| 00:08:45 | lg | Hi guys, my 3130 is back!!! |
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| 09:15:05 | Meuuh | hello friends |
| 09:15:36 | Meuuh | i have a small pbm with Compaq WL100 (prism2 chipset) and sjohnson's wlan-ng ipkg |
| 09:15:42 | Meuuh | it tells me : |
| 09:16:05 | Meuuh | init_module: prism2_cs.o: 0.1.8-pre12 Loaded |
| 09:16:05 | Meuuh | init_module: dev_info is: prism2_cs |
| 09:16:05 | Meuuh | prism2_cs: GetNextTuple: No more items |
| 09:16:05 | Meuuh | prism2sta_config: NextTuple failure? It's probably a Vcc mismatch. |
| 09:16:05 | Meuuh | prism2sta_event: prism2_cs: Initialization failed! |
| 09:16:14 | Meuuh | and of course it doesn't work |
| 09:16:16 | Meuuh | any idea ? |
| 11:01:55 | mallum | is away: celebratory ciggarette |
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| 13:18:28 | nikos | Note: ALS registration for tech sessions is now FREE |
| 13:41:47 | pattieja | morning nikos |
| 13:42:23 | nikos | Hi pattieja |
| 13:42:26 | nikos | Morning sjohnson |
| 13:42:34 | pattieja | nikos: got the IR stuff half working |
| 13:42:52 | nikos | pattieja: the irlap? |
| 13:42:59 | pattieja | I can send test IR frames between the laptops, but not full network traffic packets |
| 13:43:03 | pattieja | irlap? |
| 13:43:08 | pattieja | what's that? |
| 13:43:26 | pattieja | isn't that the base hardware protocol level or something like that? |
| 13:43:30 | pattieja | I think that's working |
| 13:43:36 | nikos | pattieja: wrong acronym maybe, didn't you mention irlap or irdap or something to me yesterday? |
| 13:43:36 | pattieja | the machines can discover each other |
| 13:43:42 | pattieja | irlan |
| 13:43:49 | nikos | pattieja: Heh, I'm out of my depth here. I know very little about IR stuff. |
| 13:46:00 | nikos | pattieja: No ifconfig yet though? |
| 13:46:13 | pattieja | that's the problem |
| 13:46:20 | pattieja | ifconfig irlan0 192.168.2.100 up |
| 13:46:23 | pattieja | it just hangs |
| 13:46:39 | nikos | pattieja: No netmask? |
| 13:47:02 | pattieja | I read on one of the mail entries on handhelds.org for the iPAQ that they were successful in getting it to work by hitting Ctrl-C and doing ifconfig again |
| 13:47:11 | pattieja | nikos: no need, right? ifconfig makes it up for your |
| 13:47:14 | pattieja | your/you |
| 13:47:23 | nikos | pattieja: Maybe so, I've always specified it. |
| 13:47:59 | pattieja | when it does come up it's right, so I don't really ever bother |
| 13:48:11 | pattieja | however, here's the problem |
| 13:48:20 | pattieja | ifconfig irlan0 up on one machine |
| 13:48:33 | pattieja | and get it up after kill -INT ifconfig-pid a couple times |
| 13:48:52 | pattieja | the moment I run ifconfig ... on the OTHER laptop, that laptop kernel oopses |
| 13:49:15 | pattieja | and the previous laptop tells me (correctly, I guess) that there is no longer activity on the link |
| 13:49:50 | pattieja | apparently, noone has been able to get a "network" connection (using irlan) working on the iPAQ either, as far as the mail list is concerned |
| 13:50:02 | pattieja | I looked through the 49 hits that were returned for irlan |
| 13:50:45 | pattieja | by the way, I saw IrNET support in the IR HOWTO, but couldn't find it mentioned anywhere in the IR mailing list archives for the past almost year (back to Jan 2001 I searched) |
| 13:51:26 | pattieja | I don't know what IrNET is either, though. It seems like IrLAN is what we want as far as creating an infrared network device in the kernel and being able to assign it an IP address and so forth. |
| 13:51:46 | pattieja | and (hopefully) getting a true network connection between/among IR devices |
| 13:52:00 | nikos | http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/IrDA/IrNET.html |
| 13:52:34 | pattieja | nikos: none of those links to that site work |
| 13:52:50 | nikos | huh? I'm looking at it. |
| 13:53:01 | pattieja | I'll try it again |
| 13:53:23 | pattieja | woah |
| 13:53:27 | pattieja | why does it work now? |
| 13:53:45 | pattieja | none of his web pages worked all of yesterday and when I tried earlier this morning?? |
| 13:53:48 | pattieja | hmm |
| 13:53:56 | pattieja | thanks nikos |
| 13:54:33 | nikos | Sure |
| 13:55:36 | nikos | pattieja: In the kernel it's called IrDA, I see it as a config option. |
| 13:55:51 | pattieja | I've got it compiled as a module (I think) |
| 13:56:17 | pattieja | just need to grab the irnetd daemon from his website and install pppd |
| 13:56:44 | pattieja | hmm. which means I have to recompile the kernel to add support for PPP |
| 14:49:35 | SleepingDragon | is back (gone 07:48:04) |
| 14:58:50 | pattieja | nikos: boss back. iPAQ back! :) |
| 14:59:07 | pattieja | installed irda stuff. waiting for him to sync his files |
| 14:59:15 | pattieja | then I'm going to point it at the laptop |
| 14:59:38 | pattieja | (and I'm assuming it's going to crash, kernel oops like, the iPAQ that is, or the laptop) |
| 15:03:03 | nikos | pattieja: :) |
| 15:13:14 | pattieja | nikos: it's kind of disconcerting, cause I have no way to determine really what's going on. hmmm. |
| 15:13:29 | pattieja | or is that discouraging |
| 15:13:31 | pattieja | ? |
| 15:13:36 | pattieja | ^shrug^ |
| 15:18:02 | nikos_ | pattieja: Both disconcerting and discouraging. |
| 15:19:32 | pattieja | now I'm getting: cannot dereference NULL pointer ... |
| 15:19:59 | pattieja | whenever I bring up the IR stuff without the laptops pointing at each other, then turn them to point at each other. One of them crashes. |
| 15:20:10 | pattieja | hmm. |
| 15:20:29 | pattieja | time to try a new kernel maybe? was using 2.4.11-pre3. Think 2.4.12 will make a difference? |
| 15:22:50 | nikos | pattieja: I can't see that it would hurt. |
| 15:23:44 | pattieja | yep. gonna go for it |
| 15:27:51 | pattieja | nikos: If 2.4.12 doesn't work either, I may have to drop all the way back to 2.4.7 on the laptops in order for IR to work. That's what Jean_Tourrilhes is using for testing (that and 2.4.2 and one other kernel) |
| 15:28:39 | pattieja | (probably the kernels being used by the Linux distributors: redhat, slakware, suse, etc.) |
| 15:32:19 | pattieja | patching now... |
| 15:46:56 | nikos | pattieja: You might want to email him, how recent is that documentation? |
| 15:48:45 | pattieja | I don't know. I accidentally killed that window. |
| 15:54:11 | nikos | Updated 10 August 01 |
| 15:54:33 | nikos | mailto:jt@hpl.hp.com |
| 15:56:44 | pattieja | so it's not out of date really, I guess? |
| 15:57:17 | pattieja | kernel's finished compiling, now I just have to reconstruct my floppies with the initial ramdisks |
| 15:58:53 | nikos | pattieja: Well, a lot can happen in kernel development in 2 months. |
| 15:59:36 | nikos | pattieja: Who knows, discussing using the ipaq may interest him in working with IR on the ipaq. |
| 16:00:10 | pattieja | :) |
| 16:00:47 | pattieja | well, it seems that IrNET is where the IR community seems to be headed, although it isn't a standard yet. |
| 16:00:53 | pattieja | IrLAN however, is. |
| 16:01:38 | pattieja | and even though it is more heavyweight on the IR protocol and devices, it looks like the best option for having a true network device that I don't have to hassle with setting up a PPP connection across, etc. |
| 16:11:46 | pattieja | nikos: hmm. 2.4.12 crashed in exactly the same way. |
| 16:29:26 | nikos | cworth: Hi! |
| 16:30:07 | cworth | nikos: hello |
| 16:31:40 | cworth | nikos: I need some notification sounds to play on PC-card insert/eject. What makes sense? mp3s? If so, do you know a typical utility for encoding mp3s? (/me doesn't do much audio) |
| 16:32:10 | nikos | cworth: I wouldn't think mp3s would make sense for such sounds no. |
| 16:32:33 | nikos | cworth: Wouldn't it make more sense to have something you could either feed directly to /dev/audio, or to a sound daemon? |
| 16:32:47 | cworth | nikos: yes, probably. |
| 16:33:11 | cworth | nikos: I don't really care about doing it the right way right now. I just need something quick and dirty by the end of the day. :) |
| 16:33:33 | nikos | cworth: Ah, I see. Let me think a moment. |
| 16:33:42 | a7r | morning.. |
| 16:33:43 | cworth | nikos: I guess "cat > /dev/audio" is probably best then. :) |
| 16:33:49 | cworth | a7r: hi there. |
| 16:33:53 | a7r | cworth: hola. |
| 16:34:23 | nikos | hi a7r |
| 16:34:33 | nikos | s/think/try to get freshmeat to come up/ |
| 16:35:01 | nikos | cworth: http://hive.me.gu.edu.au/not_lame/ |
| 16:36:33 | pattieja | nikos: something a little more promising is happening between the laptop running 2.4.12 and the iPAQ running 2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs |
| 16:36:40 | nikos | pattieja: oh? |
| 16:36:47 | pattieja | however, the laptop is spewing some messages saying: |
| 16:37:04 | pattieja | irlap_driver_recv(): frame too short! |
| 16:37:18 | pattieja | a whole bunch of times, then it sets the FIR device down to 9600 baud |
| 16:37:45 | pattieja | then apparently it gets a connection from the other device and sets the FIR back up to 4000000 baud |
| 16:37:47 | pattieja | and attempts again |
| 16:38:09 | pattieja | then it does the frame too short message for awhile and cycles through setting the baud, etc. etc. |
| 16:38:26 | pattieja | the /proc/net/irda/discovery log states that there is no activity on the link! |
| 16:38:46 | pattieja | I'm wondering if anyone ever got irlan stuff to work |
| 16:38:49 | pattieja | hmm. |
| 16:39:16 | pattieja | I've got the latest of everything that I can think of, yet it still doesn't work. Wondering if I need older stuff? |
| 16:39:17 | nikos | pattieja: I hate to say it, but soon you are going to have to go to LKML I think. |
| 16:39:30 | pattieja | what's that? |
| 16:39:39 | nikos | pattieja: Linux Kernel Mailing List |
| 16:39:50 | pattieja | gasps |
| 16:40:32 | pattieja | wouldn't it be an issue that the author(s) of the individual pieces would be concerned with? |
| 16:40:43 | pattieja | or I guess they would be monitoring that mailing list? |
| 16:40:52 | nikos | pattieja: Yes indeed. I guess I meant searching the LKML might be in order. |
| 16:41:05 | pattieja | ahh. k |
| 16:41:06 | cworth | nikos: hmmm... mixer_0.4-kc0.1 is your doing, no? |
| 16:41:11 | nikos | pattieja: If you were to send email, I would start by contacting the authors directly I suppose. |
| 16:41:14 | nikos | cworth: Yes. |
| 16:41:28 | pattieja | nikos: yep. Thanks |
| 16:42:07 | cworth | nikos: I'm finding it impossible to kill from the touchscreen. Is there a way to prevent the override-redirect behavior? |
| 16:42:21 | nikos | cworth: I'm stalled trying to figure out what to do next with it. I just can't see creating yet another dock app. Ion can't really handle more than one or two at a time in my opinion. |
| 16:42:34 | nikos | cworth: Shift-click or ctrl-click. |
| 16:42:42 | nikos | cworth: Read the README in /usr/share/doc/mixer/ |
| 16:42:53 | a7r | cworth: You seen anything else re: ePaq out of mandrake? |
| 16:43:19 | cworth | a7r: nope |
| 16:43:31 | a7r | hmm.. that slacker.. gotta get in touch with him. |
| 16:43:40 | nikos | cworth: You can edit /etc/X11/app-defaults/Emix to remove the override redirect, but then it's painful with ion. |
| 16:44:45 | cworth | nikos: I just want to bring something up, set the volume, then kill it. If I could do that it would be much less painful. |
| 16:45:25 | cworth | nikos: as far as controlling audio level with a running sound program, don't such programs typically have their own volume control? |
| 16:45:31 | nikos | cworth: Shift-Button1 quits. Note that on the ipaq the Q button maps |
| 16:45:31 | nikos | to shift. |
| 16:45:44 | cworth | nikos: yes, I can kill it now. |
| 16:46:00 | nikos | cworth: Are you saying that an independent mixer is pointless? |
| 16:46:17 | a7r | I like independent mixers.. having duplicated functionality is lame. |
| 16:46:17 | cworth | nikos: I think a popup dockapp that grabs the pointer or something and just disappears when the stylus is pressed outside the window would be quite nice. |
| 16:46:22 | nikos | cworth: I'm of the opinon that each program implementing its own mixer is pointless. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen. |
| 16:46:42 | a7r | nikos: we need to look at having a centralized sound daemon.. |
| 16:46:44 | nikos | cworth: What does 'grab the pointer' mean in a touchscreen context? |
| 16:46:46 | a7r | like esd, but one that doesn't suck. |
| 16:46:53 | nikos | a7r: What sucks about esd? |
| 16:47:13 | cworth | nikos: meaning that your program can get the button press even if it is not in its window. |
| 16:47:16 | Disconnect | nikos: quality, lag, distortion, cpu usage.. ;) |
| 16:47:23 | a7r | what Disconnect said. ;) |
| 16:47:38 | cworth | nikos: then your program can go away, (and even replay the button press for whatever other window next). |
| 16:47:42 | nikos | Well, at some point we've got to complain less, take what we can get and improve it. |
| 16:47:45 | Disconnect | was so happy to get an sblive (32 or so simul opens) and drop all the esd stuff. Can tell when an app uses esd, even for general effects .. |
| 16:47:53 | nikos | cworth: I think I understand now, let me give it a little thought. |
| 16:48:04 | Disconnect | nikos: I did, as far as esd. got a soundcard w/ multiple pcm channels. ;) |
| 16:48:12 | a7r | nikos: there are better projects out there. |
| 16:48:46 | nikos | a7r: Well, let's bite the bullet then and pick one. |
| 16:49:41 | a7r | http://sourceforge.net/projects/asd/ |
| 16:50:29 | | OK, nikos. |
| 16:50:29 | nikos | ibot: asd is at http://sourceforge.net/projects/asd/ |
| 16:51:23 | DragonEagle | is away: bbiaw |
| 16:55:39 | a7r | nikos: can you start looking at what it would take to get mixer talking to asd? |
| 17:00:56 | nikos | a7r: Yes, I'll look at it this weekend. |
| 17:01:16 | a7r | cool. |
| 17:01:57 | nikos | a7r: Any idea which copy in CVS is the current one? |
| 17:39:27 | boodle | is away: lunch |
| 17:49:02 | boodle | is back (gone 00:09:31) |
| 17:56:50 | cworth | nikos: OK, I got my "cat sound.raw > /dev/dsp" to work just fine. Only drawback is that I have *huge* sound files. But, it's quick and dirty, just like I wanted for today. :) |
| 18:03:26 | nikos | cworth: Are the very long sounds? |
| 18:03:30 | nikos | s/the/these/ |
| 19:11:32 | dxz | newbie question: |
| 19:12:03 | dxz | i've noticed i need the sysctl option kern.chown_restricted set to 1 |
| 19:12:15 | dxz | but its not dynamically changable .. |
| 19:12:27 | dxz | where in the kernel config do i set it ? |
| 19:12:44 | a7r | ksteele: hey.. |
| 19:23:12 | ksteele | a7r: Greetings |
| 19:28:03 | cworth | ksteele: hello |
| 19:30:56 | ksteele | cworth: Would it be possible to have ipkg list show the 'src' too? |
| 19:31:13 | cworth | ksteele: what src? |
| 19:31:53 | ksteele | cworth: The source feed from which that ipkg would be loaded. I.e. the src in /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 19:32:55 | cworth | ah, that src... unfortunately, ipkg isn't even keeping track of that right now... |
| 19:33:11 | nikos | cworth: Well it is, it's the name of the list file. ;) |
| 19:33:15 | cworth | but, yes, it should. Just need to do that from-scratch rewrite of ipkg that I have been planning for so long. |
| 19:33:31 | nikos | cworth: Oh I see what you mean, not for installed packages. |
| 19:33:32 | cworth | nikos: no, but not for installed packages. |
| 19:33:40 | cworth | nikos: :) |
| 19:34:04 | Disconnect | cworth: about to test new xstroke on intimate (xdpyinfo shoes XRENDER now) |
| 19:34:25 | cworth | Disconnect: ah, very nice. |
| 19:34:35 | Disconnect | er not XRENDER, but RENDER ;) |
| 19:34:56 | cworth | Disconnect: 0.5-10? if so, I imagine you'll find piles of apps. in intimate with which it doesn't work. |
| 19:35:26 | Disconnect | um. dunno. lemme check., |
| 19:36:04 | Disconnect | cworth: any way to tell? no version listed on ./xstroke -h |
| 19:36:46 | Disconnect | hrm. doesn't matter. |
| 19:36:48 | Disconnect | root@intimate:/tmp# ./xstroke |
| 19:36:48 | Disconnect | X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) |
| 19:36:48 | Disconnect | Major opcode of failed request: 137 (RENDER) |
| 19:36:48 | Disconnect | Minor opcode of failed request: 8 () |
| 19:36:48 | Disconnect | Value in failed request: 0x24 |
| 19:36:48 | Disconnect | Serial number of failed request: 81 |
| 19:36:51 | Disconnect | Current serial number in output stream: 84 |
| 19:36:56 | Disconnect | soon as I started trying to draw |
| 19:37:12 | cworth | Disconnect: oh... |
| 19:37:33 | cworth | Disconnect: what X bits do you have? Not just any RENDER will do, you know... ;-) |
| 19:37:49 | cworth | Disconnect: I think you need RENDER protocol 0.2 or something. |
| 19:38:20 | Disconnect | cworth: how do you find out? xdpyinfo just shows RENDER as an extension |
| 19:40:21 | cworth | Disconnect: I think you just found out. ;-) |
| 19:40:53 | cworth | Disconnect: xstroke should really be doing XQueryExtension to check for this kind of thing, but I've been lazy. |
| 19:41:49 | Disconnect | slocate shows libXrender.so.1 for both. (can mount /boot and diff them, if necessary. but I'd rather just get a straight answer ;) ..) |
| 19:42:24 | cworth | I don't think there's a utility to do it, but a tiny little program that calls XQueryExtension should do the trick. |
| 19:42:59 | Disconnect | can I just copy the familiar libXrender into intimate? |
| 19:43:26 | cworth | Or, you could just back off to xstrok 0.5-4 and see if that works, (it should work with the older RENDER). |
| 19:44:13 | cworth | Discone |
| 19:44:38 | cworth | Disconnect: I have no idea if you can copy the libraries back and forth, but I imagine it can't hurt to try. |
| 19:44:38 | Disconnect | yah. gonna see if copying libXstroke over fixes it or not. |
| 19:45:02 | cworth | Disconnect: hmmm, maybe I should write libXstroke some day. ;-) |
| 19:45:30 | Disconnect | heh |
| 19:45:35 | Disconnect | er libXrender I meant ; |
| 19:45:36 | Disconnect | ;) |
| 19:45:52 | Disconnect | so far so good. x server booted. xstroke loaded. |
| 19:46:32 | Disconnect | X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) |
| 19:46:32 | Disconnect | Major opcode of failed request: 137 (RENDER) |
| 19:46:32 | Disconnect | Minor opcode of failed request: 8 () |
| 19:46:32 | Disconnect | Value in failed request: 0x24 |
| 19:46:32 | Disconnect | Serial number of failed request: 85 |
| 19:46:33 | Disconnect | Current serial number in output stream: 92 |
| 19:46:44 | Disconnect | damn. |
| 19:46:53 | Disconnect | 0.5-4 you said? where @? |
| 19:47:11 | Disconnect | (this, btw, is using the familiar libxstroke....) |
| 19:47:15 | Disconnect | what else could it be? |
| 19:47:24 | Disconnect | sigh. libxrender. |
| 19:49:14 | cworth | Disconnect: *sigh* it looks like the xstroke 0.5 release directory (ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/projects/xstroke/release-0.5) starts with 0.5-5. |
| 19:49:57 | Disconnect | doh. |
| 19:50:16 | cworth | it's tagged in CVS though. ;-) |
| 19:50:31 | Disconnect | isn't up to a cvs .... but wait! I could do it right on the ipaq! yay! :) |
| 19:50:37 | | i guess xstroke is ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/projects/xstroke/release-0.5 |
| 19:50:37 | Disconnect | ibot: xstroke |
| 19:50:41 | | Disconnect: sorry... |
| 19:50:41 | Disconnect | ibot: xstroke cvs |
| 19:50:53 | cworth | why not use all of the X stuff from Familiar though? |
| 19:51:05 | Disconnect | cworth: dunno. its a tangent thing. |
| 19:51:24 | cworth | well, the newer xstrokes are really much better. |
| 19:51:45 | cworth | Disconnect: then tell Tangent to upgrade. :) Or just copy them all over yourself. |
| 19:51:49 | Disconnect | yes. thats why I'm going to so much effort to try to get it working. |
| 19:52:00 | Disconnect | not sure what it'll break. want to take a backup first ;) |
| 19:52:35 | cworth | xstroke is in apps/xstroke at hh.org CVS. Compiling on the iPAQ should be a breeze. |
| 19:53:06 | cworth | that is... it would be, but your incudes for render will be too old. *sigh* |
| 19:53:27 | cworth | includes even. |
| 19:53:50 | Disconnect | trying just copying over Xipaq .. see what happens. |
| 19:53:59 | cworth | Disconnect: don't suppose you have room to check out all of XFree86 onto your intimate installation. ;-) ;-) |
| 19:54:48 | Disconnect | RAWK :) |
| 19:55:05 | cworth | yes, of course the extension is really in the X server, (but you'll need the new render library as well). |
| 19:55:15 | Disconnect | cp /boot/usr/X11R6/bin/Xipaq /usr/X11R6/bin .. s/Xfbdev/Xipaq/ in /etc/init.d/x .. poof. works. |
| 19:56:11 | Disconnect | cworth: still got issues tho (same as the old one did under icewm) |
| 19:56:13 | Disconnect | control_win_toggle_recognition: XGrabPointer failed. |
| 19:56:52 | cworth | hmm... I'm quite sure users have used xstroke under icewm with familiar. |
| 19:57:21 | cworth | Disconnect: XGrabPointer??? that's not the latest xstroke then. |
| 19:57:26 | Disconnect | dunno then. I never got icewm working on fam. |
| 19:57:34 | Disconnect | hrm. wait. they are both running I think (doh) gimme a sec |
| 19:57:36 | Disconnect | will retest |
| 19:57:43 | cworth | sorry about the lack of version in xstroke. |
| 19:57:56 | cworth | oh, yes. it would fight with itself. :) |
| 19:58:13 | Disconnect | ./xstroke |
| 19:58:13 | Disconnect | control_win_toggle_recognition: XGrabPointer failed. |
| 19:58:26 | Disconnect | no only had one going. (and funny, if you VERSIONED THEM it would be easy to tell ;) ..) |
| 19:58:28 | Disconnect | yah. |
| 19:58:42 | cworth | get a newer xstroke and try again. -9 or -10 should be fine. |
| 19:58:46 | Disconnect | this is the one with the blue wide bar (grey shadow) by default. works great. (when that happens, gotta click the enabler again) |
| 19:58:48 | Disconnect | ok |
| 20:01:17 | Disconnect | ok -10 doesn't work at all. looks great. won't stroke. |
| 20:01:48 | Disconnect | ok mostly won't stroke (ie in the middle of my rxvt. but if I hit the title bar, it strokes.) |
| 20:02:51 | cworth | yes, -10 tries to be smart about which windows want strokes or not. rxvt confuses it by default. I have a new rxvt at: ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/projects/xstroke/release-0.5 |
| 20:03:17 | Disconnect | saw the rxvt there. ok lemme grab that and try it. (as a fallback, does -9 work?) |
| 20:03:30 | cworth | I also know dillo and sysset have the same problem, (haven't fixed those yet). I'd be interested to hear what other programs don't work. |
| 20:03:57 | Disconnect | um. ok. what if I want to use the ipaq this weekend, and won't have net access? which ver for that? ;) |
| 20:04:09 | cworth | what I really need to do is give xstroke 3 modes, On/Auto/Off, (it now has Auto/Off and it used to have On/Off). |
| 20:04:51 | cworth | the great thing about -10 is that you can use scrollbars and menus without turning off xstroke, (well, GTK sscrollbars work --- QT scrollbars don't yet) |
| 20:04:55 | Disconnect | whimpers. Need a ver that'll work most/all of the time, since I won't have the option of up/downgrading until Monday.. |
| 20:05:17 | cworth | the stick with -9. The only change in -10 is the new auto stuff. |
| 20:05:26 | Disconnect | yes but the horrible horrible thing about -10 is that I'm liable to be completely unable to type ;) ;) |
| 20:05:29 | Disconnect | ah ok cool. |
| 20:05:41 | Disconnect | will test 10 this weekend, assuming -9 works as a fallback :) |
| 20:05:52 | Disconnect | oh. and assuming you upload -9. |
| 20:06:20 | cworth | hey... I put a big warning in the README, (and Familiar/unstable only has -9). I haven't dared unleash -10 on the masses as is. |
| 20:06:51 | cworth | if you do try -10, I would be interested in hearing success/failure reports for specific programs, (besides those I've already mentioned). |
| 20:07:31 | Disconnect | from -8 "control_win_toggle_recognition: XGrabPointer failed. |
| 20:07:31 | Disconnect | WaitForSomething(): select: errno=11" |
| 20:07:38 | Disconnect | ok lemme hit feeds then |
| 20:08:47 | cworth | yup. got rid of XGrabPointer in favor of XGrabButton at some point. It behaves much more nicely with that. |
| 20:09:38 | Disconnect | same XGrabPointer in -9... |
| 20:11:11 | cworth | Disconnect: oops. you're right. I wasn't reading my ChangeLog closely enough. |
| 20:11:33 | Disconnect | whee.... |
| 20:11:36 | Disconnect | -10 is truely insane. |
| 20:11:44 | cworth | Disconnect: -8 and -9 are the same binary, (only a package control file changes). -10 has several changes. |
| 20:11:50 | Disconnect | loaded up 3 of the new rxvts (on workspace 1, 2, 3) .. |
| 20:12:18 | cworth | Disconnect: fixing misbehaving apps is quite easy if you want to whack at things. :) |
| 20:12:31 | Disconnect | typing fine on 1 (where xstroke window was..) went to 2.. typed fine.. ditto 3.. went back to 1.. when I click to disable xstroke instead of turning off it draws a line from the top-left down to the Abc entry, and won't click. it acts like I'm dragging and endpoint around. |
| 20:13:49 | Disconnect | now it toggles abc/123/*123*/abc .. (moved the window down, and it thinks I'm going up-left-down-right (the path from the window to the corner and back) so it goes "whee! mode change!" |
| 20:14:48 | Disconnect | hrm. it seems now that it -can- stroke ok, it just won't toggle w/o going insane. |
| 20:15:32 | cworth | Disconnect: xstroke behaves badly if it is not in the upper-left of the root window. I've already fixed this, (in CVS if you're interested). Not in a release yet. |
| 20:16:17 | Disconnect | cworth: ahh .. lemme put it there then, see what happens. |
| 20:17:12 | Disconnect | it'd be nice to click-drag titlebars ;) |
| 20:17:20 | cworth | X reports different coordinates when you stroke on top of the control window vs. any other window. I never noticed before since ion docks it up in the corner. Someone else tried it in icewm and pointed it out to me. The fix was actually very easy. |
| 20:17:38 | Disconnect | is there an 'off' stroke? |
| 20:17:55 | sgodsell | is away: Got to go! |
| 20:18:10 | Disconnect | can't get it all the way to the corner.. fscking ice won't de-title-bar it. |
| 20:19:13 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 03:27:50) |
| 20:22:27 | Disconnect | cworth: what do I need to build it? just xlibs-dev? |
| 20:22:37 | cworth | Disconnect: close should be good enough, no? |
| 20:23:03 | cworth | Disconnect: probably. But you'll need latest and greatest Render header files. |
| 20:23:26 | cworth | time for me to run. Hopefully have a new release out soon. |
| 20:23:32 | Disconnect | cworth: no.. close sucks. |
| 20:23:36 | Disconnect | close does caps instead of num ;) |
| 20:23:49 | Disconnect | ok cya later (hopefully my phoens will be back before monday) |
| 21:06:56 | DragonEagle | is away: just away |
| 22:24:04 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 01:17:08) |
| 23:00:28 | ronin | is away: Video games for me! |
| 23:25:06 | BrianR__ | hey folks. |
| 23:25:14 | BrianR__ | Has anyone looked at the agenda vr3 stuff? |