| 00:25:55 | DragonEagle | is away: just away |
| 01:41:47 | Morn | Hi folks, well sadly enough my iPAQ is back to WinCE... question though, is it possible to do ppp via the serial cable with WinCE like it is with Linux? to a linux server that is |
| 01:45:16 | sjohnson | Morn: I think so but I'm not totally sure. |
| 01:45:23 | sjohnson | ibot: search for sync |
| 01:45:51 | Morn | I don't want to have to boot back into windows just to transfer files to the silly thing |
| 01:46:30 | | sjohnson: i haven't a clue |
| 01:46:30 | sjohnson | ibot: synchce? |
| 01:46:40 | | well, synce is at http://synce.sourceforge.net or a package for SYNchronising CE devices |
| 01:46:40 | sjohnson | ibot: synce? |
| 01:47:00 | sjohnson | Morn: Have a look at that package. I thinks it may be what your looking for. |
| 01:47:00 | Morn | I feel like the bot, no clue :-) |
| 01:47:05 | Morn | Ok, thanks |
| 01:48:31 | Morn | hmmm... that link doesn't work, but http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/synce does |
| 01:49:17 | Morn | sadly there are no files yet... just a site... |
| 01:59:14 | sjohnson | Morn: Wait. I think there is a howto on how to load familiar using only windows. |
| 02:01:29 | sjohnson | Morn: look here. http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/ActiveSync |
| 02:03:22 | Morn | cool, thanks, that is what I'm looking for |
| 02:04:40 | | sgodsell: what? |
| 02:04:40 | sgodsell | ibot familiar 0.5 |
| 03:10:19 | Darksmurf | Had a question for you guyz.... familiar run on a 3150? |
| 03:20:08 | Darksmurf | Had a question for you guyz.... familiar run on a 3150? |
| 03:39:22 | | 31xx is http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/What%20is%20the%20current%20status%20of%20Linux%20on%20theË1xx%20iPAQs |
| 03:39:22 | jacques | ibot: 31xx |
| 03:43:44 | | Darksmurf: what? |
| 03:43:44 | Darksmurf | ibot: 3150 |
| 03:44:48 | Darksmurf | hmmm... |
| 03:44:52 | Darksmurf | 404 error |
| 03:47:13 | | ...but 31xx is http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/What%20is%20the%20current%20status%20of%20Linux%20on%20theË1xx%20iPAQs... |
| 03:47:13 | jacques | ibot: 31xx is at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/What%20is%20the%20current%20status%20of%20Linux%20on%20the%2031xx%20iPAQs |
| 03:47:21 | | jacques: I forgot 31xx |
| 03:47:21 | jacques | ibot: forget 31xx |
| 03:47:25 | | OK, jacques. |
| 03:47:25 | jacques | ibot: 31xx is at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/What%20is%20the%20current%20status%20of%20Linux%20on%20the%2031xx%20iPAQs |
| 03:47:32 | jacques | Darksmurf: try the new url |
| 03:47:34 | Darksmurf | hmm |
| 03:47:36 | Darksmurf | very cool |
| 03:47:39 | Darksmurf | thanks |
| 03:47:49 | Darksmurf | doh |
| 03:47:53 | jacques | np |
| 03:48:05 | Darksmurf | I see the diff in the urls :) |
| 03:48:13 | jacques | what is it? |
| 03:48:32 | jacques | Ë |
| 03:48:35 | jacques | whatever that is |
| 03:48:48 | | 31xx is at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/What%20is%20the%20current%20status%20of%20Linux%20on%20the%2031xx%20iPAQs |
| 03:48:48 | jacques | ibot: 31xx |
| 03:51:02 | Darksmurf | I think I'm going to buy another IPAQ to play with :) (3150 that is) |
| 03:51:19 | Darksmurf | I'd hate to turn my current ipaq into a brick... |
| 03:54:08 | Darksmurf | "Compaq Research will ensure that you do not permanently turn your iPAQ into a paperweight" Does this mean they will let me send it in and they will fix it? (free?) |
| 03:59:14 | jacques | yes, but you have to pay shipping both awys |
| 03:59:23 | jacques | and they get to it when they get to it |
| 03:59:31 | jacques | no guarantees on turnaround time |
| 03:59:38 | jacques | so don't brick your ipaq |
| 03:59:40 | Darksmurf | very understandable |
| 03:59:41 | Darksmurf | :) |
| 03:59:54 | jacques | :-) |
| 04:00:12 | Darksmurf | thanks...I'm going hit the sack for now...read the pages a few more times...and maybe give it a shot :) |
| 04:00:18 | Darksmurf | cya |
| 04:00:28 | jacques | later, good luck |
| 04:01:01 | sjohnson | hi jacques |
| 04:03:56 | jacques | sjohnson: hi |
| 04:05:05 | sjohnson | has figured out how to boot pre-v0.5 |
| 04:10:06 | jacques | cool :-) |
| 04:10:13 | jacques | how's hte new bootldr? |
| 04:16:23 | sgodsell | Hello guys |
| 04:16:41 | sgodsell | Where is pre-v0.5? |
| 04:17:10 | jacques | sgodsell: I don't know, but sjohnson might |
| 04:18:28 | sjohnson | It's not official. I just went hunting for a7r test release. |
| 04:19:01 | sjohnson | The new bootldr is nice. I can ls in the jffs2 partition. |
| 04:19:14 | jacques | cool |
| 04:19:20 | jacques | ibot: search for dual |
| 04:20:32 | sjohnson | Oh my stars and garders. That asshole is actually going though with it. |
| 04:20:47 | jacques | huh? |
| 04:21:16 | sjohnson | Congress is going to try to regulate our computes. DCMA round 2. |
| 04:21:42 | sjohnson | hang on while I get a URL |
| 04:21:55 | jacques | what??? |
| 04:21:58 | sjohnson | http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,46655,00.html |
| 04:22:33 | sjohnson | Congress will be mandated security is all computers and media devices to prevent piracy. |
| 04:23:03 | jacques | that will never fly |
| 04:23:30 | sjohnson | No if all geeks start fighting back right now. |
| 04:23:45 | sjohnson | A summary. |
| 04:23:46 | sjohnson | [Summary: The private sector has 12 months to agree on a standard, |
| 04:23:46 | sjohnson | or the Secretary of Commerce will step in. Industry groups that can |
| 04:23:46 | sjohnson | participate: "representatives of interactive digital device |
| 04:23:46 | sjohnson | manufacturers and representatives of copyright owners." If industry |
| 04:23:47 | sjohnson | can agree, the secretary will turn their standard into a |
| 04:23:49 | sjohnson | regulation; if not, normal government processes apply and NTIA |
| 04:23:51 | sjohnson | takes the lead. The standard can be later modified. The secretary |
| 04:23:53 | sjohnson | must certify technologies that adhere to those standards. Also: |
| 04:23:55 | sjohnson | "The secretary shall certify only those conforming technologies |
| 04:23:57 | sjohnson | that are available for licensing on reasonable and |
| 04:23:59 | sjohnson | nondiscriminatory terms." FACA, a federal sunshine law, does not |
| 04:24:01 | sjohnson | apply, and an antitrust exemption is included.] |
| 04:26:12 | jacques | :-( |
| 04:26:40 | sjohnson | Emigrating to Canada or Russia is looking more and more appealing. |
| 04:26:46 | jacques | yes |
| 04:26:57 | jacques | this shit is getting out of hand |
| 04:27:15 | jacques | ok, im heading home |
| 04:27:30 | jacques | ill be on from there later |
| 04:33:08 | sgodsell | Hey you guys lots of room here at the North Pole ;) |
| 05:06:27 | sgodsell | is away: I need sleep ZzzzZZzzzzzzZZZzzzzZ |
| 06:29:05 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 06:03:09) |
| 07:34:21 | SleepingDragon | is away: night all |
| 13:08:52 | echo_ | is back (gone 16:37:31) |
| 13:08:55 | gls | hello, echo_ && nelazul |
| 13:09:03 | echo_ | morning all |
| 13:09:06 | nelazul | hi |
| 13:09:21 | gls | i fell out of contact for the last 48hours |
| 13:09:41 | gls | can either of you bring me up to date wrt testing-0.5 ? |
| 13:10:49 | nelazul | i have no idea |
| 13:10:54 | nelazul | im wondering myself |
| 13:11:26 | echo_ | just a little bit.. a7r posted a root fs and they are tesing.. I logged off just as they were starting |
| 13:12:10 | gls | thx, i'm still reading through mail to catchup. but it is true that all of the action is in ircLand. thx 2 both |
| 13:12:26 | echo_ | I think that the kernel is loading differently, and it may requre a newer version of the bootldr.. Not sure if this is the case, or what version if it is true.. |
| 13:13:00 | gls | iirc, the new bootloader no longer requires a dedicated partition for the kernel |
| 13:13:03 | echo_ | I think that the new version loads the kernel from /boot in the root file system |
| 13:13:21 | echo_ | yep.. I think you are correct |
| 13:13:33 | gls | also had an 'at' pull down the bootldr cvs, but i only got version 2.14.X |
| 13:13:46 | mpakula | echo_ : you're right there is the same partition for root and kernel in 0.5 so bootldr has to be new one |
| 13:13:53 | gls | while i noticed a 2.15.2 {?} on lorien, so i fell out of date there too |
| 13:13:58 | echo_ | this is speculation.. I really am not up to speed either.. take my comments with a grain of salt |
| 13:14:25 | gls | [hope you don't mind if i take them with a cup of coffee instead :)] |
| 13:15:02 | echo_ | heh.. I am with you... I have a cup of productivity enhancer also ;-) |
| 13:46:32 | mattzz | anybody knows where "fdisk |
| 13:46:38 | mattzz | ..." is hidden? |
| 13:46:53 | mattzz | (familiar 0.4) |
| 13:47:01 | gls | there [used to be] a separate fdisk ipk |
| 13:47:11 | gls | may be been with e2fsprogs |
| 13:48:26 | mattzz | gls: nope, did not find it there |
| 13:50:09 | gls | did you check util-linux yet ? |
| 13:50:43 | gls | [lookiing at an olde listing i had && ipaq will not be in-hand until after lunch :(] |
| 13:51:47 | mattzz | gls: just getty and mkfs in util-linux... |
| 13:52:17 | gls | kicks self for leaving ipaq at office in order to force himself to work on this other stuff this morning |
| 14:05:48 | echo_ | initrd-smp.img |
| 14:05:53 | echo_ | ww :) |
| 14:06:17 | echo_ | reboot, kernel upgrade... bbl |
| 14:37:09 | gls | /clear |
| 14:37:16 | gls | [hi, mom] |
| 15:57:03 | MoD | BBrox: are you here? |
| 15:58:36 | | nikos was last seen on #familiar 18 hours, 13 minutes and 23 seconds ago, saying: escapes [Fri Sep 7 22:45:13 2001] |
| 15:58:36 | MoD | ibot1: seen nikos |
| 17:55:03 | DragonEagle | is away: gotta help with the groceries |
| 18:11:10 | sjohnson | is away: BBIAB food run |
| 18:13:21 | sgodsell_nb | is away: I'm busy |
| 18:38:07 | sjohnson | is back (gone 00:26:57) |
| 18:43:14 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 00:48:11) |
| 18:53:21 | EGg0 | Any word on Fam5? |
| 18:53:58 | EGg0 | I'm getting pissed off at my bootldr for crashing, and don't want to fix it until then. |
| 18:54:17 | gls | EGg0: which version of the bootldr are you running ? |
| 18:54:28 | EGg0 | 2.14.15 |
| 18:54:33 | gls | [i'm contemplating upgrading mine today && am reading changelogs from CVS] |
| 18:54:40 | DragonEagle | is away: lunch |
| 18:55:42 | gls | how is 2.14.15 failing ? [it's the latest version that i have checked out] |
| 18:56:17 | EGg0 | Suspend/resume |
| 18:56:41 | EGg0 | If I push the power button, or use apm suspend, it dies. |
| 18:56:51 | gls | and were you hoping to move forwards or back to 2.14.14 ? |
| 18:57:07 | sjohnson | Fam 5 is getting closer. They are still testing the new bootldr. |
| 18:57:07 | gls | [i thought that i saw a 2.15.2 out there... but perhaps a mirage] |
| 18:57:19 | EGg0 | I figured the .05 release would have an update |
| 18:57:40 | gls | sjohnson: current bootldr-testing not in CVS ? |
| 18:58:13 | sjohnson | gls: It is but it's different branch. |
| 18:58:31 | gls | [oops && thx] |
| 18:59:15 | sjohnson | i suggest not using it for now. In it default settings it will not boot from flash. |
| 18:59:33 | EGg0 | Well, that would suck. |
| 18:59:45 | EGg0 | is waiting for release for a reason. |
| 19:00:37 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 00:05:57) |
| 19:00:42 | sjohnson | EGg0: It will boot from flash. I got it to do it but I don't know exactly how I did. I'm playing with it now. |
| 19:02:44 | Morn | Hi everyone |
| 19:02:58 | sjohnson | Hello Morn. |
| 19:03:13 | sjohnson | how goes the linux <-> WinCE ? |
| 19:03:50 | Morn | almost worked, but not quite... I get authenticated, but then I get ConfNak's on the dns |
| 19:03:57 | Morn | it's a ppp thing I'm sure |
| 19:05:03 | Morn | I was up til 2am last night trying all sorts of variations in the ppp config to make it work |
| 19:05:17 | mattzz | Morn: usepeerdns ? |
| 19:05:36 | sjohnson | Morn: Or ms-dns. |
| 19:05:38 | Morn | mattzz: I tried both with and without that, and both with ms-dns and not |
| 19:05:59 | EGg0 | What's up with this? |
| 19:06:00 | EGg0 | => `//tmp/ipkg/menu-tiny_0.3_all.ipk' |
| 19:06:01 | EGg0 | Connecting to familiar.handhelds.org:80... connected! |
| 19:06:01 | EGg0 | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found |
| 19:06:01 | EGg0 | 00:36:30 ERROR 404: Not Found. |
| 19:06:03 | mandrake | where can I get an ipkg with ide tools in it? |
| 19:06:23 | EGg0 | I can ping, but can't get a package. |
| 19:06:30 | Morn | rcvd [IPCP ConfNak id=0x3 <ms-dns1 216.213.95.71> <ms-dns3 216.213.95.71>] |
| 19:06:50 | sjohnson | mandrake: what is your src line in /etc/ipkg.conf? |
| 19:06:55 | mandrake | found it |
| 19:07:00 | mandrake | sjohnson: no networking |
| 19:07:03 | mandrake | I'm uploading them by hand |
| 19:07:09 | Morn | mandrake: if you need ide_info I have a compiled version |
| 19:07:12 | mandrake | things are highly broken off my ipaq |
| 19:07:26 | mandrake | Morn: yeah, basically, but I think I can install this ipkg |
| 19:07:32 | mandrake | that should be 'good enough' |
| 19:07:39 | EGg0 | Morn: I'd like one |
| 19:07:45 | Morn | ok, I couldn't find ide_info so I built it |
| 19:07:54 | sjohnson | mandrake: Just do - ipkg install /tmp/name.ipkg |
| 19:08:23 | Morn | EGg0: wget http://laptop.magenet.com/~julie/ide_info |
| 19:08:28 | mandrake | sjohnson: Yeah I'm doing that for other stuff |
| 19:08:34 | mandrake | I've had to install modules ipkgs |
| 19:08:35 | EGg0 | Morn: Thanks! |
| 19:08:36 | mandrake | and such |
| 19:11:56 | Paul_3135 | [q] Any news of the status of CF support for the 31xx's? |
| 19:12:27 | mandrake | Morn: I may need to get one from you anyways |
| 19:12:38 | mandrake | :) |
| 19:13:10 | mandrake | Morn: yes, I need it |
| 19:13:11 | mandrake | :) |
| 19:13:36 | mandrake | cardmgr[24]: no pcmcia driver in /proc/devices |
| 19:13:37 | mandrake | hrmm |
| 19:13:46 | mandrake | /lib/modules/2.4.6-rmk1-np2-fam4/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/ds.o: insmod /lib/modules |
| 19:13:50 | mandrake | /2.4.6-rmk1-np2-fam4/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/ds.o failed |
| 19:13:58 | sjohnson | is the h3600-sleeve module loaded? |
| 19:14:20 | Morn | mandrake: wget http://laptop.magenet.com/~julie/ide_info |
| 19:14:49 | sjohnson | mandrake: You need to add 'h3600-sleeve' to /etc/modules is it's not already there. |
| 19:15:11 | mandrake | sjohnson: it is there |
| 19:16:23 | mandrake | h3600_sleeve_register_driver: registered a driver that matches the current sleev |
| 19:16:23 | mandrake | e Compaq Dual PC Card Sleeve |
| 19:16:26 | mandrake | YAY |
| 19:16:34 | mandrake | the whole reason I built this damned system :) |
| 19:16:58 | mandrake | and scrapped the one that actually worked |
| 19:17:24 | Paul_3135 | Any news on the ide-cs.o for the 31xx's? I can't use my 64MB CF card until I can get my hands on it.... |
| 19:20:47 | EGg0 | So what package do I want for logging (ie /var/log/messages)? Now that I'm using usbnet exclusively, I get no more logging to my screen (no ttySA0). |
| 19:21:06 | EGg0 | syslogd is installed, but I can find no logs |
| 19:23:42 | sjohnson | Paul_3135: You CF card should world. The 31xx and 36xx modules have the save PCMCIA hardware. |
| 19:24:37 | Paul_3135 | It doesn't: cardmgr[59]: module /lib/modules/2.4.7-rmk3-np1-hh2-mono1/pcmcia/ide-cs.o not av |
| 19:24:37 | Paul_3135 | ailable |
| 19:25:14 | sjohnson | Paul_3135: You need to load the ide-modules package to get the ide kernel modules. |
| 19:25:48 | Paul_3135 | checks to see if he has it.... |
| 19:26:18 | Paul_3135 | I |
| 19:26:20 | Paul_3135 | I |
| 19:26:28 | Paul_3135 | 'll give that a try.... |
| 19:27:08 | DragonEagle | Paul_3135: don't you love where they placed the "'"? |
| 19:27:23 | Paul_3135 | Heh. |
| 19:27:37 | Paul_3135 | If only I had my dvorak keyboard here.... |
| 19:27:43 | DragonEagle | lol |
| 19:27:55 | sjohnson | Paul_3135: depmod -a after you install the .ipkg |
| 19:28:40 | Paul_3135 | Will do. |
| 19:28:58 | Paul_3135 | I'd give *anything* for a dvorak keuboard for my laptop. :P |
| 19:29:28 | EGg0 | Paul_3135: I use dvorak on my laptop. |
| 19:29:56 | DragonEagle | EGg0: were you able to ftp into the skiff? |
| 19:30:22 | gls | crl is down today, no power, iirc |
| 19:30:23 | Paul_3135 | I have so many OS's on my laptop, I want a hardware dvorak, not a software one. I have yet to find a laptop that ships with one. |
| 19:30:58 | EGg0 | DragonEagle: No. I even saved a tarball of the directory in /home/groups/john@coastalgeology.org in case it was a problem with mget. |
| 19:31:05 | EGg0 | But got nothing. |
| 19:31:22 | EGg0 | I got frustrated, I try again later |
| 19:32:14 | pattieja | Ethernet over USB rocks. Just to let you guys know... |
| 19:32:37 | Paul_3135 | Hmm. I still get a "cardmgr[59]: module /lib/modules/2.4.7-rmk3-np1-hh2-mono1/pcmcia/ide-cs.o not av |
| 19:32:38 | Paul_3135 | ailable |
| 19:32:39 | Paul_3135 | " |
| 19:33:58 | DragonEagle | EGg0: there's the tarball you made |
| 19:34:22 | EGg0 | DragonEagle: Well thank you. You're the greatest. |
| 19:34:35 | DragonEagle | :) |
| 19:34:58 | EGg0 | (still have to figure out why all my ftp clients died... probably a firewall issue) |
| 19:35:13 | Paul_3135 | (note that I'm using mono1 and not arm) |
| 19:43:05 | Paul_3135 | See ya. |
| 19:43:09 | Paul_3135 | Ooops. WW. |
| 19:43:46 | Paul_3135 | *sigh* I think I'm going to have to wait and see what dneuer has to say. |
| 19:46:36 | EGg0 | Why does X seem to die when I rotate the screen right or left? (using the rotate that installs with postinst) |
| 19:47:26 | DragonEagle | EGg0: because the X server has to be stopped in order to rotate |
| 19:47:47 | EGg0 | Interesting: then why is it an option on my menu? |
| 19:47:52 | EGg0 | Seems silly. |
| 19:48:22 | DragonEagle | EGg0: it can be done, you have to nohup in order for it to work tho |
| 19:49:20 | sjohnson | No. the lastest tiny-x server has the xrandr extendions that allow it to be rotated with the xrand command. |
| 19:49:36 | DragonEagle | oh, cool |
| 19:50:27 | EGg0 | sjohnson: so what would the commandline option for that be? |
| 19:51:19 | sjohnson | xrandr -o normal | left | inverted | right |
| 19:51:35 | EGg0 | Thanks. |
| 19:53:02 | EGg0 | That's really nice with the truetype fonts and a 320x240 orientation! |
| 19:53:12 | Paul_3135 | It's interested to note that on my 3135, "normal" is upside down. |
| 19:53:23 | Paul_3135 | *interesting |
| 19:53:45 | Paul_3135 | I have to "xrandr -o inverted" to be able to read my screen when it' |
| 19:53:47 | Paul_3135 | s |
| 19:53:55 | Paul_3135 | in it's cradle. |
| 19:55:02 | Paul_3135 | And I can't firgure out how to make my fonts stop looking like they are double spaced (l i k e t h i s). |
| 19:55:09 | sjohnson | Paul_3135: You can set the initial orientation in the /etc/init.d/x script. |
| 19:57:19 | EGg0 | where's an ntpdate server (preferrably close to the southeast US) |
| 19:59:16 | sjohnson | Try mail.k12.ar.us |
| 19:59:46 | Paul_3135 | My .Xdefaults read, in part, "Rxvt*font: Verdana-7:minspace=true" |
| 20:00:17 | Paul_3135 | Any idea what I need to do to solve the weird spacing problem? Different font perhaps? |
| 20:00:42 | Morn | for ntp I use earth.ipass.net |
| 20:00:59 | sjohnson | Paul_3135: Try -Rxvt*font: mono-5.5:minspace=true |
| 20:01:14 | sjohnson | Er drop the '-' |
| 20:02:00 | Paul_3135 | That's what I had in my original .Xdefaults, before I installed the Verdana font. It was worse then. |
| 20:02:26 | sjohnson | Did you installed the MS fonts via familiar-postinst? |
| 20:03:13 | Paul_3135 | No, I manually installed it, as my iPaq is not networked. |
| 20:03:44 | sjohnson | Did you put the fonts into /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/ttf/ ? |
| 20:03:57 | Paul_3135 | iirc, yes. |
| 20:04:33 | Paul_3135 | *checks* |
| 20:04:41 | Paul_3135 | Hmm. There is no such director. |
| 20:04:43 | Paul_3135 | +y |
| 20:05:02 | sjohnson | Where did you put those MS fonts? |
| 20:05:38 | Paul_3135 | In /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ttf |
| 20:05:49 | sjohnson | That should work. |
| 20:06:07 | Paul_3135 | And it does, the spacing is just weird. |
| 20:06:40 | sjohnson | Are you using the AA rxvt of the old rxvt? |
| 20:06:52 | Paul_3135 | Yes. |
| 20:07:04 | sjohnson | s/of/or/ |
| 20:07:12 | Paul_3135 | aa |
| 20:07:37 | Paul_3135 | rxvt-aa |
| 20:07:57 | sjohnson | Hrmmm. minspace=true should have solved the spacing problem. |
| 20:09:44 | Paul_3135 | My entire .Xdefaults reads: |
| 20:09:46 | Paul_3135 | Rxvt*font: Verdana-7:minspace=true |
| 20:09:46 | Paul_3135 | Rxvt*geometry: 55x15 |
| 20:09:46 | Paul_3135 | Xft.rgba: vbgr |
| 20:09:46 | Paul_3135 | fscrib*overrideRedirect: true |
| 20:09:46 | Paul_3135 | fstroke*overrideRedirect: true |
| 20:10:36 | sjohnson | that is similar to mine. I think it's a matter for keithp or jg |
| 20:11:12 | Paul_3135 | I /love/ being on the bleeding edge. :P |
| 20:12:00 | DragonEagle | Paul_3135: watch out, that bleeding edge gets sharp lol |
| 20:12:22 | Paul_3135 | Of course, even as it is, it's /still/ better than WinCE. ^.^ |
| 20:12:54 | DragonEagle | lol |
| 20:13:32 | EGg0 | DragonEagle: What group do you run boa as? |
| 20:13:38 | EGg0 | nobody? |
| 20:14:04 | DragonEagle | I think I run it as root since I use it for backup and file transfer |
| 20:23:44 | EGg0 | is away: (folding laundry) |
| 20:33:38 | EGg0 | is back (gone 00:09:53) |
| 20:43:41 | | scream is probably an mp3 front end that was formerly known as pypaq.mp3 and pypaq. Available at http://handhelds.org/~gberenfield/ |
| 20:43:41 | EGg0 | ibot1 scream |
| 20:47:35 | nelazul | ok, i feel like an idiot |
| 20:48:00 | nelazul | i have all the base packages installed and qpe... why isn't it giving me anything on the ipaq's screen? |
| 20:48:22 | nelazul | i can access from serial but there's nothing on screen except the little penguin in the cornet |
| 20:52:38 | mattzz | nelazul: ok, go in /etc/init.d/ and type ./qpe start and watch out for error messages |
| 20:53:26 | nelazul | it says starting qpe, but i still have the black screen with the penguin... |
| 20:53:48 | mattzz | nelazul: did you reboot after installing the packages? |
| 20:54:02 | nelazul | yes |
| 20:54:07 | nelazul | at least i think so |
| 20:54:15 | nelazul | i cant really tell when its on and off... |
| 20:54:20 | nelazul | i typed reboot though |
| 20:54:49 | nelazul | i only have the bootstrap package installed- should that display anything on screen? |
| 20:55:39 | mattzz | yes, at least thasts what i did |
| 20:55:52 | mattzz | s/thasts/thats/ |
| 20:56:24 | mattzz | hm, is there a hint on the console when booting? |
| 20:56:46 | nelazul | it all looks normal |
| 20:57:05 | mattzz | nelazul: what ipaq do you use? |
| 20:57:11 | nelazul | 3135 |
| 20:57:32 | mattzz | is it monochrome? |
| 20:57:34 | nelazul | yes |
| 20:57:59 | mattzz | nelazul: that might be the problem. I have a 3630. maybe yours is not supported? |
| 20:58:06 | nelazul | hmmmmm |
| 20:58:17 | mattzz | ;-/ |
| 21:08:31 | EGg0 | is away: (making pottery) |
| 21:33:19 | DragonEagle | is away: stealing maps from mapquest |
| 22:00:56 | nelazul | anybody know how installing bash could break sh? |
| 22:01:05 | nelazul | i get this message: |
| 22:01:14 | nelazul | /bin/sh: error while loading shared libraries: libncurses.so.5: cannot load shar |
| 22:01:14 | nelazul | ed object file: No such file or directory |
| 22:01:29 | nelazul | unfortunately, this means i can't run ipkg :-( |
| 22:03:49 | nelazul | ok, i fixed ipkg by changing it to an ash script, but this probably won't last very long... |
| 23:35:19 | dc | hi |
| 23:35:53 | dc | I'm stuck... |
| 23:36:20 | dc | I can't chose between Agenda VR3 or iPaq with a linux hack... |
| 23:39:34 | dc | anyone have any views? |
| 23:39:44 | dc | hi |
| 23:39:50 | jmitch | Hello.. |
| 23:40:15 | dc | Have you any experince with linux pda's? |
| 23:40:38 | dc | I'm a bit stuck in the middle |
| 23:40:43 | dc | I can't chose between Agenda VR3 or iPaq with a linux hack... |
| 23:41:07 | dc | hrm... |
| 23:41:10 | jmitch | ipaq with linux for sure.. Agenda is pretty limited.. |
| 23:41:29 | dc | have you used an ipaq with linux before? |
| 23:41:49 | jmitch | I have played with one. But I do not have one myself.. I have an agenda.. |
| 23:41:55 | dc | hehe |
| 23:42:06 | dc | do use like it? |
| 23:42:17 | jmitch | Do I like the agenda? |
| 23:42:22 | dc | yeah.. |
| 23:42:29 | dc | I'm wanting to get one. |
| 23:42:46 | jmitch | Mmmm... Sorta.. It's kinda cool.. Put it this way. I would take a free one, but I would not buy one.. |
| 23:43:05 | dc | bit slow I thought? |
| 23:43:33 | jmitch | It was a little slow. The recent kernel and romdisk are much better, well except for battery life.. |
| 23:43:54 | dc | you know when the VR3r might be comming out |
| 23:44:11 | dc | battery has to be the main thing I'm concirned about |
| 23:44:20 | jmitch | Nope.. I do not even know what it is. |
| 23:44:26 | jmitch | Yeah.. |
| 23:44:44 | sgodsell | Hello familiar guys ;) |
| 23:44:48 | dc | okay. it's suppored to be the next Agenda with 16 ram and rechargible |
| 23:44:53 | dc | hi! |
| 23:45:03 | sgodsell | Hello dc |
| 23:45:14 | dc | sgodsell: you use familiar? |
| 23:45:17 | sgodsell | Hey doesnt the agenda have 16Mb of ram right now |
| 23:45:19 | jmitch | I see.. I am not sure that would be any better.. |
| 23:45:28 | jmitch | Nope.. 8MB of RAM. |
| 23:45:34 | sgodsell | Well I use alot of stuff |
| 23:45:36 | dc | yeah, only 8 :( |
| 23:45:50 | sgodsell | QPE, intimate, familiar, pocketlinux, etc... |
| 23:46:01 | jmitch | And it eats a set of batteries in about three days of minimal use... |
| 23:46:04 | dc | sgodsell: hehe: would you pich Agenda or iPaq monochrome with familiar |
| 23:46:12 | jmitch | Something is up with the power management.. |
| 23:46:20 | dc | ouch :/ |
| 23:46:42 | sgodsell | Well first of all the Agendas are slow as malases |
| 23:46:53 | dc | okay.. |
| 23:47:04 | sgodsell | So a monochrome iPAQ in my books is better any day of the week ;) |
| 23:47:07 | jmitch | Not with the current kernel and root disk.. |
| 23:47:22 | jmitch | It is very fast.. |
| 23:47:32 | dc | so..if familiar basicly like the Agenda linux OS? |
| 23:47:45 | jmitch | No way.. |
| 23:47:45 | dc | not like pocket linux.. |
| 23:47:54 | sgodsell | Well if you are looking for a PDA like a palm or CE device then dont go with familiar at all |
| 23:48:05 | dc | the thing that turns me off pocket linux is the java :/ |
| 23:48:06 | sgodsell | Oh |
| 23:48:11 | dc | why not? |
| 23:48:19 | sgodsell | by the way you can run agenda pims on the iPAQ |
| 23:48:29 | dc | familiar? |
| 23:48:34 | jmitch | Why? Java is cool stuff. |
| 23:48:55 | dc | yes. but I like the Agenda idea of just porting X and stuff :) |
| 23:49:04 | sgodsell | Do you guys have ipaqs as well as agendas |
| 23:49:06 | dc | is that what familiar is folowing? |
| 23:49:17 | dc | I'm just about to order one... |
| 23:49:27 | sgodsell | Good man |
| 23:49:33 | jmitch | I have an agenda.. |
| 23:49:54 | dc | if I install familiar, basicly it's a portible linux OS? |
| 23:49:56 | jmitch | I think dc is going to buy an agenda.. |
| 23:50:23 | dc | I was...I'm looking at iPaq to...I'm just like...hrm. |
| 23:50:24 | sgodsell | 68Mhz mips is slow. Hell, I complain of the speed on my Casio E-125 at a 150Mhz |
| 23:50:39 | dc | well...heh |
| 23:50:55 | jmitch | What are you running on your casio? |
| 23:51:17 | sgodsell | You can only run CE on the E-125 with CE 3.0 |
| 23:51:34 | sgodsell | That is why I have an 3630 iPAQ as well |
| 23:51:40 | dc | hehe |
| 23:51:48 | jmitch | I see... |
| 23:51:52 | sgodsell | You want to buy a E-125 |
| 23:51:54 | sgodsell | ? |
| 23:52:11 | jmitch | Nope... Sorry. I only want linux in my pocket.. |
| 23:52:23 | dc | hehe! |
| 23:52:38 | sgodsell | Oh if you have a half decent CF card. Then you can run tons of stuff on the iPAQ. |
| 23:52:54 | sgodsell | I have a 1Gig Microdrive on my iPAQ |
| 23:52:55 | dc | sgodsell: whould you be able to quickly explain the different linux dists I could use with an iPaq? |
| 23:53:23 | jmitch | Oh, you suck.. ;-) |
| 23:53:38 | sgodsell | Thanks jmitch |
| 23:53:40 | dc | I'm carefull wuth my cash ;p |
| 23:54:02 | dc | sorry guys, I'll stop acting like a dumbass. |
| 23:54:13 | dc | haha. |
| 23:54:13 | sgodsell | jmitch I wont tell you about my dual sleeve wireless lan card as well |
| 23:54:15 | sgodsell | ;) |
| 23:54:25 | jmitch | Dang would that be a sweet setup.. 1Gig microdrive with a 128Mb iPaq 3670.. |
| 23:54:31 | jmitch | Yeah, do not tell me.. |
| 23:54:31 | dc | +) |
| 23:54:34 | sgodsell | dc there are a ton of distros |
| 23:54:44 | sgodsell | intimate is the biggest by far |
| 23:54:55 | sgodsell | It is a full blow linux distro |
| 23:54:56 | dc | yeah, sure...all I wanna knoe is if familiar has gcc and bash? |
| 23:55:13 | sgodsell | Well you can install gcc |
| 23:55:25 | sgodsell | but you have to remember you only have 16Mb |
| 23:55:27 | sgodsell | of flash |
| 23:55:43 | sgodsell | So you really need a CF card as well |
| 23:55:43 | dc | can iPaq use Smart media? |
| 23:56:04 | jmitch | You could use a CF to Smart Media adapter I bet.. |
| 23:56:06 | sgodsell | Smart media? what in particular |
| 23:56:20 | dc | bit chinky.. |
| 23:56:36 | dc | just your bog-standard from old MP3 player ;) |
| 23:57:05 | sgodsell | There are like 4 or 5 differenct MP3 players now |
| 23:57:39 | dc | lol. Creative 64Mb Smart Media Card :) |
| 23:58:10 | sgodsell | Hmmm |
| 23:58:18 | sgodsell | I dont know |
| 23:58:30 | dc | rofl, kde on ipaq :) |
| 23:58:58 | sgodsell | You can |
| 23:59:03 | dc | I see! |
| 23:59:09 | sgodsell | You need intimate for that |
| 23:59:29 | sgodsell | I heard someone is working on gnome for the iPAQ |
| 23:59:39 | dc | nice. |
| 23:59:40 | sgodsell | Hmmm, that would be interesting |
| 23:59:54 | dc | hrm...MicroDrive = $$$ |
| 23:59:56 | sgodsell | Have you seen intimate |