| 00:07:24 | pattieja | is away: home |
| 00:41:18 | a7r- | re.. |
| 02:45:05 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 03:40:24) |
| 03:54:24 | DragonEagle | is away: just away |
| 04:05:21 | sgodsell | is away: Need Sleep zzzZzzZzZzz |
| 04:43:03 | esalazar | Anything new in the familiar world. Nothing new in the web page news section for a while... |
| 04:43:44 | a7r- | yeah.. I'm lazy. |
| 04:43:47 | a7r- | I need to update that. |
| 04:44:28 | esalazar | yeah. The topic for this channel... |
| 04:44:33 | edwardamZzZzZz | is away: Gotta Go, gotta go.... |
| 04:44:38 | a7r- | the topic is right.. |
| 04:44:59 | esalazar | Wasn't 0.4 released a few months ago? |
| 04:45:05 | a7r- | yeah. ;) |
| 04:45:36 | a7r- | v0.5 is out in pre-release.. |
| 05:33:03 | Wolfgang | Can anyone help me setup Orinoco WLan card on Ipaq? |
| 06:16:33 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 02:22:09) |
| 06:44:12 | beeblebrox | is away: Lunch |
| 07:23:39 | DragonEagle | is away: night |
| 07:24:20 | beeblebrox | is back (gone 00:40:08) |
| 07:24:47 | DragonEagle | beeblebrox: night |
| 07:25:12 | beeblebrox | DragonEagle: night... |
| 09:06:07 | sachac | Okay, so what's the cool thing about Familiar v0.5? =) Is there a changelog I can look at? |
| 09:08:33 | beeblebrox | sachac: i think the major change is in the bootloader |
| 09:09:04 | beeblebrox | sachac: it can now load the kernel from the root partition, and the kernel doesnt require a separate partition |
| 09:09:57 | sachac | Mmmmmmm... must be more, right? =) I'm not running into partition limits, although it's nice that you won't have to resize partitions to upgrade... |
| 09:10:15 | sachac | Still, you're supposed to install with a recent bootloader, so.. <shrug> |
| 09:18:43 | beeblebrox | sachac: yea, there must be more, you are right... i havent tried it yet though.. |
| 11:37:37 | coqueiro | hey |
| 11:38:47 | coqueiro | since http://www.andern.org is off, does anyone knows where I can get the postinst-kit? |
| 11:56:01 | coqueiro | Can anyone DCC the postinst-kit.tar.gz to me? |
| 11:56:56 | gls | coqueiro: the fonts, etc ? |
| 11:59:56 | coqueiro | yes |
| 12:00:03 | coqueiro | do you have it? |
| 12:00:28 | gls | coqueiro: no, but why not just install the ipk ? [i just woke up, so may be thinking too slowly here] |
| 12:00:34 | gls | ipkg update |
| 12:00:46 | gls | ipkg install familiar-postinst, iirc |
| 12:01:03 | coqueiro | yeah, but it get the files from the http://www.andern.org, which is off |
| 12:01:04 | gls | that is the one-true-way |
| 12:04:02 | gls | coqueiro: what about this address [http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.4/install/H3600/postinst-kit.tar.gz] |
| 12:05:22 | gls | it's from the current unstable ipkg |
| 12:06:00 | coqueiro | oh, thanks |
| 12:30:30 | coqueiro | see ya |
| 12:54:20 | pattieja | is back (gone 12:46:52) |
| 13:18:33 | sjohnson | is back (gone 16:00:17) |
| 13:22:25 | nikos | Morning everyone |
| 13:24:53 | bworth | jg: hay :) |
| 13:25:42 | jg | bworth: is for horses :-). |
| 13:29:16 | cworth | morning jg, bworth |
| 13:29:32 | jg | cworth: morning.... |
| 13:29:36 | cworth | jg: adding help mode to xstroke now. A release might even happen today. |
| 13:29:43 | pattieja | cool |
| 13:30:20 | jg | cworth: drop me a note and I'll take it for a drive... I beat up on Mallum's pikpak yesterday, and I'd be happy to move on... (BTW, Pikpak is very nice now).... |
| 13:30:36 | jg | cworth: I do get stuck in a meeting starting around 3:30 though.... |
| 13:31:23 | emankcin | hello |
| 13:31:33 | cworth | jg: OK. We'll see what I can do, (got another project to wrap up first this morning). But, you will want a shiny new xstroke for taking notes in your meeting, right? :) |
| 13:32:00 | jg | cworth: sure.... Get to listen to various HPLabs folks... |
| 13:33:21 | nikos | Hi emankcin |
| 13:33:27 | emankcin | Can anybody tell me how to transfer files to my ipaq using xmodem??? I want to install additional packages, using ipkg, but I cant get the packages transfered into a folder of my choice??? plz |
| 13:34:16 | nikos | emankcin: Log into the ipaq using your preferred serial terminal, cd into the directory where you want the file stored, then use the zmodem, not the xmodem, transfer method to upload with your terminal emulator. |
| 13:34:47 | nikos | emankcin: zmodem protocol will automatically start the receiving process on the ipaq. |
| 13:35:59 | emankcin | nikos: thank you very much!! |
| 13:36:04 | nikos | emankcin: Sure |
| 13:36:21 | emankcin | nikon: you don't want to now how much time i've spent searching internett for this information |
| 13:36:34 | nikos | emankcin: I have to recommend to you that you set up more appropriate networking soon though, installing ipkgs in this method is non-optimal. |
| 13:37:10 | emankcin | nikos: well, I don't hva expantion pack for my ipaq (yet) :) |
| 13:37:29 | emankcin | nikos: have you ever tried Qt Palmtop??? |
| 13:37:37 | nikos | emankcin: Don't need it. You can setup PPP or usbnet. |
| 13:37:39 | | ppp is http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/PPPHowto |
| 13:37:39 | nikos | ibot: ppp |
| 13:37:42 | | somebody said usbnet was at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking |
| 13:37:42 | nikos | ibot: usbnet |
| 13:38:02 | nikos | emankcin: No, I don't care for QT Palmtop. |
| 13:39:40 | emankcin | nikos: ok, I just saw some fancy pictures of Qt, so I thought I'd trie it just 4 fun. |
| 13:39:59 | emankcin | nikos: thanx again for your help |
| 13:40:05 | nikos | emankcin: You're welcome. |
| 14:00:20 | sjohnson | is free at last... |
| 14:00:27 | sjohnson | Morning |
| 14:01:16 | nikos | Hey sjohnson |
| 14:01:49 | sjohnson | It seems that everyhting is very quite today. |
| 14:04:17 | sjohnson | I hadn't touched my old 3630 since Monday. It's been sitting in a CF sleeve. /proc/apm is showing 76% battery remaining. |
| 14:05:27 | nikos | sjohnson: Very nice, what setup is that? |
| 14:05:37 | nikos | sjohnson: kernel and dist I mean. |
| 14:07:08 | sjohnson | nikos: 2.4.7 and familar v0.4 |
| 14:07:31 | nikos | sjohnson: Great. I sure will be happy when we have working sleep with v0.5. |
| 14:08:31 | sjohnson | nikos: I'll be extremely happy when sound drivers are fixed, wakeup problems. |
| 14:09:21 | nikos | sjohnson: What is the sound issue? I haven't tried it yet other than to make sure my mixer would start without errors. |
| 14:10:17 | sjohnson | nikos: The bitsy sound drivers don't wakeup well. Most of the time they will not work. |
| 14:10:41 | nikos | sjohnson: Ah, so part and parcel of the whole sleep issue. |
| 14:12:21 | sjohnson | nikos: Yes. Once after I had killed scream and removed my MP3 uDrive. My new iPAQ started to play an MP3 an hour laster after I woke it up. Really spooky and wierd. ;> |
| 14:12:42 | nikos | sjohnson: Wild, that is weird. |
| 14:14:18 | sjohnson | I going to try the new -hh5 changes to the 2.4.7 kernel the weekend. Maybe it will fix the sound problem. |
| 14:14:37 | nikos | sjohnson: Great, I'll be waiting to hear what you find. |
| 14:21:38 | nate | is there a way that I can put familiar onto my nec mobilepro? |
| 14:22:00 | nate | in the sake of just putting on palm qt then? |
| 14:23:03 | sjohnson | nate: The biggest question is can your mobilepro boot a linux kernel? |
| 14:23:16 | nikos | nate: Currently all of the Familiar packages are compiled for the ARM platform and most are specific to the Compaq iPAQ. |
| 14:23:54 | nate | well, my processor is a mips, r4121, linux-vr won't work, but kernels will boot. netbsd works great! |
| 14:24:06 | jg | nate: the bits are ARM/strongarm based, won't run on a MIPS. |
| 14:24:15 | nate | it's just that I am a linux nerd, not bsd |
| 14:25:39 | nate | you know where I can get a dummy kernel and fs just so I then run palm qt? |
| 14:25:51 | | nikos: i'm not following you... |
| 14:25:51 | nikos | ibot: linuxvr |
| 14:25:53 | | linux-vr is at http://www.linux-vr.org/ |
| 14:25:53 | nikos | ibot: linux-vr |
| 14:26:02 | nikos | oops |
| 14:26:07 | nikos | reads nate's post again. |
| 14:26:15 | | linuxce is http://mailman.bok.net/mailman/listinfo/linuxce-devel or http://mailman.bok.net/pipermail/linuxce-devel/ or http://www.2gn.com/~jjorgens/linuxce_faq.html |
| 14:26:15 | nikos | ibot: linuxce |
| 14:26:23 | nikos | nate: Looked at the linuxce stuff? |
| 14:30:41 | nate | I can never get into the linuxce site, never lets me in |
| 14:31:20 | nikos | nate: It doesn't exist anymore, that's why all of those links that ibot lists. |
| 14:31:44 | nate | ahhh |
| 14:32:03 | nate | well, let me go take a look at those sites... I'll be right back. |
| 14:32:38 | nikos | nate: Bits and pieces of the project are still around, you just have to do more work to find them. |
| 14:34:33 | nate | hehe |
| 14:34:42 | nate | as I have noticed |
| 14:44:16 | beeblebrox | is away: Gone |
| 14:59:44 | nate | I just can't find what I'm looking for kernel wise... |
| 15:00:33 | nate | I mean, I don't have a clio, don't need a stand alone system kernel, I don't have a freestyle I don't think |
| 15:04:10 | Nexs | RAR |
| 15:06:55 | dneuer | hi |
| 15:07:55 | sjohnson | is away: I'm busy |
| 15:10:54 | nikos | Hello dneuer |
| 15:19:03 | EGg0 | is away: (Discussing the view of the movie "Evil Dead II" as an allegory to explain the complexities of USA/China/Taiwan relations in the 21st century) |
| 15:22:24 | dneuer | hi nikos, how you doing? |
| 15:23:00 | nikos | dneuer: Reasonable well, and you? |
| 15:24:12 | dneuer | nikos: ok. A little down, what with everyting going on |
| 15:24:16 | mastre | yo |
| 15:24:37 | nikos | dneuer: Much the same here. |
| 15:24:40 | nikos | Hello mastre |
| 15:24:49 | mastre | hello nikos |
| 15:25:00 | nikos | dneuer: Looking for a job? |
| 15:29:07 | dneuer | nikos: yeah, you got one for me? |
| 15:29:53 | nikos | dneuer: No sorry, didn't mean to get your hopes up, just asking how it's going. |
| 15:30:24 | mastre | i want to install familiar on my ipaq, but which version of the bootloader please ? |
| 15:30:30 | dneuer | nikos: I know ;-) |
| 15:30:44 | dneuer | nikos: mandrake offered to pay me to mow his lawn ;-) |
| 15:30:55 | dneuer | is mandrake's neighbor |
| 15:31:03 | nikos | mastre: To install v0.4 I would recommend at least 2.14.8 and as high as 2.14.15. |
| 15:31:21 | nikos | dneuer: :) It's a start. |
| 15:31:39 | mastre | ok thank you :) |
| 15:32:00 | dneuer | nikos: don't recommend bootldr > 2.14.8 for familiar v0.4; the touchscreen driver has a bug which hangs the unit |
| 15:32:07 | dneuer | after resume |
| 15:32:24 | nikos | dneuer: OK, thanks. |
| 15:32:36 | nikos | mastre: As dneuer says, stick with 2.14.8, I used it for many weeks and it works fine. |
| 15:32:42 | dneuer | mastre: unless you're using the latest kernel, you'll want to use bootldr 2.14.8 |
| 15:33:12 | mastre | ok, will do that:) |
| 15:33:21 | mastre | +i |
| 15:33:38 | damcha | I just installed the 2.15.x to try 0.5beta, should I downgrade ? |
| 15:34:04 | dneuer | damcha: no, you should be ok |
| 15:38:52 | damcha | ok... |
| 15:38:55 | damcha | thank you |
| 15:45:04 | dneuer | nikos: any of the CRL folks been on at all today? |
| 15:45:47 | nikos | dneuer: I haven't been hanging out on #handhelds.org lately, so I'm not sure about that channel. But jg was here earlier. He's the only one I've seen all week. |
| 15:46:01 | dneuer | hmm |
| 15:46:09 | | jg was last seen on #familiar 1 hours, 22 minutes and 3 seconds ago, saying: nate: the bits are ARM/strongarm based, won't run on a MIPS. [Fri Sep 14 15:24:06 2001] |
| 15:46:09 | dneuer | ibot: seen jg? |
| 15:48:55 | coqueiro | hey |
| 15:49:06 | nikos | Hi coqueiro |
| 15:49:29 | coqueiro | for what I've seen, the mp3 player on Familiar is madplay, right? |
| 15:49:40 | coqueiro | Is there a graphical interface for it? |
| 15:49:51 | nikos | coqueiro: That's the best command line player we've come across yes, see Scream for a good GUI. |
| 15:49:53 | | nikos: sorry... |
| 15:49:53 | nikos | ibot: screamn |
| 15:49:55 | | AAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!! |
| 15:49:55 | nikos | ibot: scream |
| 15:50:09 | nikos | I wish people wouldn't do that. |
| 15:50:12 | nikos | ibot: search for scream |
| 15:50:24 | | AAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!! |
| 15:50:24 | nikos | ibot: scream |
| 15:50:26 | | is an mp3 front end that was formerly known as pypaq.mp3 and pypaq. Available at http://handhelds.org/~gberenfield/ |
| 15:50:26 | nikos | ibot: scream |
| 15:50:43 | coqueiro | oh great, thanks |
| 15:50:43 | | ...but scream is <reply> is an mp3 front end that was formerly known as pypaq.mp3 and pypaq. Available at http://handhelds.org/~gberenfield/ | <reply> AAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!... |
| 15:50:43 | nikos | ibot: scream is an mp3 front end that was formerly known as pypaq.mp3 and pypaq. Available at http://handhelds.org/~gberenfield/ |
| 15:50:47 | | nikos: I forgot scream |
| 15:50:47 | nikos | ibot: forget scream |
| 15:50:49 | | OK, nikos. |
| 15:50:49 | nikos | ibot: scream is an mp3 front end that was formerly known as pypaq.mp3 and pypaq. Available at http://handhelds.org/~gberenfield/ |
| 15:54:52 | coqueiro | is there a player for the ogg vorbis format? |
| 15:54:59 | coqueiro | like ogg123 or something? |
| 15:56:14 | nikos | coqueiro: Not that I'm aware of, the ogg players heavily use floating point which is a problem on the ipaq. |
| 15:59:56 | jg | dneuer: You rang? |
| 16:08:56 | Nexs | rm -rf /bin/laden |
| 16:14:22 | coqueiro | does anybody knows why I have to press the power button twice to turn the iPAQ on? |
| 16:15:23 | coqueiro | And if I leave it in suspend mode, when it comes back on again, the first time I touch the screen it enters the suspend mode again and I have to press the power button one more time to turn it on |
| 16:15:32 | coqueiro | is this a APM conf problem? |
| 16:17:06 | dneuer | hey jg |
| 16:17:10 | coqueiro | I just install the Familiar .4, so the conf files are default |
| 16:18:08 | coqueiro | It's a really weird (and very annoying) bug |
| 16:19:43 | coqueiro | does anyone have any ideas why this is happening? |
| 16:19:45 | nikos | coqueiro: The screensaver comes on because it notices that time has passed, that's the screensaver coming on not the suspend, there is no automatic suspend. Just hit some other button than the power button after hitting the power button to wake up. |
| 16:20:40 | jg | dneuer: I'm not a horse :-). |
| 16:20:44 | coqueiro | can I disable this screensaver thing? |
| 16:21:22 | jg | coqueiro: yes. |
| 16:21:24 | dneuer | jg: sorry. clam chowder |
| 16:21:38 | jg | coqueiro: there should be a menu entry for it... |
| 16:22:06 | jg | dneuer: sounds much more tasty than hey :-). |
| 16:22:28 | coqueiro | oh right...Now I saw it :) |
| 16:22:59 | dneuer | jg: actually, I think it's "hay" that is for horses, not "hey" |
| 16:23:22 | jg | dneuer: picky, picky, picky. As I said, I'm not a horse :-). |
| 16:23:32 | | well, GNATS is at http://familiar.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/wwwgnats.pl |
| 16:23:32 | dneuer | ibot: GNATS? |
| 16:26:32 | dneuer | hmmm. Mozilla does not like that URL |
| 16:27:00 | nikos | dneuer: Works fine in NS4.77 |
| 16:27:13 | dneuer | nikos: not Free Software :-) |
| 16:27:25 | dneuer | nikos: so I don't use it |
| 16:27:57 | jg | dneuer: 0.9.3 looks fine to me |
| 16:28:05 | dneuer | is a little bit of a zealot |
| 16:28:14 | dneuer | needs to upgrade from 0.9.1 |
| 16:28:54 | dneuer | will use IE on his Mac which he can't wait to stop using to file a bug report for now |
| 16:29:45 | nikos | dneuer: I wouldn't and I need to try newer Mozilla, but I have a slow system and Moz tends to be very problematic for me. |
| 16:33:57 | coqueiro | nikos: try galeon |
| 16:34:46 | coqueiro | it's much lighter than mozilla, yet uses the same render |
| 16:34:57 | nikos | coqueiro: I will at some point, thanks. Frankly I don't have time to setup software right now. |
| 16:35:40 | coqueiro | ok, see ya |
| 16:36:02 | cworth | dneuer: mozilla doesn't like the GNATs page? What's it do? I'm surprised as it's just a simple form or two. |
| 16:36:42 | cworth | FWIW, konqueror handles the page fine --- KDE is not my favorite, but I do very much like the AA fonts in QT. yummy! |
| 16:37:21 | jg | cworth: I've been intending to play with gtkxft, but haven't gotten it to work yet.... |
| 16:37:34 | jg | sjohnson was also poking at it.... |
| 16:37:39 | cworth | jg: that would also be delicious. |
| 16:39:17 | jg | Yup. I poked a bit last week, but had trouble getting it running on my desktop. You might take it for a spin: I'm not too likely to get it running before I go out... |
| 16:39:51 | cworth | jg: go out? surgery coming up? |
| 16:40:10 | jg | October 3. |
| 16:40:35 | dneuer | jg: surgery? |
| 16:40:44 | jg | dneuer: yup. |
| 16:40:46 | dneuer | jg: nothing to serious, I hope |
| 16:41:01 | jg | dneuer: serious elective surgery.... |
| 16:41:20 | dneuer | cworth: mozilla 0.9.1 crashes on the page |
| 16:41:36 | cworth | jg: well, hopefully we can get 0.5 to see the light of day before then at least. ;-) ;-) |
| 16:43:37 | jg | dneuer: MMA, GA, HS, see: http://www.sleepsurgery.com/ind_home.html |
| 16:43:45 | jg | cworth: I sure hope so... |
| 16:46:02 | bworth | jg: carl and i have been trying to hammer out an implementation for what you asked for (remote display) - just want your input while it's still in the rough planning stages |
| 16:46:30 | jg | bworth: 42, of course :-) |
| 16:46:53 | dneuer | jg: all 3 at once? |
| 16:46:57 | cworth | you can always count on JG for the right answer whenever you need it. :) |
| 16:47:06 | jg | dneuer: Yup. |
| 16:47:16 | jg | 5 1/2 hours.... |
| 16:47:29 | bworth | cworth: i won the bet, you said 41 |
| 16:47:45 | jg | dneuer: I've already had UPPP. |
| 16:49:34 | dneuer | jg: man |
| 16:50:35 | dneuer | jg: you in Cambridge? (I forget) |
| 16:51:14 | jg | bworth: Here's one plan: If you tap and hold the menu button, rather than just tap, it puts a dialog box with a list of display names to select from: you then tap to select, and it then puts up the regular menu to select. One of the entries is "enter new display name"; if that one is selected, put up a text dialog so we can stroke input. When dismissed, continue with the menu.... |
| 16:51:19 | jg | dneuer: Yes. |
| 16:52:07 | jg | dneuer: better than the current state. |
| 16:52:41 | dneuer | jg: can you ping andy c for me and ask him to respond to the mail I sent him about the ts stuff? |
| 16:53:15 | jg | dneuer: Haven't seen him today. Dunno where he is. When I was chatting with him yesterday, he said he was working on the ts driver.... |
| 16:53:39 | bworth | yes, we discussed that, or simply having a menu entry under the "config" branch of the menu tree that would bring up a list of previously selected servers and an entry box for a new server, with a checkbox that would make the change static (if not checked, it would apply to the next command only) |
| 16:54:16 | jg | tap and hold on the menu is more intuitive, if more obscure, to me... |
| 16:54:32 | bworth | jg: for the actual implementation, two config files, /etc/menu-env/temp and /etc/menu-env/static. These would contain environment variables to be read in ( name = value pairs ) before any gtk-menu app is started. /etc/menu-env/temp will be erased by gtk-menu after the app is started. |
| 16:55:56 | jg | seems reasonable, though writing to flash seems a problem. Also, there would be a race, if you make it file based.... |
| 16:56:01 | bworth | i think tap-hold should be implemented for config type entries, and could mirror the "config" tree, as well as having gtk-menu specific entries (toggle between drop-down/full screen menu, etc) |
| 16:56:31 | bworth | s/tree/branch/ |
| 16:56:44 | dneuer | jg: I know. I was planning a major rewrite of the ts driver and now I don't know if I should go forward |
| 16:57:54 | jg | dneuer: you should at least coordinate. I'll try to remember to tell him when I next see him. |
| 16:58:36 | fad | does famliar support gtk+? |
| 16:58:45 | bworth | jg: the other option was to use ipc messages, to pass the desired "display = ..." entry to gtk-menu, along with a static/temp flag |
| 16:59:33 | cworth | or, give up on trying to make it work with all menu-systems and just use the environment within gtk-menu. I like this the best for now. |
| 16:59:41 | jg | My thoughts were to build it into gtk-menu.... |
| 17:01:17 | fad | does the backlight go back on after restore from standby? |
| 17:05:36 | nikos | fad: gtk+ is in a familiar package, the backlight should return to previous state on wakeup. |
| 17:05:59 | jg | fad: and there have been bugs in this area. What are you running? |
| 17:06:39 | fad | currently fam .4 |
| 17:06:49 | fad | bit out of date actually been waiting for .5 |
| 17:06:53 | fad | but given up, im going for the prelease |
| 17:07:00 | fad | oh well, new bootloader flashed |
| 17:07:13 | bworth | jg, cworth: we could build it into gtk-menu. Do we want to design this as "standard" menu option, though, that other menu-apps could follow? If so, it might make sense to implement it as a display-picker "app" and a "standard" ipc message that other menu-apps could be tought to understand. |
| 17:07:54 | fad | is 2.15.6 latest bootloader? |
| 17:09:21 | nikos | fad: 2.15.6 should only be used for v0.5. |
| 17:09:46 | nikos | fad: It can be made to work with v0.4 certainly, but I'm not aware of any benefit of using it with v0.4. |
| 17:09:46 | jg | fad: yes, for the current instant.... |
| 17:10:00 | fad | nikos: yim upgrading to .5 now |
| 17:10:05 | fad | ah |
| 17:10:17 | fad | is it worth goign for 2.15.8? |
| 17:10:27 | nikos | fad: Be warned that v0.5 is very alpha as it stands. If you are interested in testing it, don't install it. It is not ready for general use. |
| 17:10:34 | nikos | oops |
| 17:10:38 | nikos | s/are/aren't/ |
| 17:10:38 | fad | erm |
| 17:10:40 | fad | ok |
| 17:10:56 | fad | nah, i my ipaq isnt mission critical |
| 17:11:02 | nikos | That's fine. |
| 17:11:09 | fad | is it worth foing for 2.15.8? |
| 17:11:31 | fad | and does 2.15.6 read the kernel off the file system? |
| 17:12:10 | jg | fad: yes, if told to... |
| 17:12:16 | fad | by default? |
| 17:12:27 | fad | eek, one final question. can i get it to show me on the ipaq's screen what is happening when it boots? |
| 17:13:14 | sgodsell | fad change the linuxargs, console |
| 17:13:20 | jg | fad: yes, if you set parameters to do so.... |
| 17:13:27 | fad | how? |
| 17:13:30 | fad | set linuxargs "noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock/2 init=/linuxrc console=ttySA0" |
| 17:13:38 | fad | erm, what is correct? |
| 17:14:00 | fad | i want it to show me the stuff on screen not ttySA0 - whats the device name for the screen? |
| 17:15:00 | fad | thanks sgodsell |
| 17:18:27 | sjohnson | is back (gone 02:10:32) |
| 17:37:57 | dneuer | jg: how does x set up its coordinate system? |
| 17:38:22 | cworth | a7r-: greetings |
| 17:38:26 | dneuer | jg: in other words, why is the coordinate system on the mono units backwards? |
| 17:38:28 | a7r- | cworth-: morning.. |
| 17:39:01 | dneuer | jg: I understand that the lcd is wired differently |
| 17:39:34 | jg | dneuer: 0,0 is upper left. Increasing to the right and down. |
| 17:39:52 | jg | dneuer: Usually, because the hardware is organized that way. |
| 17:40:07 | jg | dneuer: with randr, this isn't a big problem. |
| 17:40:31 | dneuer | jg: except for programs which access the fb directly (like sgodsell's) |
| 17:40:55 | dneuer | gotta go |
| 17:41:01 | jg | That's sgodsell's problem. |
| 17:41:23 | sgodsell | Well animations dont work well going through X |
| 17:41:27 | dneuer | bye all |
| 17:41:32 | sgodsell | Take care |
| 17:42:13 | nikos | a7r-: If you retrieved my mixer ipkg before 4PM yesterday I would recommend downloading it again, I found that I had left in some debugging printfs that I decided to remove and I updated the package. Nothing serious though. I didn't actually have a chance to check that volume control worked, but the mixer runs without trouble and I see no reason to think that it doesn't work fine. |
| 17:43:19 | a7r- | nikos: oh cool. |
| 17:44:01 | nikos | a7r-: For what it's worth, xjed seems to work fine also. |
| 17:48:01 | cworth | a7r: I'm seeking comments on the latest xstroke alphabet. Release is pending. ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/projects/xstroke/release-0.6/alphabet.ps |
| 17:50:03 | a7r- | cworth: cool. |
| 17:50:34 | mccarthy | nikos: would it make sense that my /etc/localtime file would confuse atd (since it looks at /dev/rtc)? |
| 17:51:08 | nikos | cworth: Looks good, an relatively easy way to enable and disable the nums and punc in letter mode would be nice. |
| 17:51:35 | nikos | mccarthy: I'm not familiar with atd, you need to talk to it's author nelson, I don't see why that would be the case though. |
| 17:52:04 | | nelson was last seen on #handhelds.org 13 hours, 56 minutes and 24 seconds ago, saying: No, I'm not going. Damn glad I have no travel plans for the next few months. [Fri Sep 14 04:55:40 2001] |
| 17:52:04 | mccarthy | ibot seen nelson? |
| 17:52:21 | mccarthy | oh well, I will email him |
| 17:52:24 | cworth | nikos: is lopping off the last half of /etc/xstroke/alphabet easy enough ? ;-) |
| 17:52:27 | nikos | cworth: The one thing I've noticed from the xstroke in v0.5 from yesterday is that the dock indicator is a bit subtle. |
| 17:52:34 | mccarthy | is atd to be included in 0.5? |
| 17:52:50 | nikos | cworth: No, then it's hard to replace it. But I cguess I can maintain 2 copies of the file. ;) No biggy. |
| 17:53:09 | sjohnson | cworth: It looks excellent. A great mixture of the old xstroke and graffity like syntax. |
| 17:53:17 | cworth | nikos: yes, on/off with brightness is way too subtle. I'm interested if anyone wants draw icons. |
| 17:53:41 | nikos | cworth: I'm not great, but if you can give some idea of what you would like I would be happy to try. |
| 17:53:58 | nikos | cworth: My younger brother is a pretty good artist on some days. |
| 17:54:15 | cworth | oh, yes, the .ps doesn't show it, but you can still do capitals with the little backtracking trick if you'd like. And there is a Grafitti-style CapsLock, (2 shifts in a row), as well. |
| 17:54:36 | nikos | cworth: sounds great |
| 17:56:24 | nikos | cworth: I think just changing the background color (red and green) would be nice. |
| 17:57:04 | nikos | cworth: Otherwise I would do something like a pencil and a pencil with a crossed out circle I guess. |
| 17:58:44 | jg | nikos: Or the symbol alpha, and a pointer icon... |
| 17:59:06 | cworth | nikos: yeah, something like that. Trick is that you have to display mode, (abc vs. 123 vx. !@#) in addition to enabled/disabled now. |
| 17:59:17 | nikos | cworth: Ah yes, true. |
| 18:06:48 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 10:43:07) |
| 19:03:27 | sjohnson | Hmm. Travelocity is no longer has e-tickets as an option. |
| 19:13:05 | nikos | sjohnson: Yep, no e-tickets anymore. |
| 19:13:28 | nikos | sjohnson: I didn't realize that was even an option and payed for tickets to be fedexed to me. |
| 19:19:18 | sjohnson | Grumble, grumble. I might as well start using a travel agent again. |
| 19:21:01 | sjohnson | Aha! No, it's Americam Airlines that isn't doing e-tickets. |
| 19:26:02 | nikos | sjohnson: I could be wrong, but I'm almost sure that the FAA has mandated no e-tickets. Maybe you just have to pickup a printed out ticket now at the desk. |
| 19:31:22 | sjohnson | nikos: The new FAA reg require a reciept, faxed itenarary, and something else I can't remember. |
| 19:32:58 | nikos | sjohnson: Ah, OK. |
| 19:33:54 | a7r | re.. |
| 19:41:46 | sjohnson | nikos: An e-ticket will not be as convienvent for me this trip. I plan on checking one piece of baggage. |
| 19:42:41 | nikos | sjohnson: Shows how little I know. Didn |
| 19:42:52 | nikos | sjohnson: I didn't realize baggage had anything to do with it. |
| 19:45:40 | sjohnson | I usually travel very light. Two pieces of carry on baggage. I went straight to the gate. And I never had wait in the baggage area to get my luggage after the flight. |
| 19:46:14 | sjohnson | And my luggage couldn't get lost or man-handled my the airlines. :) |
| 19:47:21 | cworth | a7r: helio |
| 19:48:31 | a7r | cworth: re.. |
| 19:48:33 | a7r | how's it? |
| 19:49:14 | nikos | sjohnson: True, I think I will have at least one piece to check as well. |
| 19:49:26 | mandrake | a7r: figure out my problem yet? :) |
| 19:49:32 | cworth | a7r: good, putting 0.5 back on now that demo-time has passed. |
| 19:49:47 | cworth | a7r: about to try out the new RandR support in xstroke. |
| 19:49:53 | a7r | mandrake: last I heard Brian was looking at it.. |
| 19:49:54 | a7r | cworth: cool. |
| 19:50:04 | mandrake | is about to load 0.4 back on his ipaq so that he can have audio working again |
| 19:50:44 | sjohnson | mandrake: Drop back to the 2.4.6 kernel. No need to go all of the way back. |
| 19:50:55 | mandrake | sjohnson: it dumps core, too |
| 19:50:56 | mandrake | er |
| 19:50:58 | mandrake | oopses |
| 19:51:08 | mandrake | the audio driver above 2.4.3 gives me nice fat oopses |
| 19:51:12 | cworth | a7r: heh... good thing we don't run WEP here anymore: # vi |
| 19:51:29 | | mandrake: huh? |
| 19:51:29 | mandrake | ibot: flite binary |
| 19:51:36 | | mandrake: i haven't a clue |
| 19:51:36 | mandrake | ibot: flite arm binary? |
| 19:51:40 | | flite is http://www.cmuflite.org/ |
| 19:51:40 | mandrake | ibot: flite? |
| 19:51:51 | a7r | cworth: Yup, it's on my list. |
| 19:51:57 | | okay, mandrake. |
| 19:51:57 | mandrake | ibot: flite is also at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/flite |
| 19:52:25 | nikos | mandrake: FYI, ibot also has a search command that will search for substrings of keys. |
| 19:52:31 | cworth | a7r: no worries. :) I've got DHCP and no WEP, so I'm plug-and-play with my 802.11. |
| 19:52:34 | a7r | cworth: I'm not entirely sure why vi, and pppd, aren't in the bootstrap. |
| 19:52:44 | a7r | cworth: I'm plug-and-play as well, so I didn't notice. |
| 19:53:01 | mandrake | nikos: to my knowledge, infobot does not do that |
| 19:53:15 | mandrake | (friend of mine wrote infobot) |
| 19:53:20 | nikos | ibot: search for flite |
| 19:53:38 | cworth | Oh, I think it's time for busybox too... Previously, I had thought we would have to wait until I gave us Provides, (which still would be nice). But I realized that busbybox will be quite easy by simply using update-alternatives with a low priority to manage the links. |
| 19:53:41 | nikos | mandrake: He absolutely does, he replies directly to you and not on channel. Try it. |
| 19:53:41 | mandrake | search typically will be a google plugin if issued as an operative |
| 19:53:50 | nikos | mandrake: google is search google for |
| 19:53:55 | nikos | ibot: search google for flite |
| 19:53:58 | | nikos: Google can't find flite |
| 19:54:02 | mandrake | hrmm |
| 19:54:10 | mandrake | I've never seen that module |
| 19:54:12 | nikos | ibot: search google for water |
| 19:54:15 | | nikos: Google can't find water |
| 19:54:26 | nikos | mandrake: Sometimes the google thing doesn't work for some reason. |
| 19:54:40 | mandrake | I'm online via dialup today |
| 19:54:45 | mandrake | yum yum |
| 19:54:47 | a7r | cworth: I'm still not convinced about busybox.. |
| 19:54:58 | a7r | cworth: it' |
| 19:55:05 | a7r | s a little too monolithic for my tastes... |
| 19:55:12 | a7r | I need to see some convincing numbers first. |
| 19:55:21 | cworth | a7r: I don't think there's anything to lose... you can still install all of its replacements and nuke it if you prefer. |
| 19:55:38 | cworth | a7r: yeah, I'll try to put something together sometime soon. |
| 19:55:57 | a7r | cworth: you can install the replacements, but then you overlap the functionality that busybox provides, unless you install everything, and then remove it. |
| 19:56:13 | a7r | if the numbers are good enough, I'll just say fuck it, but I want to see numbers. |
| 19:56:25 | sjohnson | a7r: When I looked at it a couple of months again. If one went to full tilt, my calculations should about 1.2 MB in savings. |
| 19:56:56 | cworth | a7r: right. the monolithic thing is a problem. Unless someone simply makes 2^N different busybox packages for us. ;-) ;-) ;-) |
| 19:57:03 | a7r | cworth: exactly. |
| 19:57:22 | a7r | sjohnson: 1.2 MB of uncompressed space? |
| 19:57:29 | a7r | or compressed space. |
| 19:57:38 | mandrake | cworth: incidentally, I intend to have the menu in my desktop to be internal - in fact I've almost finished all of that code. |
| 19:57:53 | mandrake | instead of docking gtk-menu (which I dislike) |
| 19:58:05 | sjohnson | a7r: Yes. That was comparing file sizes of replaced programs to the busbusy box binary. |
| 19:58:12 | mandrake | considering that I would like to run this without requiring gtk+ |
| 19:58:16 | cworth | mandrake: whatever suits you I guess... |
| 19:58:28 | a7r | sjohnson: hrm, decompressed space doesn't mean too much. |
| 19:58:29 | cworth | mandrake: is ePAQ Xlib-only? |
| 19:58:38 | a7r | sjohnson: but I'd still like to look at it. |
| 19:58:49 | mandrake | cworth: requires libpng, potentially will also require libjpeg |
| 19:59:14 | sjohnson | a7r: No that I have two ipaqs. I may take another stab at busybox again. |
| 19:59:15 | cworth | mandrake: sounds very nice. Maybe I'll steal your menu widget for xstroke, (I was about to write one myself). |
| 19:59:27 | mandrake | I am currently trying to figure out the differences between the major revs of freetype since a7r says we've already got one |
| 19:59:27 | cworth | mandrake: I'm half-tempted to write my own toolkit. |
| 19:59:40 | a7r | mandrake: it's mainly the API. |
| 19:59:40 | edwardam | is back (gone 15:15:05) |
| 19:59:57 | mandrake | I've got no fonts currently in my demo |
| 20:00:02 | mandrake | so it's kinda difficult to use :) |
| 20:00:09 | a7r | got screenshots? |
| 20:00:11 | mandrake | but I've also gotten rid of the mouse cursor |
| 20:00:23 | nikos | mandrake: I applaud that. At least I think I do. |
| 20:00:48 | mandrake | because with a touch screen you don't really need a mouse cursor (you know where your pointer is because you're holding a stick up to the screen) |
| 20:00:51 | cworth | mandrake: yes, we don't need no steeeking cursor. |
| 20:01:13 | mandrake | I'm going to add some wraparound for putting up a cursor while you're xcalibrating |
| 20:01:19 | mandrake | so you know how off you are |
| 20:01:30 | mandrake | because maybe that is useful |
| 20:01:40 | sjohnson | mandrake: You might want to make that an option. Occationally I like the cursor,especially when I'm trying to calibrate. |
| 20:01:41 | cworth | mandrake: actually, I would prefer not having the cursor on for xcalibrate... |
| 20:01:42 | floood | Hello! |
| 20:02:08 | mandrake | a7r: hold on, currently building on my laptop |
| 20:02:13 | mandrake | I'm running everything out of Xnest |
| 20:02:21 | cworth | mandrake: I find myself instinctively moving the cursor to match the crosshair after tapping if it is already close. |
| 20:02:47 | cworth | mandrake: you've read my comments on wiki/ePAQ I presume? |
| 20:02:47 | floood | Is there someone using Kernel 2.4.7? |
| 20:03:08 | a7r | floood: yes. |
| 20:03:11 | mandrake | cworth: yeah. reading now |
| 20:03:22 | mandrake | I've been offline due to the manhattan thing since last night |
| 20:03:33 | mandrake | the generators at my isp went down at the pop |
| 20:03:39 | mandrake | so I'm on dialup today |
| 20:03:41 | floood | a7r: Do you have the same problem as me: suspend/resume leaves my display dark? |
| 20:03:43 | mandrake | until they fix it anyways |
| 20:03:57 | a7r | floood: yup, known issue.. it'll be fixed this weekend. |
| 20:04:10 | floood | a7r: But IT IS fixed! |
| 20:04:34 | floood | a7r: Do you read the familiar@handhelds.org ML? |
| 20:04:34 | sgodsell | If you have -hh5 it is fixed |
| 20:04:39 | a7r | floood: I haven't BUILT NEW IMAGES! |
| 20:04:42 | a7r | ;) |
| 20:04:44 | a7r | all this caps. |
| 20:04:57 | floood | sgodsell: But where can I get that working kernel? |
| 20:05:09 | floood | a7r: ? |
| 20:05:12 | EGg0 | is away: (taking a bicycle ride to forget the whole afair) |
| 20:05:28 | a7r | floood: lothlorien has new ipks.. and I'm releasing a new v0.5 bootstrap with the fix this weekend. |
| 20:06:23 | mattzz | guten abend ;) |
| 20:06:31 | floood | a7r: Aha! YOU'RE THE ONE! :-) |
| 20:07:12 | a7r | floood: YES! Andy fixed the kernel, he built up a new one, but the kernel in the v0.5 images is still busted. |
| 20:07:24 | floood | a7r: Wouldn't it be enough if you'd send me just the image? |
| 20:07:39 | a7r | floood: I haven't made the image yet. |
| 20:08:28 | floood | a7r: ? But how can you work with your iPAQ if you don't have the fixed kernel? |
| 20:08:54 | a7r | floood: I just don't suspend it right now.. |
| 20:08:56 | cworth | floood don't suspend. |
| 20:09:08 | cworth | floood: or copy the new kernel onto your machine... |
| 20:09:11 | floood | You know, there is somebody I have to present the iPAQ running Linux tomorrow! |
| 20:09:27 | floood | a7r/cworth: Just like me. |
| 20:09:27 | nikos | floood: v0.5 is a testing release, it is not for general use. |
| 20:09:28 | a7r | floood: Then you should be running a stable release! |
| 20:09:34 | floood | nikos: I know. |
| 20:09:37 | nikos | floood: v0.5 as it stands I mean. |
| 20:10:03 | mattzz | a7r: is it a known problem that pppd fails after suspend? |
| 20:10:10 | floood | a7r: But my WLAN card works only with 0.5 and I updated it mainly for my 3c574 |
| 20:10:12 | a7r | mattzz: no, what's the issue? |
| 20:10:26 | floood | a7r: ... which still doesn't work. |
| 20:10:27 | a7r | floood: OKay, then grab the latest kernel that Andy built, and make it work. |
| 20:10:48 | mattzz | a7r: hm, just that i mentioned it - it works again... argh |
| 20:11:07 | floood | a7r: Where can I get it? |
| 20:12:47 | mattzz | a7r: i had to reset it to make ppp-connection work again - suspend-messages via minicom-console were still working. but this behaviour seems not to be reproducable right away |
| 20:23:35 | mattzz | what modules do i have to load in /linuxrc to mount a cf-card at boot time? |
| 20:24:22 | edwardam | is away: Gotta Go, gotta go.... |
| 20:24:36 | edwardam | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 20:28:20 | nikos | [OT] Stupid question, is dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/fd0 bs=1204 count=1475 conv=sync ; sync sufficient to ensure that a disk is blank? |
| 20:28:45 | nikos | hmm, that didn't seem to work |
| 20:29:03 | mattzz | nikos: if=/dev/zero |
| 20:29:09 | nikos | ah thanks. |
| 20:30:22 | Nexs | any recommendations on a good place to pick up an ipaq? |
| 20:30:36 | mattzz | ebay? |
| 20:31:07 | Nexs | last time i ordered something on ebay it ended up being smashed and non-functioning |
| 20:31:15 | Nexs | gave me a real bad impression of the place |
| 20:31:51 | mattzz | sold and bought a few thing on ebay and never really had problems |
| 20:33:41 | a7r | I just got a new sampler off of eBay.. got a good deal. |
| 20:35:16 | mattzz | anybody knows how to mount a cf-card at boot time? |
| 20:37:27 | a7r | mattzz: look at the information about how Intimate boots. |
| 20:39:40 | mattzz | a7r: I put all the modules needed for that from the intimate-linuxrc in my linuxrc - but this is devfs now. |
| 20:42:27 | DragonEagle | is away: bbiaw |
| 20:42:50 | mattzz | a7r: what is h3600_backpaq needed for? |
| 20:43:28 | mandrake | drivers for the sleeve |
| 20:43:43 | nikos | No, I don't think so. |
| 20:43:55 | nikos | That's stuff for the Project Mercury device, not anything any of us need. |
| 20:44:19 | mattzz | mandrake: do i need this to for a cf-card-jacket? |
| 20:46:31 | Nexs | hmm no good deals on ebay right now |
| 20:46:36 | Nexs | pick up cheaper off pricewatch |
| 20:46:40 | Nexs | err pick em up |
| 20:48:35 | nikos | mattzz: ipkg info backpaq-modules-2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs |
| 20:48:57 | mattzz | nikos: ok, thanks |
| 20:57:57 | mattzz | so as I understand it, backpaq is a special hardware, right? this has nothing to do with a simple cf-card? |
| 20:58:23 | sjohnson | mattzz: Yes. That is correct. |
| 21:00:49 | sgodsell | is away: bbiaw |
| 21:10:54 | fad | can someone send me libjpeg for arm/ipaq? |
| 21:11:07 | fad | erm forget dont worry |
| 21:13:14 | nikos | fad: It's in an ipkg |
| 21:18:38 | EGg0 | is back (gone 05:59:27) |
| 21:23:46 | fad | nikos: im hating this kernel |
| 21:23:52 | fad | it wont awake from standy |
| 21:27:37 | prpplague | anyone here working on sa-1100 based systems other than the ipaq? |
| 21:29:41 | floood | cu |
| 21:40:07 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 00:57:39) |
| 21:59:06 | | mattzz: huh? |
| 21:59:06 | mattzz | ibot: cardmgr |
| 21:59:16 | mattzz | cardmgr[40]: starting, version is 3.1.20 |
| 21:59:16 | mattzz | cardmgr[40]: watching 2 sockets |
| 21:59:16 | mattzz | cardmgr[40]: Card Services release does not match |
| 21:59:16 | mattzz | cardmgr[40]: exiting |
| 21:59:22 | mattzz | any clue? |
| 22:04:10 | coqueiro | hey |
| 22:04:32 | coqueiro | does anybody knows where can I get the Xmahjongg ipk ? |
| 22:04:44 | coqueiro | or any working binary? |
| 22:07:26 | coqueiro | I found some comments on the handhelds.org wikki page, but there are no links |
| 22:35:16 | pattieja | is away: home |
| 23:32:04 | coqueiro | hey |
| 23:32:24 | coqueiro | I'm trying to make a USB connection between iPAQ and my computer |
| 23:32:38 | coqueiro | I followed http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking and so far, it doesn't work |
| 23:33:26 | coqueiro | On the iPAQ, when I set the interface usbf UP, I get "Ignoring unknown interface usbf=usbf", what is it? |
| 23:33:49 | coqueiro | Is this ok, or is because of this that the whole thing doesn't work? |
| 23:35:12 | coqueiro | Well, I'll ask on #ipaq, maybe I get lucky :) |