| 00:12:12 | volkam | quick which wireless card should I get? |
| 00:12:13 | volkam | smc? |
| 00:30:39 | phearbear | a7r: hmm, you are one of the main guys devving familiar right? the 0.5 docs have a bug in the installation docs.. it say the 'large' module pkg is called task-familiar-complete it's just task-complete |
| 00:31:56 | a7r | phearbear: thanks.. that was reported earlier, I haven't fixed it yet. |
| 00:32:25 | phearbear | k =) Also the nic driver seems a 'bit' buggy :D |
| 00:32:41 | a7r | yeah, that's known as well. |
| 00:32:56 | phearbear | yup, i'd figure ; ) |
| 00:32:57 | a7r | if you've got fixes, feel free to chip in. |
| 00:33:16 | phearbear | not really.. i just started using it, downloaded it like a few hours ago |
| 00:56:38 | volkam | heh |
| 00:56:42 | volkam | I got an smc wireless nic |
| 01:03:58 | volkam | :) |
| 01:21:45 | phearbear | hmm, the suspend func is broken in 0.5 ? |
| 01:24:26 | volkam | :\ |
| 01:35:06 | volkam | hrm |
| 01:35:07 | volkam | damn |
| 01:41:40 | [mbm] | suspend works fine for me |
| 01:42:40 | volkam | sjohnson |
| 01:42:45 | volkam | you around? I have something quick to ask. |
| 01:43:51 | phearbear | [mbm]: hmm, ok, how do you wake it up? :D |
| 01:44:12 | sjohnson | volkam: Shoot |
| 01:44:23 | volkam | ok |
| 01:44:31 | volkam | I just bought the SMC right wireless nic |
| 01:44:47 | volkam | Have you tryed the SMC in a single pc card sleeve in the latest familiar? |
| 01:44:53 | volkam | well I mean anything running 2.4.7 |
| 01:45:07 | sjohnson | yes. It still doesn't work. |
| 01:45:11 | volkam | ok |
| 01:45:23 | volkam | Did you try it with the airo drivers? |
| 01:45:38 | sjohnson | no. |
| 01:46:00 | volkam | ok the wvlan and airo are the only ones I can get the SMC to work with under 2.4.4 |
| 01:46:05 | volkam | orinoco it doesnt |
| 01:46:50 | sjohnson | volkam: Only the latest orinoco drivers will work with prism2 same as WaveLan. |
| 01:47:18 | volkam | hrm |
| 01:53:08 | phearbear | hmm, how do i startup the sound drivers? |
| 01:56:12 | sjohnson | volkam: I lied. |
| 01:56:21 | volkam | ? |
| 01:56:38 | sjohnson | My card are now working with the orinoco drivers. |
| 01:56:44 | volkam | in single? |
| 01:56:57 | sjohnson | Yep, in single sleeve. |
| 01:57:01 | sjohnson | WTF? |
| 01:57:26 | volkam | what the fuck |
| 01:57:31 | volkam | 2.15.18? |
| 01:57:36 | volkam | 2.4.7 running fam.5? |
| 01:57:43 | sjohnson | I'm not using any special drivers. Just the orinono drivers from -hh9. |
| 01:57:46 | volkam | custom kernel? custom bootldr? custom bootstrap? |
| 01:57:54 | volkam | OK |
| 01:57:55 | sjohnson | bootldr - 2.15.18 |
| 01:58:00 | volkam | I am flashing to 2.15.18 now |
| 01:58:26 | sjohnson | volkam: the bootldr shouldn't have anything to do with it. |
| 01:58:35 | sjohnson | It's got to be the kernel. |
| 02:01:28 | volkam | you have a custom kernel? |
| 02:02:26 | volkam | Ok I have a monochrome ipaq right |
| 02:03:17 | volkam | so the bootldr partition is too small for the bootldr right |
| 02:03:51 | volkam | how do I make it so I can flash this bootldr withit |
| 02:03:57 | volkam | I need to make my bootldr partition larger |
| 02:06:36 | volkam | help? |
| 02:06:36 | sjohnson | volkam: That you will need expert advise. Ask Jamey. |
| 02:06:37 | volkam | Heh |
| 02:06:46 | volkam | damnit Ive done this before |
| 02:06:57 | volkam | ok my bootldr is 128k |
| 02:07:02 | volkam | i need to make it 256k |
| 02:07:12 | volkam | or something |
| 02:07:24 | sjohnson | didn't Jamey talk you though it before? |
| 02:07:57 | [mbm] | it's a few pflash and partition define commands, donno the exact details |
| 02:07:58 | volkam | ya |
| 02:08:00 | volkam | i forgot though |
| 02:08:24 | [mbm] | problem is basically that if you screw up the bootloader you're sol |
| 02:09:06 | sjohnson | Which is why I tip-toe around such issues. |
| 02:09:28 | sjohnson | helped partiallu brick an ipaq once. |
| 02:09:43 | phearbear | hmm, anyone have a timezone file for GMT+1 (sweden) who can dcc? |
| 02:20:08 | volkam | ;\ |
| 03:33:41 | digdude | a7r: hey. |
| 03:39:05 | a7r | digdude: hola.. how's it? |
| 03:40:05 | digdude | a7r: suck. |
| 03:40:23 | digdude | a7r: i'm ass up in an alsa driver for a crappy sound chip. |
| 03:40:59 | beeblebrox42 | is away: Away! |
| 03:41:03 | beeblebrox42 | is back (gone 00:00:01) |
| 03:41:10 | a7r | digdude: hah, I'm writing a sound driver right now, myself. |
| 03:41:16 | digdude | a7r: so, I put fam 0.5 pre on my ipaq last week... |
| 03:42:06 | digdude | a7r: actually a friend of mine did it for me, and he snapped off the little power switch that hides below the bottom cover... it's like a little dip switch, and now it's so smooth you can't even slide it with a needle. so my ipaq got all drained. :( |
| 03:42:11 | digdude | a7r: it's fuxored. |
| 03:42:21 | a7r | digdude: shit. |
| 03:42:55 | digdude | a7r: i think it's still under warranty but it will probably come back witn wince on it and shit. ;( |
| 03:43:03 | digdude | a7r: what sound driver? |
| 03:43:35 | a7r | digdude: Apple's Tumbler, it's similar to the AWACS, but I have to write an i2c interface to the mixer. |
| 03:43:48 | digdude | a7r: could be worse. |
| 03:44:11 | digdude | a7r: do you know if a sound driver can be written to allow multiple concurrent writing processes to write > /dev/dsp ?? |
| 03:44:41 | a7r | digdude: it could be written to do that, but it breaks kernel policy. |
| 03:45:46 | digdude | that's what I thought. a client wants this driver to do that... and a coworker swears that the yamaha (ymfpci.o) in the kernel tree allows 2 processes to play sounds concurrently. I don't have a yamaha card to actually try it. i don't see anything in ymfpci that looks like that's true though. |
| 03:46:34 | a7r | you should tell your client that the proper way to do things is w/ an esd-like setup. |
| 03:46:44 | a7r | there's no reason to make kernel space have to deal with that. |
| 03:46:53 | digdude | a7r: obviously. they want kde, and we are stuck with artsd, which i absolutely hate. |
| 03:47:14 | a7r | I haven't hacked on that. |
| 03:47:28 | digdude | a7r: artsd is overkill for multiple-audio-stream-mixing, which is all esd is. |
| 03:47:38 | digdude | a7r: artsd contains synthesizers, effects, etc... |
| 03:47:43 | digdude | a7r: it's huge, it's C++, it's ugly. |
| 03:47:53 | a7r | digdude: doesn't artsd already handle what you need to do? |
| 03:48:42 | digdude | a7r: yes, except for the fact that if any sound is playing, no apm event will happen, because the audio driver is not power manageable, and we need our apmscript proxy script to be able to stop artsd or something to we can safely rmmod the driver. |
| 03:49:05 | digdude | a7r: esd has the 'standby' option which is nice, as the apps still have the esd socket open, but it lets go of /dev/dsp, artsd doesn't have that feature. |
| 03:49:38 | a7r | digdude: why not make the driver power managable? |
| 03:50:00 | digdude | a7r: the alsa version has the PM hooks in it, but they hang the machine upon resume... i'm working on debugging it right now. |
| 03:50:14 | a7r | ah, werd. |
| 03:50:47 | digdude | but still, there are applications that don't work with artsd, and they block on the /dev/dsp until artsd times out ( a dvd player is one, the other is a commandline audio player) |
| 03:51:24 | digdude | a7r: i do have the artsddsp redirect tool working, but it's s.l.o.w. |
| 03:51:34 | digdude | my apologies for flooding this list with the wrong topic, sorry. |
| 03:51:56 | a7r | doesn't matter.. no one is talking about anything else. ;) |
| 03:52:35 | e2d2 | esd doesn't work very well though |
| 03:52:39 | e2d2 | it adds way too much latency. |
| 03:54:21 | e2d2 | and iirc the resampling doesn't sound very good |
| 03:54:32 | a7r | nod, I'd believe it. |
| 04:02:00 | e2d2 | http://asd.sourceforge.net/ looks like a promising esd replacement |
| 04:09:29 | digdude | e2d2: thanks for the lnk. |
| 04:26:33 | dneuer_away | is back (gone 07:02:48) |
| 04:36:44 | beeblebrox | is away: Away! |
| 05:20:04 | beeblebrox | is back (gone 00:43:20) |
| 05:30:18 | sachac | Does anyone here have a nice working crossdev environment on their computer, or is everyone skiff-based? |
| 08:15:25 | beeblebrox | is away: Away! |
| 08:27:00 | Ng__ | wheee, I just totally broke blackbox's configuration ;) |
| 08:35:29 | beeblebrox | is back (gone 00:20:03) |
| 10:22:48 | mpakula | morning all |
| 10:22:58 | phearbear | morning.. or afternoon :) |
| 10:23:11 | mpakula | ok afternoon |
| 10:24:03 | mpakula | q: I've been using scp to transfer files between iPAQ and my linux box but how about ftp ? is there any .ipk or build in module that does it ? |
| 10:24:25 | mpakula | I'm sure there is for ipkg install uses something ;o)) |
| 10:24:27 | phearbear | mpakula: hmm, i think i saw ftp as a ipk package? |
| 10:25:07 | mpakula | ipkg install is using what ? I don't have my iPAQ with me so i cant check |
| 10:25:20 | phearbear | mpakula: ipkg install stuff using wget ? |
| 10:25:56 | phearbear | got to run |
| 10:26:02 | mpakula | Isn't it some sort of ftp ? darn... I have to get my iPAQ back |
| 11:09:34 | gr4y | argh, upgraded to v0.5 and my network card stopped working. Identified as D-Link DE-650 Ethernet. |
| 11:10:10 | gr4y | it's a "topware PK-2000D" |
| 12:38:22 | pattieja | is back (gone 15:31:20) |
| 13:02:30 | Ng_ | does blackbox's slit thing work in 0.5? |
| 13:41:14 | Meuuh | linuxargs= <noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock/2 init=/linuxrc console=ttySA0> |
| 13:41:17 | Meuuh | is that correct ? |
| 13:41:27 | mccarthy | nikos: ahhh. problems! |
| 13:41:32 | nikos | Meuuh: Yes that seems fine. |
| 13:41:35 | mccarthy | nikos: care to aid? |
| 13:41:35 | nikos | mccarthy: ? |
| 13:42:01 | mccarthy | upon "boot", or pressing "Q" I get: |
| 13:42:17 | mccarthy | booting jffs2... |
| 13:42:18 | mccarthy | booting boot/zImage from partition >root< |
| 13:42:18 | mccarthy | find_inode failed for name=zImage-2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs |
| 13:42:18 | mccarthy | Failed to resolve inode file structure |
| 13:42:18 | mccarthy | loaded file of size = 0x00000000 at location 0xC0008000 |
| 13:42:18 | mccarthy | kernel_magic=74726170 |
| 13:42:19 | mccarthy | kernel_region_words[9]=656E6966 |
| 13:42:21 | mccarthy | Unrecognized kernel image |
| 13:42:30 | Meuuh | nikos : still the same |
| 13:42:49 | nikos | mccarthy: Can you hold up for a moment, I can't handle more than one at a time. |
| 13:43:04 | mccarthy | nikos: sure, I will try something else in the meantime.... |
| 13:43:09 | nikos | Meuuh: I'm still not sure I understand. Do you get any output on serial console as it boots? |
| 13:43:59 | Meuuh | yes |
| 13:44:02 | Meuuh | output yes |
| 13:44:03 | Meuuh | input no |
| 13:44:33 | nikos | Meuuh: Double and triple check your terminal settings: 115200 8-N-1 NO FLOW CONTROL, neither software or hardware. |
| 13:45:44 | Meuuh | thanks nikos, I had hardware flow control |
| 13:45:50 | Meuuh | it fixes the problem :) |
| 13:45:57 | nikos | Meuuh: You're welcome. |
| 13:46:21 | nikos | mccarthy: In the bootloader, did you change the value of the autoboot_kernel_part parameter? Does it still show <kernel>? |
| 13:47:02 | Meuuh | while i'm at it, i will try to build a package of VideoLAN Client for familiar, is there a cross-compiling package somewhere ? |
| 13:47:36 | nikos | Meuuh: Yes, on the FTP server: ftp.handhelds.org |
| 13:48:23 | Meuuh | ok thanks |
| 13:49:38 | Ng_ | does blackbox's slit work in 0.5? I've got what I think should be anough stuff in my .blackboxrc to make it appear, but it doesn't. |
| 13:50:51 | nikos | Ng_: Most of us use Ion now. You will have to be patient to find someone using BlackBox. |
| 13:51:50 | Ng_ | nikos: ah. I think I tried Ion, but I obviously didn't have it configured properly because it didn't do anything other than open an empty window frame ;) |
| 13:52:31 | nikos | Ng_: Well, you need to be running something providing the ability to start applications. You want to make sure you have gtk-menu and menu-tiny installed. |
| 13:52:32 | Meuuh | is it normal if no network PCCard driver is available on the bootstrap ? |
| 13:53:00 | nikos | Meuuh: Please explain. Many cards work straight from bootstrap. Clearly there are limits however. |
| 13:53:14 | Meuuh | ah ok i have xircom |
| 13:53:19 | Meuuh | but i can try to find another one |
| 13:53:36 | Ng_ | nikos: yeah, that would make sense. I'd rather keep a proper desktop and I'll be running Intimate just as soon as the pcmcia sleeve and hard disk turn up :) |
| 13:53:48 | Ng_ | so no Ion for me ;) |
| 13:54:31 | nikos | Morning sjohnson |
| 13:54:56 | sjohnson | hi nikos |
| 14:01:16 | Ng_ | bbl |
| 14:02:26 | sgodsell | is back (gone 14:46:52) |
| 14:06:34 | nikos | mccarthy: How's it going? |
| 14:08:04 | mccarthy | nikos: I am zapping down a new task-bootstrap (again) |
| 14:08:57 | mccarthy | nikos: do you know what the params should be for 2.15.18 with the bootstrap-hh9? |
| 14:09:05 | mccarthy | sorry, 2.15.19 |
| 14:09:27 | nikos | mccarthy: I'm sure they are exactly what the v0.5 instructions state. |
| 14:12:45 | mccarthy | nikos: does it matter if I set them before or after "load root"? |
| 14:13:19 | nikos | mccarthy: No it doesn't matter. |
| 14:13:34 | nikos | mccarthy: It would if you had to create partitions, but since you don't have to do that anymore... |
| 14:19:54 | mccarthy | nikos: the bootloader has params by default. how com ethey aren't correct? |
| 14:20:12 | nikos | mccarthy: Who said they weren't? |
| 14:20:40 | nikos | mccarthy: Actually, if you have an existing params partition, the values there are used. |
| 14:20:48 | mccarthy | nikos: they aren't the same as the install page suggests... |
| 14:21:01 | nikos | mccarthy: Please be more specific. |
| 14:22:00 | mccarthy | one a fresh install of bootloader, I had a linuxargs of mtdblock1 whereas the install page says it should be mtdblock/2 |
| 14:22:43 | nikos | mccarthy: Installing the bootloader does not overwrite your params partition. |
| 14:23:06 | sjohnson | mccarthy: The 2.15.19 bootldr is meant for install with params in the root part, |
| 14:23:22 | nikos | sjohnson: Woops, thanks. Looks like I'm behind the times again. |
| 14:23:33 | mccarthy | nikos: compaq put wince on my Ipaq, so I didn;t HAVE a params partition |
| 14:24:03 | mccarthy | sjohnson: how does one put params in the root part (in the jffs image itself?) |
| 14:24:11 | nikos | mccarthy: Ignore me, listen to sjohnson. It apears that there are changes happening I'm not aware of. |
| 14:26:09 | nikos | sjohnson: I wish they would change the middle version number on such changes. |
| 14:26:31 | sjohnson | mccarthy: Don't know that yet. The defaults for the 2.15.18+ bootldrs are reflecting that param less step. You can still used it for params patitions. |
| 14:35:35 | Meuuh | is there a package for Compaq WL100 PC card ? |
| 14:36:08 | nikos | Meuuh: What's the chipset? |
| 14:36:24 | Meuuh | prism2 |
| 14:36:50 | nikos | Meuuh: Hmm, should work with sjohnson's wlan-ng then I supppose. |
| 14:36:54 | | somebody said sjohnson feed was http://handhelds.org/~sjohnson/feed/ |
| 14:36:54 | nikos | ibot: sjohnson feed |
| 14:37:05 | nikos | sjohnson: Feel free to step in an correct me if needed. |
| 14:37:26 | sjohnson | nikos: No you're doing fine. :) |
| 14:43:01 | Meuuh | is sjohnson a bot too ? :)) |
| 14:45:34 | sjohnson | Meuuh: How that make you feel. |
| 14:46:47 | Meuuh | :) |
| 15:15:22 | sjohnson | is away: lunch |
| 15:32:56 | tuc | Hi All.... Decided to take on PPP today. First problem was MAKEDEV, but I kept a post where someone told me the mknod to use. |
| 15:39:45 | tuc | So the next thing is PPPD.. I've got a chat script, but I'm sorta concerned it isn't working correctly. Looking for kermit/minicom.... Any ipkg for it? |
| 16:12:00 | sjohnson | is back (gone 00:56:38) |
| 16:45:24 | a7r | re.. |
| 16:49:35 | nikos | a7r: re re |
| 16:50:12 | a7r | nikos: hey.. |
| 16:54:35 | a7r | nikos: I think you're right about pulling fstroke. |
| 16:55:34 | nikos | a7r: Thanks, I was getting confused when people would refer to fstroke, I thought they meant xstroke. |
| 17:05:02 | nikos | a7r: Are the 3COM modules being worked on at all? Any idea if we can find someone to do so? |
| 17:24:36 | DragonEagle | is away: bbiaw |
| 18:17:01 | Ng | is there a way I can arrange for a script to be called when the iPAQ is put in the cradle? |
| 18:18:21 | nikos | Ng: With v0.5 and latest hotplug from unstable, checkout /etc/hotplug |
| 18:19:00 | Ng | nikos: i have hotplug installed, which event should I be acting on? |
| 18:31:36 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 21:07:43) |
| 18:32:17 | nikos | Ng: I'm not sure, but look at /etc/hotplug/sleeve.agent |
| 18:33:24 | Ng | nikos: ok, I'll have a dig around |
| 18:33:47 | Ng | might even have to do a Wiki entry if I can figure it out :) |
| 18:38:25 | nikos | Ng: It's pretty clear from the file. Very similar to /etc/init.d/ scripts. |
| 18:50:43 | Ng | nikos: yeah, doesn't seem to cover the USB cradle though and from the logging I just added I don't think that connecting it to a cradle produces a hotplug event of any kind |
| 18:51:32 | nikos | Ng: Woops, my mistake, I heard cradle and thought "sleeve"! Sorry |
| 18:51:40 | Ng | hehe, np ;) |
| 18:55:01 | Ng | I guess that the kernel would need usbdevfs available to do hotplug on USB connections |
| 18:55:34 | nikos | Ng: I'm not sure it's possible to detect when the serial cradle connects. It is possible with USB maybe. |
| 18:56:27 | Ng | yeah, serial I don't want to know about, but I want to have it runs some rsync stuff when it hits the USB cradle |
| 18:56:45 | Ng | but I don't really want to do it from the host PC side (like in http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/ipaq%20hotsyncing) |
| 19:05:45 | phearbear | anyone compiled/ported some irc software? |
| 19:06:21 | nikos | phearbear: There's the beginning of an oldish xchat port in handhelds.org CVS. |
| 19:07:07 | Ng | nikos: according to the hotplug docs it should be calling /etc/hotplug/usb.agent, which I created, but it doesn't seem to be being called |
| 19:07:24 | phearbear | hmm, ok, might look at that later.. don't have any working linux install with crosscompile tools now.. just though if someone had some nice and sweet binary.. oh well, i'll just go to bed instead =) |
| 19:10:13 | nikos | Ng: Checkout /sbin/hotplug |
| 19:10:15 | tuc | nikos: So far, so good on my setup. Thanks again... Today I figured I'd spend a little time on PPP... Kermit/Minicom available to test? |
| 19:11:04 | nikos | tuc: You want to test the ipaq's serial port? I don't understand. |
| 19:11:32 | tuc | nikos: Correct. I don't want to be blaming PPP for not dialing when the modem wouldn't. |
| 19:11:46 | pattieja | Ng: hotplug definitely. Are you setting up USB networking as well? |
| 19:12:08 | Ng | pattieja: yes, I have the usb networking setup by the iPAQ when it boots |
| 19:12:15 | pattieja | Ng: once you do that, the connection is setup through hotplug every time you "dock" the iPAQ in its USB cradle. |
| 19:12:16 | | i guess bleeding feed is http://familiar.handhelds.org/~nelson/bleeding/ |
| 19:12:16 | nikos | ibot: bleeding feed |
| 19:12:26 | pattieja | hotplug can then be told to run anything you want |
| 19:12:28 | pattieja | at that point |
| 19:12:45 | nikos | tuc: minicom is in the bleeding feed |
| 19:12:53 | tuc | nikos: Thanks. Going.... |
| 19:13:13 | Ng | pattieja: the network works fine, the problem is that plugging the ipaq into the cradle doesn't seem to generate a hotplug event, /sbin/hotplug isn't being called at all. |
| 19:13:28 | pattieja | nikos: you mean I went to debian's arm distro for nothing? |
| 19:13:32 | pattieja | to get minicom? |
| 19:13:49 | pattieja | Ng: on the server or the iPAQ? |
| 19:14:11 | Ng | pattieja: sorry, I should have said, this is on the iPAQ. the hotplug stuff works fine on the server |
| 19:14:33 | pattieja | I would think you would initiate everything on the server side anyway? |
| 19:15:55 | Ng | pattieja: I know it can work just fine that way, I guess I will just have to have the server call a script on the iPAQ, I was just kinda hoping it would be possible the other way |
| 19:16:29 | pattieja | well, if it doesn't generate an event on the iPAQ, I guess not :) |
| 19:17:01 | Ng | I would have thought it would be possible though, but I don't know much about how USB devices view each other |
| 19:17:11 | pattieja | me neither |
| 19:17:19 | Ng | oh well, thanks anyway :) |
| 19:17:47 | pattieja | but you have to remember too, that the iPAQ is a device and the server is the host, so the iPAQ is generating the event for the host (I think) |
| 19:18:28 | Ng | yeah, I was just hoping it would also generate an event on the iPAQ. Damn USB for not being peer-peer ;) |
| 19:22:40 | nikos | pattieja: Depending on when you went. Yes. ;) |
| 19:22:40 | pattieja | huh? |
| 19:22:40 | nikos | pattieja: minicom... |
| 19:22:40 | pattieja | ahh |
| 19:22:40 | pattieja | yep |
| 19:22:40 | pattieja | [iPAQ] How to connect an iPAQ and a notebook with irlan? |
| 19:22:40 | pattieja | can't get to this e-mail... |
| 19:22:40 | pattieja | whew, there it is |
| 19:27:53 | pattieja | nikos: hmmm. http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IrLAN |
| 19:29:08 | nikos | pattieja: Not exactly helpful. |
| 19:29:20 | pattieja | I would think not :) |
| 19:29:49 | nikos | pattieja: The only reason the page exists is because someone asked a new FAQ question is awaiting the answer. |
| 19:29:57 | nikos | http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Compaq%20Handhelds |
| 19:30:02 | nikos | pattieja: At the very bottom. |
| 19:31:30 | pattieja | hmm |
| 19:31:41 | pattieja | I guess noone answered the question. |
| 19:34:34 | nikos | pattieja: Have you read http://www.fokus.gmd.de/linux/HOWTO/pdf/Infrared-HOWTO.pdf ? |
| 19:34:47 | pattieja | nope. Goin there now... |
| 19:36:09 | pattieja | hmmm.... |
| 19:36:11 | pattieja | you can then use IR via ppp using the ircomm module support. irlan seems |
| 19:36:11 | pattieja | to be horribly broken. it crashes the second machine attaching to the |
| 19:36:12 | pattieja | irlan network. |
| 19:36:28 | pattieja | and this is on the iPAQ |
| 19:36:41 | pattieja | but it is from Sep. 2000 |
| 19:38:06 | pattieja | even further reading... |
| 19:38:08 | pattieja | > IrDA in SIR mode works fine after this patch. irlan is broken, but |
| 19:38:08 | pattieja | > that one seems to be broken on i386 as well, the second machine that |
| 19:38:09 | pattieja | > joins the LAN dies horribly. I first crashed the iPAQ, and on |
| 19:38:09 | pattieja | > the second |
| 19:38:09 | pattieja | > try managed to crash my laptop. |
| 19:38:40 | nikos | pattieja: http://linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Infrared-HOWTO/index.html |
| 19:38:46 | nikos | pattieja: That version is from April, 2001 |
| 19:40:19 | pattieja | already read over that |
| 19:40:57 | pattieja | take a look at section 3.3 regarding IrLAN and tell me what you make of it |
| 19:41:26 | pattieja | the second bullet paragraph says that eth0 must not be configured before modprobing the irlan module |
| 19:41:53 | pattieja | however, I have to have eth0 up and running before any of the IR stuff because I'm mounting NFS via eth0 as root filesystem |
| 19:43:25 | nikos | pattieja: The only way that is possible is for all of this to be compiled in the kernel. |
| 19:43:32 | pattieja | ouch |
| 19:43:38 | pattieja | hmm |
| 19:43:44 | pattieja | and still fit on a floppy... |
| 19:44:38 | nikos | pattieja: I'm assuming you mean an eth0 which represents the irlan device, right? |
| 19:45:05 | pattieja | according to the docs yes, but not to me. eth0 for me is a PCMCIA 3Com network adapter |
| 19:45:28 | pattieja | which I then use to mount NFS as a root filesystem inside an initial ramdisk and then pivot_root onto the NFS root filesystem |
| 19:45:42 | pattieja | the NFS filesystem has all the irda-utils and modules, etc. |
| 19:45:57 | nikos | pattieja: Ignore that reference to eth0 then, the irlan "should" come up as eth1 then. |
| 19:46:15 | pattieja | I've been seeing it come up as irlan0, though |
| 19:46:30 | pattieja | and when I attempt to do the ifconfig, the ifconfig command freezes |
| 19:46:33 | nikos | pattieja: Well, OK, that part of the doc may be old. ;) |
| 19:46:40 | pattieja | hmm |
| 19:47:21 | nikos | http://linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Infrared-HOWTO/infrared-howto-s-mailing-list.html |
| 19:47:28 | nikos | Have you looked through the mailing list? |
| 19:47:33 | pattieja | :) |
| 19:47:36 | pattieja | not yet |
| 19:47:41 | pattieja | goin there now... |
| 19:53:46 | pattieja | nikos: hmm. IrNET looks promising too, but the link in the HOWTO is broken |
| 19:56:16 | boodle | Hi. Any ideas for the following error msg when trying to insmod 'nfs' on hh9? /lib/modules/2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs/kernel/fs/nfs/nfs.o: unresolved symbol rpc_wak |
| 19:56:26 | boodle | (it goes on but cut off by screen) |
| 20:01:37 | tuc | Having weird problems with serial. I did "mknod /dev/ttyS0 c 4 64" and installed minicom, but everything I do gets an "OK". |
| 20:02:27 | nikos | tuc: Umm, huh? |
| 20:02:35 | nikos | tuc: Please specify 'everyting I do' |
| 20:02:45 | nikos | tuc: Are you using minicom to talk to a device? |
| 20:03:00 | nikos | tuc: OK is the standard success response from a AT command device. |
| 20:03:05 | tuc | nikos: If I do "ATI1", I just get "OK". If I hit "ATwrowtiwjetrweriuwer", I get "OK". Using Minicom to /dev/ttyS0 |
| 20:03:15 | nikos | tuc: What is the device? |
| 20:03:21 | tuc | nikos: I can't get it to return anything when I fupp duck. |
| 20:03:34 | nikos | tuc: Well, some devices are just that stupid. |
| 20:03:38 | tuc | nikos: Psion 56K Data/Fax PCMCIA in Dual sleeve |
| 20:03:55 | tuc | nikos: It is supposed to return info on ATI1, isn't it? |
| 20:04:11 | nikos | tuc: How about AT&V? |
| 20:04:34 | tuc | nikos: I hit "ATDT5551212" and it IMMEDIATELY comes back with "OK". AT&V gives "OK" |
| 20:05:04 | nikos | tuc: Hmm, that's odd. This device works elsewhere? |
| 20:05:28 | tuc | nikos: Used to. I decommissioned it a few months ago in favor of an IBM card... |
| 20:05:43 | sgodsell | is away: Got to go! |
| 20:06:02 | nikos | tuc: Same from ATI0? |
| 20:06:22 | tuc | nikos: Same... |
| 20:06:30 | nikos | tuc: ATQ0V1X4 |
| 20:06:43 | nikos | tuc: What do you have flow control set to in minicom? |
| 20:06:48 | tuc | nikos: |
| 20:06:53 | tuc | nikos: Same. |
| 20:07:37 | tuc | nikos: HDW-Yes, Sft-No |
| 20:07:48 | nikos | tuc: Turn them both off and try it. |
| 20:08:12 | nikos | tuc: Do you have a phone line connected? Can you try dialing into a server somewhere? |
| 20:09:05 | tuc | tuc: No phone line. I figured if I couldn't get basic things running, then dialing wouldn't work either. |
| 20:09:29 | nikos | tuc: I wouldn't assume that. |
| 20:10:14 | nikos | tuc: You used this with Linux in the past? |
| 20:10:41 | tuc | nikos: 1.0.9 was the last kernel I used. |
| 20:10:54 | nikos | tuc: That long ago? |
| 20:11:07 | tuc | nikos: Sorry, wrong answer. I thought you asked what *MY* last Linux exposure was. Answer is NO. |
| 20:11:21 | nikos | tuc: Ah, what did you use this modem with? |
| 20:11:28 | tuc | nikos: BSD/OS |
| 20:11:36 | nikos | tuc: Good enough. |
| 20:11:48 | nikos | tuc: Any difference with different flow control? |
| 20:12:21 | tuc | nikos: No. I unplugged it from the net to bring closer to a phone. |
| 20:12:43 | nikos | tuc: K, I would just give it a try on a phone line if it were me. |
| 20:12:56 | tuc | nikos: Nope, no dialing |
| 20:13:31 | nikos | tuc: That's very very odd. The fact that you are getting 'OK' would sure seem to indicate that the modem is working from Linux's standpoint. |
| 20:13:47 | tuc | nikos: I just took the card out, WOW is it hot! |
| 20:14:06 | nikos | tuc: yeah, that happens. My wireless card gets pretty warm. |
| 20:14:48 | tuc | nikos: Put in my IBM one, responds properly. |
| 20:15:53 | tuc | nikos: Whoa, wait.. Something odd "ttyS00 at port 0xf70003f8 (irq = 32) is a 16550A" |
| 20:16:26 | tuc | nikos: Never mind, other card does the same. |
| 20:17:09 | tuc | nikos: Guess yet another case of "Generic hardware that don't work!". WHY ME?! |
| 20:18:37 | nikos | tuc: The fact of the matter is the hardware is working. |
| 20:19:02 | nikos | tuc: Otherwise you wouldn't even be able to get 'OK'. The rest is 100% internal to the modem. Unless this is a software modem. |
| 20:19:04 | tuc | nikos: But on the one I wanted for my LAPTOP, not the IPAQ. Now I need to spend MORE money... |
| 20:19:22 | nikos | tuc: No, that's not what I'm saying. |
| 20:19:34 | tuc | nikos: Confused then... |
| 20:19:47 | nikos | tuc: The first one is FULLY supported on the ipaq. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to enter commands and get 'OK' at all. |
| 20:20:20 | nikos | tuc: Modems appear as nothing more than serial ports to computers. If the serial port works, then the computer has done it's job. Everything else is internal to the modem. |
| 20:20:21 | tuc | nikos: Then why can't I get it to do anything? I did "ATI0" on the IBM and it gave "5601". |
| 20:20:43 | nikos | tuc: Can you try the first modem on some other device? |
| 20:20:46 | tuc | nikos: Ah, ok, now I understand. Blame the hardware, not the IPAQ. |
| 20:21:18 | nikos | tuc: I'm of course assuming that this is a hardware modem, not a software one. The story is very different for a 'software' modem. |
| 20:21:31 | nikos | tuc: Software modems require very specialized drivers. |
| 20:21:32 | tuc | nikos: Can't use software modems on BSD/OS. |
| 20:21:41 | nikos | tuc: I didn't think so, that's why I asked. |
| 20:22:21 | nikos | tuc: Does that modem work 'now' on BSD/OS? |
| 20:22:56 | tuc | nikos: Gonna need a reboot to find out. The IBM (Working in IPAQ) is my normal modem. The Psion I haven't checked. |
| 20:23:01 | tuc | ATDT9,2017280 |
| 20:23:04 | tuc | BUSY |
| 20:23:12 | nikos | tuc: What's that? |
| 20:23:26 | nikos | tuc: Got a PBX in the way? |
| 20:23:42 | nikos | tuc: Is that the IBM on the ipaq or the other one on BSD/OS? |
| 20:24:27 | tuc | nikos: Sorry, testing the IBM via minicom. Its a PBX, but generates analog lines. (Its our FAX) Thats the IBM in the IPAQ |
| 20:26:08 | tuc | nikos: Not really busy, All circuits busy. We are at Ground Zero, so phone service is flaky at times. |
| 20:27:04 | tuc | nikos: IBM/IPAQ can dial my 800#, so I guess I can believe it works... |
| 20:28:01 | tuc | nikos: BRB, need to install the Psion in my laptop |
| 20:33:18 | tuc | nikos: Ok, well, doesn't work in BSD/OS anymore. Guess it got zapped or something. Well, atleast I know to buy another IBM (3Com) |
| 20:36:09 | nikos | tuc: Well, that's not good, but it clears up the issue. |
| 20:38:11 | tuc | nikos: Yup, sorry to bother everyone. |
| 20:38:23 | tuc | nikos: Know anyone building axnet_cs in the pcmcia_cs? |
| 20:44:36 | nikos | tuc: Not offhand. |
| 20:45:08 | tuc | nikos: Ok, thanks. Wanted to see if I could get the Linksys PCMPC100V3 working... |
| 20:47:02 | mccarthy | nikos: has anyone (besides me) complained of hwclock.sh hanging their ipaq? |
| 20:47:22 | tuc | Anyone know of ethernet dying when IPAQ is suspended? |
| 20:53:52 | nikos | mccarthy: What is hwclock.sh? |
| 20:54:42 | nikos | tuc: That's entirely possible, sleep and wakeup has never been 100% finished to my knowledge. |
| 20:55:06 | sjohnson | Ah man. There's a new version of the wlan-ng drivers. I totally missed see int. |
| 20:55:23 | tuc | nikos: Oh. Ok. I'll use screen saver instead. |
| 20:55:29 | mccarthy | nikos: a script in rcS.d that does.... hwclock --hctosys |
| 20:56:23 | nikos | bash-2.03# /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh start |
| 20:56:23 | nikos | Setting the System Clock using the Hardware Clock as reference... |
| 20:56:23 | nikos | bash-2.03# /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh stop |
| 20:56:23 | nikos | Saving the System Clock time to the Hardware Clock... |
| 20:56:23 | nikos | bash-2.03# |
| 20:56:48 | mccarthy | nikos: I never get a prompt again :( |
| 20:56:54 | mccarthy | going either way |
| 20:58:59 | mccarthy | nikos: how do I find out which package hwclock is in? |
| 20:59:49 | mccarthy | nikos: nevermind (read man stupid) |
| 21:00:16 | nikos | mccarthy: Figure it out? |
| 21:00:39 | mccarthy | nikos: its in util-linux but mine looks fine (I think), so no joy |
| 21:00:59 | mccarthy | neither ntpdate nor atd will work since something is wrong with rtc |
| 21:01:38 | nikos | mccarthy: ln -s /dev/misc/rtc /dev/rtc |
| 21:01:50 | mccarthy | nikos: nope. not it. |
| 21:01:57 | mccarthy | nikos: link exists |
| 21:02:08 | nikos | mccarthy: And so does /dev/misc/rtc? |
| 21:02:44 | mccarthy | nikos: good question. I will check. |
| 21:05:39 | mccarthy | nikos: need to reboot... |
| 21:06:38 | mccarthy | nikos: /dev/misc/rtc does exist |
| 21:06:57 | mccarthy | nikos: sa1100-rtc is loaded |
| 21:08:32 | nikos | mccarthy: Well, I'm still running 2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs #6, maybe you are farther out on the bleeding edge? |
| 21:09:07 | mccarthy | nikos: bleeding out edge |
| 21:09:13 | pattieja | nikos: I've got the two laptops irdaping'ing each other now :) |
| 21:09:35 | mccarthy | nikos: hh9 that jamey just today fixed to have a proper jffs image for the 3600 |
| 21:09:39 | pattieja | nikos: but no ifconfig ability |
| 21:09:43 | pattieja | hmm |
| 21:09:50 | pattieja | maybe they don't need IP addresses? |
| 21:11:37 | mccarthy | nikos: thanks for trying to help, I will need to bug jamey tomorrow |
| 21:12:49 | nikos | pattieja: Good job. |
| 21:13:20 | mccarthy | sjohnson: you running hh9? |
| 21:13:41 | sjohnson | yes |
| 21:13:51 | mccarthy | sjohnson: which bootloader? |
| 21:14:17 | sjohnson | 2.15.18 |
| 21:14:31 | mccarthy | any problems with the rtc? |
| 21:15:17 | sjohnson | no |
| 21:15:30 | mccarthy | where are your kernel and modules from (which feed)? |
| 21:15:40 | sjohnson | unstable |
| 21:15:50 | sjohnson | and the -hh9 feed |
| 21:16:07 | mccarthy | what do you mean by hh9 feed? |
| 21:16:31 | sjohnson | The ftp://lorien.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/2.4.7 |
| 21:17:11 | nikos | sjohnson: Did I hear you say that you are using orinoco_cs now? |
| 21:17:43 | sjohnson | nikos: Yes. Just add cards to config and bind to orinoco_cs |
| 21:18:11 | nikos | sjohnson: Any significant pluses or minuses relative to wlan-ng? |
| 21:19:35 | sjohnson | nikos: For Access Points, it's a push |
| 21:20:16 | dneuer_dinner | is away: eating |
| 21:21:05 | mccarthy | sjohhnson: if both my kernel and kernel-modules are from lorien's 2.4.7 feed (as I think yours are) how on earth could me rtc be screwed up (unless its hardware?!) |
| 21:21:34 | sjohnson | Don't know. My works fine. |
| 21:21:54 | mccarthy | argh.... |
| 21:22:00 | mccarthy | I give up (for today) |
| 21:39:22 | bhima | any guesses about when 0.5 will be fully out...? |
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