| 00:00:45 | Disconnect | back now |
| 00:01:06 | Disconnect | Zaerc: that was the other thing I was trying to remember. He brought back a bottle of "Black Magic" .. interesting stuff ;) |
| 00:03:43 | volkam | heh |
| 00:09:09 | Zaerc | hmm doesn't ring any bell's |
| 00:09:40 | Zaerc | I'll ask a friend who works in a so called ``smart-shop'' |
| 00:09:44 | Disconnect | its some licoroush (spelling sucks) alcohol. tastes like a good&plenty. |
| 00:09:46 | Zaerc | maybe he knows |
| 00:10:12 | Zaerc | ah, i see what you mean |
| 00:35:04 | Zaerc | few that was quit some hassle |
| 00:45:19 | Zaerc | on the other hand, installing 6 ipkgs wasn't that hard ;^) |
| 00:46:12 | Disconnect | usually isnt'. thats the point. ;) |
| 00:46:50 | Zaerc | even if you have to xfer them the "hard way" first |
| 00:48:50 | Zaerc | no more generating ssh keys by hand, nice |
| 00:49:03 | Disconnect | yep |
| 01:07:25 | Zaerc | can you tell me what bootldr param is used to select a different zImage? |
| 01:08:04 | Zaerc | the README.usage doesn't clearly say |
| 01:08:18 | Disconnect | um. do show .. its listed there (don't remember, ipaq put away) |
| 01:11:05 | Zaerc | ah kernel_filename thnx |
| 01:12:18 | Zaerc | it's 4 am here and I'm wandering wether i'm gonna test my test my home brew kernel |
| 01:12:29 | Zaerc | which probably won't boot at all |
| 01:12:50 | Zaerc | feels a new addiction coming up |
| 01:13:17 | Zaerc | actually it's an old one re-ignited ;^) |
| 01:39:38 | Zaerc | wow, some unresolved symbols, but it boots ;^))) |
| 01:42:24 | Zaerc | [root@familiar]:~# uname -a Linux familiar 2.4.9-ac10-rmk2-np1 #1 Wed Oct 3 21:22:53 CEST 2001 armv4l unknon |
| 01:42:34 | volkam | heh |
| 01:42:43 | volkam | do you have mono framebuffer support in that kernel |
| 01:42:47 | Zaerc | that was quite easy |
| 01:43:00 | Zaerc | I don't think so |
| 01:43:18 | Zaerc | but i can easy build a new one |
| 01:43:42 | volkam | hehe |
| 01:50:36 | Zaerc | I have SA-1100 LCD selected under frame buffer devices |
| 01:50:55 | Zaerc | but i dont' see any mono option, maybe i missed that patch |
| 01:51:59 | Zaerc | uhh i missed the scroll-bar :^p |
| 01:52:22 | Zaerc | well it's getting early over here |
| 03:22:52 | dneuer | is back (gone 28:43:34) |
| 17:19:06 | nikos | Disconnect: Where should I get ipaqstat from? |
| 17:23:31 | nikos | a7r: Hiya, finally got around to load 2.15.15 and latest v0.5. Looking good, great work. |
| 17:24:12 | a7r | sweet. |
| 17:24:44 | nikos | a7r: minor issue with instructions: s/fstroke/xstroke/ |
| 17:25:08 | sjohnson | nikos: You will be pleases that the wlan-ng drivers you're using have /proc/net/wireless support for ipaqstat |
| 17:25:24 | nikos | sjohnson: Really!!!! That rocks even more. |
| 17:25:44 | a7r | nikos: yeah.. I have a bunch of nits I'm going to flush out.. |
| 17:26:03 | sjohnson | nikos: Monitoring and ad_hoc support also. |
| 17:26:07 | nikos | sjohnson: You need to get something into v0.5. |
| 17:26:26 | nikos | sjohnson: Have you tried nelson's monitoring tool? |
| 17:27:03 | sjohnson | nikos: No I haven't. It might be interesting to be a war driver around town. |
| 17:28:52 | Disconnect | nikos: feeds :) |
| 17:29:00 | | okay, Disconnect. |
| 17:29:00 | Disconnect | ibot: ipaqstat is also in familiar 0.5 unstable |
| 17:29:28 | Disconnect | a7r: lots of dependency bugs :( |
| 17:29:31 | nikos | Disconnect: So there's not a later version I should try? |
| 17:30:02 | sjohnson | a7r: You might as well add my wlan-ng drivers for 0.5 - http://handhelds.org/~sjohnson/feed/wlan-ng-2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs_0.1.9-hh0 |
| 17:30:03 | sjohnson | _arm.ipk |
| 17:30:19 | sjohnson | That was different. |
| 17:30:22 | Disconnect | nikos: not yet. no thoughts on new features yet. ;) |
| 17:30:24 | nikos | a7r: They work extremely well for me. I recommend them. |
| 17:30:35 | nikos | Disconnect: Cool, installing from unstable now. |
| 17:30:43 | a7r | sjohnson: send me a mail to a7r@andern.org |
| 17:30:48 | a7r | Disconnect: Yup, I know. |
| 17:30:51 | sjohnson | a7r OK |
| 17:30:54 | MalteseFalcon | jamey: OK, I'm overnighting my 3100, so you should get it tomorrow. |
| 17:31:14 | MalteseFalcon | Hold on... jamey isn't here any more. |
| 17:31:16 | Disconnect | so if, say, I was going to buy a dual pcmcia sleeve and a big microdrive but not go bankrupt in the process, which drive should I go for? (figuring on dual-booting intimate and fam) |
| 17:31:27 | Disconnect | MalteseFalcon: ibot botmail help |
| 17:31:31 | MalteseFalcon | Ooops. wrong channel! |
| 17:31:51 | MalteseFalcon | botmail? |
| 17:32:03 | | MalteseFalcon: sorry... |
| 17:32:03 | MalteseFalcon | ibot botmail help |
| 17:32:11 | MalteseFalcon | oops (again |
| 17:32:17 | Disconnect | MalteseFalcon: er ibot help botmail maybe? |
| 17:32:18 | | MalteseFalcon: i'm not following you... |
| 17:32:18 | MalteseFalcon | ibot: botmail help |
| 17:32:24 | nikos | MalteseFalcon: ibot: help botmail |
| 17:32:25 | MalteseFalcon | ibot help botmail |
| 17:32:43 | nikos | MalteseFalcon: Personally I favor email, but either way. Did you check on #handhelds.org? |
| 17:32:56 | Disconnect | MalteseFalcon: summary is "ibot message for <>: blah" and next time they speak, ibot goes "you have botmail" and passes on the message |
| 17:32:57 | rohirrim | hello! can someone please tell me what h3600_flite_power: timeout is? I get it when I press the power button on my ipaq... Also when it resumes from sleep, it is not usable... I'm running familiar 0.4 Can someone help me? |
| 17:37:17 | mattzz | hi folks, any new 0.5pre realeases yet? (this one drowns battery like hell) |
| 17:37:29 | MalteseFalcon | Disconnect: Thanks, that is very helpful to know, but I did find him on the handhelds.org channel. |
| 17:37:35 | nikos | mattzz: Latest was as of Sep 27th. |
| 17:38:27 | mattzz | nikos: argh. than i have it already... |
| 17:38:42 | nikos | mattzz: Well, I'm running it now and it seems OK to me. |
| 17:39:01 | nikos | mattzz: Just loaded it a little while ago though. |
| 17:39:39 | Disconnect | can suspend for quite a while (seems to be about as long as before - haven't gone more than a weekend, but it makes the weekend, just barely) |
| 17:39:45 | mattzz | nikos: battery lasts just 2 days maximum |
| 17:39:49 | Disconnect | and thats 0.5pre w/ -hh6 kernel |
| 17:40:01 | nikos | mattzz: Asleep the whole time? |
| 17:40:11 | mattzz | nikos: yup |
| 17:40:35 | nikos | mattzz: When was it better? I don't remeber it being better than that since 2.4.3 I believe. |
| 17:40:54 | nikos | mattzz: We know there are issues. It's just that the people that know what to do about it are otherwise busy. |
| 17:41:40 | mattzz | nikos: put it that way: maybe i was expecting too much with respect to the most recent releases. |
| 17:42:01 | nikos | mattzz: Expecting is fine, but you may just have to deal with the reality for now I'm afraid. |
| 17:42:23 | mattzz | nikos: what the hell is reality? ;-) |
| 17:43:00 | nikos | mattzz: Always less than one's expectations. ;) |
| 17:43:06 | sjohnson | Man, reality for people for can't handle drugs, man. |
| 17:43:24 | mattzz | ;-) |
| 18:08:07 | dneuer | is away: gotta finish bathing kid |
| 18:42:04 | amayc | does anyone else get unusable fonts in rxvt? |
| 18:42:52 | nikos | amayc: install familiar-postinst and run ~/postinst with a network connection. |
| 18:45:24 | amayc | nikos: much better, thanks a lot |
| 18:46:22 | amayc | who doesn't bash run ~/.bashrc when it starts up? any way to make it do that? |
| 18:49:04 | torkel | is bash invoked as "sh"? |
| 18:49:16 | torkel | if so, it does not read the .bashrc |
| 18:49:22 | nikos | torkel: good call |
| 18:49:23 | torkel | (according to the manpage) |
| 18:51:44 | nikos | torkel: Hmm, that still doesn't do it. |
| 18:51:52 | nikos | sh-2.03# bash --version |
| 18:51:52 | nikos | GNU bash, version 2.03.0(1)-release (arm-unknown-linux-gnu) |
| 18:51:52 | nikos | Copyright 1998 Free Software Foundation, Inc. |
| 18:52:00 | nikos | Version make any difference? |
| 18:52:10 | torkel | probably not. |
| 18:52:24 | torkel | hmm... |
| 18:53:13 | nikos | torkel: I can't get it to use ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile |
| 18:53:23 | torkel | try bash -v |
| 18:53:44 | nikos | torkel: Oddly, ~/.profile will run. |
| 18:53:55 | nikos | amayc: Use ~/.profile |
| 18:54:14 | torkel | that should only be read for login shells.. why does it behave like a login shell? |
| 18:54:34 | nikos | torkel: I'm confused then. I'm testing a login shell aren't I? |
| 18:54:48 | torkel | is firing up his ipaq |
| 18:55:39 | nikos | torkel: For what it's worth, the behaviour seems to be the same with /bin/sh and /bin/bash in /etc/passwd. |
| 18:56:17 | torkel | ok, so you are talking about the shell you get when ssh:ing in the thing? |
| 18:56:31 | nikos | torkel: No, I'm loggin in on console. |
| 18:56:44 | torkel | or that |
| 18:57:38 | nikos | What is an interactive shell that is not a login shell? Shelling out from some program? |
| 18:58:33 | torkel | hmm.. maybe i'm confusing it with korn shell... does bash not differentiate between a login shell and other shells? |
| 18:58:43 | torkel | is reading manpage |
| 18:59:44 | torkel | yes, it differentiates btween a login shell and !login shell. |
| 19:00:07 | torkel | on my ipaq, when it is not a login shell, it reads .bashrc |
| 19:00:25 | torkel | but when i ssh in, it does not |
| 19:01:07 | sjohnson | That is a ssh problem and not a shell problem. |
| 19:01:42 | torkel | it is the same when logging in on the console |
| 19:03:22 | nikos | torkel: .bashrc is not read by default on a login shell, that's why .bash_profile often has source ~/.bashrc at the top. |
| 19:03:47 | nikos | torkel: My issue is that .bash_profile SHOULD be read on login shell. |
| 19:04:11 | torkel | i think you can set $ENV |
| 19:04:19 | nikos | Doesn't loggin in via ssh count as a login shell? |
| 19:04:23 | torkel | yes |
| 19:07:44 | torkel | .bash_profile _is_ read by a login shell (just tested ln -s .bashrc .bash_profile and ssh:ed in) |
| 19:08:25 | nikos | torkel: I'll try again, but it's not happening for me on the console. |
| 19:08:40 | torkel | hmm.. i will try on the console |
| 19:09:38 | nikos | umm, why do all the users in /etc/passwd have /bin/sh for a shell? |
| 19:09:56 | nikos | torkel: I think I found my problem. I failed to change the right user's shell. |
| 19:09:59 | torkel | heheh |
| 19:10:19 | torkel | i just tried on the console and it worked just fine. As it should |
| 19:10:40 | nikos | torkel: Yep, it was my mistake. I changed nobody from sh to bash, rather than root. |
| 19:11:23 | torkel | A bit annoying having the battery meter in the prompt (PS1) though. Convenient when on the road, but not as interesting when it's in the dock |
| 19:11:43 | nikos | torkel: install ipaqstat |
| 19:12:31 | torkel | nah. PS1="\`cat /proc/apm | cut -f 7 -d' ' \` # " in the .bashrc is just fine |
| 19:12:39 | torkel | ;) |
| 19:14:49 | | OK, Disconnect. |
| 19:14:49 | Disconnect | ibot: apm is also PS1="\`cat /proc/apm | cut -f 7 -d' ' \` # " |
| 19:14:53 | Disconnect | ;) |
| 19:15:56 | torkel | uhm... what did you just tell the bot to do with that? |
| 19:16:21 | | i think apm is PS1="`cat /proc/apmcut -f 7 -d' ' ` # " |
| 19:16:22 | torkel | ibot: what is apm? |
| 19:16:28 | torkel | hahah |
| 19:16:45 | torkel | that did not come out right |
| 19:16:46 | amayc | anyone know where I can get "more" |
| 19:16:56 | | okay, Disconnect. |
| 19:16:56 | Disconnect | ibot: apm is also a work in progress |
| 19:17:01 | | okay, Disconnect. |
| 19:17:01 | Disconnect | ibot: apm is also ipkg install ipaqstat |
| 19:17:06 | Disconnect | apm |
| 19:17:08 | | i guess apm is PS1="`cat /proc/apmcut -f 7 -d' ' ` # " or a work in progress or ipkg install ipaqstat |
| 19:17:08 | Disconnect | ibot: apm |
| 19:18:54 | | okay, torkel. |
| 19:18:54 | torkel | ibot: apm is also PS1=$PS1'sed s!apmcut!apm\ |\ cut!' |
| 19:19:13 | torkel | does ibot not like bar signs? |
| 19:19:26 | | apm is PS1=$PS1'sed s!apmcut!apm\\ cut!' |
| 19:19:26 | torkel | ibot: apm |
| 19:19:49 | | torkel: I forgot apm |
| 19:19:49 | torkel | ibot: forget apm |
| 19:56:39 | sgodsell | is away: Got to go! |
| 19:58:20 | amayc | is there a better editor than vim available? |
| 20:00:03 | nikos | amayc: What is your religion. |
| 20:00:10 | nikos | amayc: I have xjed available if you like. |
| 20:00:22 | nikos | amayc: It's a bit largish but very nice. |
| 20:06:04 | BrianR__ | hey folks. |
| 20:06:11 | BrianR__ | I see there's some new familiar images |
| 20:06:14 | BrianR__ | and a new bootldr :) |
| 20:07:15 | nikos | BrianR__: Yes, but these are just pre-releases, be warned. |
| 20:07:37 | BrianR__ | nikos: well.. better than the previous prerelease I've been suffering with. |
| 20:07:51 | BrianR__ | Something was wrong with the bootldr or kernel and caused me to have to reset after every suspend.. |
| 20:08:03 | BrianR__ | it's a PITA to use a PDA That has like a 20 second power-on time :) |
| 20:09:26 | amayc | nevermind, i'll just use pyditor. |
| 20:12:29 | nikos | BrianR__: I didn't have that problem. |
| 20:15:11 | BrianR__ | nikos: maybe it's 3670 specific? |
| 20:17:34 | nikos | BrianR__: I hope not. ;) |
| 20:19:27 | BrianR__ | anyway, the 0.5 pre from early september left me with a non-working suspend feature |
| 20:19:38 | BrianR__ | I haven't yet tested the one from late september. |
| 20:25:04 | nikos | Is there some way I can check load average from /proc? |
| 20:25:29 | DragonEagle | cat /proc/loadavg |
| 20:26:37 | nikos | DragonEagle: thankya |
| 20:26:44 | DragonEagle | nikos: np :) |
| 20:43:33 | a7r | oin #openbsd |
| 20:44:22 | | torkel: excuse me? |
| 20:44:22 | torkel | ibot: oin |
| 21:03:10 | DragonEagle | is away: schools out |
| 21:13:17 | nikos | Hey edwardam |
| 21:13:32 | edwardam | nikos: hola. wassup? |
| 21:14:25 | nikos | edwardam: More and more of the same mostly. |
| 21:14:52 | nikos | edwardam: Set up first person with virtual zope hosting this week. |
| 21:15:20 | edwardam | nikos: cool. |
| 21:15:35 | edwardam | nikos: I've been working too much. :-( |
| 21:16:08 | edwardam | My ipaq from the contest is on it's way. |
| 21:16:13 | nikos | edwardam: Something new going on? |
| 21:16:19 | nikos | edwardam: Did you work out 2 monos? |
| 21:17:40 | edwardam | nikos: not sure if it's two color ipaqs or two mono ipaqs. |
| 21:17:53 | nikos | edwardam: Well, sounds like a good solution either way. ;) |
| 21:18:04 | edwardam | nikos: Re; new ... eassessment.learingpatterns.com |
| 21:18:13 | edwardam | nikos: and teaching developers how to use CVS :-( |
| 21:18:28 | nikos | edwardam: right URL? |
| 21:18:37 | edwardam | nikos: nope ... ooops |
| 21:18:37 | nikos | ah, missing 'n' |
| 21:18:45 | edwardam | nikos: yep |
| 21:19:04 | edwardam | nikos: and fixing code (developer mis-used JDBC and blamed Postgres) ... |
| 21:19:13 | nikos | edwardam: Interesting. |
| 21:19:16 | edwardam | nikos: creating ant build files (ant is sooooo cool) |
| 21:19:23 | nikos | edwardam: I hope you straightened him out. |
| 21:19:29 | nikos | edwardam: ant? |
| 21:19:33 | edwardam | nikos: hylafax server .... new employee setup ... broken laptops .... |
| 21:19:49 | nikos | edwardam: a whole bevy of stuff it sounds like. |
| 21:19:53 | edwardam | nikos: ant == make for java in java ... uses an XML makefiule |
| 21:19:57 | edwardam | nikos: yep |
| 21:21:34 | edwardam | is fam .5 done and final? |
| 21:21:53 | nikos | edwardam: Nope, but there is a second pre-release out. |
| 21:22:03 | nikos | edwardam: It's starting too look pretty good. |
| 21:22:03 | edwardam | ahh cool ... will check out when I can. |
| 21:22:20 | edwardam | got a Nvidia GeForce 2GTS video card....really slick and nice |
| 21:23:29 | edwardam | And I've discovered the absolute and pure joy of rsync. |
| 21:24:19 | nikos | edwardam: Hmm, guess I'll have to finally get around to checking rsync out from the sound of that. |
| 21:26:09 | edwardam | nikos: I am doing remote backups of the office to a new HD in my home PC every night. After the first sync it only syncs the changes files |
| 21:26:22 | edwardam | nikos: and it uses some intelligence to figure out what parts have changed |
| 21:26:28 | nikos | edwardam: Wow. |
| 21:26:31 | edwardam | nikos: plus it can use ssh to encrypt the data |
| 21:26:38 | edwardam | nikos: and it can use gzip internally as well |
| 21:26:42 | edwardam | nikos: it's WAY cool |
| 21:26:45 | nikos | edwardam: So it only send parts of changed files? Not the whole file? |
| 21:26:57 | edwardam | nikos: by default it sends the changed parts. |
| 21:27:12 | nikos | edwardam: Does that work for binary files as well? |
| 21:27:15 | edwardam | I sync about 17 GB each night |
| 21:27:23 | nikos | edwardam: amazing |
| 21:27:29 | edwardam | nikos: not sure how well it works on binary files ... but it is working on binary files for me ... |
| 21:27:44 | edwardam | nikos: that didn't sound right |
| 21:28:06 | edwardam | nikos: I'm not sure how well the 'difference' parts work on binary files ... but I do have it sync'ing binary files. |
| 21:28:18 | edwardam | nikos: worse case is it sense the whole file compressed again. |
| 21:28:26 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 00:25:16) |
| 21:28:40 | edwardam | nikos: and it can delete local files when they are removes from the server you are syncing from |
| 21:29:00 | nikos | edwardam: Still sounds interesting. Well, it's time for me to head out. Talk to you later. |
| 21:29:05 | edwardam | later |
| 21:52:51 | DragonEagle | is away: just away |
| 23:22:16 | sgodsell | is back (gone 03:25:36) |
| 23:24:16 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 01:31:24) |
| 23:40:10 | DragonEagle | is away: bbiaw |