| 01:46:14 | dneuer_away | is away: spouse time |
| 02:43:09 | sgodsell | is away: Got to go! |
| 06:12:05 | zeek | hello? |
| 06:12:18 | zeek | ask ibot1 iPaq |
| 06:14:07 | zeek | so if i get familiar install on the iPaq how do i set the keyboard up to make it useable? |
| 06:16:50 | zeek | are there by chance some live people around? |
| 06:18:21 | zeek | hello? |
| 06:19:00 | a7r | hello. |
| 06:19:00 | Disconnect | barely. |
| 06:19:06 | zeek | WOW!! people!! |
| 06:19:16 | Disconnect | #handhelds.org is a better bet usually |
| 06:19:35 | zeek | hmm... so you say i should leave this channel? |
| 06:19:40 | a7r | no.. |
| 06:19:45 | a7r | it just depends on what you want to talk about. |
| 06:19:49 | zeek | good! cause i am setting up camp! |
| 06:19:57 | zeek | pitches a tent! |
| 06:20:07 | zeek | ipaq and familiar ... just the basics |
| 06:20:54 | a7r | cool. |
| 06:20:59 | Disconnect | no, just that its sometimes easier to find people there if nobody is here ;) |
| 06:21:23 | zeek | ok cool :) |
| 06:22:05 | zeek | i might try to keep this as simple as possible, i just want to know where i can find some basic .file for configuring things like the keyboard |
| 06:22:34 | Disconnect | keyboard. onscreen keyboard, xstroke (graffiti) or stowaway? |
| 06:23:08 | zeek | opps, sorry .. on screen keyboard .. xkbd is the one i installed |
| 06:23:55 | Disconnect | ahh. dunno xkbd :( I suspect its in how it's run.. so you can try xkbd -h .. then edit /usr/lib/menu/xkbd and run 'update-menus' |
| 06:24:01 | zeek | what happens is that when i try to open it, it doesn't use the app. it changes focus to the kb window |
| 06:24:08 | Disconnect | ahhhhh |
| 06:24:20 | a7r | zeek: which version of xkbd are you running? |
| 06:24:31 | Disconnect | easy. there is a FO button (? something like that, might be green) .. click it, then click the window you want to type in. |
| 06:24:36 | zeek | and a xircom dual 10/100 NIC/Modem is a waste of the PCMCIA slots! |
| 06:25:11 | a7r | Disconnect: xkbd lacks said button. |
| 06:25:30 | zeek | not an FO button .. actually it only has the standard buttons |
| 06:25:35 | zeek | version 0.0 |
| 06:25:45 | a7r | zeek: what's your package source? |
| 06:25:51 | Disconnect | ahh. dunno then. |
| 06:26:10 | a7r | I know cworth fixed it.. |
| 06:26:28 | zeek | familiar-unstable |
| 06:26:41 | a7r | so you're using a v0.5 pre release? |
| 06:27:01 | zeek | yeah, i wanted to try a few things ... it is the base install (litterally) |
| 06:28:04 | zeek | i wanted to be able to use my PCMCIA Dual card, and hard drive |
| 06:30:21 | zeek | i am finding that the unstable version is also a bit ruff |
| 06:32:24 | zeek | WOOHOO! thank you :) |
| 06:32:33 | zeek | got the keyboard going with the correct switches :) |
| 07:39:51 | a7r | is away: sleeping |
| 08:06:02 | banshee | thinks Ng__ needs a better connection |
| 13:09:54 | dneuer | hi |
| 13:56:27 | A_J | does an 802.11b card work in the expansion sleeve in Familiar 0.4? |
| 13:57:26 | nikos | A_J: Yes, Wavelan based cards should work with Familiar out of the box, Prism2 cards can be made to work with a ipkg from sjohnson. |
| 13:57:41 | A_J | nice |
| 13:57:55 | A_J | now if i only had the money to buy an ipaq |
| 13:58:01 | nikos | :) |
| 13:59:02 | A_J | cuz the only thing i don't like about the ipaq is windows CE |
| 13:59:57 | nikos | A_J: Easily removed, but I warn you, Linux on the iPAQ is not really ready for daily PIM support yet. |
| 14:00:11 | A_J | why not? |
| 14:00:53 | nikos | A_J: Primarily a lack of application support, but even the distribution is not quite there yet, hence the v0.4 label. |
| 14:02:04 | A_J | hmmm maybe I'll get the HP release of the ipaqtype thing when it comes out....so i'm not behind as far as handheld technology goes |
| 14:03:26 | A_J | are those fold-up keyboards supported? |
| 14:04:36 | A_J | baha...you're the guinea pig |
| 14:04:53 | nikos | A_J: Yes, the stowaway keyboards are, although it's still a little awkward to handle the serial port conflict. |
| 14:04:57 | nikos | A_J: :) |
| 14:05:30 | A_J | hmmm your name reminds me of some famous American author.... |
| 14:05:46 | nikos | A_J: American? My nick or my real name? |
| 14:05:52 | A_J | real name |
| 14:05:59 | nikos | A_J: Ken Kesey? |
| 14:06:08 | A_J | yeah |
| 14:06:11 | A_J | thats it |
| 18:21:59 | DragonEagle | is away: just away |
| 18:22:17 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 00:00:03) |
| 19:15:25 | jtm | anybody around? |
| 19:16:00 | a7r | yes,. |
| 19:16:10 | jtm | I am attempting to make a backup image of what is on the flash disk using dd |
| 19:16:20 | jtm | anyone ever done that? |
| 19:16:28 | jtm | it is straight forward? |
| 19:16:32 | a7r | nope.. rsync is usually the way to go. |
| 19:17:34 | jtm | wouldnt dd=if=/dev/mtdblock/2 of=/someplace.img give me a valid image |
| 19:17:36 | jtm | ? |
| 19:17:59 | jtm | s/dd=/dd / |
| 19:18:41 | jtm | i want a snapshot of the system that I can always get back to. |
| 19:18:58 | jtm | so I can experiment with the system and easily recover |
| 19:19:19 | a7r | the only thing you have to remember is that JFFS2 has a habit of garbage collecting when you're not looking. |
| 19:19:48 | jtm | ok...how does that affect me? |
| 19:20:14 | a7r | it could be changing your flash, while you're reading it.. and IIRC the read-only mode doesn't totally work yet. |
| 19:20:52 | jtm | ok...Is there anyway to turn off the garbage collecting temporarily or is that the IIRC thing? |
| 19:21:00 | jtm | what is 'IIRC'? |
| 19:21:20 | jtm | If I Recall Correctly? |
| 19:22:02 | jtm | the garbage collector is at the kernel level eh? |
| 19:22:40 | a7r | yes. |
| 19:22:54 | jtm | what if I performed 2 dd operations and diffed the 2 files. Theoretically, they should be different if GC was happening. |
| 19:23:01 | a7r | yup. |
| 19:23:08 | jtm | yes to IIRC or yes to kernel level |
| 19:23:09 | jtm | ? |
| 19:23:19 | a7r | both. |
| 19:23:40 | jtm | I think I'll grab another image and diff anyway for fun. |
| 19:24:43 | jtm | We have 0,1,2 under /dev/mtdblock. is that partition1 = bootloader, 2 = params, 3 = root (.5pre has kernel in root) |
| 19:31:03 | jtm | ughhh.. it's locking up when accessing my CF uDrive |
| 19:43:32 | jtm | a7r: yep.. diff reports that the two binaries differ |
| 19:46:11 | jtm | the imgs that are created are close to 16M. It seems that dd is pulling the entire partition. How are the bootstrap images being created for the familiar releases? |
| 19:48:55 | jtm | oops... |
| 19:49:22 | a7r | jtm: using mkfs.jffs2 on a given section of a filesystem.. |
| 19:50:03 | jtm | a7r: as in they mount a file and then ipkg install into it? |
| 19:50:36 | a7r | jtm: no, I ipkg install into a directory, and then mkfs.jffs2 said directory. |
| 19:51:27 | jtm | ok...but i still want to take a snapshot of the existing system... |
| 19:54:53 | jtm | a7r: ! what about this...I mkfs.jffs2 on / and put the file on the ramfs? |
| 19:55:22 | jtm | ...no wait the ramfs is included in slash?.. |
| 19:55:53 | jtm | a7r: can you exclude directories with mkfs.jffs2? |
| 19:56:34 | jtm | pattieja: the uDrive is trashed |
| 20:05:33 | | jtm: huh? |
| 20:05:33 | jtm | ibot1: snapshot |
| 20:05:45 | | jtm: what? |
| 20:05:45 | jtm | ibot1: dd |
| 20:06:12 | | jtm: what? |
| 20:06:12 | jtm | ibot1: backup |
| 20:06:15 | DragonEagle | jtm: what you trying to do? |
| 20:06:44 | jtm | DragonEagle: see if the bot can give me any info on ways to take a snapshot of familiar |
| 20:06:57 | DragonEagle | a jffs2 image? |
| 20:06:59 | jtm | from a currently working ipaq |
| 20:07:18 | jtm | yes. or something that I can easily put back |
| 20:08:03 | DragonEagle | dd if=/dev/mtdblock/<rootfs> of=<output file> rootfs is usually 2 ir 3 |
| 20:08:35 | jtm | i did that...some concerns were changing of the flash while reading. |
| 20:08:53 | jtm | DragonEagle: I took two snapshots that way and did a diff on them |
| 20:09:09 | DragonEagle | hmmm, that's how I do my backup, I have a cgi that runs it and dumps it back to a browser |
| 20:09:40 | jtm | DragonEagle: so theorectically, it should be able to start with the image from any state |
| 20:09:46 | jtm | Hve you ever restored? |
| 20:09:57 | DragonEagle | yes, several times |
| 20:09:57 | jtm | s/Hve/Have/ |
| 20:10:03 | jtm | cool... |
| 20:10:08 | jtm | Are your images 16M? |
| 20:10:15 | DragonEagle | roughly |
| 20:10:26 | jtm | ok...Thank you |
| 20:10:30 | DragonEagle | np |
| 20:14:27 | timS | hmm... I'm a newbie looking for reasons why my ipaq won't boot into linux (familiar 0.4)... just did 'ls /dev/mtdblock' from bootldr's boot prompt. Nothing is there! |
| 20:14:59 | DragonEagle | probably, /dev/mtdblock is a different filesystem |
| 20:15:34 | timS | So linux has to finish loading to see it? |
| 20:15:53 | DragonEagle | pretty much, try a ls /dev/mtdblock* |
| 20:16:32 | timS | boot> ls /dev/mtdblock* |
| 20:16:32 | timS | find_inode failed for name=mtdblock* |
| 20:16:32 | timS | Failed to scan jffs2 file structure |
| 20:16:33 | timS | boot> |
| 20:17:06 | DragonEagle | hmmm, mabey it doesn't support wildcards from the bootldr |
| 20:19:28 | timS | I think you're right... I see h3600_ts and h3600_tsraw in /dev but ls /dev/h36* comes up with same error. |
| 20:20:01 | DragonEagle | what error does it give you when you boot? |
| 20:20:34 | timS | hold on a sec... let me refresh my memory. ;) |
| 20:21:00 | timS | boot> boot |
| 20:21:00 | timS | booting jffs2... |
| 20:21:00 | timS | Disabling LCD controller |
| 20:21:00 | timS | booting boot/zImage from partition >root< |
| 20:21:00 | timS | find_inode failed for name=boot |
| 20:21:00 | timS | Failed to scan jffs2 file structure |
| 20:21:02 | timS | loaded file of size = 0x00000000 at location 0xC0008000 |
| 20:21:04 | timS | kernel_magic=E1A0C000 |
| 20:21:07 | timS | kernel_region_words[9]=03A00061 |
| 20:21:08 | timS | Unrecognized kernel image |
| 20:21:10 | timS | boot> |
| 20:21:56 | timS | btw, ls /boot is empty. (clue?) |
| 20:22:04 | DragonEagle | yep, no kernel image |
| 20:23:01 | timS | But I loaded it. I followed the installation instructions almost to the letter (newer bootldr, from familiar 0.5) |
| 20:24:12 | timS | whoops, I mispoke earier. There isn't even a /boot directory. |
| 20:27:14 | timS | zImage-2.4.3-rmk2-np1-fam2 is the one I loaded... I'm going to try to reload it now. |
| 20:27:32 | timS | should I rename it to zImage? |
| 20:36:18 | timS | look at one of the messages I get when I: boot>boot flash |
| 20:36:21 | timS | Old JFFS2 bitmask found at 0x0003388c |
| 20:36:22 | timS | You cannot use older JFFS2 filesystems with newer kernels |
| 20:36:22 | timS | JFFS2: Erase block at 0x00000000 is not formatted. It will be erased |
| 20:37:05 | timS | So now the question is which jffs2 image should I use? |
| 20:43:23 | timS | Well, looks like it's back to my reading. (God... so much reading!) |
| 22:10:04 | dneuer | hi |
| 22:17:07 | dneuer_away | is away: dinner time |
| 23:23:49 | Dragon_noEagle | is away: just away |