| 01:58:44 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 18:45:23) |
| 01:59:51 | aigeek | Does anyone have Scream working? I still can't get it to run. |
| 02:19:53 | jacques | aigeek: ask on #handhelds.org - lots more ppl awake there |
| 03:59:07 | BrianR__ | hey folks. |
| 04:04:29 | DragonEagle | is away: Soj |
| 04:16:34 | BrianR__ | hmm.. My ipaq still crashes on boot even though I reloaded root.. I wonder if the kernel somehow got corrupted. |
| 06:00:31 | dxz_ | Anyone know anything about /dev/dsp |
| 06:00:33 | dxz_ | ? |
| 06:01:03 | a7r | yup. |
| 06:01:08 | dxz_ | kewl v.. |
| 06:01:22 | dxz_ | tryin to play sound but .. no dice on the dsp |
| 06:01:30 | dxz_ | do i need to mknod it?> |
| 06:01:38 | a7r | nope. |
| 06:01:45 | a7r | well, you might need a symlink.. |
| 06:01:58 | dxz_ | yeah but no /dev/sound/dsp either |
| 06:02:34 | dxz_ | thats where i need the ln from ? |
| 06:03:23 | a7r | is your module installed? |
| 06:04:03 | dxz_ | ah .. i see that i have /dev/dsp but no /dev/sound/dsp .. |
| 06:04:13 | dxz_ | ehm .. i dont know .. |
| 06:04:31 | dxz_ | what it the sound module called? |
| 06:05:39 | a7r | which kernel are you running? |
| 06:06:26 | dxz_ | 2.4.7-rmk-np1-devfs |
| 06:07:31 | a7r | h3600-uda1341 or bitsy-uda1341 |
| 06:09:30 | dxz_ | thnxz .. i must confess .. i'm running intimate .. |
| 06:09:59 | dxz_ | it would be nice to see a list of available pkgz somewhere |
| 06:11:00 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 02:06:32) |
| 06:15:34 | a7r | dxz_: check out ipkg's help.. |
| 06:26:15 | dxz_ | yah.. thnx.. m'chkin to see where apt-get stores its list |
| 08:21:49 | DragonEagle | is away: good night |
| 10:16:33 | Proteus70 | hello all |
| 10:16:49 | Proteus70 | I asked the handheld people also.. |
| 10:17:06 | Proteus70 | would you know what is the latest and greatest kernel and root for mobileIPv6 |
| 10:19:09 | Proteus70 | is the channel inactive or have I not set something correctly on my irc client?? |
| 12:17:47 | e2d2 | the shell script that was in the familiar postinst package tries to get a tarball from http://www.andern.org:80/familiar/releases/v0.4/postinst-kit.tar.gz but it doesn't exist anymore - is there a new location? |
| 12:34:58 | mallum | is away: smoking |
| 12:36:10 | nikos | mallum: tsk tsk tsk ;) |
| 12:57:06 | mallum | is back (gone 00:22:06) |
| 13:01:54 | mallum | nikos: uh, I thought smoking was cool |
| 13:10:02 | nikos | mallum: Sounds like you need new role models. ;) |
| 13:10:47 | mallum | nikos: no please dont set jg on me !!! |
| 13:12:46 | | cworth was last seen on #handhelds.org 3 days, 16 hours, 51 minutes and 35 seconds ago, saying: later all. [Fri Oct 5 21:21:11 2001] |
| 13:12:46 | mallum | ibot: seen cworth |
| 13:13:11 | | keith-p was last seen on #handhelds.org 19 days, 18 hours, 53 minutes and 38 seconds ago, saying: a7r: need bits soon; must have them ready in about an hour. [Wed Sep 19 19:19:33 2001] |
| 13:13:11 | mallum | ibot: seen keith-p |
| 13:19:31 | bisp | Hi |
| 13:19:42 | bisp | i've got a question |
| 13:20:06 | bisp | I would like to force umounting of my flashcard even if it is busy |
| 13:20:33 | bisp | I've read that some versions of umount have a -force option |
| 13:20:49 | bisp | but the one in familiar 0.4 doesn't seem to have it |
| 13:20:54 | bisp | what can I do? |
| 13:23:06 | nikos | bisp: You tried -f ? |
| 13:28:51 | pattieja | is away: I'm busy |
| 13:29:09 | pattieja | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 13:29:24 | bisp | yes, but it says taht the device is busy |
| 13:46:39 | nikos | bisp: What's the story? Is the device still physically attached? Are you sure you aren't using any files/running any programs from the device? |
| 13:47:22 | nikos | bisp: -f may only apply to NFS (reading between the lines of the manpage). |
| 13:52:44 | slon | bisp: -f works only for unavail NFS fs |
| 14:54:13 | bisp | ok thanks |
| 14:54:49 | bisp | but what I would like to do is umount the device even if I'm using files on it |
| 15:00:50 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 06:39:00) |
| 15:01:48 | nikos | is away: Errands |
| 15:11:14 | sjohnson_lunch | is away: lunch |
| 15:45:09 | DragonEagle | is away: appointment |
| 16:27:01 | banshee | is away: at school |
| 16:54:59 | nikos | is back |
| 17:28:28 | | Disconnect: i'm not following you... |
| 17:28:28 | Disconnect | ibot: lothlorien |
| 17:28:31 | | lorien is probably ftp://lorien.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/demo or the bleeding-edge demo site CRL runs |
| 17:28:31 | Disconnect | ibot: lorien |
| 17:28:41 | Disconnect | wonders if lorien == lothlorien |
| 17:30:20 | nikos | Disconnect: Yes, same system. |
| 17:33:41 | Disconnect | nikos: ipaq went insane. |
| 17:34:03 | Disconnect | ok now its back. hrm. |
| 17:35:25 | mccarthy | nikos: you ever have a "dust" problem? |
| 17:40:56 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 01:55:47) |
| 17:42:14 | [mike] | hi guys! |
| 17:48:39 | [mike] | nikos: new problem since last reflash... rotation doesn't work anymore with BB |
| 17:53:43 | [mike] | nikos: and I only have one error when it fails... could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/, removing from list! |
| 17:57:00 | nikos | [mike]: Ignorable error, we have no such fonts. I also remove the 75dpi fonts on mine. Totally ignorable. |
| 17:57:14 | [mike] | nikos: it looks like it has troubles restarting BB after the rotation |
| 17:57:31 | nikos | [mike]: I don't follow BB, it may not be ready for XRender. |
| 17:57:38 | [mike] | nikos: if I kill X from a ssh session and restart it, it is ok util I rerotate it |
| 17:58:04 | [mike] | nikos: eek, could you remove '-dpi 100' from the x init script? ;) |
| 18:00:22 | nikos | [mike]: That's not the same thing at all. |
| 18:00:55 | nikos | [mike]: The display IS roughly 100 dpi, we just don't use the 100 DPI fonts, as the files are LARGE and the screen is rather small for such fonts. |
| 18:03:38 | [mike] | ok, is there a place where I can disable the 100 dpi font... I don't like having useless errors |
| 18:04:18 | nikos | [mike]: I'm not an X expert, but I think that's a pointless battle. This IS a v0.* release and we have a LOT of debug messages. Don't get hung up on messages showing up on the console or you will just go nuts. |
| 18:04:39 | [mike] | OK... when will 1.x be out? ;) |
| 18:04:49 | [mike] | hides |
| 18:05:24 | [mike] | it's just that I know some of my users... they would point that as major bugs |
| 18:05:32 | [mike] | even if it is not ;) |
| 18:05:44 | nikos | [mike]: You shouldn't be deploying a development distribution in my opinion. |
| 18:05:48 | Disconnect | [mike]: so add console=/dev/null to linuxargs |
| 18:06:02 | [mike] | I know but there is no way I'm gonna support CE |
| 18:06:17 | Disconnect | [mike]: um. all things considered, I'd rather deploy CE. |
| 18:06:54 | [mike] | maybe we'll just keep the linux ipaq for the IT team until v1 is out |
| 18:07:10 | Disconnect | with CE its very hard to get a brick. basically impossible. with linux, very easy. |
| 18:07:32 | [mike] | yep, but I consider using CE on an ipaq a complete waste of resources |
| 18:07:33 | Disconnect | (for the standard Win* user anyway) |
| 18:07:41 | Disconnect | so give them palmpilots |
| 18:07:57 | [mike] | yep, in the meantime it would be a solution |
| 18:09:21 | Disconnect | although in theory you could give them QPE, if you can lock down bits&pieces (run as a user, no package install/remove etc) |
| 18:09:48 | Disconnect | is trying qpe again - last time I used it was when everything was cramfs ;) .. maybe it, too, is a waste of resources, but we'll see. |
| 18:09:56 | [mike] | yep that may also be a solution |
| 18:10:11 | [mike] | Disconnect: it is very cute... see http://www.notageek.net |
| 18:11:05 | [mike] | Disconnect: it is evil in some ways (ie, no dynamic update of the menus + mp3 using floating point) |
| 18:12:44 | Disconnect | heard about the floating-point mp3 .. but thats what madplay is for. |
| 18:13:20 | [mike] | Disconnect: agreed... |
| 18:13:56 | [mike] | Disconnect: it also has battery drainage evilness too, if it suspends itself and you resume it, you have backlight at max with no way of turning it back to normal |
| 18:14:25 | Disconnect | [mike]: new ts driver solves that problem. (as does 'bl' from the cmdline) |
| 18:14:56 | [mike] | Disconnect: yep, but command line from qpe takes mem (kconsoleembed + bash) |
| 18:15:51 | Disconnect | got mem. swap-over-clik-drive. (dual sleeve rules, can't wait to get microdrive for it and -really- rawk) |
| 18:15:57 | | clik drive is at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Click%20Drive |
| 18:15:57 | Disconnect | ibot: clik drive |
| 18:16:35 | [mike] | Disconnect: right now, I have a 64 CF + a 256 on its way and filled a company order for the tosh 5gb |
| 18:17:00 | [mike] | Disconnect: bad thing is that dual sleeve is not available here... yet |
| 18:17:33 | [mike] | Disconnect: we only started to find CF and single sleeves in shops 2 weeks ago |
| 18:17:51 | Disconnect | [mike]: sell you my old single sleeve. :) |
| 18:18:12 | [mike] | Disconnect: I already have mine and find it quite bulky |
| 18:18:24 | Disconnect | dual is worse, some ways. |
| 18:18:34 | Disconnect | is off - smokey treat time. |
| 18:45:24 | gls | is anyone using the new stowaway keyboard stuff? |
| 18:45:51 | gls | i just upgraded for it |
| 18:45:58 | gls | and must have forgotten something |
| 18:58:44 | [mike] | gls: unable to get it to work? do you have sthg about 'line discipline' in a term if you launch stwod by hand? |
| 18:59:02 | | AAHH! |
| 18:59:02 | [mike] | ibot scream |
| 18:59:06 | [mike] | aaargh! |
| 18:59:09 | | Aaaahh! |
| 18:59:09 | Disconnect | ibot: scream |
| 18:59:11 | | scream is an mp3 front end that was formerly known as pypaq.mp3 and pypaq. Available at http://handhelds.org/~gberenfield/ |
| 18:59:11 | Disconnect | ibot: scream |
| 18:59:19 | Disconnect | hrm. |
| 18:59:47 | gls | no, i'm using andrew's new 2.4.7 kernel that no longer requires stowd, if i read the mail he sent to the list correctly |
| 19:00:55 | Disconnect | gls: no stowd, but does require a new module.. got the module? (saw that message. want a stowaway. need the $$ for one. ;) ..) |
| 19:01:10 | gls | dis: yes, i have the module |
| 19:01:17 | nikos | gls: And you've got both the console and getty out of the way? |
| 19:01:17 | gls | dis: and i added it to /etc/modules |
| 19:01:33 | [mike] | Disconnect: got a stowaway but was unable to get it working :( |
| 19:01:43 | [mike] | Disconnect: only tried for 10 minutes |
| 19:01:45 | gls | nikos: perhaps not && i'l check again [two ipaqen make for silly errors] |
| 19:10:55 | gls | nikos: must be one of those as i've got device || resource busy |
| 19:12:18 | gls | nikos: but i've commented getty out of runlevel 3, where i am |
| 19:12:48 | nikos | gls: Did you remove console=/dev/ttySA0 from our linuxargs? |
| 19:12:57 | gls | nikos: looking at that now |
| 19:13:28 | gls | nikos: either didn't change || save params |
| 19:13:38 | nikos | gls: That's possible, I forget it myself sometimes. |
| 19:13:41 | gls | thx && will-try-now |
| 19:16:46 | gls | all: well, that was it. forgot to take console out of params && stow keyboard working now |
| 19:17:26 | nikos | gls: So working now? |
| 19:17:43 | nikos | gls: Can you go through the process for those of us who are having to help people with this every day? |
| 19:18:25 | gls | nikos: yes. am writing down notes. then will test on frest ipaq to assert that they are well-written |
| 19:18:44 | nikos | gls: Thank you very much. |
| 19:18:45 | gls | [or at least work] |
| 19:19:43 | nikos | jamey: Hiya |
| 19:20:02 | [mike] | gls: can you send me a copy? I have the stowaway unfolded in front of me ;) |
| 19:21:03 | nikos | gls: If you could put it up on the wiki that would be great. |
| 19:21:05 | gls | mike: give me a few minutes to type && you can test [ok]? |
| 19:21:16 | [mike] | gls: OK |
| 19:21:39 | gls | nikos: np |
| 19:25:07 | [mike] | oh shit... pppd needs getty right? |
| 19:25:59 | nikos | [mike]: Yes. But how could you use stowaway and pppd simultaneously anyway? |
| 19:26:52 | [mike] | nikos: not at the same time... I #'ed the getty line before restarting to test the stowaway |
| 19:27:17 | [mike] | and since it's a fresh flash, I had not installed xstroke or virtual keyboard yet |
| 19:27:29 | [mike] | feels dumb |
| 19:27:38 | [mike] | slaps himself with a large trout |
| 19:27:55 | nikos | [mike]: Change linuxargs init to /bin/sh |
| 19:27:57 | sjohnson | [mike]: Not a problem your can fake it without an editor |
| 19:28:23 | [mike] | nikos: yeah, I was thinking linuxargs |
| 19:28:25 | sjohnson | ls |
| 19:28:25 | nikos | [mike]: In future, change the runlevel to remove the getty. |
| 19:28:51 | [mike] | nikos: that's what I tried the last time, swotched to level 4 which had no getty and the device was not freed |
| 19:28:52 | nikos | sjohnson: I don't think an editor is the problem, it's a lack of a text input method. |
| 19:29:07 | nikos | [mike]: Well, I don't use it, but that IS supposed to work. |
| 19:29:14 | [mike] | I know |
| 19:29:16 | [mike] | ;) |
| 19:29:40 | sjohnson | silly me. didn't read the whole message. |
| 19:31:02 | [mike] | slaps himself a second time for good measure ;) |
| 20:38:01 | dmi | hi |
| 20:39:11 | dmi | someone here can answer on some questions about GPS + iPaq + linux ? |
| 20:47:19 | sjohnson | dmi: nelson if the follow your want to talk to. He developed a GPS application for the ipaq. |
| 20:47:26 | | sjohnson: excuse me? |
| 20:47:26 | sjohnson | ibot: pygps |
| 20:47:41 | sjohnson | ibot: search for gps |
| 20:48:07 | | rumour has it gps is http://russnelson.com/ipaq/gps/ |
| 20:48:07 | sjohnson | ibot: gps |
| 20:48:16 | dmi | ajohnson: thank you. |
| 20:48:27 | dmi | oh! |
| 20:48:56 | sjohnson | dmi: From what I hear. It's a pretty nify application. |
| 20:49:39 | sjohnson | nelson: Pops in from time to time on IRC. #handhelds.org, #ipaq and #familiar |
| 20:49:49 | sjohnson | dmi: nelson Pops in from time to time on IRC. #handhelds.org, #ipaq and #familiar |
| 20:50:03 | | nelson was last seen on #handhelds.org 4 days, 17 hours, 21 minutes and 33 seconds ago, saying: tnx! [Fri Oct 5 04:28:30 2001] |
| 20:50:03 | sjohnson | ibot: seen nelson? |
| 20:50:59 | dmi | sjohnson: i wonder not about a bot, but about it's database and project ... |
| 20:51:09 | dmi | sjohnson: thank you |
| 20:52:12 | sjohnson | dmi: ibot is a nity little IRC bot, It keeps tracks of facts and people and som other things. |
| 20:52:26 | | You are nothing but a fen-sucked assload of pickled dog balls. |
| 20:52:26 | sjohnson | ibot: insult sjohnson |
| 20:52:36 | sjohnson | :) |
| 20:52:45 | | :) |
| 20:52:45 | sjohnson | ibot: botsnack |
| 20:52:49 | dmi | sjohnson: maybe i should install it on my irc server ;) |
| 20:54:04 | dmi | sjohnson: are there any applications for iPaq like GIS ? ( GPS->map ) |
| 20:54:42 | dmi | sjohnson: I am newbie in handhelds, never used them |
| 20:55:35 | sjohnson | dmi: I really don't know. Search through the mailing list archives and Wiki pages on handhelds.org. |
| 20:55:58 | sjohnson | dmi: There is a lot going in with linux on iPAQ. Its sometimes hard to keep up with it all. |
| 20:56:06 | dmi | sjohnson: okay... are there any emulators for iPaq for a.e. Linux ? |
| 20:58:51 | sjohnson | dmi: A few. There are xmame and snes9 gaming emulators. And another one who names escapes me a the moment. |
| 21:00:18 | dmi | sjohnson: kewl... this project already does not seem that crazy to me ;) |
| 21:01:39 | sjohnson | dmi: There are wide things going on. Somebody is porting a Mainframe emulator to the Ipaq. Hercules IIRC |
| 21:01:50 | | i don't know, sjohnson |
| 21:01:50 | sjohnson | ibot: hercules? |
| 21:02:00 | sjohnson | ibot: search for mainframe |
| 21:03:14 | | wish i knew, dmi |
| 21:03:14 | dmi | ibot: gis? |
| 21:03:30 | dmi | ;) |
| 21:04:05 | dmi | wow .. python + gdk... |
| 21:05:55 | sjohnson | dmi: Searc the e-mail archives. There are some discussions on GPS and maybe GIS (my memory may be playing tricks on me) |
| 21:06:25 | dmi | sjohnson: thank you ! |
| 21:06:40 | sjohnson | You welcome. |
| 21:11:23 | sjohnson | 2.4.3 does work with single sleeves. |
| 21:12:03 | sgodsell | is away: Got to go! |
| 21:45:36 | Scoops | yeaux |
| 21:46:12 | Scoops | anyone around? |
| 22:07:42 | mallum | jg: is that you ? |
| 22:08:32 | jg | for small values of me... |
| 22:08:42 | Scoops | small values? |
| 22:09:21 | jg | don't feel much like myself, but under the circumstances, that I feel at all is OK. |
| 22:09:34 | mallum | did you get your op ? |
| 22:09:53 | jg | yup. |
| 22:09:59 | mallum | and it went ok ? |
| 22:10:41 | jg | gave the surgeon more trouble than any previous patient, though the surgery itself came out ok. |
| 22:11:23 | mallum | cool, thats good to hear |
| 22:11:38 | mallum | you gave the surgeon trouble ? |
| 22:12:41 | Scoops | kicked the surgeons ass |
| 22:13:14 | jg | procedure took 7.25 hours: estimate was that it was going to take 5.5. Broke not one, but *two* surgical saws on my skull. |
| 22:13:27 | mallum | ouch |
| 22:13:48 | mallum | my batterys gonna die in a mo ... |
| 22:14:04 | jg | being under anesthesia that long is *not* wonderful. |
| 22:14:05 | Scoops | jg was this a wisdom tooth thing? |
| 22:14:16 | Scoops | i guess not |
| 22:14:32 | jg | Scoops: two wisdom teeth were in the way, and were removed: that took one hour of the extra time. |
| 22:14:38 | mallum | jg: new xkbd rewrite with AA, resize, xpms and ugliness -> http://mallum.com/img/xkbd.png |
| 22:15:36 | Scoops | mallum, is that on an ipaq? |
| 22:15:59 | mallum | no laptop at the mo - under development |
| 22:15:59 | nikos | jg: Hi! |
| 22:16:16 | Scoops | was curious, looked a bit large |
| 22:16:20 | jg | nikos: hi. |
| 22:16:20 | mallum | heh |
| 22:16:29 | nikos | jg: I'm glad you are doing well. |
| 22:16:55 | jg | nikos: for small values of well. I still don't feel ok. but the surgery went ok, in the end. |
| 22:17:12 | nikos | jg: Well, hearing from you is a very good sign as far as I'm concerned. |
| 22:17:34 | mallum | jg: how long before you'll know if you can sleep better ? |
| 22:18:58 | jg | mallum: right now, my sleep is limited by how long pain meds work for. I am encouraged by the fact that I wake up in pain, rather than for other reasons. My airway is visibily larger in X rays even to an untrained eye. |
| 22:19:28 | mallum | jg: that sound promising. I hope it is better for you. |
| 22:19:50 | mallum | ok bedtime for me |
| 22:19:55 | mallum | night all |
| 22:20:01 | jg | it is promising. The surgery has statistically about a 80% chance of complete cure. |
| 22:20:07 | nikos | jg: Excellent. |
| 22:20:45 | nikos | jg: I finally started delving into xlib programming. Took me a while to figure out how to know when the window manager had closed my main window but I finally worked it out. ;) |
| 22:21:00 | nikos | s/closed/deleted/ |
| 22:21:58 | nikos | jg: I'm really reluctant to make mixer yet another dock app. We just don't have the remove for multiple dock apps. We're going to need a dock app that is a drop down menu of dock apps or something. |
| 22:45:00 | [DoG] | finally got my lan up on the Ipaq.. but i can't seem to install the meta package "task-familiar-complete" even after "ipkg update" can someone help |
| 22:45:41 | nikos | [DoG]: First what version did you install? |
| 22:45:58 | [DoG] | familiar 0.5 |
| 22:46:15 | nikos | [DoG]: Can you ping familiar.handhelds.org? |
| 22:46:24 | [DoG] | yes thats all fine.. |
| 22:46:48 | nikos | [DoG]: Did you already 'ipkg update ; ipkg upgrade'? |
| 22:46:52 | [DoG] | yup |
| 22:47:06 | [DoG] | and postinst too |
| 22:47:20 | [DoG] | and ntpdate :) |
| 22:47:35 | nikos | [DoG]: Looks like the instructions need updating. It's now called task-complete |
| 22:47:55 | nikos | a7r: Wrong package name for complete package on v0.5 instructions. |
| 22:48:59 | [DoG] | ok let me check |
| 22:53:14 | nikos | [DoG]: That's very odd, ls -l the file and make sure it's writeable. |
| 22:55:08 | [DoG] | ok will try after the task-complete finished.. i see some issues not sure if they are problems.. it checks for dependancies in the /ipkg/lists dir but doesnt find anything. so it continues.. will this be a problem later on.. ? |
| 22:56:03 | nikos | [DoG]: Please explain, what error message are you seeing? |
| 22:56:29 | [DoG] | ok I'm logging .. let this finish and I'll get back to u with the exact msg |
