| 02:11:40 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 02:31:30) |
| 02:25:17 | sgodsell | is away: Got to go! |
| 03:45:31 | beeblebrox_away | is back (gone 12:36:34) |
| 04:03:04 | DragonEagle | is away: just away |
| 05:03:12 | turb0 | hi guys |
| 05:03:17 | turb0 | anybody here? |
| 05:04:08 | banshee | yea... |
| 05:04:20 | banshee | don't have an ipaq yet... but i'm here |
| 05:04:55 | turb0 | banshee how you doing |
| 05:05:00 | turb0 | ok question |
| 05:05:14 | turb0 | where does windows2000 stores its admin password? is it a .pwl file? |
| 05:05:17 | banshee | good.. |
| 05:05:20 | turb0 | i forgot my password |
| 05:05:33 | volkam | u gotta reinstall |
| 05:05:38 | volkam | it doesnt store it in a file really |
| 05:05:38 | banshee | do a find file or folder for *.pwl's |
| 05:05:43 | volkam | its all encrypted shit |
| 05:05:52 | banshee | think its in system or system32 |
| 05:05:59 | banshee | volkam: registry? |
| 05:06:06 | volkam | i donno |
| 05:06:28 | banshee | turb0: well... go d/l adminc@ck3r |
| 05:06:58 | turb0 | :) ok |
| 05:07:34 | banshee | its designed for NT4.. at least the version i used last time.. but 'should' work on nt5/win2k |
| 07:02:26 | atil | hi, anybody got experience with iPAC H3870 and Linux? |
| 07:54:17 | Mr_Mystic | he |
| 07:54:20 | Mr_Mystic | hey |
| 07:54:59 | Mr_Mystic | I have a quick question. Should I use the 0.4 version of familiar or should i just jump on the 0.5 pre release one.. |
| 07:56:26 | Mr_Mystic | and allso: Have anyone successfully used the compaq stowaway portable keyboard on familiar? |
| 08:00:30 | a7r | yup.. |
| 08:00:39 | a7r | there're some changes required for v0.5, but the work has already been done. |
| 08:03:58 | tomas | hello and selam |
| 08:04:04 | tomas | i am turkish |
| 08:04:24 | tomas | i am from bursa in turkey |
| 08:08:13 | Mr_Mystic | okey.. |
| 08:08:29 | Mr_Mystic | well I will try 0.4 first then.. and try 0.5 in a little while |
| 08:08:44 | Mr_Mystic | its supprisingly easy to get everything working |
| 08:09:14 | a7r | cool. |
| 08:13:10 | Mr_Mystic | its no info on the partitioning for 64 mb flash on the instalation manual though, but its just to calculate by hand |
| 08:13:31 | Mr_Mystic | have anyone tried one of thouse 2gb og 5 gb pcmcia hd's? |
| 08:13:46 | Mr_Mystic | or wireless nc's or stuff like that |
| 08:13:54 | Mr_Mystic | is it working as good as in normal linux? |
| 08:13:57 | a7r | yup. |
| 08:14:32 | Mr_Mystic | fantastic |
| 08:14:55 | Mr_Mystic | does programs that work for linux in general work on familiar too? just a recompile? |
| 08:15:24 | a7r | yup. |
| 08:15:33 | Mr_Mystic | wee.. staroffice here I come. |
| 08:15:34 | Mr_Mystic | hehe |
| 08:16:48 | a7r | uhh, that's probably not the best idea, but it might work with the appropriate harddisk, and some swap.. |
| 08:16:54 | Mr_Mystic | hehe |
| 08:17:05 | a7r | hah. |
| 08:17:06 | a7r | er. |
| 08:17:42 | Mr_Mystic | is gcc included in the familiar image? |
| 08:17:49 | a7r | no. |
| 08:17:56 | Mr_Mystic | or do you cross compile and upload |
| 08:18:34 | a7r | people run Debian usually as a full build environment. |
| 08:24:07 | Mr_Mystic | okey |
| 08:24:18 | Mr_Mystic | but what if you want new programs there? |
| 08:24:39 | Mr_Mystic | you compile them on a normal machine and transfer, or do you install a compilere on the box and compile there |
| 08:24:46 | a7r | then install Debian onto a harddisk, and build using Debian's GCC.. or cross compile off a different box. |
| 08:25:02 | a7r | I'm going to sleep.. |
| 08:25:16 | Mr_Mystic | okey |
| 08:25:20 | Mr_Mystic | well good night then |
| 08:25:26 | Mr_Mystic | thanks for your help |
| 08:25:35 | tolga | what time is it |
| 08:25:37 | tolga | ? |
| 08:25:49 | a7r | 2:30 |
| 08:25:56 | beeblebrox | 3 pm |
| 08:26:10 | Mr_Mystic | 11:30 am |
| 08:26:11 | Mr_Mystic | ;) |
| 08:26:12 | tolga | waavvv, |
| 08:26:23 | tolga | 12:31 |
| 08:53:05 | bisp | Hi! |
| 08:53:50 | bisp | I'm trying to recompile the pcmcia card manager for the familiar but it's hard |
| 09:40:20 | Mr_Mystic | hmm |
| 09:41:03 | Mr_Mystic | when I am trying to do "ipkg install_pending" I get a error saying mkdir //tmp File exists error |
| 09:41:13 | Mr_Mystic | tmp is mounted on ramfs |
| 09:41:29 | Mr_Mystic | and I dont think I have enough flash space to run tmp on / |
| 09:43:02 | Mr_Mystic | and if I do try to just remove the link on /tmp, i get an error when it tries to unpack control.tar.gz from the ssh package. |
| 10:05:48 | Mr_Mystic | hmm |
| 10:06:06 | Mr_Mystic | I guess everyone is asleep |
| 10:27:40 | bisp | no i'm not sleeping :) |
| 10:30:59 | Mr_Mystic | I get the error "ERROR unpacking control.tar.gz from ..." when I try to install a ipk package on my fresh familiar 0.4 install |
| 10:31:21 | Mr_Mystic | I have tried several packages but same error every time |
| 10:31:29 | Mr_Mystic | have anyone had the same problem? |
| 10:36:39 | bisp | mm I don't think so, every thinhg was well for me |
| 10:36:54 | Mr_Mystic | thats strange |
| 10:37:10 | Mr_Mystic | I mean .. its a quite plain install.. |
| 10:37:24 | bisp | i installed a few packages with ipkg and it was ok |
| 10:37:37 | Mr_Mystic | and I came up to the point were I should do a ipkg install_pending |
| 10:37:46 | Mr_Mystic | and it gave me an error on /tmp and stuff |
| 10:37:49 | Mr_Mystic | so I fixed that |
| 10:37:54 | Mr_Mystic | and tried a little |
| 10:37:59 | Mr_Mystic | moving packages and stuff |
| 10:38:17 | Mr_Mystic | but I get an error like that all the time |
| 10:38:24 | Mr_Mystic | no packages is able to install.. |
| 10:38:29 | bisp | on which device did you install your familiar 0.4 ? |
| 10:38:47 | Mr_Mystic | Its a compaq ipaq 3660 I think .. its the ones with 64 mb ram |
| 10:38:55 | bisp | ok i've got the same one |
| 10:39:30 | Mr_Mystic | and I just followed the instruction manual.. and checked all the checks I saw there.. and everything looked okey |
| 10:39:54 | Mr_Mystic | and except that error.. it works fine.. alas only through a teminal emulator though |
| 10:40:16 | Mr_Mystic | nothing much on the screen except a fb penguin when I boot. |
| 10:40:22 | bisp | i remember i used ipkg with a network card in my ipaq and it downloaded packages by itself |
| 10:40:23 | Mr_Mystic | and ofcourse the bootloader thingy |
| 10:40:29 | Mr_Mystic | hmm |
| 10:40:36 | Mr_Mystic | well I dont have a pcmcia thingy yet.. |
| 10:41:02 | Mr_Mystic | so I am sending them over serial.. zmodem style.. |
| 10:41:14 | bisp | ok what software do U use ? |
| 10:41:22 | Mr_Mystic | hyperterm |
| 10:41:34 | bisp | ok what settings do you use ? |
| 10:41:44 | Mr_Mystic | 115200 8 none 1 |
| 10:41:55 | bisp | 115 200 bauds, no parity, no flow control |
| 10:42:01 | bisp | ok |
| 10:42:12 | bisp | can you log yourself ? |
| 10:42:39 | Mr_Mystic | do you want a log? |
| 10:42:45 | bisp | ok |
| 12:08:27 | frank | has anyone managed to get lirc working? |
| 13:42:44 | pattieja | morning |
| 13:43:29 | bisp | good afternoon (in france) ;) |
| 13:44:19 | pattieja | has anyone gotten the targus stowaway keyboard working? |
| 13:44:24 | | stowaway is the stowaway foldup keyboard from thinkoutside.com, the palm version can be hacked for ipaq use (http://www.iptel-now.de/HOWTO/SER_PALM_KBD/ser_palm_kbd.html) |
| 13:44:24 | pattieja | ibot1: stowaway |
| 13:44:35 | pattieja | hmm. not what I need |
| 13:44:41 | | pattieja: sorry... |
| 13:44:41 | pattieja | ibot1: targus |
| 13:44:47 | | Disconnect: sorry... |
| 13:44:47 | Disconnect | ibot1: stowd |
| 13:45:14 | Disconnect | pattieja: in any case, there are a couple of packages (kernel mod and stowd IIRC) you need. after that.. um.. dunno. don't own one. |
| 13:45:15 | pattieja | is it a USB device? |
| 13:45:34 | pattieja | not seeing any wiki's on it |
| 13:45:53 | nikos | pattieja: serial |
| 13:46:07 | pattieja | really!? |
| 13:46:11 | pattieja | how does that work? |
| 13:46:16 | nikos | pattieja: The mailing lists are full of discussion about it. |
| 13:46:23 | pattieja | no wiki yet? |
| 13:47:09 | Disconnect | if its a usb device it will never work. AFAIK its serial. |
| 13:47:28 | nikos | pattieja: I'm finding info on the wiki, but it's not complete and organized. |
| 13:47:40 | nikos | pattieja: http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/HardwareProjects |
| 13:47:47 | nikos | pattieja: Scroll down to the Keyboards section. |
| 13:48:12 | Disconnect | pattieja: from what I've (skimmed) on lists/etc you install the kernel modules and stowd, do some magic (possibly remove getty from inittab, possibly not.. reload it every time you suspend/resume.. etc) and it works. |
| 13:48:40 | pattieja | cool |
| 13:48:42 | pattieja | thanks guys |
| 13:49:16 | Disconnect | isn't that helpful, but the mailing list archives should be. |
| 13:50:34 | pattieja | nasty, I can no longer have 'console=/dev/ttySA0' |
| 13:56:58 | slon | can someone help me with familiar 0.5 installation? I'm getting 'crc error' on kernel uncompress. bootldr is 2.15.15, root partition image looks ok, e.g ls /boot and cat linuxrc works ... |
| 14:03:42 | Kahin | slon: I've got the same, but since all works I' throw the theme away |
| 14:04:54 | nikos | slon: Did you check all md5sum carefully? Also, is this a 3660 or 3670? |
| 14:07:42 | slon | nikos it is 3660, md5sum is ok |
| 14:08:10 | slon | Kahin: it works in loadaer but doesn't boot :-( |
| 14:08:16 | nikos | slon: Are you aware of the heat issues? |
| 14:08:31 | nikos | slon: Read the bottom of http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/ActiveSync |
| 14:09:27 | Kahin | slon: my 3660 boots properly (except CRC offcourse:-) |
| 14:10:01 | dneuer | hi |
| 14:10:06 | nikos | Hiya dneuer |
| 14:10:23 | slon | nikos: thx! looks like possible cause! ipaq is really warm right now ... |
| 14:10:25 | | jamey was last seen on #handhelds.org 24 minutes and 7 seconds ago, saying: smokin: I encourage you to wait. Some day soon, you should be able to store the splash screen in the root filesystem [Fri Oct 5 14:46:18 2001] |
| 14:10:25 | dneuer | ibot1: seen jamey? |
| 14:10:37 | nikos | slon: Sounds right. |
| 14:10:46 | nikos | Kahin: I would look at the URL I gave slon. |
| 14:11:20 | Kahin | nikos: really I've got different problem |
| 14:11:30 | nikos | Kahin: I don't think you do. |
| 14:11:36 | Kahin | nikos: I cant make Xircom NIC to run on dual sleeve |
| 14:11:52 | nikos | Kahin: Any problem could be attributed to a corrupt image. |
| 14:12:18 | Kahin | nikos: right :-) |
| 14:12:38 | nikos | Kahin: I'm afraid I can't help you much with the Xircom. You would need to search for other reports. |
| 14:12:39 | slon | Kahin: even if it works for you, you may be experiencing heat problems as well ... |
| 14:13:49 | Kahin | slon: what heat problems? iPAQ isn't red so everything is ok right? :-) |
| 14:14:05 | nikos | Kahin: Please read the ActiveSync url. |
| 14:14:35 | Kahin | nikos: reading it now thanx... |
| 14:15:21 | nikos | Morning sjohnson |
| 14:15:32 | sjohnson | hi |
| 14:16:15 | slon | Kahin: sure, until it doesn't burn your hands to the bone everything is OK :-) |
| 14:16:51 | jtm | What's the deal with ION? |
| 14:17:04 | nikos | is away: Errnad |
| 14:17:08 | nikos | is away: Errand |
| 14:17:27 | jtm | It seems a bit rediculous to chop a 320x240 screen into a bunch of smaller segragated windows |
| 14:17:36 | jtm | segredated |
| 14:17:43 | jtm | segregated |
| 14:18:23 | Disconnect | jtm: thats why I dpm |
| 14:18:27 | Disconnect | er don't. |
| 14:18:44 | jtm | Perhaps, i just dont know how to use it...but it doesnt' seem very intuitive |
| 14:19:13 | dneuer | jtm: mandrake is working on a new wm for the iPAQs. |
| 14:19:19 | dneuer | ibot ePAQ |
| 14:19:37 | | ePAQ is probably at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/ePAQ |
| 14:19:38 | dneuer | ibot1 ePAQ |
| 14:19:44 | Disconnect | jtm: its got some issues. but I like the full-frame-mode rather than dragging windows around, task-switching w/o alt-tab, etc. |
| 14:19:51 | Disconnect | (eg blackbox) |
| 14:20:41 | Disconnect | is gonna configure-away the icons for frame changing. I never use it anymore, since the new mp3 player has mixer built in (and works for me ;) ..) |
| 14:21:46 | pattieja | Disconnect: reading the installation page for 0.5pre |
| 14:22:04 | pattieja | Disconnect: was wondering if I want to do a 'params reset' at the bootloader serial console |
| 14:22:05 | jtm | Is it similar in nature the the wince interface in that it fullscreen(frame)s the app? |
| 14:22:16 | pattieja | Disconnect: and obviously not a partition reset |
| 14:22:26 | pattieja | Disconnect: and then redo the params section |
| 14:22:30 | pattieja | Disconnect: and then save them? |
| 14:23:58 | Disconnect | jtm: yah. only with a taskbar ;) |
| 14:27:36 | pattieja | Disconnect: ?? |
| 14:27:43 | pattieja | any thoughts? |
| 14:29:15 | pattieja | anyone? |
| 14:29:26 | pattieja | a7r: you around? |
| 14:30:19 | jtm | Anybody mess with ePAQ? |
| 14:32:23 | jtm | The ideas are neat but the screenshots dont impress me. |
| 14:33:55 | pattieja | nevermind |
| 14:34:18 | pattieja | just tried changing "set linuxargs" and then params save and it worked |
| 14:39:34 | DrgnEgle | is away: just away |
| 14:39:50 | DrgnEgle | is back (gone 00:00:08) |
| 14:40:54 | nikos | is back |
| 14:43:52 | Disconnect | heya nikos |
| 14:44:41 | pattieja | well, the stowaway stuff doesn't seem to be working |
| 14:44:54 | jtm | nikos: hey |
| 14:44:57 | pattieja | I successfully removed the line in the params that set the console to /dev/ttySA0 |
| 14:45:21 | pattieja | and stopped getty from running so that it appears that nothing has the device in an open state |
| 14:45:39 | jtm | Anyone actually using the stowaway keyboard from Targus? |
| 14:45:42 | pattieja | however, when I do a modprobe h3600_stowaway, nothing shows up in /dev |
| 14:45:55 | jtm | Who wrote the driver? |
| 14:46:13 | nikos | pattieja: Look around, it may be in a different place with devfs, you may need to symlink. |
| 14:46:32 | pattieja | nikos: what's h3600_ts |
| 14:46:33 | pattieja | ? |
| 14:46:47 | nikos | pattieja: ipkg info h3600-stowaway |
| 14:46:48 | pattieja | (t)argus-(s)towaway? |
| 14:46:50 | nikos | errg |
| 14:46:53 | nikos | pattieja: touch screen |
| 14:46:55 | Disconnect | pattieja: touchscreen |
| 14:46:55 | pattieja | ah |
| 14:46:59 | nikos | jtm: ipkg info h3600-stowaway |
| 14:47:00 | pattieja | ok that's not it |
| 14:47:14 | jtm | point... |
| 14:47:23 | jtm | nikos: ok |
| 14:47:50 | pattieja | nikos: and what am I looking for in ipkg info? |
| 14:48:01 | nikos | pattieja: Sorry, that was meant for jtm. My mistake. |
| 14:48:05 | pattieja | the author is cworth |
| 14:48:12 | nikos | Whoops, that's not right. |
| 14:48:19 | pattieja | what do you mean? |
| 14:48:21 | nikos | He got it by default. |
| 14:48:24 | nikos | Just sec. |
| 14:48:34 | pattieja | wait that's the maintainer |
| 14:48:42 | pattieja | there is no "author" field in the package info |
| 14:49:07 | nikos | * Author: Andrew Christian |
| 14:49:07 | nikos | * <andyc@handhelds.org> |
| 14:49:07 | nikos | * 5 April 2001 |
| 14:49:17 | nikos | * Based in part on the Stowaway PDA keyboard driver for Linux |
| 14:49:17 | nikos | * by Justin Cormack <j.cormack@doc.ic.ac.uk> |
| 14:49:17 | nikos | * |
| 14:49:26 | nikos | http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/linux/kernel/drivers/char/h3600_stowaway.c?rev=1.7&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 14:49:56 | pattieja | nikos: do I need to compile that myself? |
| 14:50:21 | jtm | pattieja: nikos: The question is is there a newer vs of the driver |
| 14:50:47 | jtm | or does .5pre have it already |
| 14:51:17 | nikos | jtm: It's built with the kernel. |
| 14:51:22 | pattieja | also, the README for the binary support files keeps saying it's for the Think Outside Stowaway keyboard |
| 14:51:37 | nikos | pattieja: That's correct. Compaq just rebrands the same device. |
| 14:51:40 | pattieja | we have the Targus Stowaway keyboard |
| 14:51:44 | pattieja | ok |
| 14:51:47 | nikos | pattieja: Targus does the same. |
| 14:53:05 | pattieja | oh, apparently we need to have the iPAQ undocked, period. Run the stowd application, then plug the iPAQ into the keyboard. Hmmm. |
| 14:53:30 | jtm | pattieja: where did you find that? |
| 14:53:36 | pattieja | README |
| 14:53:42 | pattieja | ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/apps/stowaway/README |
| 14:53:57 | jtm | if we knew where to look we'd be dangerous |
| 14:54:12 | jtm | * jtm thinks its time to start thinking |
| 14:57:25 | DragonEagle | 's brain just went into a double malloc'ed infinate recursive loop |
| 15:00:30 | pattieja | anybody know what major and minor numbers /dev/stowaway uses? |
| 15:01:10 | nikos | pattieja: Have you searched the entire contents of /proc for a file named stowaway? It is registering with devfs. |
| 15:01:24 | pattieja | let me check |
| 15:01:32 | pattieja | I don't think I have the find command though |
| 15:02:10 | nikos | pattieja: ls -lR | grep stowaway |
| 15:02:31 | jtm | pattieja: nikos: busybox |
| 15:02:54 | pattieja | we're using the BusyBox version of ls which doesn't have recursive directory capabilities (yet, or compiled in, don't remember which) |
| 15:03:11 | pattieja | but BusyBox has find compiled in... |
| 15:03:32 | nikos | pattieja: I said it wrong anyway, I meant /dev of course. It's not that deep I guess, so search it by hand. |
| 15:03:51 | pattieja | already used find |
| 15:03:55 | pattieja | nowhere to be found |
| 15:04:06 | pattieja | could it be named something different? |
| 15:04:08 | jtm | Hurray for Busybox |
| 15:04:38 | nikos | pattieja: I'm noting that there are recent updates to the driver. Although I don't see that it would make any difference here. I would talk to andyc or jamey. |
| 15:04:59 | pattieja | neither are online :( |
| 15:05:11 | jtm | pattieja: look at the driver yourself and start working on it.. submit a patch |
| 15:05:30 | nikos | pattieja: Email is a wonderful invention. |
| 15:05:41 | pattieja | found jamey on #handhelds.org |
| 15:13:13 | pattieja | nikos: maybe I can 'ln -s /dev/ttySA0 /dev/stowaway'? |
| 15:13:29 | nikos | pattieja: Not that same thing. |
| 15:13:44 | nikos | pattieja: At least I don't think they are. |
| 15:13:52 | pattieja | I know, but it's plugged into the same serial port, right? |
| 15:14:38 | nikos | pattieja: I can't help you hear I'm afraid. But I don't think the stowaway refers to the serial port, it refers to a device that happens to use the serial port. |
| 15:15:10 | pattieja | well, technically, it refers to a line discipline (whatever that is) which is used on top of the serial port, I guess |
| 15:15:29 | pattieja | my problem, is that I'm not finding any MAJOR or MINOR numbers with which I could attempt to mknod my own /dev entry |
| 15:15:35 | pattieja | in h3600_stowaway.c |
| 15:17:13 | frank | has anyone managed to get lirc working on the ipaq? |
| 15:17:36 | pattieja | I guess it's not a big deal, but the author has #include <linux/module.h> in his file twice |
| 15:24:56 | Disconnect | frank: I ssh to a box and run b'x .. works great. |
| 15:25:07 | Disconnect | hrms. read that as "irc" not "lirc" sorry |
| 15:31:44 | nikos | frank: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/ConsumerIR |
| 15:32:38 | nikos | sjohnson: Well, just inserted my SMC into my ipaq, half the horiztonal scanlines of the LCD turned black and I seem to be locked hard. |
| 15:34:13 | sjohnson | That is strange. |
| 15:34:40 | nikos | sjohnson: Just reset, about to try again. |
| 15:35:26 | nikos | sjohnson: OK now. |
| 15:37:35 | sgodsell | Hello, there is something familiar about this channel ;) |
| 15:38:12 | sjohnson | sgodsell: Ouch! |
| 15:38:23 | sjohnson | is away: lunch time |
| 16:21:51 | sjohnson | is back (gone 00:43:28) |
| 16:22:10 | nikos | sjohnson: Interesting development: Remeber my 802.11b signal problem yesterday? |
| 16:22:22 | sjohnson | yes |
| 16:22:24 | nikos | sjohnson: I tried the same mounting again today and everything seemed OK. |
| 16:22:27 | nikos | sjohnson: But... |
| 16:22:41 | sjohnson | Always a but |
| 16:22:41 | nikos | sjohnson: A wrinkle I failed to mention yesterday is pringles cans. |
| 16:22:58 | nikos | sjohnson: I try sticking 2 pringles cans on, and it dies hard. |
| 16:23:08 | nikos | sjohnson: To the point I can get no connection without resetting the AP. |
| 16:23:43 | nikos | sjohnson: Have you ever tried the Pringles can trick? |
| 16:23:46 | sjohnson | A pringels can will also make it very directional. |
| 16:24:00 | nikos | sjohnson: Hmmmm, any modification to the can necessary? |
| 16:24:12 | nikos | sjohnson: That may be my problem, they were pointed at the ceiling. |
| 16:24:21 | sjohnson | Yes, definately |
| 16:24:51 | nikos | Disconnect: Sounds like you were right. |
| 16:24:59 | sjohnson | Think of the radio signal as a water. |
| 16:25:30 | nikos | sjohnson: So the metal disc on top doesn't block the signal? |
| 16:25:54 | sjohnson | Yes it will. You have to think of the prinbles can as a nozzle. |
| 16:26:25 | nikos | sjohnson: OK, wait, so I need to modify the can then? |
| 16:26:46 | nikos | sjohnson: Like punch a hole in the bottom and stick the antenna through that hole? |
| 16:26:48 | Disconnect | nikos: take the can, put the antenna at the bottom. the open top is where the signal goes. |
| 16:26:58 | sjohnson | But a hole in the side near the bottom. Put the anntenna in the hole. |
| 16:27:15 | nikos | sjohnson, Disconnect: Ah, a detail a7r failed to mention. |
| 16:27:43 | sjohnson | Remember metal reflects a radio wave. |
| 16:28:02 | sjohnson | Putt the can over the annenna top size totally blocks the signal. |
| 16:28:33 | sjohnson | Um, Putting the can over the anntenna top first totally block the signal. |
| 17:14:40 | frizz | I have a microdrive in a single sleeve, but I get this error on bootup: cardmgr[82]: bind 'ide-cs' to socket 0 failed: Operation not permitted |
| 17:14:51 | frizz | I'm using 2.4.6-rmk1-np2 |
| 17:27:31 | DragonEagle | is away: bbl |
| 17:30:20 | jamey | a7r: I put an updated pcmcia-cs 3.1.29 ipk in /home/familiar/incoming |
| 17:30:39 | jamey | a7r: I also sent email, but my laptop sometimes gobbles email |
| 17:31:04 | a7r | jamey: thanks. |
| 17:31:38 | jamey | a7r: since you're here... |
| 17:32:03 | jamey | a7r: do you know if we modified the contents of /etc/pcmcia for ipaq? |
| 17:32:29 | jamey | I preserved our current /etc/pcmcia config but updated the executables |
| 17:35:03 | a7r | jamey: I think there were tweaks.. some cards were added, but the newer version probably has more entries.. |
| 17:36:16 | sjohnson | jamey,a7r: Were are actually missing a few pieces that prevent full PCMCIA functionality. ide_info, fuser and the /dev/MAKEDEV binaries |
| 17:37:28 | sjohnson | We should be able to not require MAKEDEV if we include a few necessary devices files like /dev/ttyS0, etc. |
| 17:40:26 | Disconnect | sjohnson: doesn't devfs do away w/ MAKEDEV? |
| 17:41:51 | sjohnson | Only if all software components are devfs aware. in this case pcmcia-cs. |
| 17:42:00 | Disconnect | ahhh |
| 17:44:16 | sjohnson | pcmcia-cs uses MAKEDEV to create any missing /dev device files, like a /dev/tty device for a modem card. |
| 17:44:39 | MalteseFalcon | how about /dev/wlan0? |
| 17:45:55 | Disconnect | sjohnson: what about a devfs-aware MAKEDEV..? |
| 17:46:14 | Disconnect | dunno how devfs works internally, so it may be a stupid question ;) |
| 17:47:17 | sjohnson | Disconnect: Your starting to get into an areas I don't know that much about. I havent delved that deeply into the PCMCIA serial, network, wireless, etc. scripts. |
| 17:48:12 | sjohnson | When a PCMCIA card is inserted, cardmgr identifies the services the card provices, (memory, network, modem,etc.) |
| 17:50:00 | sjohnson | Then cardmgr binds the device to the proper drivers based on *.conf files and then tries to configure the device drivers to a UNIX dev instance. like (a ttyX0 device for a modem card) |
| 17:51:32 | nikos | Wouldn't a kernel module be involved here somewhere. It is the kernel module that should be registered the device with devfs, it's a simple one to two liner I believe. |
| 17:52:30 | Disconnect | nikos: that was (partially) my thought. a kernel mod that sets up something like /proc/fs/devfs/register/unregister .. then a MAKEDEV that just feeds type/major/minor/name to the register.. |
| 17:52:47 | sjohnson | nikos: The pcmcia scripts would have to be aware of that. They all assume device file to be in /dev/ |
| 17:52:49 | Disconnect | nikos: and a modified remove script that feeds same to the unregister probably. |
| 17:52:58 | nikos | Disconnect: Unnecessary. |
| 17:53:19 | nikos | sjohnson: Wait, doesn't the script cause an appropriate device driver module to be loaded if not already loaded or compiled into the kernel? |
| 17:53:36 | Disconnect | nikos: maybe. that lets us stay in sync with standard pcmcia sources. (although come to think of it, we already are out of sync. so thats not really a gain.) |
| 17:53:55 | nikos | Disconnect: It's not PCMCIAs issue. It's the driver's issue. |
| 17:54:26 | nikos | Disconnect: Now some of those drivers may reside in the PCMCIA-cs tree, but they should have already added support for devfs as part of the overall kernel developement work. |
| 17:54:56 | Disconnect | nikos: right. was looking for a userland cardservices fix that didn't involve forking all the pcmcia kernel-side drivers from the standard tree. but we've already done that for a bunch of them, so there's no gain in doing it the 'wrong way' (userspace). |
| 17:55:22 | nikos | Disconnect: No forking. All Kernel device drivers are supposed to be supporting devfs across the board. |
| 17:55:39 | sjohnson | nikos: It's is still a PCMCIA issue. After the kennel driver is loaded and bound, PCMCIA will try to configure the device (like baudrate, data bit, etc, for a serial device) |
| 17:56:14 | nikos | sjohnson: I really don't understand you. devfs register devices appear in /dev. Are you referring to the variation in path? |
| 17:56:57 | sjohnson | nikos: Yes. All of the scripts assumes everthing is in /dev. All of the scripts cd the /dev to do their stuff. |
| 17:57:33 | nikos | sjohnson: I have to admit I don't really understand the proper procedure there. Is everyone supposed to be transitioning to the new tree structure or is devfsd considered to be the way to go? I think it must be the first in which case minor symlink creation should get us through until everyone catches up. |
| 17:57:50 | nikos | sjohnson: ????? |
| 17:57:57 | nikos | sjohnson: devfs devices appear in /dev just like always. |
| 17:58:10 | nikos | sjohnson: Just in a different location probably. |
| 17:58:14 | sjohnson | nikos: Look at the /dev/pcmcia/serial script to see what I'm talking about. |
| 17:59:20 | nikos | sjohnson: /etc/pcmcia/serial? |
| 17:59:43 | sjohnson | Er, yes. /etc/pcmcia/serial. |
| 18:01:49 | nikos | sjohnson: I don't see the problem. The device should appear after the module is loaded, it will be found and nothing will be done in /dev. Modifications need to be made probably for the device names. |
| 18:03:14 | nikos | sjohnson: Currently MAKEDEV is only coming into play in cases where the module is failing to register itself with devfs or the wrong device name is being used. At least that's how it seems to me. |
| 18:07:12 | sjohnson | nikos: Could be. But I'm no sure how the device name is found in order to pass it to the /etc/pcmcia scripts to start with. |
| 18:10:39 | nikos | sjohnson: I believe it is information passed from the module to cardmgr and then to the script. |
| 18:11:02 | sjohnson | nikos: But how does cardmgr get it? |
| 18:11:32 | nikos | sjohnson: I would guess the major and minor numbers are passwd to cardmgr, and then it calculates the name in someway from that. Or maybe the name is passed directly. |
| 18:11:47 | nikos | sjohnson: passed from the module that cardmgr loads I mean. |
| 18:21:16 | aigeek | Does anyone have /usr/lib/python2.0/lib-dynload/pwdmodule.so ? |
| 18:21:53 | aigeek | It doesn't seem to come with the usual setup, but I think Scream needs it. |
| 18:29:01 | nikos | aigeek: It should be there. It's one of the files of the python package: 'ipkg files python'. |
| 18:48:44 | sjohnson | nikos: IF looks like driver and or cardmgr gets device name, makr and minor nuber. Look at /var/run/stab with a card inserted. |
| 18:48:52 | sjohnson | s/IF/It/ |
| 18:52:51 | | mandrake was last seen on #handhelds.org 17 minutes and 50 seconds ago, saying: he's talking about a CF card [Fri Oct 5 19:35:01 2001] |
| 18:52:51 | dneuer | ibot1: seen mandrake? |
| 19:05:32 | | jtm: sorry... |
| 19:05:32 | jtm | ibot1: menu |
| 19:05:43 | | jtm: excuse me? |
| 19:05:43 | jtm | ibot1: gtk menu |
| 19:05:53 | | pattieja: i'm not following you... |
| 19:05:53 | pattieja | ibot1: gtk-menu |
| 19:06:10 | jtm | are there any wiki on editing gtk menu? |
| 19:06:16 | | pattieja: sorry... |
| 19:06:16 | pattieja | ibot1: menu-tiny |
| 19:06:21 | Disconnect | jtm: cd /usr/lib/menu ; ls |
| 19:06:21 | | pattieja: i'm not following you... |
| 19:06:21 | pattieja | ibot1: menu_tiny |
| 19:06:47 | Disconnect | jtm: when you have new files in place, run 'update-menus' and (if its 0.4) HUP gtk-menu to reread (the 0.5 ver seems to automatically reread) |
| 19:19:35 | jtm | Disconnect: does the ?package in the menu need to be a real package that is installed? |
| 19:20:57 | Disconnect | jtm: yep. |
| 19:21:05 | Disconnect | jtm: thats how update-menus knows whether or not to add the menu item. |
| 19:21:30 | jtm | So how do i get entries into the menu for apps that aren't IPK? |
| 19:22:21 | sjohnson | Disconnect: No. update-menus will add menu items regard less of where there is a package. |
| 19:22:38 | sjohnson | s/where/whether/ |
| 19:22:52 | jtm | so what do i put in package if I dont actually have one? |
| 19:22:56 | Disconnect | sjohnson: well thats a pisser. ;) |
| 19:23:05 | aigeek | Sorry. :) |
| 19:23:12 | jtm | aigeek: for what |
| 19:23:12 | aigeek | I'm new at IRC. :) |
| 19:23:27 | aigeek | I was answering questions on the wrong channel. |
| 19:23:29 | sjohnson | jtm: I just named is after the what I'm installing. |
| 19:23:57 | sjohnson | Which reminds me add my usbf menu entry back in. |
| 19:24:05 | aigeek | Just make up a name and it'll work fine. |
| 19:24:24 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 01:56:52) |
| 19:31:48 | jtm | thanks |
| 19:45:46 | sjohnson | nikos: cworth has put out a new xstroke. It is now intelligent enough to allow you use sliders and scrool bars. Grab the new rxvt-aa package while you're at it. |
| 19:47:39 | sgodsell | is away: bbiaw |
| 19:49:39 | nikos | sjohnson: wowie, we just got in our last parts for a new Cisco 3640 so I'm a little tied up, but I will definitely check it out tonight. |
| 19:50:48 | Disconnect | nikos: its busted in dillo tho (forms, urlbar) |
| 19:51:09 | Disconnect | nikos: (see convo in #handhelds.org) |
| 20:05:45 | | screenshot is probably at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpaqScreenshots |
| 20:05:45 | mattzz | ibot1: screenshot |
| 20:05:56 | | mattzz: huh? |
| 20:05:56 | mattzz | ibot1: raw |
| 20:09:58 | jtm | anybody ever seen a canned dialog i can use for error messages in familiar? |
| 20:18:24 | | jtm: sorry... |
| 20:18:24 | jtm | ibot1: canned dialog |
| 20:18:31 | | jtm: what? |
| 20:18:31 | jtm | ibot1: dialog |
| 20:18:40 | | jtm: sorry... |
| 20:18:40 | jtm | ibot1: message |
| 20:30:32 | pattieja | hmm. |
| 20:30:42 | pattieja | I'm getting nowhere fast on this keyboard issue |
| 20:31:27 | pattieja | I had someone suggest taking a look at ...kernel/Documentation/devices.txt for the major/minor numbers for /dev/stowaway |
| 20:31:31 | pattieja | not mentioned |
| 20:49:15 | pattieja | keyboard anyone? |
| 21:01:32 | pattieja | keyboard help, please? |
| 22:23:08 | nikos | sjohnson: Hey, we lost AC for 1 1/2 hours. |
| 22:23:55 | sjohnson | that can be very bad |
| 22:24:28 | nikos | sjohnson: Squeaked through with the UPSes. I was trimming systems constantly though. |
| 22:25:39 | nikos | Not downgrading package familiar-base from demo5 to 5.0 |
| 22:25:45 | nikos | Is that anything I should worry about? |
| 22:26:16 | nikos | sjohnson: Where do I find new xstroke and rxvt-aa? |
| 22:26:49 | | nikos: huh? |
| 22:26:49 | nikos | ibot1: cworth feed |
| 22:26:56 | nikos | ibot1: search for feed |
| 22:27:10 | nikos | ibot1: search for cworth |
| 22:27:23 | | nikos: I forgot yeah, cworth's traceroute |
| 22:27:23 | nikos | ibot1: forget yeah, cworth's traceroute |
| 22:27:30 | | nikos: I forgot cworth's ideal idea |
| 22:27:30 | nikos | ibot1: forget cworth's ideal idea |
| 22:27:37 | | nikos: I forgot i suspect cworth |
| 22:27:37 | nikos | ibot1: forget i suspect cworth |
| 22:27:46 | | nikos: I forgot anyway, more to the point, cworth |
| 22:27:46 | nikos | ibot1: forget anyway, more to the point, cworth |
| 22:27:54 | | nikos: I forgot right now cworth |
| 22:27:54 | nikos | ibot1: forget right now cworth |
| 22:27:57 | nikos | ibot1: search for cworth |
| 22:28:16 | | it has been said that xstroke is ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/projects/xstroke/release-0.5 |
| 22:28:16 | sjohnson | ibot1: xstroke |
| 22:28:24 | sjohnson | There |
| 22:28:42 | nikos | sjohnson: New rxvt-aa there also? |
| 22:28:48 | sjohnson | Yes |
| 22:29:12 | nikos | sjohnson: thanks |
| 22:39:54 | nikos | sjohnson: They seem pretty nice. |
| 22:40:51 | sjohnson | Now we just need to fix all of the programs that don't work right with xstroke. |
| 22:41:02 | nikos | sjohnson: Found some? |
| 22:41:20 | nikos | sjohnson: Tried any python apps, they always seems problematic for some reason, even just for tapping. |
| 22:41:38 | | hmmm... scream is an mp3 front end that was formerly known as pypaq.mp3 and pypaq. Available at http://handhelds.org/~gberenfield/ |
| 22:41:38 | nikos | ibot1: scream |
| 22:41:57 | sjohnson | dillo is the big one how. It seems the html rendering widget is problematic. |
| 22:42:13 | sjohnson | Scream behaves just fine. |
| 22:42:24 | nikos | sjohnson: Great. |
| 22:48:30 | nikos | sjohnson: Not quite, I can't push the + button. |
| 22:48:44 | nikos | sjohnson: Oh, no wait. Maybe it's just slow.... |
| 22:50:43 | nikos | sjohnson: Hmm, have you noticed any slowness with v0.5b? Scream seems to crawl comparitively speaking for me. |
| 22:51:33 | sjohnson | Not really. |
| 22:51:57 | nikos | sjohnson: Scrolling the Shoutcast category list, it can't keep up drawing, and I never noticed that previously. |
| 22:54:39 | jtm | Hey Everyone! I am starting to post some of the things that I am working on at www.pcxperience.com/ipaq |
| 22:57:34 | jtm | There isn't much there yet... |
| 22:58:46 | nikos | sjohnson: Time for me to close up shop I think, good night everyone. |
| 23:03:47 | DragonEagle | is away: hehe dinner |
| 23:15:38 | pattieja | is away: home |
| 23:22:36 | dneuer | is away: gotta finish bathing kid |
| 23:22:42 | dneuer | is back (gone 00:00:06) |
| 23:23:02 | dneuer | is away: gotta take care of spouse & parent duty |