| 00:58:06 | sgodsell | Hello Everyone ;) |
| 00:59:37 | nikos | sgodsell: You aren't a g++ guru are you? |
| 01:56:32 | a7r | hey dneuer.. |
| 01:56:32 | dneuer | hi all |
| 01:56:38 | dneuer | a7r: how goes it? |
| 01:57:00 | a7r | dneuer: it goes.. I'm hacking on my router right now. |
| 01:57:25 | dneuer | a7r: cool. I'm adding 31xx backlight support to the kernel |
| 01:57:34 | a7r | nice. |
| 01:57:56 | dneuer | needs to learn more about initrds |
| 01:59:52 | a7r | /join #sclug |
| 01:59:54 | a7r | er. |
| 03:32:51 | beeblebrox | is away: Away! |
| 03:32:53 | beeblebrox | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 03:59:31 | sgodsell | is away: Got to go! |
| 04:55:18 | SleepingDragon | is away: 3:30 is going to come too soon |
| 06:36:48 | | skiff is, like, at http://handhelds.org/projects/skiffcluster.html |
| 06:36:48 | debugger | ibot: skiff |
| 06:37:03 | debugger | dneuer: hello |
| 06:40:37 | dneuer | hi debugger |
| 06:41:44 | dneuer | bye debuffer |
| 06:41:48 | dneuer | bugger |
| 06:41:57 | debugger | i see new jffs2 for h3135 |
| 08:20:32 | mastre | hi |
| 13:28:00 | nikos | jg: Hi, how are you? |
| 13:29:50 | dneuer | hi |
| 13:30:46 | nikos | Morning dneuer |
| 13:31:21 | nikos | dneuer: Do you have any idea if the Familiar v0.5 release is going to support the 3100s as smoothly as it does the 3600s? |
| 13:38:30 | pattieja | morning nikos |
| 13:39:37 | nikos | Hiya pattieja |
| 13:39:39 | nikos | Morning Disconnect |
| 13:39:58 | Disconnect | heya nikos |
| 13:40:00 | pattieja | nikos: you get your mixer thingy working? (asd I think) |
| 13:43:54 | nikos | pattieja: I'm not sure what parts of the story you heard. I'm fighting with gcc/ld now. I'm sure it's an idiot mistake, but I'm having link problems with my test program. If you think you might have any insight I would be happy to discuss it with you. |
| 13:55:07 | dneuer | nikos: I hope so! |
| 13:55:22 | nikos | dneuer: Me too. |
| 13:58:01 | pattieja | nikos: no insight from me :) ^sheepish^ |
| 13:58:33 | pattieja | actually, I need help. Have to have ESC key on stowaway. In vi. can't get out of insert mode! |
| 14:02:33 | dneuer | nikos: what's your compiler/linker problem? |
| 14:03:10 | nikos | dneuer: G++ related, I can compile a c version of my app just fine, but the almost identical c++ version gives link errors. Want details? |
| 14:20:22 | nikos | Morning sjohnson |
| 14:20:29 | sjohnson | hey nikos |
| 14:31:38 | sgodsell | is back (gone 10:32:05) |
| 14:34:38 | sgodsell | Hello nikos, sjohnson ;) |
| 14:37:26 | nikos | Hi sgodsell |
| 14:39:54 | sjohnson | ho sgodsell |
| 15:02:25 | sjohnson_lunch | is away: lunch |
| 15:16:12 | dneuer | is away: gotta go |
| 15:30:54 | nikos | is away: Errands |
| 15:37:24 | SleepingDragon | is back (gone 10:42:04) |
| 15:46:56 | boodle | is away: lunch |
| 15:53:35 | sjohnson | is back (gone 00:51:10) |
| 16:12:14 | nikosAWAY | is back |
| 16:44:08 | boodle | is back (gone 00:57:05) |
| 16:50:55 | nikos | a7r: Hi, if you are curious there is an asd build on the cluster in ~nikos/projects/asd4. I haven't tried it or anything though. |
| 16:51:13 | nikos | a7r: The library kind of sucks though. Of course, it is v0.2. |
| 16:52:28 | a7r | nikos: how does it suck? |
| 16:54:51 | nikos | a7r: No library (.a or .so) is built at the moment, and it looks like the includes files are not c++ compatible, I had trouble all weekend and dneuer finally helped me and pointed out that I would probably have to wrap the includes with extern "C" { }. I'm working on testing that out right now. |
| 16:55:03 | nikos | a7r: It's certainly workable, but it needs work. |
| 16:55:09 | a7r | nod. |
| 16:55:20 | nikos | a7r: A test program of mine seemed to wig out asdlib pretty badly, but I haven't worked out why yet. |
| 16:55:49 | nikos | a7r: The sounds got quite and "noisy" while I was running my test mixer app. May be my fault though. |
| 16:55:54 | nikos | s/quite/quiet/ |
| 16:56:09 | a7r | hm. |
| 16:56:39 | nikos | a7r: I guess the main thing I would suggest is for someone to step up with some expertise and put it through its hoops. |
| 17:10:23 | nikos | sjohnson: My problem turned out to be that the asdlib headers needed to be wrapped in extern "C" { } |
| 17:11:13 | sjohnson | Duh. I shoould have thought of that. D*mn I'm rusty. |
| 17:11:54 | nikos | sjohnson: Now if my stdc++ libs on my machine at the office here just worked. ;) |
| 17:19:12 | DragonEagle | is away: bbiaf |
| 17:25:19 | pattieja | nikos: are you attempting to compile a straight C program with a C++ compiler? |
| 17:31:17 | nikos | pattieja: Yes and no. My program is not straight C, but I'm relying on a Library that is. It's the libraries header that has the problem. |
| 17:42:33 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 00:23:21) |
| 18:57:04 | | pattieja: i'm not following you... |
| 18:57:04 | pattieja | ibot: stowd |
| 18:57:08 | pattieja | hmm |
| 18:57:12 | | i heard stowaway was the stowaway foldup keyboard from thinkoutside.com, the palm version can be hacked for ipaq use (http://www.iptel-now.de/HOWTO/SER_PALM_KBD/ser_palm_kbd.html) |
| 18:57:12 | pattieja | ibot: stowaway |
| 18:57:41 | pattieja | nikos: know where the latest version of the stowd daemon is located? |
| 18:58:19 | nikos | pattieja: I'm sorry I don't, send andyc some email. |
| 18:58:28 | pattieja | address? |
| 18:58:32 | | nikos: excuse me? |
| 18:58:32 | nikos | ibot: andyc |
| 18:58:35 | | nikos: huh? |
| 18:58:35 | nikos | ibot: andyc email |
| 18:58:58 | pattieja | Andrew.Christian@compaq.com |
| 18:59:01 | pattieja | that it? |
| 18:59:08 | nikos | Yes, that sounds right |
| 18:59:22 | pattieja | k |
| 18:59:23 | pattieja | thanks |
| 19:11:03 | sjohnson | pattieja: For the latest stowaway module you don't need stowd. |
| 19:11:27 | sjohnson | cat /dev/stowaway is enough to enable the keyboard. |
| 19:11:57 | pattieja | sjohnson: understood. But there's a serious limitation with that approach :) |
| 19:12:04 | atv | does anyone know where i can download binaries for the ipaq familiar? |
| 19:12:11 | pattieja | and I currently have it working that way |
| 19:12:22 | sjohnson | pattieja: AH. OK |
| 19:12:46 | pattieja | sjohnson: can't do menu entries to enable/disable the stowaway using that approach |
| 19:13:27 | sjohnson | pattieja: Actually. You can. you just need some creative scripting. |
| 19:13:39 | pattieja | like? |
| 19:15:37 | sjohnson | pattieja: I haven't really though about it in detail. But have a script that does the cat /dev/stowaway and some trapp handleing to kill the script cleanly. |
| 19:16:36 | sjohnson | But a little C program will be better. With a script we've got the script binary overhead. |
| 19:16:43 | pattieja | sjohnson: the moment the 'cat > /dev/stowaway' happens, the cat process is "stopped" |
| 19:16:59 | pattieja | hence, stowd <-- :) |
| 19:18:50 | sjohnson | pattieja: The cat is stopped, because the program is waiting on import from the device which will neven comes. If any input cames the process would way up and output it. |
| 19:19:15 | pattieja | at which point the cat dies, by the way |
| 19:20:21 | sjohnson | The stowd program will simply be 'cat' without a read from the opened file. |
| 19:21:26 | pattieja | right |
| 19:21:57 | pattieja | and possibly have other features that would allow it to coexist with getty so you could transparently move from the keyboard to the serial cradle and back, etc. |
| 19:31:53 | sjohnson | pattieja: I think we will need some sort of passthru shim for getty. We need to disconnect getty from the serial port without letting getty think it's not connected to a serial port. |
| 19:32:30 | Disconnect | sjohnson: -STOP getty ; stowd ; -CONT getty ; -KILL getty ..? |
| 19:32:51 | Disconnect | sjohnson: -STOP lets stowd work.. -CONT restarts, but port state is wacky, so kill and let init restart.. |
| 19:33:34 | sjohnson | Disconnect: Will not work. The getty stil has the serial device open and the stowaway driver can't grab the serial device. |
| 19:34:01 | Disconnect | ahh. thats a pisser. |
| 19:36:03 | sjohnson | Disconnect: It should be too hard to code a psuedo serial device. IIRC there is a network serial device that will allow one to connect to a serial device on another server via the network. That should provide a good starting point. |
| 19:36:14 | sjohnson | s/should/should not/ |
| 19:36:16 | Disconnect | killall -9 getty && stowd ..? that'd result in init complaining, but you won't see it ;) |
| 19:36:50 | sjohnson | And if init has too many errors with device. It will be disable from running for 5 minutes. |
| 19:37:37 | pattieja | what if in that scenario, you just run getty from init once |
| 19:37:51 | pattieja | then have menu entries that start stowd by first stopping getty, then launching stowd |
| 19:37:59 | sjohnson | pattieja: Then once your login and logout once. No more login prompt. |
| 19:38:17 | pattieja | then you can also have entries that would restart getty by stopping stowd and starting getty |
| 19:38:40 | pattieja | I'm pretty sure people will mostly be using X on their iPAQ's (but I could be wrong) |
| 19:38:56 | Disconnect | sjohnson: yah, but only 5 mins. so do killall -9 getty && stowd && telinit q .. when you reread init it'll retry getty. |
| 19:38:56 | jtm | There's going to have to be some compromise and its all customizable to whatever you want |
| 19:39:23 | Disconnect | wait. this is the hard way. here's the easy way. |
| 19:39:34 | Disconnect | modify getty to release port on USR1 and re-grab on USR2... |
| 19:39:44 | sjohnson | Disconnect: That is a dirty hack to me. Either we need a new getty or a shim device |
| 19:39:47 | Disconnect | kill -USR1 getty ; stowd ; kill -USR2 getty. |
| 19:39:59 | sjohnson | Er, not the USR1 idea. |
| 19:40:37 | jtm | on another topic, i am using unstable feeds from .5pre and later. Why are the letters in rxvt spread out l i k e t h i s |
| 19:41:04 | jtm | They are anti-a and small but too spread out. |
| 19:41:07 | sjohnson | jtm: Did you run the portinst script and fetched the M$ fonts? |
| 19:41:20 | jtm | i dont think it ever worked for us |
| 19:41:27 | sjohnson | s/portint/postinst/ |
| 19:41:40 | Disconnect | jtm: run postinst. |
| 19:41:58 | jtm | i'll try |
| 19:42:00 | sjohnson | jtm: ipkg install familiar-postinst ... then run /root/postinst script |
| 19:42:59 | jtm | there is no /root/postinst |
| 19:43:23 | sjohnson | jtm: 'ipkg install familiar-postinst' didn't work? |
| 19:43:41 | jtm | dont know if we ever tried that one? pattieja? |
| 19:43:52 | sgodsell | is away: Got to go! |
| 19:44:10 | Disconnect | whee. want one. http://www.asciimation.co.nz/beer/ |
| 19:44:30 | sjohnson | is afraid to ask. |
| 19:46:43 | jtm | Thank you, postinst worked...I was under the impression that method is going away... |
| 19:46:51 | Disconnect | sjohnson: "What follows is my story about a shed, a warm beer and a home made jet engine." |
| 19:47:07 | Disconnect | jtm: it can't .. microsoft won't let anyone redistribute the fonts, so you have to download them yourself. |
| 19:58:04 | pattieja | is away: I'm busy |
| 19:58:22 | pattieja | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 21:52:43 | po | hi there |
| 21:52:48 | po | just installing familiar on my ipaq |
| 21:53:05 | po | how do I use ipkg without a jacket & pcmcia network card - is it possible? |
| 21:53:58 | nikos | po: Sure, all sorts of ways, I assume you are referring ot network connection methods? |
| 21:54:03 | nikos | po: usbnet, ppp |
| 21:54:05 | | i heard usbnet was at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking |
| 21:54:05 | nikos | ibot: usbnet |
| 21:54:07 | | ppp is http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/PPPHowto |
| 21:54:07 | nikos | ibot: ppp |
| 21:54:32 | po | thanks I'll read those and give it a try. Does anyone know a cheap UK place for the jackets though, prices are a bit steep! |
| 22:19:03 | nikos | a7r: Are you around? |
| 22:19:58 | a7r | nikos: I Am. |
| 22:20:23 | nikos | a7r: have you looked at asd at all? |
| 22:21:05 | a7r | nikos: not yet. |
| 22:21:50 | nikos | a7r: I'm a little confused about something, but I just realized I should look at esd for a bit. Forget it for now. |
| 22:52:11 | DragonEagle | is away: it pays the bills, but the hours suck |
| 22:52:25 | pattieja | is away: home |
| 23:07:15 | gazer | hey. Is anyone around to answer a slightly higher level question then "did I brick my ipaq?" |
| 23:11:59 | a7r | yup. |
| 23:13:09 | gazer | a7r: hey. I have a fresh install of the current 0.5 prerelease, a pcmcia sleeve and a wavelan card. How do I get the networking setup. It seems that the wavelan card isn't being recongized. |
| 23:13:40 | a7r | gazer: this is lame, but try pulling the card, waiting a second, and plugging it back in. |
| 23:13:48 | a7r | I have some new images coming out with Jamey's latest fixes. |
| 23:14:30 | gazer | Hmm. I manually installed (via rz/sz) the wireless-tools and wvlan module and that seemed to work, once I yanked the card. Thanks. |
| 23:14:48 | gazer | woo hoo. I can ping. |
| 23:15:55 | gazer | grr. backspace doesn't work. |
| 23:50:20 | sgodsell | is back (gone 04:06:27) |