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| 02:36:52 | drrakn | hullo all :) |
| 02:37:11 | drrakn | can anyone jog my memory, re: the bootldr command to shut off the backlight? |
| 02:39:07 | drrakn | nevermind. "help" helps ;) |
| 04:45:56 | drrakn | anyone alive? |
| 04:46:11 | banshee | nope, their all over handhelds.org |
| 04:46:15 | drrakn | ahhh |
| 05:38:38 | drrakn | gnight all |
| 07:33:18 | SleepingDragon | is away: good night all |
| 07:54:21 | _Axu_ | hi |
| 12:27:26 | atv | hi |
| 12:27:41 | atv | im trying to get pppd on my ipaq (it wasnt on the 5.0 familiar version |
| 12:27:48 | atv | any idea's on how to do this ? |
| 12:27:58 | atv | i only have a console connection |
| 12:28:28 | Kero | minicom can send a file w/ zmodem |
| 12:31:33 | atv | Kero: yes but doesnt the ipaq need some server software then ? |
| 12:37:10 | atv | anyone pls |
| 12:37:45 | Kero | ipaq has rz on board (lsrzsomething package) |
| 12:38:41 | Kero | Don't tell me a7r forgot that package, too... |
| 12:42:05 | atv | well pppd just isnt on the 5.0 distro |
| 12:42:11 | atv | i need the arm pppd |
| 12:42:28 | atv | yes rz |
| 12:42:31 | atv | that's there |
| 12:42:46 | atv | minicom just doesnt respond to the key sequences |
| 12:42:58 | atv | i had that alot lately, anyone know what the problem is? term setting maybe ? |
| 12:44:24 | Kero | 8N1, no flowcontrol whatsoever. |
| 12:45:10 | Kero | odd that minicom doesn't respond. |
| 12:47:15 | atv | hmm |
| 12:47:19 | atv | i have that |
| 12:47:32 | atv | i just press ctrl then a then z |
| 12:47:34 | atv | no response |
| 12:52:43 | Kero | ^A z |
| 12:52:49 | Kero | (not ^A ^Z) |
| 12:55:57 | atv | what's the difference there ? |
| 12:56:32 | Kero | 's a different key; released Control before pressing z. |
| 12:57:25 | Kero | just guessing that you got so comfortable w/ minicom that you type too fast :) |
| 12:57:27 | atv | so what should be the right keypressing way then? |
| 12:57:33 | atv | hmm |
| 13:01:55 | atv | i think i'll just hook the ipaq up on my windows box |
| 13:02:11 | atv | and do a rz and a hyperterm from there, just downloading the ppp-arm first |
| 13:02:24 | atv | bit strange that pppd wasnt on the distro though |
| 13:04:24 | Kero | someone should explain that to me before I install 0.5, I think :) |
| 13:04:43 | atv | explain what? |
| 13:04:51 | Kero | why ppp is missing |
| 13:05:30 | atv | oh |
| 14:05:37 | atv | what filesending programs has linux standard installed ? |
| 14:38:25 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 07:05:06) |
| 15:47:09 | nikos | sjohnson: Morning, |
| 15:47:20 | nikos | sjohnson: I don't suppose you are a G++ guru? |
| 16:10:29 | antonio44 | buenas |
| 16:13:26 | nikos | Hello antonio44 |
| 16:15:49 | antonio44 | adios familia |
| 16:47:38 | sjohnson | nikos: Fair to middlin' g++. It's been awhile. But ask away. |
| 16:48:24 | nikos | sjohnson: If you are interested we are talking in #nikoshelp, france has me upgrading to 3.0.1 right now though. I would be happy to fill you in if you like there. |
| 17:10:45 | atv | hmm |
| 17:10:52 | atv | no ssh on familiar 5.0 either |
| 17:10:56 | atv | grrrreat |
| 17:11:01 | nikos | atv: Left out accidentally, |
| 17:11:06 | nikos | atv: No networking yet? |
| 17:11:20 | nikos | atv: Download manually to desktiop and transfer over using zmodem. |
| 17:12:01 | nikos | atv: I will also note that this is Familiar v0.5-pre not v5.0. Big difference. |
| 17:13:01 | atv | nikos: yes i thinking doing that |
| 17:13:04 | atv | im |
| 17:13:22 | atv | nikos: can i still use rlogin or something ? |
| 17:14:20 | nikos | atv: I don't understand the question. |
| 17:14:36 | nikos | atv: We only provide ssh, until then, login on the serial console. |
| 17:16:20 | atv | atv: ok. i was wondering if i could use rsh to remotely login |
| 17:16:28 | atv | atv: but i guess i have to get ssh |
| 17:16:35 | nikos | That's correct. |
| 17:16:43 | atv | it seems i'm talking to myself now ;-) |
| 17:18:56 | atv | thx |
| 17:23:44 | atv | where do i get the ssh binary |
| 17:23:58 | atv | arent their any arm ports for telnetd or ftpd yet ? |
| 17:24:08 | atv | oh and is php already compiled with thttpd ;-)? |
| 17:28:47 | | unstable feed is at http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/ |
| 17:28:47 | nikos | ibot: unstable feed |
| 17:28:57 | nikos | atv: Look there for packages for v0.5-pre |
| 17:29:33 | nikos | atv: We don't really have room in 16MB of FlashROM for multiple daemons, and ssh provides remote console as well as file transfer along with security. |
| 17:32:35 | atv | nikos: ok thanks |
| 17:33:05 | atv | nikos: know how i could upload trough my linux notebook? i don't know of any program that could do this in console mode. and minicom just isnt working for me |
| 17:33:45 | Disconnect | atv: if you go over to intimate (via nfsroot or onboard storage - pcmcia/microdrive) you get full debian-arm. at the cost of nfsroot "speeds" or cost for onboard storage ;) |
| 17:35:08 | nikos | atv: Be sure you have lrzsz installed. |
| 17:35:18 | atv | nikos: dont have intimate |
| 17:35:21 | nikos | atv: sz --version from the command line. |
| 17:35:22 | atv | nikos: dont have microdrive |
| 17:35:34 | atv | nikos: so , lrzsz is for host ? |
| 17:35:34 | nikos | atv: I'm not talking about Intimate. |
| 17:35:38 | nikos | atv: Yes. |
| 17:35:54 | nikos | atv: You need it on both sides, but Familiar comes with it already. |
| 17:36:04 | atv | cool thanks dude |
| 17:36:21 | Disconnect | atv: I was talking about intimate, as in if you desperately need all those things you can get them. but not w/o microdrive or nfsroot. first you need to get familiar running ;) |
| 18:30:05 | DragonEagle | is away: just away |
| 18:43:46 | atv | i have a question regarding lrzsz |
| 18:43:52 | atv | it doesnt seem to work |
| 18:44:03 | atv | i start rz on the ipaq |
| 18:44:42 | atv | and lsz on the host |
| 18:45:11 | atv | but i get some garbage and at a certain time the host transfer seems to be done, but the ipaq receive status never quits and the file isnt there neither |
| 18:45:21 | atv | anyone any idea on how this should work ? |
| 18:45:55 | nikos | atv: OK, don't bother with rz on the ipaq, zmodem will execute it automatically. |
| 18:46:12 | nikos | atv: Since you have sz installated, minicom will use it. |
| 18:46:20 | nikos | atv: So just use minicom's zmodem upload. |
| 18:46:26 | atv | nikos: i have some serious issues with minicom |
| 18:46:36 | nikos | atv: Like what? |
| 18:46:36 | atv | nikos: the short cuts dont work with me |
| 18:46:40 | atv | nikos: dunno why |
| 18:46:42 | nikos | atv: ctrl-a s? |
| 18:46:50 | atv | nikos: yes that just doesnt work |
| 18:46:56 | nikos | atv: try alt-s |
| 18:47:00 | atv | nikos: doesnt seem to respond to key shortcuts |
| 18:47:10 | atv | nikos: ok..ill try |
| 18:47:47 | atv | nikos: nope. just shows ^[s on the keyboard |
| 18:47:50 | nikos | atv: You are holding ctrl, hitting a, letting off of control, then hitting s? |
| 18:47:58 | nikos | atv: it's not ctrl-s |
| 18:48:18 | nikos | atv: It's ctrl-a , then just s, or possbily alt-s, depending on your setting. |
| 18:49:48 | atv | nikos: nothing seems to work. really weird |
| 18:50:12 | atv | nikos: i used minicom before and normally it works ok |
| 18:50:55 | atv | nikos: maybe term setting? |
| 18:51:02 | atv | anyway.. |
| 18:51:05 | nikos | atv: go to superuser and run 'minicom -s' |
| 18:51:21 | atv | can i not run the filetransfer program apart from minicom? |
| 18:51:42 | nikos | atv: You must have something to open the serial port, sz doesn't do that part. |
| 18:52:03 | nikos | atv: And you really need to get minicom working, you will need it. |
| 18:52:23 | atv | nikos: hmm ok |
| 18:52:27 | atv | nikos: but how.. |
| 18:52:49 | nikos | atv: You can modify the config as root by running 'minicom -s' |
| 18:53:01 | atv | nikos: i know |
| 18:53:13 | nikos | atv: Then look at the 'Screen and keyboard' configuration. |
| 18:53:18 | atv | nikos: k |
| 18:53:23 | nikos | atv: Item A. |
| 18:54:23 | atv | brb |
| 19:18:49 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 00:48:44) |
| 21:30:17 | DragonEagle | what's the stability status of 0.5? |
| 21:56:24 | nikos | DragonEagle: It's good for me, single sleeve doesn't work well, don't suspend with a pcmcia or cf card in. |
| 21:57:26 | DragonEagle | hmmmm, what kernel ver is it based on? |
| 22:00:05 | DragonEagle | nm, just found it |