| 00:05:00 | sgodsell | is back (gone 02:52:58) |
| 01:20:42 | DragonEagle | is away: just away |
| 01:20:58 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 00:00:01) |
| 02:54:11 | BrianR__ | ipkg is on crack or something. it insists packages are up to date when ipkg info shows a newer version is available.. |
| 02:56:01 | BrianR__ | Like both hh6 and hh9 versions are available. |
| 02:56:07 | BrianR__ | and for some reason ipkg doesn't upgrade. |
| 03:13:49 | frowies | is away: Ya vuelvo che... |
| 03:34:03 | beeblebrox | is away: Away! |
| 03:34:05 | beeblebrox | is back (gone 00:00:01) |
| 03:36:02 | sgodsell | is away: Got to go. Take care eveyone :-) |
| 03:59:54 | DragonEagle | is away: just away |
| 04:47:33 | BrianR__ | beeblebrox: heh. wrong channel. I'm testing a hacked up changate in #978... |
| 06:07:36 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 02:07:42) |
| 07:31:06 | DragonEagle | is away: good night all |
| 08:38:20 | bisp | hi |
| 08:40:38 | bisp | I would like to compile the cardmgr utility, but when I do it and replace the one in my ipaq it freezes |
| 08:56:08 | bisp | can someone help me? |
| 11:39:45 | Scoops | hello |
| 11:59:04 | nim | Anyone know if stowd has been fixed in 0.5 yet? |
| 11:59:12 | Scoops | *shrug* |
| 11:59:16 | Scoops | i'm brand new at this |
| 11:59:28 | Scoops | gonna develop a pop3 client 1st |
| 11:59:43 | Scoops | so i can get my email while playing DAoC =) |
| 12:34:38 | mallum | hi nikos |
| 12:37:47 | nikos | Hello mallum |
| 12:58:03 | beeblebrox | is away: Away! |
| 13:18:04 | Proteus70 | hey guys.. |
| 13:18:19 | Proteus70 | a quick question... |
| 13:18:48 | Proteus70 | what would you consider as better xwin manager for ipaq.. |
| 13:19:15 | Proteus70 | I got the 0.5 dist working so far but need to get some apps on it to make it useful.. |
| 13:23:40 | nikos | Proteus70: Ion is considered the current standard. |
| 13:23:57 | nikos | Proteus70: It's the best we've found until possibly a more customized window manager appears. |
| 13:27:21 | Proteus70 | how about blackbox |
| 13:31:02 | nikos | Proteus70: We used, and most of us do not consider it appropriate to a handheld. In 90% of cases, on a 240x320 display, you want the window to be maximized. Dragging around windows is simply distracting on such a small screen. |
| 13:36:57 | Proteus70 | cool |
| 13:37:46 | nikos | Proteus70: That is not to say Ion is perfect. It's simply the best choice we have so far. |
| 13:38:50 | Proteus70 | sure.. |
| 13:39:33 | Proteus70 | one question..how do you generate the dsa keys for the host in ssh? |
| 13:39:37 | Disconnect | nikos: biggest thing that helped me w/ ion was wiping out most of the keybindings. |
| 13:39:38 | | somebody said ssh was http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/OpenSSH and http://www.openssh.org |
| 13:39:38 | Disconnect | ibot: ssh |
| 13:42:05 | Proteus70 | where are these key bindings? |
| 13:42:32 | nikos | Disconnect: I don't understand. What did that do for you? |
| 13:42:49 | Proteus70 | well it keeps saying that it cannto |
| 13:43:03 | Proteus70 | it cannot find the dsa key for the host... |
| 13:43:14 | | ssh keys is ssh-keygen -b 512 -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key -N ''; ssh-keygen -d -b 512 -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key -N '' |
| 13:43:14 | nikos | ibot: ssh keys |
| 13:43:18 | nikos | Proteus70: Do that. |
| 13:43:52 | Proteus70 | hey...you're a mate man... |
| 13:49:32 | Proteus70 | BTW is Ion in the task-x pkg? |
| 13:49:43 | mastre | yo |
| 13:50:05 | nikos | Proteus70: Technically no, that is simply a dependency package, but in v0.5, one of those dependencies should be ion, yes. |
| 13:50:54 | sgodsell | is back (gone 10:14:51) |
| 13:51:30 | mastre | i've trouble with qpe and familiar 0.5, i don't have any taskbar to launch handwriting etc... |
| 13:52:58 | slon | mastre: ipkg install qpe-taskbar qpe-handwriting qpe-keyboard |
| 13:53:14 | mastre | it's already done:) |
| 13:54:07 | mastre | a friend has the same bug, after a fresh install of both familiar and qpe yesterday |
| 13:54:16 | slon | i had the same problem with symlinks in /opt/QtPalmtop/plugins/inputmethods |
| 13:55:12 | mastre | yes! |
| 13:55:27 | mastre | the symlinks are broken thanks:) |
| 13:55:33 | slon | mastre: double check your filesystem - i had lot of problems with broken symlinks! |
| 13:55:50 | slon | i had to reflash root image 3 times today :-( |
| 13:55:56 | mastre | me too with ssh and qpe in init.d |
| 13:56:45 | slon | mastre: also /opt/QtPalmtop/plugins/applets need fixing |
| 13:57:39 | mastre | ok i'll do that :) |
| 13:58:01 | slon | mastre: what iPAQ do you have? i suspect it is 3670 specific problem ... |
| 13:58:44 | mastre | nop i've h3630 with bootloader 2.15.15 |
| 13:59:37 | slon | mastre: hm then it is 0.5 problem <g> |
| 14:00:33 | mastre | all was working fine with older bootloader (2.14.15) and familiar 0.5 ... |
| 14:01:10 | mastre | and hh6 bootstrap version |
| 14:01:15 | mastre | now i've hh9 ... |
| 14:02:11 | slon | mastre: i have hh7 |
| 14:03:28 | mastre | slon: ok ... it's a mystery:) |
| 14:07:38 | mastre | slon: i've fixed all dependancies in applets and inputmethods, and it works fine now, thank you:)) |
| 14:10:54 | slon | mastre: no prob - i was fighting it more then 2 hours :-)) (also other problems) |
| 14:13:05 | mastre | you won 2 fights, your and mine ;) |
| 14:13:41 | Proteus70 | strange thing.. |
| 14:13:51 | Proteus70 | I sorted out ssh and tried to login remotely |
| 14:13:54 | Proteus70 | but |
| 14:14:06 | Proteus70 | it keeps denying the permission... |
| 14:14:21 | Proteus70 | the thing is that I have allowed the root to be able to login from sshd config |
| 14:14:24 | Proteus70 | any clues |
| 14:14:27 | Proteus70 | ? |
| 14:16:30 | mastre | you don't need to allow the root to be able to login, it's made by default in familiar |
| 14:19:04 | nikos | Morning sjohnson |
| 14:19:25 | nikos | Proteus70: What direction? ipaq to desktop or desktop to ipaq? |
| 14:19:56 | sjohnson | hi ni |
| 14:20:15 | nikos | sjohnson: We are the Knights from ni! |
| 14:21:01 | sjohnson | heh. need morning caffiene... |
| 14:21:23 | sjohnson | I had to get up at 2 am to turn on my AC. It was 80 in my house. |
| 14:28:48 | Proteus70 | well dtop to ipaq |
| 14:40:26 | nikos | Proteus70: ssh -l root <ipaq ip> password 'rootme'? |
| 14:47:53 | Proteus70 | nikos it works now ...it sounds as if I did something wrong before.. |
| 14:47:56 | Proteus70 | bwt |
| 14:49:04 | Proteus70 | btw...is telnet access disabled on the ipaq |
| 14:49:54 | mastre | telnetd is not installed by default |
| 14:50:10 | mastre | but you can install sshd easyly |
| 14:51:08 | Proteus70 | yes yes..the problem is not the installation of ssh...it is already in...I was just wondering... :) |
| 14:51:53 | mastre | oups ok:) |
| 14:52:24 | Proteus70 | so far the 0.5 install has been sleek...good job guys... keep it up... |
| 15:01:17 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 07:30:09) |
| 15:05:23 | sjohnson_lunch | is away: lunch |
| 15:29:54 | Proteus70 | hey guys...a few hickups that I noticed...during bootup it mentions that it could not find unix, ramfs nwfpe modules.. |
| 15:29:58 | Proteus70 | where are they...? |
| 15:30:47 | nikos | Proteus70: What is the exact error messages? |
| 15:31:45 | Proteus70 | oops...I've just hit my space limit....is there any way to get around that...I kind of don't understand partitioning of flash/dram..etc |
| 15:31:55 | Proteus70 | messgs coming right up.. |
| 15:32:40 | nikos | Proteus70: That's pretty amazing, you must have gone nuts installing stuff. |
| 15:33:31 | nikos | Proteus70: You really do need to use some care, ipkg does not check for available space. |
| 15:37:55 | frowies | is away: Ya vuelvo che... |
| 15:40:50 | Proteus70 | true :((( |
| 15:41:26 | Proteus70 | I actually went about installing the complete package and then on top of it I installed a few others like ftp.. |
| 15:41:38 | Proteus70 | how do you go about deinstalling something though? |
| 15:42:07 | Disconnect | Proteus70: best bet is start over with the base image. but you can 'ipkg remove package' .. usually gets everything, but not always |
| 16:01:50 | Proteus70 | guys is there any documentation about how the 64 MB of memory are divided in the partitions? |
| 16:02:37 | Proteus70 | I do not understand how it is possible to get only 15 MB of space when you have another 49 MB available to play with |
| 16:03:15 | Disconnect | Proteus70: ram isn't flash. 15M flash. 64M ram. (and if you think on it, it'll occur to you that programs, kernel, etc all need ram to run in...) |
| 16:07:06 | Proteus70 | ahahhh....so the total is 79 mb, right? |
| 16:22:48 | Disconnect | Proteus70: no. ram is NOT flash. flash is NOT ram. |
| 16:37:06 | pattieja | is away: lunch |
| 16:38:19 | rhartley | Has anyone seen the xvkbd sources with the iPAQ mods anywhere? - thanks |
| 16:41:41 | Ng | hrm, which package does 'passwd' live in? |
| 16:42:08 | sjohnson | is back (gone 01:36:45) |
| 16:52:28 | Ng | is there a way to stop the ipaq suspending if its in the cradle? |
| 17:16:02 | pattieja | is back (gone 00:38:56) |
| 17:20:38 | sjohnson | I finished my mp3 endurance test using a dual sleeve and a 1GB microdrive - 9 hours and some change. |
| 17:25:05 | Disconnect | sjohnson: was that to encode a 1 minute wav? ;) |
| 17:26:28 | [mike] | nikos: good news, I think I've spotted what caused me problems in the previous install of my iPaq |
| 17:26:58 | sjohnson | Disconnect: :-P |
| 17:27:20 | sjohnson | Disconnect: It was 9 continous hours of plyaing MP3's |
| 17:28:34 | Disconnect | heh. cool. |
| 17:29:25 | Disconnect | sjohnson: w/ or w/o repeats? ;) |
| 17:29:32 | sjohnson | I was realy surprised. I only selected around 3 1/2 hours of sounds from the microdrive. Got to be a bit monotonous towards the end. :) |
| 17:29:59 | Disconnect | didn't know we needed that. Has done 8-9 hours of streaming mp3 over wireless before w/o a problem. Not off a microdrive tho. |
| 17:31:45 | sjohnson | Well I might have gotten a some more time. I gave out before the power did. It was after 12:30 AM. |
| 17:31:59 | Disconnect | wait, that was on battery? |
| 17:32:03 | Disconnect | was on ac power. |
| 17:32:24 | sjohnson | Disconnect: Yes. That was battery power. |
| 17:33:25 | sjohnson | No other apps running. Fully charges ipaq and dual sleeve. Screen saver set to 10 secs. And only glance at the screen ever 30 mins to 1 hour to look at battery level |
| 17:33:28 | Disconnect | wow, cool deal :) |
| 17:37:51 | nikos | [mike]: Oh? |
| 17:41:23 | mastre | please, does anyone knows how to launch apps in blackbox without window decoration ? (ex fscrib) |
| 17:41:48 | mastre | -s |
| 17:43:28 | [mike] | nikos: somehow related to the stowaway or ext2 modules |
| 17:43:40 | nikos | [mike]: That's odd. |
| 17:43:42 | [mike] | nikos: it only behaves like that after the install of those 2 packs |
| 17:43:58 | [mike] | nikos: and now, I know how to fix it ;) |
| 17:44:41 | [mike] | nikos: might be a faulty CF card... will check with the 256 tomorrow and will try jffs2 on the old one tonite |
| 17:45:23 | nikos | [mike]: Hmm, OK. |
| 17:45:50 | [mike] | nikos: when that happens, I have to connect through serial, insmod everything needed by pppd |
| 17:46:07 | [mike] | nikos: the ppp connect, ssh into it and reinstall kernel+modules |
| 17:47:00 | [mike] | nikos: restart it and it's fine again... weird isn't it |
| 17:48:37 | nikos | [mike]: That does seem weird yes. |
| 17:49:13 | [mike] | nikos: and I fell it's more likely to be coming from stowaway modules |
| 17:49:17 | nikos | [mike]: What does the CF card have to do with it? Do you have someting installed on it? Or do you think the card is leading to a module crash? |
| 17:49:41 | [mike] | nikos: I wonder if it's not part of leading to a module crash at a point |
| 17:49:59 | nikos | [mike]: You should be getting something on serial console in that case. |
| 17:50:47 | [mike] | nikos: the only way for me to be sure is to cross strace and strace depmod the next time it segfaults |
| 17:52:07 | [mike] | nikos: I might have some cool infos about the reason of the crash then |
| 18:27:16 | tuc | Hi All... I now have my Intel card, which uses the xirc2ps_cs module, which is mentioned in /lib/modules/2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs/pcmcia, but links to ../kernel/drivers/net/pcmcia/xirc2ps_cs.o which doesn't exist. How do I get this? (v0.5) |
| 18:29:28 | | tuc: huh? |
| 18:29:28 | tuc | ibot xirc2ps_cs |
| 18:29:49 | | tuc: sorry... |
| 18:29:49 | tuc | ibot xirc2ps_cs.o |
| 18:30:11 | sjohnson | tuc: Its in the xirc2ps-modules... ipkg file. |
| 18:30:36 | tuc | sjohnson: Ok, lemme see if I can find it... |
| 18:31:04 | sjohnson | tuc: Just 'ipkg install xirc2ps-modules' should do the trick. |
| 18:31:52 | sjohnson | Opps, er 'ipkg install xirc2ps-modules-<kernel-version>' |
| 18:32:46 | tuc | sjohnson: Um, that means I need connectivity, huh? 8-) (Catch 22) |
| 18:33:17 | [mike] | tuc: ppp connection through cradle |
| 18:33:31 | sjohnson | tuc: You can zmodem the the .ipk file over minicom and install it locally. |
| 18:33:42 | [mike] | that too ;) |
| 18:33:43 | tuc | sjohnson: Going to do just that. BRB |
| 18:34:20 | Proteus70 | could anyone please tell me how to enable ipv6 and mipv6 |
| 18:36:23 | sjohnson | Proteus70: The ipv6 kernels modules need to be loaded. And you need the appropriate ip6 tools. That are avail. in the lorien feed. |
| 18:36:41 | | sjohnson: sorry... |
| 18:36:41 | sjohnson | ibot: lorin feed |
| 18:36:45 | | well, lorien feed is ftp://lothlorien.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/ |
| 18:36:45 | sjohnson | ibot: lorien feed |
| 18:37:52 | Proteus70 | and they are still good for 0.5 ?? |
| 18:38:34 | sjohnson | THey should be. CRL general build kernels with ip6 enabled. |
| 18:38:55 | sjohnson | v0.5 isn't really kernel dependent |
| 18:39:25 | [mbm] | with the exception of all the modules in the provided image compiled for 2.4.7 |
| 18:40:37 | Proteus70 | right but I see here in 0.5 a kernel 2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs #6 |
| 18:41:05 | Proteus70 | would the hh9 2.4.7 kernel ipv6 tools be ok? |
| 18:41:42 | sjohnson | Proteus70: Yes. Most of the changes are ARM specific. |
| 18:41:57 | Proteus70 | supaaaa.. |
| 18:42:42 | [mbm] | hmm gofigre that the kenrel partition defined in the 0.4 instructions isn't large enough for the 2.4.7 kernel |
| 18:43:44 | sjohnson | [mbm]: It's fine for the 2.4.3 kernel. The new kernel just got a little too big the the 512K partition size. |
| 18:44:16 | [mbm] | sjohnson: right, I was going to try the 0.5 image but it looks like I'll ahve to figure out how to suffle things around |
| 18:45:18 | sjohnson | [mbm]: With 0.5 you don't need a kernel partition. The bootldr loads it directly from jffs2 root partition. |
| 18:45:51 | [mbm] | oh? hmm |
| 18:46:41 | Proteus70 | true |
| 18:51:12 | dneuer_away | is away: watching kid |
| 18:54:56 | [mbm] | damn xmodem transfers take forever |
| 18:56:56 | samd | i just loaded 0.5 and all is well but looks like pppd is missing or i just can't find it. |
| 18:57:18 | Disconnect | samd: not installed in base. quite a few people don't use it. (although I think it'll be back for 0.5-release) |
| 18:57:25 | sjohnson | taskbootstrap doesn't have pppd for ssh loaded. |
| 18:57:33 | sjohnson | s/for/or/ |
| 18:58:01 | [mbm] | modules for the aironet in 0.5? |
| 18:58:05 | samd | umkay guess that is one more reason to buy that wireless card |
| 18:58:36 | sjohnson | samd: They can be loaded. zmodem the .ipk's over and install locally. |
| 18:59:46 | samd | sjohnson: thanks i will give that try |
| 19:03:50 | Proteus70 | guys I have installed kernel-modules-2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs_hh9_arm.ipk. Are these the ipv6 tools? |
| 19:13:04 | sjohnson | Proteus70: Look ih the lorien feed for ipv6 version tools. (telnet, etc) |
| 19:13:55 | Proteus70 | just a sec..when you say ipv6 tools don't you mean modules...? how am I going to configure an IPv6 prefix, etc |
| 19:14:35 | [mbm] | someone want to explain how to get 0.5 to boot? system is complaining there's no kernel partition |
| 19:15:32 | [mbm] | n/m think I got it |
| 19:27:00 | tuc | Hi all.... WE HAVE ETHERNET! |
| 19:28:07 | tuc | So the next thing I did was "ipkg install task-x", which got me an X screen. Took a few times doing that to get it installed to get the "Empty Task". |
| 19:28:30 | friar | anybody know where a good blackbox configuration tutorial would be? the one I keep finding at themes.org seems to be toast. |
| 19:31:02 | tuc | I had to reset the pointer with "xcalibrate". How do I get the settings to stick? |
| 19:31:59 | Kero | save them in /etc/xcalibrate.conf |
| 19:32:20 | [mbm] | heh fun, bootstrap doesn't even have ps |
| 19:32:24 | tuc | Kero: WHAT do I save? Is there some sort of thing it prints somewhere I can do? |
| 19:34:36 | Kero | yes, it does |
| 19:35:00 | tuc | Kero: Ok, sorry. I started it on my laptop, then disconnected. Ok, thanks. I'll look into it. |
| 19:35:10 | Kero | # cat /etc/xcalibrate.conf |
| 19:35:11 | Kero | -99 345 -64 247 0 |
| 19:35:37 | Kero | those sort of numbers. stdout or stderr when you run xcalibrate, but there may be some garbage around it. |
| 19:36:35 | tuc | Kero: Ok, will do.. I'm trying to compile ssh2 to get to the unit remotely... |
| 19:37:46 | sjohnson | tuc: There are a set of menus Utilities -> Touch Screen to allow you to manage your settings. |
| 19:38:20 | tuc | sjohnson: Ok, then how do I get that running? When I reboot all I get is "Empty frame" or something like that... |
| 19:38:50 | sjohnson | Familiar v0.5? |
| 19:39:01 | tuc | sjohnson: Yes sir. |
| 19:39:03 | friar | tuc, sjohson: agreed, that is all I got as well with the base task-x |
| 19:39:50 | sjohnson | make sure your have gtk-menu and menu-tiny installed. Especially menu-tiny. It isn't installed by task-x yet. |
| 19:39:51 | [mbm] | task-x installs ion which gives that empty frame crap.. can't figure out how to get an apps menu on screen either |
| 19:39:51 | friar | I installed blackbox just to get something usable. |
| 19:40:25 | sjohnson | AFter installing menu-tiny, run update-menus and restart X. |
| 19:41:04 | tuc | sjohnson: It looks to be doing menu-tiny itself. Now python... |
| 19:41:41 | [mike] | friar: I'm freshly converted to BB, but I start to love it |
| 19:41:56 | tuc | sjohnson: How do I restart X? |
| 19:42:32 | sjohnson | tuc: Well. You can also just fire up gtk-menu with 'gtk-meny &' from a command line. |
| 19:42:49 | friar | personally I'm a twm guy. |
| 19:43:38 | sjohnson | tuc: For future reference - /etc/init.d/x stop ; /etc/init.d/x start |
| 19:43:44 | [mike] | friar: have a look at http://www.notageek.net for an idea of the evolution of my iPaq during the last week |
| 19:43:45 | [mbm] | tuc: or you can do cd /etc/rc.d/init.d ; ./x stop ; ./ x start |
| 19:43:56 | [mike] | friar: I'm a hardcore E user ;) |
| 19:44:12 | friar | I've used twm for over 10 years and know how to configure it in seconds. trying to learn anything else has been PAINFUL. |
| 19:44:21 | friar | mike: I'm sorry. :) |
| 19:44:57 | [mike] | friar: I've started porting some BB themes on the iPaq. I will put them on that site, too |
| 19:45:07 | friar | cool. |
| 19:45:33 | tuc | sjohnson: I think I got something, but I had other stuff going on. Lemme fix... |
| 19:45:48 | tuc | Killing X... |
| 19:45:57 | tuc | /etc/init.d/x: /bin/ps: not found |
| 19:46:07 | [mbm] | ipkg install procps |
| 19:46:13 | sjohnson | gtk-mnu will be a small window in the title bar with the word 'Menu' |
| 19:46:23 | sjohnson | tuc: ipkg install procps |
| 19:46:57 | friar | oh man...even the menu-tiny requires python!?! |
| 19:47:22 | [mike] | friar: and as soon as I've understood how to do them, I'll try to do an aqua theme ;) |
| 19:47:38 | friar | falls down laughing. |
| 19:47:59 | friar | ok... Now I KNOW I'm a dinosaur. :) |
| 19:48:23 | [mbm] | how about 'as soon as I understand why people like em' ? |
| 19:48:28 | friar | just noticed the qtnethack. :) |
| 19:48:38 | [mike] | [mbm]: lol, true, too ;) |
| 19:48:40 | Proteus70 | blast..I tried to get the ipv6 modules on the ipaq and I manage to lose my wavelan modules.. |
| 19:49:10 | friar | and here I thought DEC graphics were all the rage. :) |
| 19:49:16 | Proteus70 | if the kernel is an hh6 kernel wouldn't matter if the modules were hh9 ver? |
| 19:50:11 | Proteus70 | where can I find the hh6 modules for the kernel in the 0.5 distribution? |
| 19:50:29 | tuc | sjohnson: Installed. Calibrated, saved. Keyboard running. rxvt running... (Where is the pointer to getting the better fonts loaded?) |
| 19:50:46 | [mbm] | postinst |
| 19:51:36 | sjohnson | tuc: ipkg install familiar-postinst then run /root/postinst script. |
| 19:52:12 | tuc | Familiar post-installation completed successfully. |
| 19:53:02 | [mbm] | feel like I have 100dpi fonts installed blackbox titlebars are huge |
| 19:55:57 | friar | ok...anybody know why trying to resize a window to so that it will fit on the screen makes that window disappear (in BlackBox -- tiny-menu)? |
| 19:56:42 | [mbm] | bad coding of the application you're attempting to resize? |
| 19:57:06 | friar | ahh...nope, I think it is popping them to a "different" workspace. |
| 19:57:26 | tuc | I just SSH'd to our jumpstation. ITS DOING WHAT I WANT!!!!!! |
| 19:58:01 | friar | ok, anybody know how to nuke virtual workspace behavior from blackbox. |
| 19:58:09 | tuc | sjohnson: Master, this cricket would like to be imparted any other fantastic commands you can ... 8-) |
| 20:03:57 | tuc | now has to buy a new machine to run the "skiff?" on since I promised I would... Any comments on requirements would be welcome... |
| 20:06:52 | sjohnson | tuc: Toolchain, or what? |
| 20:07:44 | tuc | sjohnson: Yes, the Toolchain so I could compile on my own. I said that if I got to the point I could get it running I'd start looking into running the Toolchain myself. |
| 20:08:57 | sjohnson | tuc: Any machine your can run gcc on can run the toolchain. It's just gcc that compiles for ARM arch. |
| 20:09:51 | tuc | sjohnson: Ok, so I can get a real low level machine, but need alot of disk I imagine. Ok, thanks! Any other commands I should do? This is doing , except for ppp (I need to put a modem in) the base I need. |
| 20:12:48 | nikos | tuc: If you aren't going to use a very powerful system, you might as well build natively using the skiffcluster. Speed is about the only reason to go to the trouble to use a cross toolchain. |
| 20:14:04 | tuc | nikos: The only issue would be compile time, right? With a slow system, it would only take forever... |
| 20:21:49 | tuc | Is konquerer available as an ipkg? |
| 20:29:27 | nikos | tuc: Right, but that's my point. Why bother to work with a cross toolchain, which is always more complex than a native one, on a slow processor, if you can use an equally fast native toolchain. |
| 20:29:41 | nikos | tuc: http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds |
| 20:29:56 | | OK, nikos. |
| 20:29:56 | nikos | ibot: feed list is <reply>See http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds |
| 20:30:02 | | somebody said feeds was listed at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds |
| 20:30:02 | nikos | ibot: feeds? |
| 20:30:08 | nikos | oh well. ;) |
| 20:30:28 | tuc | Nikos: Ok, understandable. I just didn't want to seem "Lame" not having an environment. Thanks. |
| 20:30:45 | tuc | Nikos: And thanks for the feed info. |
| 20:30:52 | friar | nikos: how much space does the native chain take up? |
| 20:31:18 | [mbm] | friar: if you store it on nfs does it matter? |
| 20:31:46 | friar | mbm: only for those of us who aren't always around something that serves nfs.... |
| 20:32:29 | tuc | Theres no "find" in any of the ipkgs? I just grepped "familiar-unstable" with no luck. |
| 20:32:56 | nikos | tuc: No lameness, I have not so far made any use of a cross toolchain environment, the skiffcluster has been just fine. |
| 20:33:54 | nikos | tuc: I don't think there is no. |
| 20:34:13 | nikos | friar: Highly variable, depends on what libraries you build. I would budget at least 100MB. |
| 20:34:15 | tuc | nikos: Ok, thanks. Guess I should look to get that. ("file" too) |
| 20:34:33 | nikos | tuc: Easy solution is to get it from Debian ARM. |
| 20:35:08 | tuc | nikos: Ok, will look at it. Thanks. |
| 20:36:12 | friar | nikos: ok, then that directly rules out me doing any native compiling. I'll HAVE to cross compile since I don't have any storage medium that large. |
| 20:36:53 | nikos | friar: ???? |
| 20:36:57 | nikos | friar: You aren't understanding me. |
| 20:37:17 | nikos | friar: The skiffcluster is a cluster of systems setup by CRL for native compilation. |
| 20:37:21 | | hmmm... skiffcluster is at http://handhelds.org/projects/skiffcluster.html |
| 20:37:21 | nikos | ibot: skiffcluster |
| 20:37:27 | nikos | friar: See that web page. |
| 20:38:55 | friar | nikos: ahh, ok. heh. |
| 20:41:40 | tuc | I don't mean to start a war, but which people prefer fscrib, and which prefer fstroke? |
| 20:43:28 | sjohnson | tuc: Use xstroke. It is tons better. Development has stopped on those other programs. |
| 20:43:28 | nikos | tuc: fscrib is a dead end. It is no longer being developed. xstroke is actively developed and is fully configurable. If you don't like the strokes you can configure your own. |
| 20:44:20 | tuc | sjohnson: Oh, sorry, I missed that, but saw the other 2 in the familiar list... Installing now... |
| 20:44:49 | tuc | nikos/sjohnson: I installed the other 2. Way to un-install? ipkg remove ? |
| 20:45:08 | sjohnson | tuc: ipkg remove <module> |
| 20:46:23 | nikos | sjohnson: OK, I'm confused. What is fstroke? I thought that was the old name for xstroke. |
| 20:47:07 | nikos | sjohnson: Is that not a left-over that is being blindly carried forward? |
| 20:47:10 | sjohnson | I think fstroke was the old write in the box app and fsive was the old write on the full screen. |
| 20:47:16 | tuc | sjohnson: Worked. |
| 20:47:24 | sjohnson | s/fsive/fscrib/ |
| 20:47:34 | nikos | sjohnson: The fstroke packages description: Full-screen modeless character recognizer |
| 20:47:52 | sjohnson | Ok got'em reversed. |
| 20:48:09 | nikos | sjohnson: I'm compared fstroke to xstroke, not fscrib. |
| 20:48:15 | tuc | nikos/sjohnson: Ok, I need to read the man pages, but I think it does exactly what I need. |
| 20:48:44 | sjohnson | tuc: Are you familiar with Palm Graffiti? |
| 20:49:09 | sjohnson | Then your should feel at home. Otherwise cheat sheets are available... |
| 20:49:13 | | xstroke is ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/projects/xstroke/release-0.5 |
| 20:49:13 | sjohnson | ibot: xstroke |
| 20:49:16 | sjohnson | ... there |
| 20:49:19 | tuc | sjohnson: No. I need to learn "-" compared to space, CAPS, and enter. |
| 20:49:29 | tuc | sjohnson: Going, thanks! |
| 20:49:55 | nikos | tuc: left right left |
| 20:51:08 | tuc | nikos: Nope. Isn't that underline? |
| 20:52:33 | sjohnson | think nikos needs cheatsheet more then tuc. :) |
| 20:52:44 | nikos | tuc: Umm, I'm describing the position of the stylus, not the movement. In other words, move from left to right, then right to left. |
| 20:53:37 | tuc | nikos: You are right. I was doing 3 movements. Thanks. |
| 20:53:59 | nikos | sjohnson: :p |
| 20:54:17 | tuc | nikos: Printing .ps cheat sheet. |
| 20:56:09 | nikos | tuc: There is also a xstroke-help package that uses dillo. |
| 20:57:02 | nikos | not that I can ever remember the stroke to open the help document.... |
| 20:58:49 | sjohnson | Diagonal lower right to upper left and reverse. :) |
| 20:59:43 | volkam | fack! |
| 20:59:49 | volkam | 2.4.4 wont compile right |
| 21:00:24 | nikos | sjohnson: Thanks! ;) |
| 21:01:03 | tuc | nikos: Ok, I tried to run dillo from the menu system, but nothing happens... |
| 21:01:18 | nikos | tuc: ipkg isntall libpng2 |
| 21:01:24 | nikos | tuc: err install |
| 21:01:32 | nikos | tuc: Buglet in the dillo install. |
| 21:02:45 | dneuer | is back (gone 02:11:33) |
| 21:03:14 | tuc | nikos: Da man! Working. |
| 21:04:09 | tuc | doesn't think he'll push getting ppp going tonite, things going TOO well. |
| 21:07:01 | pattieja | is away: bible study + dinner |
| 21:08:30 | sgodsell | is away: Got to go! |
| 21:17:04 | nikos | tuc: excellent. |
| 21:23:32 | spiralman | hey, are there any estimates as to when familira .5 is going to come out? |
| 21:23:45 | dneuer_away | is away: see ya later |
| 21:23:49 | DragonEagle | is away: appt |
| 21:24:09 | nikos | spiralman: Estimates are pretty pointless on a 100% volunteer project. |
| 21:24:33 | spiralman | well, i was thinking of installing it soon, and i dont want a new version to come out the next day... |
| 21:24:44 | spiralman | how hard is it to upgrade from one to the other? |
| 21:24:51 | tuc | nikos: Sometimes they like to shoot for a certain time... We've been shooting for 2.7.0 on WU-FTPD team for a while now! 8-) |
| 21:24:59 | mallum | nikos: do you know where cworth has been recently ? |
| 21:25:18 | nikos | tuc: It's a little different story with v0.* releases though. Harder to estimate. |
| 21:25:32 | nikos | mallum: Busy busy I guess. Best to use email if you want to talk to him. |
| 21:25:33 | tuc | nikos: Understandable. |
| 21:25:54 | spiralman | well, the web site says itll be out this month, does that still look possible? |
| 21:26:09 | nikos | spiralman: a7r is the only one who could even try to guess I'm afraid. |
| 21:26:17 | spiralman | k |
| 21:26:27 | spiralman | how hard is it to upgrade though? |
| 21:26:41 | nikos | spiralman: v0.5 will require a complete reinstall. |
| 21:26:45 | spiralman | ok... |
| 21:26:49 | spiralman | thanks... |
| 21:26:54 | nikos | spiralman: But the install is simpler now. Just 2 xmodem uploads. |
| 21:26:58 | spiralman | cool |
| 21:27:05 | tuc | nikos: What about for us that already have pre v0.5? "ipkg upgrade" or something? |
| 21:27:23 | nikos | tuc: I wouldn't bet on it. Be prepared to reinstall from scratch. |
| 21:27:25 | spiralman | i wasnt planning on going with a full familiar, i was thinking about use qpe on top of it... |
| 21:27:54 | tuc | nikos: After you all just got me running today?! ACK, I should have documented what I did... |
| 21:28:10 | nikos | tuc: Much of that will be fixed in the release anyway, don't worry about it. |
| 21:28:27 | nikos | Good night, time to go home. |
| 21:28:33 | spiralman | later |
| 21:28:36 | tuc | nikos: If you say... G'nite, and many thanks... |
| 21:28:38 | tuc | Too late. |
| 21:28:43 | spiralman | yup |
| 21:28:46 | mallum | nikos: yeah I'll drop him a mail. thanks |
| 22:07:37 | phearbear | anyone know if you need to do something special to get familiar 0.4 to boot when using the 2-14-8 bootloader? |
| 22:09:26 | phearbear | ..i spose i do , since it fail, (it won't find the root partition) |
| 22:12:03 | phearbear | hmmdidumm |
| 22:20:47 | Proteus70 | question: while I set the baud rate t 115K the upload only happens at 4.3 K...why? |
| 22:22:56 | vanderj9 | hello |
| 22:23:16 | vanderj9 | join #handhelds.org |
| 22:26:55 | phearbear | Proteus70: uhm, baud rate, it's baud's, not kilobytes :P |
| 22:27:09 | phearbear | 115K baud ~= 4 kb/s |
| 22:52:59 | Proteus70 | oh dear...at that time of the day...what would you expect...almost 1:00am |
| 22:53:12 | phearbear | heh.. 1.44 am here :) |
| 22:53:28 | Proteus70 | here where? |
| 22:53:45 | phearbear | sweden here is where =) |
| 22:54:01 | Proteus70 | i c |
| 22:54:10 | phearbear | you? |
| 22:54:43 | Proteus70 | london |
| 22:55:07 | Proteus70 | are you working with iPAQ? |
| 22:55:10 | phearbear | ok.. |
| 22:55:27 | phearbear | working? .. hmm, not really, just playing around with diffrent Os's on it yet.. |
| 22:55:40 | Proteus70 | did you try netbsd? |
| 22:56:29 | phearbear | nopes not yet.. don't really like the idea of a BSD on a handheld.. don't like the idea of linux either acctually, but well, it might be good until i can get my hands on qnx for it =) |
| 22:57:59 | Proteus70 | what's qnx..? |
| 22:58:17 | phearbear | hmm, i think there are some screens @ qnx.wox.org |
| 22:59:55 | Proteus70 | hmm can't access it... |
| 22:59:58 | Proteus70 | anyway.. |
| 23:00:09 | Proteus70 | did you manage to setup ipv6 |
| 23:00:27 | phearbear | heh, i'm still installing it =) |
| 23:00:42 | phearbear | http://qnx.wox.org/ipaq/ <- that didn't work? it should.. |
| 23:03:08 | Proteus70 | the bloody thing, I manage to sort out all apart from mipv6 and ipv6 |
| 23:03:46 | Proteus70 | and guess what...one pkg install and I had to reflash the whole thing...this is not very efficient.. |
| 23:04:27 | Proteus70 | qnx is funky...!! |
| 23:04:33 | Proteus70 | but isn't similar to qpe |
| 23:05:00 | phearbear | Proteus70: yeah, it's cool, check at get.qnx.com too.. |
| 23:05:08 | phearbear | Proteus70: ikky :/ |
| 23:08:13 | Proteus70 | hmm |
| 23:15:22 | sgodsell | is back (gone 02:06:51) |
| 23:15:34 | sgodsell | is away: cant stay long |
| 23:16:20 | phearbear | gawd.. error deluxe.. |
| 23:16:44 | phearbear | 0.5 sure don't like my netcard... |
| 23:24:42 | sgodsell | is away: Got to go! |
| 23:30:17 | volkam | |
| 23:30:20 | volkam | Heh |
| 23:31:43 | phearbear | hoh |
| 23:32:30 | volkam | how do I test my wirelss network card |
| 23:32:43 | volkam | I do |
| 23:32:49 | volkam | ifconfig eth0 1.1.1.1 |
| 23:32:51 | volkam | ping 1.1.1.1 |
| 23:32:57 | volkam | and it pings it, means it workin? |
| 23:33:00 | volkam | it responds heh |
| 23:34:18 | sjohnson | ping interface in the host means nothing. packets never hit the hardware. |
| 23:34:23 | volkam | ok |
| 23:34:27 | volkam | how do I test this |
| 23:34:28 | volkam | heh |
| 23:34:59 | sjohnson | ping from another server. or ping another ip from the ipaq. |
| 23:35:10 | volkam | I cant |
| 23:35:17 | volkam | I have no where to connect it wirelessly to |
| 23:35:28 | volkam | I have no other wireless nic's or anything |
| 23:36:15 | phearbear | then you have a problem ;) If it's detected i *suppose* it will work.. |
| 23:37:12 | sjohnson | It's only have a test. still havn't bonded to an AP or other card. and haven't sent any network traffic |
| 23:38:27 | volkam | how do I sniff hehe |
| 23:44:56 | volkam | iwpriv shows it |
| 23:45:08 | volkam | iwspy shows that it has no data or something |
| 23:45:55 | | cureless was last seen on #handhelds.org 3 hours, 3 minutes and 10 seconds ago, saying: Keep up the good work. [Wed Oct 10 21:42:45 2001] |
| 23:45:55 | volkam | ibot seen cureless |