| 00:13:35 | Disconnect | notes that "should" work and "does" work are dramatically diff't things (witness ide-floppy vs clik drive) |
| 01:29:19 | jg_ | a7r: evening |
| 01:29:47 | a7r | jg_: hey.. how's your Friday? |
| 01:30:09 | jg_ | so so.... |
| 01:31:18 | jg_ | took the day off, and spent most of it on randomness like fighting with evolution, and babysitting... |
| 01:31:31 | a7r | ahh. |
| 01:31:42 | a7r | spent today working on level 1 bugs for random customers. |
| 01:31:56 | a7r | now I'm crashing, and hacking on OpenBSD power management.. |
| 01:31:58 | jg_ | pesky people, customers.... |
| 01:32:00 | a7r | yeah. |
| 01:32:14 | jg_ | what's crashing? |
| 01:32:14 | a7r | I also wish this X server did more than 8 bpp. :P |
| 01:32:35 | a7r | is veging out in front of the TV, w/ the laptop. |
| 01:32:39 | jg_ | stone age display, eh? |
| 01:33:25 | a7r | nah, it's a current ATI Mobility Rage, but OBSD is just less than beta on powerpc. |
| 01:33:29 | a7r | especially laptops. |
| 01:33:56 | jg_ | give up on OBSD, if one wants UI... |
| 01:34:01 | sgodsell_nb | is away: With the wife! |
| 01:34:06 | a7r | haha. :) it's my baby. |
| 01:34:20 | jg_ | your baby? |
| 01:35:06 | a7r | I hack on it a bunch.. |
| 01:35:26 | jg_ | a7r: how goes the battle of the dependencies? |
| 01:36:24 | a7r | jg_: goes good. I need to go through GNATS and double check some stuff. |
| 01:36:59 | jg_ | let me know when you want me to do a fresh install... |
| 01:37:29 | a7r | Yeah, I'll have some new images based off of Jamey's new kernel builds tonight as well.. |
| 01:38:25 | a7r | I'm going to show it off at a LUG meeting tomorrow.. |
| 01:38:32 | jg_ | OK. I started hacking on changes to the scripts so that when you plug in a card, you'll get told its address, etc... It is very frustrating to be using the serial port, and have no way to find out what to ssh to... |
| 01:39:42 | jg_ | a7r: looks like people have finally started to hack on mingle... |
| 01:40:22 | a7r | jg_: you mean the export and import talk that's been going on? |
| 01:40:52 | jg_ | a7r: yeah, and the guy hacking on a calendar app... |
| 01:43:02 | a7r | nod. |
| 01:43:40 | jg_ | I should try to get TimBL involved again.... |
| 01:44:31 | a7r | Yeah.. I'd be up for some discussion on the lower level stuff that I'm working on. |
| 01:44:41 | a7r | v0.1 is going to be really Python specific.. |
| 01:45:15 | jg_ | a7r: That's ok: TimBL is Python hacking as well... |
| 01:45:22 | a7r | jg_: rad. |
| 01:47:08 | jg_ | also, beware that mandrake wants to hack some on gtk to make it more handheld friendly. |
| 01:47:15 | jg_ | ls |
| 01:48:26 | jg_ | jacques:hi |
| 01:48:52 | jacques | hi :-) |
| 01:49:01 | jg_ | how goes the battle? |
| 01:49:42 | jacques | hmm, well I've been positively lazy ipaq-wise lately |
| 01:50:25 | jg_ | so what is the current state? |
| 01:50:26 | jacques | :-\ |
| 01:51:25 | jacques | it seems that familiar 0.5 is going to be using baseline package versions from debian unstable? |
| 01:51:49 | a7r | yup. |
| 01:52:08 | EGg0 | a7r: are you using the standard dbm interface? |
| 01:52:57 | a7r | EGg0: bdb |
| 01:53:18 | jg_ | I need to go to sleep: I swam a mile today, and my eyes are positively drooping.... |
| 01:54:02 | a7r | jg_: sleep good. |
| 01:54:07 | jg_ | good night all... |
| 01:54:09 | a7r | later. |
| 01:54:15 | a7r | needs to dig up some grub. |
| 01:54:46 | derrell | a7r: will you be back in a while? i have a driver question |
| 01:55:10 | a7r | derrell: yup. |
| 01:55:23 | derrell | i'll try you in about 30 minutes, if you think you'll be back then. |
| 02:34:43 | derrell | a7r: are you back? |
| 02:40:28 | a7r | derrell: I'm drifting in and out.. what's up? |
| 02:41:42 | derrell | i'm trying to debug the problem with my ibm pcmcia ethernet card. i need some info on the interaction between cardmgr and the driver, i think. where is the base address determined? |
| 02:42:00 | derrell | (did you see my message to the list earlier?) |
| 02:43:47 | a7r | derrell: no,.. what kind of error are you having? |
| 02:45:04 | derrell | well the first error is "pcnet_reset_8390() did not complete" which happens when the reset command has been sent the card but the reset bit is never cleared within 100 times through the following loop. i then does |
| 02:45:17 | derrell | all kinds of other stuff that indicates that the driver just isn't properly talking to the card. |
| 02:50:38 | a7r | yeah.. there's a lot of that bullshit happening right now.. which kernel, 2.4.7? |
| 02:50:56 | derrell | familiar 0.5. is that 2.4.7? |
| 02:51:15 | a7r | yes. |
| 02:51:25 | derrell | uname -a says 2.4.7. |
| 02:52:02 | derrell | there are numerous DEBUG statements in the pcnet_cs driver. do you know how i can enable those? |
| 02:52:11 | a7r | are they #ifdef'ed? |
| 02:52:28 | derrell | the DEBUG macro itself may be, but the usage of it is not. |
| 02:53:04 | a7r | let me rephrase, is it a compile time or a run time option? |
| 02:53:26 | derrell | just to make sure i'm not going off in the wrong direction... confirm my understanding... I *should* be able to just plug in this card with no changes to userland config files, and it *should* just work, right? |
| 02:53:54 | a7r | yup. |
| 02:54:36 | derrell | i don't know if it's compile time or run time. the statements are like DEBUG(0, "pcnet_attach()\n") so it looks like there's a debug level (0) and a something to print. i'll have to find the macro definition to know if it's compiled in. |
| 02:57:23 | derrell | ok, i just found where pcnet_attach() registers with card services. i still don't see where the base address of the card gets set. |
| 02:57:41 | derrell | (or, more accurately, where it gets determined) |
| 03:32:28 | mibus | do all CF storage cards 'just work', or are there certain ones you should/shouldnt buy? |
| 03:32:55 | a7r | they should all just work. |
| 03:33:09 | mibus | thanks |
| 03:38:42 | derrell | a7r: what io address range is reasonable to find a pcmcia card at? |
| 03:40:10 | a7r | derrell: anywhere you'd see something ISA.. what're you seeing? |
| 03:40:28 | derrell | 0xf7000300 |
| 03:41:27 | a7r | that seems wrong. |
| 03:41:34 | derrell | seems WAY too high, yes? |
| 03:43:15 | a7r | yup. |
| 03:44:43 | derrell | there are two places in here where it sets the io address. one is getting it from someplace that i haven't yet determined; the other is looping for (j=0; j<0x400; j+=0x20) { base = j ^ 0x300; } strange. |
| 03:46:55 | derrell | well, i think it just became a problem for another day. too tired to concentrate. thanks for your help! |
| 06:04:10 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 08:51:42) |
| 06:30:13 | DragonEagle | is away: night |
| 10:24:08 | flood | Hello! |
| 10:24:42 | flood | What means "Card Services release does not match"? |
| 11:28:37 | Lomax | morning. got trouble with xmodem uploads when doing "load kernel" and "load root" with familiar 0.4, works like every third time or something like that. anyone got a clue what the problem could be? |
| 11:28:59 | Lomax | (from a redhat 6.2 box with minicom btw. ) |
| 12:05:02 | be0wulfes | can anyone help me with my connection to ipaq? |
| 12:05:09 | be0wulfes | i used to have a internet connection with it |
| 12:05:21 | be0wulfes | but i rebooted my host laptop and now i dont know my route setting anymore |
| 12:05:22 | be0wulfes | .. |
| 12:05:24 | be0wulfes | pls help |
| 12:23:32 | Lomax | what os are you running on the laptop? |
| 12:24:45 | be0wulfes | linux |
| 12:24:54 | be0wulfes | i think i setup some route earlier |
| 12:25:02 | be0wulfes | maybe i should reboot the ipaq |
| 12:25:09 | be0wulfes | serial connection |
| 12:25:18 | be0wulfes | i have a pppd connection to it |
| 12:25:21 | Lomax | allways worth a try :) |
| 12:25:23 | be0wulfes | this seems to work fine |
| 12:25:28 | be0wulfes | nahhhh |
| 12:25:32 | be0wulfes | this is linux |
| 12:29:16 | Lomax | wonders how he should get dns lookups to work on the ipaq. gosh.... |
| 12:38:24 | be0wulfes | why not resolv.conf/nsswitch.conf |
| 12:39:03 | Lomax | well, the problem is that im new to all this gateway/firewall stuff to. so things are a bit messy :) |
| 12:40:57 | Lomax | but if tcp networking is working fine, ie, i can ping anything with an ipadress, then i just need to add a dns in resolv.conf, right? |
| 13:40:21 | be0wulfes | yes |
| 13:50:22 | derrell | i'm having trouble getting forwarding working for my ppp connection to the ipaq. can anyone help? |
| 13:51:30 | Lomax | well i just got it all working, even with dns lookups, i might give you some assistance :) |
| 13:52:36 | derrell | great! i've set up ppp per the instructions in the PPPHowto, with the exception of using 192.168.0 instead of 192.168.1 (since my local lan is 192.168.1). i can ping the ipaq from the host to which it's directly connected, but i can't ping the host from the ipaq, and i can't ping the ipaq from any other host. |
| 13:53:17 | Lomax | strange that you cant ping the host from the ipaq? |
| 13:53:53 | derrell | correction. i CAN ping the host from the ipaq. i was entering the wrong address. so problem is setting up the host to correctly forward to the lan. |
| 13:54:56 | derrell | i did 'echo "1" > ip_forward already |
| 13:55:13 | Lomax | hmm, you cant ping an ip-adress from the internet |
| 13:55:36 | Lomax | on the ipaq, have you added defaultroute to /etc/ppp/options |
| 13:55:41 | derrell | i can't even ping an ip-address on my lan. the only host i can ping is the one directly connected. |
| 13:56:03 | derrell | yes defaultroute is in the options file. |
| 13:57:16 | Lomax | checks his config files. hes new to all this gateway stuff |
| 13:57:41 | derrell | this is almost certainly a problem with the config on the host, not the ipaq. |
| 13:59:54 | Lomax | and the ipaqs subnet is added to ipchains? |
| 14:00:21 | derrell | ipchains isn't in use on that host. it's a local host on the lan, not a firewall. |
| 14:00:31 | Lomax | oh :) |
| 14:00:48 | Lomax | im very new to linux gateways and firewalls, my first setup ever ;-) |
| 14:01:33 | derrell | i've dealt with this kind of thing before, and i thought i had a good handle on it, but this one is stumping me. |
| 14:06:01 | Lomax | i guess you have added the ipaqs net to the route table to |
| 14:06:41 | derrell | i think i was being stupid. hold on... |
| 14:10:04 | derrell | ok, it's working. i hadn't configured the lan's gateway to know about the ipaq's subnet. dumb. dumb. dumb. |
| 14:10:18 | Lomax | :) |
| 14:10:43 | derrell | thanks. time to download some packages. ttyl. |
| 14:10:49 | Lomax | gl |
| 14:49:30 | derrell | help please. i installed task-familiar-complete. now when i boot, it gives me an empty frame with no apparent way to do anything, and the serial connection no longer works. (appears to be wrong baud rate or something, but i can't find any setting that works) |
| 14:53:26 | derrell | disregard. there appears to be a bad connection to the serial cradle. |
| 15:31:36 | flood | Hello sgodsell |
| 15:50:21 | sgodsell | is back (gone 18:39:09) |
| 15:50:31 | sgodsell | Hello |
| 15:51:20 | mattzz | hi sgodsell |
| 15:51:33 | sgodsell | Hello mattzz, how are you? |
| 15:52:05 | mattzz | sgodsell: fine, thanx. just trying to find out if theres some new kernel |
| 15:52:31 | sgodsell | like 2.4.9 or 2.4.7-x-hh6 |
| 15:53:07 | mattzz | sgodsell: in 2.4.7 there is a module missing for irda |
| 15:53:24 | mattzz | is there a hh6 available? |
| 15:54:16 | sgodsell | There is! |
| 15:54:27 | mattzz | in the lorien feed? |
| 15:54:34 | sgodsell | ftp://lorien.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/2.4.7/ |
| 15:54:54 | mattzz | you saved my evening ;-) |
| 15:54:59 | sgodsell | I always build my own anyway, from cvs |
| 15:55:11 | sgodsell | saved your evening? how? |
| 15:55:44 | mattzz | i wanted to connect my pc to the ipaq via irda |
| 15:56:34 | mattzz | i hope thats possible with hh6 now |
| 15:57:02 | sgodsell | mattzz: why irda to the PC? Test purposes? |
| 15:57:17 | sgodsell | I can understand to a notebook |
| 15:57:21 | sgodsell | Hello sjohnson |
| 15:57:40 | sjohnson | sgodsell: Howdy |
| 15:57:56 | mattzz | sgodsell: just for fun, i have a irda-receiver for my pc-box |
| 16:00:34 | sgodsell | So what are you up to sjohnson? |
| 16:01:20 | sjohnson | nothing much, just got up and watched my satuday anime fix. |
| 16:02:26 | sjohnson | But I didn't get wlan 0.1.9 packaged up and put into my feed |
| 16:02:39 | sjohnson | s/didn't/did/ |
| 16:02:58 | sjohnson | is still not fully conscience yet. |
| 16:03:05 | | sgodsell: excuse me? |
| 16:03:05 | sgodsell | ibot sjohnson |
| 16:03:15 | | well, sjohnson feed is http://handhelds.org/~sjohnson/feed/ |
| 16:03:15 | sgodsell | ibot sjohnson feed |
| 16:04:00 | sjohnson | I changed the naming scheme. It now just wlan-ng + kernel version. |
| 16:05:56 | sgodsell | Good, so what change in wlan-ng? anything? |
| 16:06:08 | sgodsell | s/change/changed |
| 16:06:39 | flood | I HAVE to edit /etc/pcmcia/wireless till it works! |
| 16:07:05 | sjohnson | I don't know. It's a newer version bit I've got the ad_hoc mode, monitor mode and wireless extensions patches in also. |
| 16:07:19 | sjohnson | s/bit/but/ |
| 16:07:54 | sgodsell | Oh so we can connect to wireless handhelds up now, without an Access Point, right? |
| 16:08:03 | flood | in" but "$ACTION" is always empty |
| 16:08:20 | sgodsell | s/to/2 |
| 16:08:43 | sjohnson | flood: The cardmgr calls those scripts when the WLAN cad is inserted. |
| 16:09:22 | sjohnson | sgodsell: ad_hoc yes. But the firmware in the card was to be at a certain level. The firmware in my card is too old. |
| 16:09:28 | flood | to $1 and add a "start" to the ./wireless in network |
| 16:10:09 | sjohnson | flood: You don't have to do that. The wireless script is called from the network script. |
| 16:10:46 | flood | is always empty! It should be set to "start" |
| 16:10:52 | sjohnson | flood: If you are having to edit any file except the *.opts then somehting is not right. |
| 16:11:08 | flood | sjohnson: Thats what I say! :-) |
| 16:14:01 | flood | sjohnson: When I plug in my "ELSA AirLancer MC-11" then the network-script is executed, but no iwconfig-stuff will be set. |
| 16:15:11 | sjohnson | flood: Are the appropriate modules being insmod'ed by cardmgr? You should see then on the serial console. |
| 16:15:34 | flood | sjohnson: Sure wvlan_cs and so on. |
| 16:15:44 | flood | sjohnson: I can do the iwconfig stuff by my own. |
| 16:16:07 | sjohnson | flood: Have you edited the wireless.opts file for your iwconfig settings? |
| 16:16:10 | flood | sjohnson: If I'm quick enough typing in the "iwconfig lines" the DHCP works. |
| 16:16:14 | flood | sjohnson: yes |
| 16:17:15 | sjohnson | the wireless script is supposed to set the iwconfig options. |
| 16:17:21 | flood | sjohnson: Fuck (sorry) I have to remove the lines "*,*,*,*)" from wireless.opts... |
| 16:18:19 | sjohnson | flood: That is the default case. that is where your settings should go. Use the other case statements in wireless.opts as examples. |
| 16:19:19 | sjohnson | is away: BRB |
| 16:19:20 | flood | sjohnson: Yes "NOTE : Remove the following four lines to activate the samples below ..." |
| 16:25:38 | sjohnson | is back (gone 00:06:18) |
| 16:43:46 | pattieja | is back (gone 18:08:25) |
| 17:48:41 | sjohnson | is away: I've lost my mind, and I've gone to look for it... |
| 17:57:42 | sgodsell | is away: I got to go! |
| 18:20:35 | Flood | ARGH! |
| 18:21:07 | Flood | "h3600_flite_power: timeout" |
| 18:28:30 | Flood | Is there somebody out there? |
| 18:52:34 | pattieja | hello Flood |
| 18:58:51 | Flood | hello |
| 20:08:18 | Floood | Is there someone using 2.4.7? |
| 20:30:34 | Floood | What is the latest bootldr? |
| 20:32:07 | gmkp | There is 2.15.6 in 0.5pre |
| 20:32:33 | Floood | What about 2.15.14? |
| 20:33:02 | gmkp | Floood: I don't know if there is one; you can look around in the cvs I suppose. |
| 20:34:39 | Floood | There are so many different trees. I can't figure out which distribution/directory/packages/bootldr/kernel to use. |
| 20:35:27 | Floood | I installed 2.4.7, but it won't boot "JFFS2: ..."! So I thought it has something to do with the bootloader. |
| 21:07:21 | SleepingDragon | is away: just away |
| 21:07:37 | SleepingDragon | is back (gone 00:00:03) |
| 21:48:08 | Floood | Hello! |
| 21:58:20 | DragonEagle | is away: admiring new car |
| 22:27:04 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 00:28:44) |
| 23:27:26 | DragonEagle | is away: just away |