| 00:02:01 | sgodsell_cant_stay_long | is away: Movie time |
| 00:02:11 | sgodsell | is away: Movie time |
| 02:48:32 | [E]Phox | anyone wanna help with a toasted ipaq |
| 03:14:14 | sgodsell | is back (gone 03:12:13) |
| 03:25:41 | mirov_ | Good evening. Anyone know when v0.5 will be released ? |
| 03:29:46 | sgodsell | It is still beta, but a very usable beta |
| 04:05:06 | mirov_ | Thanks (baby started crying, stepped out for a moment). The features I'm interested in are dual-sleeve backpack support, 802.11b (prismII), and ideally being able to boot from flash/microdrive. |
| 04:12:42 | mirov_ | My other request is for a working familiar C development environment that runs under Sparc Solaris, anyone doing that ? |
| 04:47:02 | jacques_ | maybe if i had a sparc... |
| 04:53:14 | sgodsell | is away: Got to go! |
| 09:24:31 | phedders | I've just install linux on an ipaq (3660) (familiar 0.5 pre + intimate on a microdrive) but I've got two questions. 1) how do I make the display portrait 2) how do do midlle/right button presses? |
| 09:25:26 | phedders | disconnect: thanks for your help last night btw ;O) |
| 09:25:40 | phedders | sgodsell ditto :O) |
| 10:10:34 | phedders | oooh found the answer to the first question.. |
| 12:15:24 | sgodsell | is back (gone 07:22:09) |
| 12:27:13 | sgodsell | Hello nikos ;) |
| 12:27:21 | nikos | Hi sgodsell |
| 12:40:01 | pattieja | is away: I'm busy |
| 12:40:21 | pattieja | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 12:50:35 | beeblebrox | is away: Away! |
| 13:45:09 | dneuer | hi |
| 13:45:17 | sgodsell | is away: bbl |
| 13:45:25 | debugger | hello |
| 13:59:49 | phearbear | oh oh.... |
| 14:10:10 | phearbear | anyone awake? |
| 14:10:27 | phedders | sort of |
| 14:13:10 | phearbear | u don't happen to have the 8390.o pkg/file avail? i happend to remove that one (killing my network on the ipaq *oups* ) and handhelds.org is sorta down now.. |
| 14:14:48 | Disconnect | phearbear: sorta down? works fine here. |
| 14:15:44 | phearbear | which ip are you using? 204.123.13.90 rite? |
| 14:16:19 | Disconnect | phearbear: try "www.handhelds.org" .. its virtual server, so ip prolly won't work. |
| 14:17:06 | phearbear | still no good.. :/ |
| 14:18:24 | phearbear | hmm, dies at 14 sea1-lga1-oc48.sea1.above.net (216.200.127.66) 242 ms 235 ms 274 ms .. |
| 14:22:04 | Disconnect | looks like its your provider - mine goes through icix.net (a -lot- of icix.net) and straight into dec.com |
| 14:32:51 | phearbear | yep.. |
| 14:33:53 | phearbear | someone please dcc 8390.o? :) |
| 14:38:41 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 15:46:28) |
| 15:17:49 | sgodsell | is back (gone 01:32:31) |
| 16:10:45 | nikos | jg: Hello |
| 17:08:36 | jg | nikos: hi. |
| 17:10:28 | pattieja | is away: lunch |
| 17:16:46 | | See http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/H3100 |
| 17:16:46 | MalteseFalcon | ibot: 3100 |
| 17:16:56 | | MalteseFalcon: sorry... |
| 17:16:56 | MalteseFalcon | ibot: mono |
| 17:24:09 | | dneuer feed is probably http://handhelds.org/~dneuer/feed/ |
| 17:24:09 | nikos | ibot: dneuer feed |
| 17:24:14 | nikos | MalteseFalcon: See that. |
| 17:25:09 | MalteseFalcon | nikos: Thanks! |
| 17:30:32 | mallum | nikos: is handhelds cvs ok ? |
| 17:35:49 | nikos | mallum: Haven't used it since yesterday, why do you ask? |
| 17:36:19 | mallum | nikos: hmm cvs is hanging when I try and commit, works ok for cworth though |
| 17:37:02 | nikos | mallum: How long are you giving it? A lot of the work occurs on your local system figuring out what to commit, it's also dependent on bandwidth. Be sure to give it plenty of time. |
| 17:37:23 | mallum | nikos: yeah I have |
| 17:37:58 | nikos | mallum: I'll take a look around... |
| 17:39:47 | nikos | mallum: working on xkbd? |
| 17:39:58 | mallum | yeah nearly done on the rewrite |
| 17:41:17 | nikos | mallum: Still hanging? |
| 17:41:48 | mallum | yeah |
| 17:42:00 | mallum | one sec looks like I cant ssh in niether now |
| 17:42:12 | nikos | mallum: Same machine as you are using for irc? |
| 17:42:40 | nikos | ken@linux:~/projects/247$ ping 62.30.165.75 |
| 17:42:40 | nikos | PING 62.30.165.75 (62.30.165.75): 56 data bytes |
| 17:42:51 | nikos | mallum: I can't ping you from my system. |
| 17:43:08 | mallum | nikos: yeah I cant ping handhelds now |
| 17:43:32 | mallum | nikos: oh, my firewall dont allow pings |
| 17:43:43 | nikos | 17 62.30.144.152 (62.30.144.152) 108.611 ms 127.127 ms 107.916 ms |
| 17:43:47 | nikos | That your firewall? |
| 17:44:31 | nikos | Oct 16 08:13:25 handhelds cvs[26027]: connect from 62.30.165.75 |
| 17:44:55 | nikos | mallum: That's the last connection I see in the h0 logs, about 2 1/2 hours ago. |
| 17:45:09 | mallum | 62.30.165.75 is my firewall |
| 17:45:33 | nikos | Well, that's what you look like to the rest of the world, so same difference. ;) |
| 17:45:49 | trammell | I'm having problems with my h3635 and familiar 0.4 -- it won't sleep |
| 17:46:02 | mallum | nikos: damn screy cable modem wierdness !!! |
| 17:46:05 | trammell | Right now I'm downloading the 2.4.7 kernel to it; I've heard that it works |
| 17:46:14 | trammell | better than the 2.4.3 that comes in the distribution. |
| 17:46:19 | nikos | trammell: Can you be more specific by 'won't sleep'? |
| 17:46:32 | nikos | trammell: You haven't installed anything from the unstable feed in recent weeks have you? |
| 17:46:37 | trammell | It goes to sleep (prints apm suspend messages on the console), but when I try to wake it up |
| 17:46:51 | trammell | the console spits out lots of error messages: |
| 17:47:04 | nikos | trammell: Like what? |
| 17:47:07 | trammell | "out-status0 = 8, status1 = 0...rs_single loop break. " |
| 17:47:15 | trammell | and then: |
| 17:47:22 | trammell | "h3600_flite_power: timeout " |
| 17:47:41 | nikos | trammell: That's the screensaver. Hit another button after you hit the power button. |
| 17:47:54 | trammell | I've tried hitting a variety of buttons. |
| 17:48:01 | nikos | trammell: That second message I mean, I don't recognize the first. |
| 17:48:10 | trammell | the out-status0 messages are scrolling continously on the console |
| 17:48:19 | nikos | trammell: What bootloader are you using? |
| 17:48:36 | trammell | the stock one from 0.4. let me check the version |
| 17:48:56 | trammell | 2.4.15 |
| 17:49:39 | nikos | trammell: Upgrade to the one referenced in the instructions now: http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.4/install/H3600/install.html |
| 17:49:42 | pattieja | is back (gone 00:39:12) |
| 17:50:57 | trammell | I typed the wrong version; that is what I had downloaded. |
| 17:52:36 | trammell | The kernel version recommended here: |
| 17:52:37 | trammell | http://www.handhelds.org/pipermail/ipaq/2001-September/009360.html |
| 17:52:57 | trammell | is supposed to deal with the problem. 2.4.7-rmk3-np1-mono1 |
| 17:53:10 | nikos | trammell: What model ipaq are you using? |
| 17:53:28 | trammell | 3635. |
| 17:53:47 | nikos | trammell: It may not matter, but that email is referring to the mono ipaqs. |
| 17:53:54 | nikos | trammell: The 3100s. |
| 17:54:21 | trammell | I see. |
| 17:54:48 | nikos | trammell: You are still running linux 2.4.3-rmk2-np1 right? |
| 17:55:16 | trammell | yes. |
| 17:55:50 | nikos | trammell: Is that first error message above verbatim? |
| 17:56:20 | trammell | yes. When I put it to sleep I get a normal APM message. |
| 17:56:27 | trammell | (hold on a second and I'll reproduce it) |
| 17:56:42 | trammell | I then hit the power button to attempt to revive it. |
| 17:56:50 | trammell | nothing happens, so I hit a few other buttons. |
| 17:57:07 | trammell | eventually it dumps the error: |
| 17:57:08 | trammell | out-status0 = 8, status1 = 0...rs_single loop break. |
| 17:57:11 | trammell | continuously. |
| 17:57:21 | trammell | until I reset it via the little button on the bottom. |
| 17:57:32 | nikos | trammell: Any idea if that happens due to a specific button? |
| 17:57:48 | trammell | I can try to narrow it down. Here's the usual suspend message: |
| 17:57:50 | trammell | sa1110_suspend: *** sa1100_suspend() |
| 17:57:50 | trammell | sa1110_suspend: *** sleep_param_p = 0xc1fdfd60 |
| 17:57:50 | trammell | sa1110_suspend: *** resume_return() = 0xc001fac0 |
| 17:58:40 | trammell | it just woke back up with this message: |
| 17:58:46 | trammell | run_sbin_pm_helper:258 pm_helper_path=/sbin/pm_helper |
| 17:58:53 | trammell | and now appears to be functioning. |
| 17:59:05 | nikos | trammell: So it's working now? |
| 17:59:14 | trammell | actually, it's in the more usual hung state |
| 17:59:22 | trammell | (that I've seen documented elsewhere) |
| 17:59:35 | nikos | trammell: I'm not sure what you mean. |
| 17:59:36 | trammell | outputing: h3600_flite_power: timeout |
| 17:59:45 | trammell | and the touch screen is inop. the backlight is off. |
| 17:59:52 | nikos | trammell: Now it some other key... |
| 17:59:58 | nikos | s/it/hit/ |
| 18:00:38 | trammell | no response. none on the serial port, either. |
| 18:01:24 | nikos | trammell: The normal thing that still happens is that if the screensaver is activated, and the ipaq is asleep longer than the screensaver timeout, when you turn back on the screensaver thinks time has passed with no activity and activates the screensaver. Hitting another button should deactivate the screensaver, but... |
| 18:02:10 | nikos | trammell: Interesting, I'm being told you should go ahead and upgrade. At this point, I would recommend just going ahead and installing v0.5-pre unless you have a specific reason not to. |
| 18:02:22 | trammell | I'll give it a try. |
| 18:03:10 | nikos | trammell: Seems to be a bug with the old serial driver which has been deprecated, must be rare I guess. |
| 18:03:26 | trammell | 0.5 needs the new bootloader? |
| 18:03:42 | nikos | trammell: Yes, you must upload everything with v0.5. |
| 18:04:14 | trammell | I'll give it a try and check back in. |
| 18:04:23 | trammell | it takes a while to transfer the root image on the serial port. |
| 18:06:41 | trammell | Uhm... that might have failed. |
| 18:06:52 | trammell | the unit is on AC power and I just uploaded the bootloader. |
| 18:06:59 | trammell | while writing new params it failed like this: |
| 18:07:00 | trammell | boot> set linuxargs "noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock/2 init=/linuxrc console=ttySA0" |
| 18:07:00 | trammell | DABT |
| 18:07:00 | trammell | 0000CA1C |
| 18:07:00 | trammell | EBFFE92C |
| 18:09:25 | nikos | trammell: Did you reset first? |
| 18:09:25 | trammell | but appears to have reset fine. |
| 18:10:05 | trammell | yes. |
| 18:10:15 | trammell | once before reseting the params and then after it hung. |
| 18:11:23 | nikos | trammell: set was the command it hung on? |
| 18:11:30 | nikos | trammell: Or on params save? |
| 18:11:35 | trammell | set. |
| 18:11:45 | nikos | trammell: set doesn't write anything, it just changes RAM. |
| 18:11:53 | trammell | weird... |
| 18:12:05 | nikos | trammell: If I were you I would flash the bootloader again, just in case. |
| 18:12:16 | trammell | Is there any way to copy the root image off of a CF card rather than xmodem? |
| 18:12:29 | nikos | trammell: No. |
| 18:13:25 | trammell | oh well. It was the fast way to remove the flash images of WinCE (copy .gz to card and it's done) |
| 18:13:51 | trammell | It would also be handy if the boot loader splash screen could show the version that was running. |
| 18:14:23 | nikos | trammell: Send suggestions to bootldr@handhelds.org |
| 18:14:30 | trammell | cool. I'll do that. |
| 19:00:22 | trammell | with the 0.5 release, my h3635 now can go to sleep if I run apm -s. |
| 19:00:29 | trammell | it will wake up when I hit the power and usually seems to work |
| 19:00:46 | trammell | afterwards. But it does not go to sleep when I hit the power button. |
| 19:01:05 | banshee | apm -s actually works on... like.. ANYTHING? |
| 19:03:42 | trammell | either from the serial console or an rxvt (or konsole) |
| 19:04:12 | banshee | apm. (period) actually working.. is what i'm surprised about |
| 19:07:16 | trammell | so I've edited /sbin/pm_helper to run apm -s. |
| 19:07:26 | trammell | it is invoked with argument suspend, even though it says that |
| 19:07:33 | trammell | shouldn't happen (in some world, maybe). |
| 19:08:21 | trammell | time to go catch a train... |
| 19:08:26 | trammell | hopefully it will wake up for the ride home. |
| 19:09:39 | nikos | trammell: Setup networking on do 'ipkg update ; ipkg upgrade' |
| 19:09:45 | nikos | s/on/and/ |
| 19:10:13 | nikos | trammell: There are updates to sleep related stuff that aren't in the image. |
| 19:47:57 | mirov__ | Good afternoon. I asked last night about a C compile environment for familiar that runs on Sparc Solaris, but most folks weren't around. Anyone got this running ? |
| 19:55:23 | sgodsell | is away: Got to go! |
| 19:59:14 | nikos | mirov__: I'm sure you could build a GCC cross toolchain and environment, I don't know of anyone who has done so for that environment though. |
| 19:59:21 | nikos | ibot: search for cross |
| 20:00:51 | nikos | mirov__: I would recommend considering using the skiffcluster instead. |
| 20:00:53 | | i think skiffcluster is at http://handhelds.org/projects/skiffcluster.html |
| 20:00:53 | nikos | ibot: skiffcluster |
| 20:06:21 | gls | all, i just re-installed an ipaq and am surprised to not have /dev/touchscreen/ . did i forget something silly ? |
| 20:06:56 | gls | familiar-pre5, images about 1 hour old [afaik] |
| 20:07:55 | nikos | gls: Does lsmod list h3600_ts? |
| 20:09:06 | gls | no, the only two modules that i have loaded are pcmcia_core && sa110-rtc |
| 20:09:38 | gls | and modprobe h3600_ts yields unresolved symbols |
| 20:09:45 | gls | perhaps my install logic is borken |
| 20:09:49 | gls | here's what i dd |
| 20:10:01 | gls | 1. bootlodr-2.15.15 && task-bootstrap |
| 20:10:11 | gls | 2. ipkg install bash && ipka install vim |
| 20:10:31 | nikos | gls: What model ipaq? |
| 20:10:31 | gls | 3. ipkg update && ipkg upgrade |
| 20:10:43 | gls | nikos: 3600 |
| 20:10:47 | nikos | gls: Technically 3 and 2 should be switched. |
| 20:10:52 | nikos | gls: That's a a series, not a model. |
| 20:11:18 | nikos | gls: 32mb RAM or 64mb? |
| 20:11:19 | gls | nikos: good-point && thx |
| 20:11:27 | gls | is is 3670 |
| 20:11:35 | nikos | gls: The reason I ask is that the most likely explanation is corruption. |
| 20:11:49 | nikos | gls: And that model is prone to corruption over heavy flash updating. |
| 20:12:01 | gls | s/heavy/installation/ ?? |
| 20:12:06 | nikos | gls: Yes. |
| 20:12:18 | nikos | gls: Have you not heard about the heat issue? |
| 20:12:35 | gls | nikos: yes, i have. but i have installed this thing at least 20times |
| 20:12:42 | gls | and have never run into the heat issue before |
| 20:12:44 | gls | [today] |
| 20:12:48 | nikos | gls: I can't be sure, but I believe you have run into it. |
| 20:13:09 | gls | just to make sure that i understand this, then |
| 20:13:47 | gls | i looked at task-boostrap.tar.gz |
| 20:14:07 | gls | and didn't find a /dev/touchscreen there either. |
| 20:14:18 | nikos | gls: There shouldn't be a /dev anything. |
| 20:14:28 | nikos | gls: We use devfs, the /dev files are not stored in the filesystem. |
| 20:14:50 | nikos | gls: It's like /proc, there is no physical file system involved, it's all in RAM. |
| 20:15:03 | gls | sure, but doesn't /linuxrc check for nodes to see if it should make some extra links for us at boottime ? |
| 20:15:12 | nikos | gls: You will see a /dev/touchscreen/ as soon as h3600_ts is loaded. |
| 20:15:34 | gls | ok. that answers my question. thx, all |
| 20:15:39 | nikos | gls: I'm not sure it checks, but it does create them yes. But this is after devfs is loaded. |
| 20:16:04 | nikos | gls: My point is that h3600_ts is in the bootstrap image. |
| 20:16:11 | nikos | gls: If you can't load it, then something is wrong. |
| 20:17:08 | gls | nikos: ok. that's a good test. |
| 20:19:19 | gls | nikos: but fwiw, there are plenty of devices in the task-boostrap.tar.gz that i downloaded earlier today. |
| 20:19:34 | nikos | gls: Where did you get it from? |
| 20:19:42 | nikos | http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/install/H3600/task-bootstrap.tar.gz ? |
| 20:19:44 | gls | ftp.handhelds.org/pub/... |
| 20:19:58 | gls | yes |
| 20:20:11 | nikos | gls: Hmm, I'll take a look... |
| 20:20:15 | gls | 4522062 Sep 29 05:48 task-bootstrap.tar.gz |
| 20:22:56 | nikos | gls: Hmm, I'm not sure. I don't see how anything stored in the filesystem could end up mapping into /dev anymore. |
| 20:23:00 | nikos | a7r: Are you around? |
| 20:23:14 | a7r | nikos: I am. |
| 20:23:36 | gls | are those entries just used for installation then ? |
| 20:24:01 | nikos | a7r: Should the task-bootstrap tarball have /dev/ files and directories in it? Won't those just be ignored under devfs? Or do they get created in /dev each time the filesystem is mounted? |
| 20:25:20 | nikos | a7r: Or do they not actually end up in the jffs2 image? |
| 20:25:37 | a7r | nikos: they're needed for bootstrapping.. a lot of them could be cut out, without affecting anything. |
| 20:26:07 | nikos | a7r: OK, thanks. |
| 20:27:53 | nikos | gls: I'm still trying to get my mind around it, but I believe you will note that many of the /dev entries in the tarball don't actually appear on the ipaq once it's booted up. |
| 20:28:22 | nikos | a7r: Do I understand you to mean that some /dev entries are needed before devfs has done it's thing? |
| 20:28:36 | gls | nikos: working on that grok too... may even take it offline and try to pin-it-down on the inside |
| 20:28:52 | a7r | nikos: the way things are now, yes, but it doesn't have to be that way. |
| 20:29:19 | nikos | a7r: OK, just trying to make sure I understand. So that /dev directory then basically disappears after devfs starts? |
| 20:29:24 | dneuer | hi all |
| 20:29:30 | a7r | nikos: Yup. |
| 20:29:32 | nikos | dneuer: Thanks again for your g++ help yeserday. |
| 20:29:33 | a7r | dneuer: hey. |
| 20:29:39 | nikos | a7r: Cool, I think I get it now. |
| 20:29:50 | dneuer | nikos: hey, np |
| 20:29:53 | dneuer | a7r: hey |
| 20:37:27 | mallum | nikos: woohoo at last commited |
| 20:38:07 | nikos | mallum: Great. |
| 20:45:01 | dneuer | mallum: what's committed where? |
| 20:45:25 | nikos | dneuer: mallum is working on ckbd and had trouble using cvs.handhelds.org earlier. |
| 20:45:29 | nikos | errr xkbd |
| 20:45:53 | mallum | yep |
| 20:46:38 | mallum | its gonna be the emacs of onscreen keyboards ;) |
| 20:46:58 | nikos | mallum: When do you add the sending email feature? |
| 20:47:12 | dneuer | mallum: I don't know whether to cheer or puke ;-) |
| 20:47:42 | mallum | nikos: gotta finish the built in office suite first .... |
| 20:48:18 | a7r | haha |
| 20:48:19 | nikos | mallum: Recent screeny? |
| 20:48:35 | mallum | nikos: I'll know one up .... |
| 20:58:31 | mallum | ok http://mallum.com/img/xkbd.png |
| 20:59:49 | mallum | that shows some differnt fonts ( AA and non AA ), different sizes, colors, fonts - the same keyboard layout though - Im gonna build a fitality ( or whatever ) one tommorow |
| 21:00:58 | nikos | mallum: Cool |
| 21:01:35 | nikos | mallum: What's going on with the white windows? |
| 21:01:55 | mallum | nikos: white windows ? |
| 21:02:16 | nikos | mallum: Like the very top right window? The letters are barely readable and it's mostly white? |
| 21:03:17 | mallum | ? |
| 21:03:30 | nikos | mallum: Hmm, let me make a screenshot of your screenshot... |
| 21:03:39 | mallum | heh |
| 21:05:14 | nikos | http://linux.ineffable.com/~ken/xkbd-myview.png |
| 21:06:29 | mallum | eeww, I think your netscape is having trouble with pngs ? |
| 21:06:53 | nikos | mallum: It never has except with your screenshots. |
| 21:07:10 | nikos | mallum: Let me try a recent moz... |
| 21:08:21 | mallum | qiv should display it fine |
| 21:08:33 | nikos | mallum: Huh, it does seem to be netscape's problem. |
| 21:08:41 | nikos | mallum: Much nicer looking now. ;) |
| 21:08:47 | mallum | heh |
| 21:09:33 | mallum | nikos: I still havn't tested it on an ipaq yet |
| 21:17:50 | dneuer | is away: dinner time |
| 21:24:45 | stealph | hillo |
| 21:50:49 | nikos | dneuer: You still away? |
| 21:58:16 | dneuer | is back (gone 00:40:27) |
| 21:58:22 | dneuer | nikos: nope, I' |
| 21:58:25 | dneuer | m back |
| 21:58:34 | nikos | dneuer: h3150user on #ipaq is looking for you. |
| 21:58:49 | dneuer | I see him, thanks |
| 21:59:18 | dneuer | nikos: looks like gmkp is helping him |
| 21:59:46 | nikos | dneuer: OK, cool |
| 23:11:11 | sgodsell | is back (gone 03:15:47) |
| 23:27:04 | dneuer | is away: just away |
