 16:25:23 | nikos | ibot: search for upgrade |
| 16:25:33 | | nikos: sorry... |
| 16:25:33 | nikos | ibot: ipaq flash upgrades |
| 16:25:35 | | it has been said that ipaq memory upgrades is at http://www.pce2000.com/ipaq64.asp or at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/UpgradingDRAM |
| 16:25:35 | nikos | ibot: ipaq memory upgrades |
| 16:26:54 | sjohnson | jmitch1: There is a review of the upgrades that one companie does, http://www.the-gadgeteer.com/times-2-tech-upgraded-ipaq-review.html |
| 16:40:51 | jmitch1 | Hmmm.. That is really cool they are offering RAM upgrades, and it looks like they are very reputable.. I would have to wait a year though.. I have been burned on warranties too much.. |
| 16:45:11 | nikos | jmitch1: Just overwriting flash may be sufficent to void your warrantie. |
| 16:54:34 | jmitch1 | nikos: Really? Hmmm. |
| 16:54:48 | jmitch1 | nikos: Maybe I do not need an ipaq yet.. |
| 16:56:22 | nikos | jmitch1: So far, Compaq support has not enforced it. But I believe the warrantie terms do specify that as a voiding action. |
| 16:56:45 | jmitch1 | I am not about to drop several hundred dollars on a chunk of hardware and not have a warranty.. |
| 16:56:55 | jmitch1 | Guess I do not need one that bad then.. |
| 16:57:32 | debugger | its possible to boot linux without flashing |
| 16:57:36 | jmitch1 | nikos: You know what? I am SO tired of the crap companies can pull with warranties and service.. |
| 16:57:50 | | debugger: excuse me? |
| 16:57:50 | debugger | ibot: without flashing |
| 16:57:57 | debugger | aarrggggHH!! |
| 16:58:10 | jmitch1 | debugger: Yes I know.. Again more money..I have to buy a CF sleve and a CF card.. |
| 16:58:20 | debugger | get it for free |
| 16:58:30 | jmitch1 | Sure, if I spend 500 dollars.. |
| 16:58:36 | jmitch1 | I do not have 500 dollars.. |
| 16:58:43 | debugger | my amazon.com deal is on its way for 149 US $ |
| 16:58:44 | jmitch1 | I have 200 dollars.. |
| 16:58:53 | jmitch1 | Eh? |
| 16:59:02 | debugger | includes CF sleeve and viking CF32M or something |
| 16:59:05 | jmitch1 | Not for a color one.. Only for a mono.. |
| 16:59:13 | jmitch1 | With only 16MB of RAM.. |
| 16:59:45 | debugger | even the upgrade won't make it a bad choice |
| 17:00:19 | jmitch1 | You know what.. I am in a bad mood, so I apologize if I am being flipant. I have just spent an hour on the phone trying to make a phone company quit sicking the creditors on me for an account I did not open.. |
| 17:00:57 | jmitch1 | I just finally got things ironed out.. Although I do not trust them to really fix it.. |
| 17:01:06 | debugger | no problem you did not insult me .... yet ;) |
| 17:01:19 | jmitch1 | Good.. I hate upsetting people.. |
| 17:01:25 | nikos | jmitch1: On the good side, I have returned one ipaq which had a power failure that I had installed Linux on and they had no arguments in replacing it. I doubt you would have any problems in reality, I just wanted to make sure you were aware of the possibility. |
| 17:01:37 | jmitch1 | So you got something from amazon for 150? |
| 17:01:58 | debugger | want to see my order? |
| 17:02:01 | jmitch1 | nikos: Thanks for the warning. I appreciate it.. |
| 17:02:11 | jmitch1 | debugger: Uh okay.. |
| 17:02:16 | debugger | > 1 Viking CF32M 32 MB CompactFlas $33.99 1 $33.99 |
| 17:02:18 | debugger | > 1 Compaq iPAQ 3135 Monochrome Po $199.99 1 $199.99 |
| 17:02:18 | debugger | > |
| 17:02:18 | debugger | > --------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 17:02:18 | debugger | > Item Subtotal: $233.98 |
| 17:02:18 | debugger | > Shipping & Handling: $5.00 |
| 17:02:18 | debugger | > Promotional Certificate: $33.99 |
| 17:02:20 | debugger | > Total: $204.99 |
| 17:02:22 | debugger | > |
| 17:02:40 | jmitch1 | So.. How did you get it for 150? |
| 17:02:42 | debugger | print the compaq rebate form worth US $ 50 |
| 17:02:49 | jmitch1 | Oh.. I see.. |
| 17:02:55 | jmitch1 | 3135.. |
| 17:03:00 | debugger | yes |
| 17:03:12 | jmitch1 | Hmm. I have not seen that model on compaq's site.. Is that a little older one? |
| 17:03:27 | debugger | that is the model with a CF sleeve |
| 17:03:47 | debugger | 3150 + sleeve = 3135 |
| 17:04:12 | jmitch1 | Really? Thats a silly model numbering system.. That seems backwards.. |
| 17:04:59 | cworth | jmitch1: well, but the 3130 == 3150, (and yes that is silly). |
| 17:05:29 | debugger | cworth: was that a language difference? |
| 17:05:33 | DragonEagle | I think there is a button color difference there :) |
| 17:05:47 | debugger | so we can say 3130 + sleeve = 3135 |
| 17:05:48 | cworth | debugger: no, I think it was distribution channels or something like that. |
| 17:05:56 | jmitch1 | Oh well.. Hmm, there is a used 3100 series list here. Has anyone bought used stuff from amazon? |
| 17:05:57 | DragonEagle | is away: schools out |
| 17:05:57 | cworth | debugger: yes. |
| 17:06:38 | cworth | debugger: oh wait, I might be all wrong. I was remembering that 3630 == 3650. I suppose the 3100 series might actually follow a different scheme. ;-) |
| 17:07:21 | debugger | does not matter to me ;) I just care about the penguin |
| 17:07:34 | jmitch1 | Yeah, I guess so.. |
| 17:08:17 | nikos | cworth: No, I think you are correct. |
| 17:08:33 | jmitch1 | Well, I gotta run.. Later all, and thanks for all the fish.. |
| 17:08:51 | debugger | best of luck |
| 17:09:13 | sjohnson | wondered what that funny smell was |
| 17:19:52 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 00:13:54) |
| 17:27:33 | DragonEagle | is away: just away |
| 17:31:51 | mallum | is away: dinnertime |
| 17:36:05 | nikos | is away: Computer delivery |
| 17:39:27 | cworth | a7r: hello. |
| 17:41:43 | a7r | cworth: hey.. |
| 17:49:57 | mallum | is back (gone 00:18:03) |
| 18:25:08 | | edwardam was last seen on #familiar 2 hours, 23 minutes and 33 seconds ago, saying: ahh [Fri Sep 7 17:01:35 2001] |
| 18:25:08 | EGg0 | ibot seen edwardam |
| 18:25:30 | edwardam | EGg0: wassup? |
| 18:25:48 | | tangent was last seen on #intimate 24 days, 3 hours, 43 minutes and 58 seconds ago, saying: I have to unplug my computers now because I'm moving house. I'm going on holiday for a week too, so I won't be around on the net until the last day of August at the earliest. [Tue Aug 14 15:41:50 2001] |
| 18:25:48 | jg | ibot: seen tangent |
| 18:27:37 | a7r | OKay.. new pre-release images online. |
| 18:27:41 | a7r | s/es/e/ |
| 18:28:06 | acous | where what a7r |
| 18:28:08 | cworth | a7r: slick. I'll pull them down now. |
| 18:29:37 | jg | installing now... |
| 18:29:54 | jg | any solution to the pump problem? |
| 18:30:02 | jg | a7r: |
| 18:32:47 | a7r | not yet.. and I think there might be other networking troubles, my wvlan just went to south. |
| 18:38:56 | nikos | is back |
| 18:39:38 | echOff | jg: what 'pump' problem are you refering to? I have been having weird problems dhcp'ing from a server at work, but not at home... |
| 18:40:24 | a7r | OKay.. my Wavelan is having watchdog timeouts on TX. |
| 18:45:09 | geers | a7r: I noticed some installations have this problem, while others work perfectly. Could this be a timing problem? |
| 18:45:35 | a7r | geers: it's probably something interrupt related. |
| 18:47:54 | geers | a7r: I had two identical ipaq's, one worked, the other got TX problems |
| 18:55:01 | a7r | I think lucid is gonna show, we'll have like 5 ibooks there. |
| 18:55:03 | a7r | er.. |
| 19:01:04 | cworth | a7r: so what did you decide to name the kernel symlink? |
| 19:18:36 | geers | I just installed the lwedemo feed: # NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out |
| 19:18:37 | geers | wvlan_cs: eth0 Tx timed out! Resetting card |
| 19:18:37 | geers | wvlan_cs: MAC address on eth0 is 00 02 2d 1d 0c 75 |
| 19:20:43 | geers | another ipaq with the same image doesn't have this problem |
| 19:22:10 | geers | they are identical ipaq's (H3660) and identical WLAN cards |
| 19:22:15 | echo_ | hrrm.. that is weird.. |
| 19:22:24 | echo_ | you tried swapping cards? |
| 19:22:40 | geers | yes, first thing I tried |
| 19:22:45 | echo_ | sleeves? |
| 19:23:10 | jg | sleeves == shorthand for "expansion packs" |
| 19:23:10 | geers | same problem with same ipaq, so not related to the card |
| 19:23:27 | geers | same type, single sleeves |
| 19:23:40 | echo_ | just curious if you tried swapping out the pcmcia jackets between them |
| 19:23:43 | jg | a7r: I'm off to the races with this jffs2 image.... |
| 19:24:13 | geers | no, haven't done that (yet) |
| 19:24:25 | geers | just a sec |
| 19:26:14 | echo_ | I had a faulty sleeve from compaq.. pcmcia cards worked intermittantly.. warranty replaced and had no problems afterwards |
| 19:26:36 | echo_ | os just wouldn't see the card sometimes |
| 19:27:00 | cworth | jg: what's the correct value for kernel_filename? |
| 19:27:12 | cworth | jg: tell Dave I like the flashing green LED. :) |
| 19:27:47 | jg | do an "ls /boot" at the boot loader promt... |
| 19:28:23 | cworth | jg: ah, yes. I forgot we had ls too. This is very nice indeed! |
| 19:28:35 | jg | top of the slippery slope.... |
| 19:28:58 | cworth | jg: well, as long as it fits in a block, (and it doesn't make bricks). ;-) |
| 19:29:07 | jg | Yup. |
| 19:29:33 | BBrox | Why not a Pacman game while flashing :-) ? |
| 19:29:41 | BBrox | (like some old C-64 disk copier :-) ) |
| 19:30:15 | edwardam | heh |
| 19:30:19 | cworth | jg: OK, I'm booting. :) |
| 19:30:39 | geers | yes, its a sleeve problem |
| 19:31:41 | geers | echo_: you would recommend me to return the sleeve? |
| 19:33:20 | geers | echo_: well, anyway, Im happy to hear this is nothing to do with the kernel |
| 19:34:43 | cworth | waits patiently while ipkg does its thing with task-familiar-complete... |
| 19:35:37 | jg | cworth: I'm making a list of all the stuff that needs to change in task-familiar-complete... You should do so as well... |
| 19:36:36 | jg | oh, sh*t; I defined my root partition size wrong.... |
| 19:37:00 | jg | cworth: good thing that brian is making the change I suggested... |
| 19:38:13 | echo_ | geers: my problem seemed a little different, my os just intermittantly wouldn't see the card at all |
| 19:38:51 | echo_ | I would swap it back and forth a few times and see if it consistantly fails/works.. if so, then give compaq a call. |
| 19:39:38 | cworth | jg: oh dear. yes, your change will be nice. |
| 19:39:52 | cworth | jg: and yes, I will submit anything I find to GNATS. |
| 19:44:07 | cworth | jg: first biggie is I get no WM. ;) |
| 19:49:00 | Sylvain | hi |
| 19:50:57 | jg | cworth: gotta go: I'll mail out what i have so far... |
| 19:52:51 | jg | cworth: brian just did 2.15.6; drop him a note to make sure he pushes it outside the firewall... |
| 20:00:12 | echo_ | which version of bootldr is needed for 0.5? v2.14.8?? |
| 20:04:32 | mattzz | anybody with qpe here? |
| 20:05:09 | sjohnson | echo_: No. It think is is 2.15,x. They are testing boot the kernel from the jffs2 partition. |
| 20:06:51 | echo_ | yeah.. saw that post earlier pointing to /boot for the kernel. suspected that 2.14.8 might not work |
| 20:20:53 | EGg0 | How can I add items to menu-tiny that survive update-menus? |
| 20:21:19 | sjohnson | EGg0: Look in /usr/lib/menus |
| 20:22:02 | EGg0 | Ah, thanks. |
| 20:22:35 | sjohnson | EGg0: There is a Wiki page that describes the format in detail. |
| 20:22:45 | | EGg0: excuse me? |
| 20:22:45 | EGg0 | ibot menu |
| 20:22:54 | | EGg0: what? |
| 20:22:54 | EGg0 | ibot menu-tiny |
| 20:23:10 | cworth | EGg0: /usr/lib/menu |
| 20:24:45 | sjohnson | Hello Morn |
| 20:24:53 | Morn | Hi |
| 20:25:06 | Morn | I may have to take familiar off my ipaq |
| 20:25:27 | EGg0 | Why? |
| 20:25:29 | Morn | as much as it would bug me |
| 20:25:45 | pattieja | what's wrong Morn? |
| 20:25:49 | Morn | Because it looks like I'm going to get a contract to do some wince development |
| 20:26:05 | pattieja | Ouch (wince) :) |
| 20:26:06 | Morn | and I can't afford a second ipaq |
| 20:26:10 | EGg0 | I'm so terribly sorry! |
| 20:26:20 | pattieja | maybe you could "dual boot"! |
| 20:26:22 | pattieja | :) |
| 20:26:24 | Morn | giggle |
| 20:26:27 | EGg0 | (sorry about the iPAQ too :-) |
| 20:26:35 | pattieja | even at only $550 US? |
| 20:26:43 | pattieja | with a free PCMCIA sleeve? |
| 20:26:51 | Morn | they came down in price? |
| 20:26:57 | pattieja | that's the 3670 |
| 20:27:04 | pattieja | on Compaq's website |
| 20:27:13 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 02:59:41) |
| 20:27:24 | Morn | ah, what is the difference between the 3635 and the 3670? |
| 20:27:34 | echo_ | about 32Mb |
| 20:27:39 | pattieja | yep :) |
| 20:27:40 | sjohnson | 32 vs 64 MB of RAM |
| 20:28:06 | Morn | hmmm, the extra 32 meg of ram might be worth the extra $50 |
| 20:28:35 | echo_ | and you get the pcmcia sleeve, which cost me $160US |
| 20:28:36 | pattieja | yesssss |
| 20:28:55 | sjohnson | Morn: Yes. The prices have dropped. I order a 3670 and PCMCIA sleeve from Compaq for 549.99 |
| 20:28:59 | pattieja | ouch. That's probably what it'll cost us, cause my boss wants to upgrade to using a wireless modem/network card |
| 20:29:15 | EGg0 | never realized how big his little price revelation would be. |
| 20:29:33 | Morn | I will need to get a wireless card, this project is going to be doing some wireless stuff |
| 20:29:49 | echo_ | yes.. they are *most* nice :) |
| 20:31:14 | Morn | next I need to figure how to 'restore' wince |
| 20:31:18 | Morn | that should be fun. |
| 20:31:21 | echo_ | is away: Had to see a man about a dog.. |
| 20:31:33 | Morn | I'll get a second iPAQ when I can and go back to familiar |
| 20:31:50 | Morn | right now I have 3 handhelds... people think I'm weird |
| 20:31:56 | echo_ | heh |
| 20:32:17 | Morn | my room mate says I 'dink' around with handhelds too much, but agrees that I may know a few things she doesn't |
| 20:34:29 | Morn | although first I have to put a budget together for a goverment grant... |
| 20:34:37 | Morn | I hate this administrative stuff |
| 20:42:29 | | lorien is ftp://lorien.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/demo or the bleeding-edge demo site CRL runs |
| 20:42:29 | cworth | ibot lorien |
| 21:00:38 | Sylvain | does perl/gtk come with intimate ? |
| 21:00:47 | DragonEagle | is away: schools out |
| 21:00:57 | gls | for(;;) |
| 21:01:31 | DragonEagle | goes into an infinate loop |
| 21:02:10 | gls | [well done] |
| 21:03:24 | nikos | Sylvain: Intimate just provides a debian base, you then install from Debian ARM I believe. |
| 21:03:43 | nikos | Sylvain: This question is best asked on #intimate though. This is #familiar. ;) |
| 21:04:29 | Sylvain | nikos: thought i was on another window :) |
| 21:04:36 | Sylvain | on #handhelds.org :) |
| 21:04:38 | Sylvain | sorry ;) |
| 21:05:06 | Sylvain | i'm using familiar |
| 21:05:27 | Sylvain | and since it doesn"t seem to have perl/gtk but python instead |
| 21:05:46 | Sylvain | i was wondering why mandrake choosed perl to code his pim app |
| 21:06:29 | edwardam | Sylvain: 'cause he likes perl. |
| 21:06:30 | nikos | Sylvain: Familiar is a distribution using packages, if someone will just get around to packaging up appropriate ipkgs of Perl and PerlGTK, then Familiar would have them. |
| 21:07:38 | Sylvain | where can i find instructions to build an ipkg package ? |
| 21:07:46 | | i think ipkg is the Itsy Package Management System used by Familiar: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/iPKG or find the source in the handhelds.org CVS http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/familiar/dist/ipkg/ |
| 21:07:46 | sjohnson | ibot: ipkg |
| 21:07:51 | Sylvain | i guess this is very similar to dpkg right ? |
| 21:08:05 | sjohnson | Sylvain: The same idea only lighter |
| 21:08:58 | nikos | Sylvain: The tools are in CVS (shell based) and it's really quite simple. I recommend looking at existing packages for the details (after reading what documentation there is). |
| 21:09:32 | mandrake | I'm using perl because I don't like python :) |
| 21:10:04 | Sylvain | nikos: it's ok, i've read the instructions and it looks wery simple |
| 21:11:31 | sjohnson | tried to envision a perl -> python converter. But thenstops after his brain starts hurting... :) |
| 21:11:35 | Sylvain | mandrake: anyway, perl/python gtk are so cool :) |
| 21:25:54 | Morn | anyone know about the method to restore wince? |
| 21:26:10 | pattieja | should be on the familiar.handhelds.org site |
| 21:26:14 | pattieja | I've got it printed out |
| 21:26:30 | pattieja | haven't attempted it, though (no point) |
| 21:26:31 | Morn | It says to download the latest rom, but I backedup the one I had |
| 21:26:40 | pattieja | right |
| 21:26:47 | Morn | can I just cat those files together and use that image? |
| 21:26:57 | pattieja | yes or dd |
| 21:27:04 | pattieja | I would think |
| 21:27:24 | Morn | how would I use dd for multiple files? sorry if that sounds like a simple question |
| 21:27:44 | pattieja | not at all |
| 21:27:53 | Morn | ok so I'm not losing it |
| 21:28:03 | Morn | I'll just download the rom and go from there |
| 21:28:11 | Morn | no use risking messing the machine up |
| 21:28:15 | pattieja | dd if=image1 of=bigwince.img |
| 21:28:49 | pattieja | dd if=image2 of=bigwince.img bs=1 seek=<size of image2 in bytes> |
| 21:29:00 | pattieja | let me check the seek=... parameter, just a second... |
| 21:29:07 | Morn | ok, thanks |
| 21:29:31 | pattieja | seek=BLOCKS |
| 21:29:32 | pattieja | skip BLOCKS obs-sized blocks at start of output |
| 21:29:33 | pattieja | yep |
| 21:29:51 | pattieja | dd if=image3 of=bigwince.img bs=1 seek=<size of image2 in bytes + size of image3 in bytes> |
| 21:30:11 | pattieja | sorry all above incorrect (as far as seeking concerned |
| 21:30:13 | pattieja | ) |
| 21:30:32 | pattieja | dd if=image2 of=bigwince.img bs=1 seek=<size of image*1* in bytes> |
| 21:30:40 | pattieja | dd if=image3 of=bigwince.img bs=1 seek=<size of image1 in bytes + size of image2 in bytes> |
| 21:30:49 | pattieja | dd if=image4 of=bigwince.img bs=1 seek=<size of image1 in bytes + size of image2 in bytes + size of image3 in bytes> |
| 21:31:11 | pattieja | or you could go the easy route and 'cat image1 image2 image3 image4 > bigwince.img' |
| 21:31:16 | Morn | alright, let me try this |
| 21:31:31 | Morn | I think cat is the best option |
| 21:31:38 | pattieja | actually, the worst that can happen is that it won't work and you'll have to send it back to CRL |
| 21:31:41 | pattieja | yep |
| 21:32:31 | sjohnson | Morn: You can also restore WinCE by using bootldr and the old 4 backup images. |
| 21:32:51 | sjohnson | See the Old method at the botton of the page. http://www.handhelds.org/projects/wincerestoration.html |
| 21:34:39 | sjohnson | Morn: You can also using the reflash utility to handle it. |
| 21:36:01 | Morn | sjohnson: oh? |
| 21:36:35 | sjohnson | For both methods see, http://www.handhelds.org/projects/wincerestoration.html |
| 21:36:50 | Morn | ok, thanks |
| 21:37:02 | edwardam | is away: Starbucks run |
| 21:37:37 | Gus | anyone have problems with power and the ipaq w/ linux? |
| 21:38:07 | Gus | sometimes my ipaq's power gets drained for seeming no reason (what it's turned off) |
| 21:39:34 | Morn | Ok, the reflash seems like a good option... |
| 21:39:40 | Morn | and I have a CF card so this should work |
| 21:39:44 | Morn | thanks sjohnson |
| 21:39:54 | sjohnson | Gus: Power management still needs some tweaking in the kernel. Some people get several days of sleep while others are luck to get a day. |
| 21:40:09 | sjohnson | Morn: My pleasure. |
| 21:40:23 | Gus | sjohnson: ahh, okay that's fine, just wanted to make sure that my ipaq wasn't broken or anything. |
| 21:45:13 | nikos | escapes |
| 21:46:00 | edwardam | is back (gone 00:08:57) |
| 21:49:01 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 00:48:14) |
| 22:34:11 | nelazul | ACK! |
| 22:34:51 | nelazul | im installing the bootldr on a mono ipaq, an dit says this: "img_size is too large for region" |
| 22:35:05 | nelazul | anybody know what this means? did i create a brick? |
| 22:35:24 | edwardam | nelazul: What stage are you at in the install? |
| 22:35:38 | edwardam | nelazul: And did it say that it wrote (writing ...) anything yet? |
| 22:35:43 | nelazul | in hyperterm after the osloader ran |
| 22:36:07 | nelazul | it said download successful |
| 22:36:25 | nelazul | 00018A80 bytes loaded to C0000400 |
| 22:36:26 | nelazul | img_size is too large for region: 00000000 |
| 22:36:26 | nelazul | boot> peek flash 0x0 |
| 22:36:26 | nelazul | addr = 00000000 |
| 22:36:26 | nelazul | value = EA0003FE |
| 22:36:26 | nelazul | boot> peek flash 0x20 |
| 22:36:27 | nelazul | addr = 00000020 |
| 22:36:30 | nelazul | value = 00000000 |
| 22:36:33 | nelazul | sorry for that big paste :) |
| 22:36:56 | nelazul | btw, its still running, if i can salvage it... |
| 22:37:17 | edwardam | nelazul: good keep it running . |
| 22:37:27 | edwardam | What bootloader were you installing? |
| 22:37:40 | nelazul | 2.14.8 |
| 22:37:47 | nelazul | because i heard .15 had problems |
| 22:38:28 | nelazul | it didnt come in 2 parts though |
| 22:38:59 | nelazul | there wasnt a c000 version, so i just sent the 0000 version as the 3600 tutorial said |
| 22:39:55 | edwardam | nelazul: I don't have a 3100 yet ... So i'm not sure if it's related to that or not. |
| 22:40:12 | edwardam | nelazul: Ask on #handhelds.org ... I'm a little out of the loop (just getting back) |
| 22:40:21 | nelazul | k thanks |
| 22:40:28 | nelazul | ./ #handhelds.org |
| 22:40:33 | nelazul | er, crap :) |
| 22:41:09 | a7r | nelazul: you want to find dneuer.. |
| 22:41:58 | edwardam | nelazul: I'm pretty sure your not screwed either way. But to be sure I would leave the ipaq on and plugged into power until you can get help from dneuer |
| 22:42:12 | nelazul | yeah |
| 23:09:50 | DragonEagle | is away: dinner |
| 23:12:39 | edwardam | is away: tinkle tinkle little star ... now I know where you are |
| 23:15:50 | edwardam | is back (gone 00:03:10) |
| 23:24:29 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 00:14:39) |