| 00:06:32 | sgodsell | is away: I have to go! |
| 04:36:44 | DozingDragon | is away: Sleep? I must experiment with this idea |
| 10:09:56 | dLux | Hello |
| 12:36:49 | pattieja | is back (gone 16:19:47) |
| 13:06:20 | nikos | familiar login: root |
| 13:06:20 | nikos | INIT: Id "T0" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
| 13:06:20 | nikos | INIT: no more processes left in this runlevel |
| 13:06:25 | nikos | That's a new one on me. |
| 13:06:39 | nikos | This occured after I attempted to login just after resuming. |
| 13:06:52 | phedders | you've got more than one thing trying to use ttySA0 I guess |
| 13:06:53 | nikos | On the serial console. |
| 13:07:01 | phedders | T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttySA0 115200 vt100 |
| 13:07:04 | nikos | Not possible, at least I don't see how. |
| 13:07:24 | nikos | There's only one port. ;) And this is the first time the unit has been on in 10 hours. |
| 13:07:47 | phedders | hmm |
| 13:08:28 | nikos | Bad swap file entry 00200000 |
| 13:08:28 | nikos | swap_free: Trying to free nonexistent swap-page |
| 13:08:28 | nikos | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-version.c: 218: _dl_check_map_versions: Assertion `needed != ((void *)0)'! |
| 13:08:30 | nikos | bad bad |
| 13:08:35 | nikos | Just tried to open an rxvt. |
| 13:25:20 | phedders | oops |
| 13:25:43 | nikos | I ended up resetting, and now I'm upgrading some stuff... |
| 13:47:19 | nikos | sjohnson: I couldn't get ipkg to installing your latest wlan-ng remotely, had to manually download and install locally. |
| 13:47:40 | sjohnson | That's weird. |
| 13:47:59 | nikos | sjohnson: Also, found a bug in /etc/pcmcia/wlan-ng.conf |
| 13:48:04 | nikos | sjohnson: Extra , on line 73. |
| 13:49:25 | nikos | Dang, power seems to be disappearing today. I'm going to have to run home for my AC adapter. |
| 14:35:17 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 09:58:30) |
| 14:39:49 | | nikos: i'm not following you... |
| 14:39:49 | nikos | ibot: fdisk |
| 14:56:20 | sjohnson_lunch | is away: lunch |
| 15:07:05 | Brend | Hi there :) |
| 15:08:13 | nikos | Hello Brend |
| 15:08:59 | Brend | Hi Nikos |
| 15:10:12 | Brend | Have you worked with Familiar on iPAQ? |
| 15:23:30 | nikos | Brend: Most certainly. |
| 15:24:51 | Brend | Any problems in getting it to work? |
| 15:25:39 | nikos | Brend: Depends on what you intend to use it for. |
| 15:26:23 | Brend | must go, talk later, Cheers, ;) |
| 15:57:39 | mtb | Err,, anyone know why I have no audio under 0.5? It worked fine with 0.4... |
| 15:58:19 | nikos | mtb: modprobe h3600-uda1341 |
| 15:58:33 | nikos | mtb: and add it to /etc/modules for future autoload on boot. |
| 16:00:00 | mtb | haha seems you have all the answers:) |
| 16:02:02 | mtb | Any ideas on the fastest way to blat image data to the screen? |
| 16:02:04 | nikos | mtb: No, just a lot of them. ;) |
| 16:02:23 | nikos | mtb: Please explain. You want to view pngs or something? |
| 16:02:30 | mtb | playing with ffmepg and there is a bottleneck somwhere... |
| 16:02:56 | nikos | mtb: Well, I'm no expert on this, but keep in mind this is a framebuffer device. |
| 16:03:04 | | See http://bbrox.org/iPAQ/BBPlay/ |
| 16:03:04 | nikos | ibot: bbplay |
| 16:03:13 | nikos | mtb: You could checkout the source on that. |
| 16:03:39 | mtb | ah ok. based on ffmpeg? |
| 16:04:12 | mtb | BBPlay doesn't seem to have been updated for a while... |
| 16:04:30 | nikos | mtb: So? |
| 16:04:54 | mtb | well, there have been some HUGE changes in ffmpeg recently |
| 16:05:32 | mtb | As in the ability to read Divx 3.11 |
| 16:07:19 | sigsegv | can someone help me with pcmcia? |
| 16:07:31 | nikos | sigsegv: Please be specifc |
| 16:08:30 | sigsegv | I bought a linksys wpc11 wireless card (prism2) but it's being recognized as a memory device |
| 16:08:45 | sigsegv | and I'm pretty sure it's 3.3V but it thinks it's 5V |
| 16:08:56 | sigsegv | finally, "cardctl ident" says "no product information..." |
| 16:09:02 | nikos | sigsegv: What distribution are you running? |
| 16:09:43 | sigsegv | I first tried it in 0.4 with the wlan-ng stuff, then I installed 0.5 pre-release which already had the wireless drivers |
| 16:09:53 | nikos | sigsegv: Not for prism2 |
| 16:09:56 | | sjohnson feed is probably http://handhelds.org/~sjohnson/feed/ |
| 16:09:56 | nikos | ibot: sjohnson feed |
| 16:09:57 | sigsegv | ahh |
| 16:10:05 | nikos | sigsegv: Install wlan-ng as appropriate from there. |
| 16:10:21 | zooty | Is there a set of instructions for re-flashing your kernel to a newer version who's image is biger than /dev/mtdblock2 |
| 16:10:45 | zooty | I.e. go from 2.4.3 on f0.4 to 2.4.7 |
| 16:10:53 | sigsegv | nikos: that's what I did in 0.4, but I should have more luck with 0.5 & wvlan-ng? |
| 16:12:01 | nikos | sigsegv: I'm not sure, you may need to edit pcmcia configs so it ids your card right. I use an SMC2632W with v0.5 and wlan-ng and it works great. |
| 16:12:27 | nikos | zooty: I would instead suggest installing v0.5 prerelease, the other is not worth the trouble. |
| 16:15:15 | sigsegv | nikos: "cardctl ident" should still work regardless of the correct module and pcmcia config files, right? |
| 16:15:54 | nikos | sigsegv: What sleeve are you using? |
| 16:16:02 | sigsegv | the single slot |
| 16:16:11 | nikos | sigsegv: I guess I should have pointed out that the single pcmcia sleeve is NOT working with v0.5. |
| 16:16:30 | sigsegv | oh, I thought it was the double sleeve that had problems |
| 16:16:42 | sigsegv | or was that earlier... |
| 16:17:07 | nikos | sigsegv: That was v0.4, which came out before the dual sleeve existed. |
| 16:17:21 | nikos | OK, where would I find mke2fs? |
| 16:17:24 | sigsegv | however, in v0.4, I had the same behavior |
| 16:17:46 | sigsegv | nikos: I think I got it off someone's account on the skiffs |
| 16:17:51 | sigsegv | (mke2fs, that is) |
| 16:17:55 | nikos | sigsegv: Thanks. |
| 16:18:03 | nikos | sigsegv: So cardctl ident misids your card? |
| 16:18:08 | nikos | sigsegv: Even in v0.4? |
| 16:18:28 | sigsegv | yes, it actually fails to id my card, saying "no product info available" |
| 16:18:42 | sigsegv | cardmgr mis-ids it |
| 16:18:55 | sigsegv | calls it as "socket 0: Anonymous Memory" |
| 16:18:58 | sigsegv | and tries loading memory_cs |
| 16:20:27 | nikos | sigsegv: Hmm, yes that doesn't sound right. I'm not sure what to tell you. |
| 16:20:47 | sigsegv | I didn't want to have to resort to loading wince to make sure the card is ok |
| 16:21:34 | sigsegv | is cardctl influenced by cardmgr's findings? |
| 16:21:35 | nikos | sigsegv: Search the handhelds.org site and wiki to find references to that card. If nothing, send email to ipaq@handhelds.org list. |
| 16:21:50 | sigsegv | or does cardctl talk directly to the pcmcia controller? |
| 16:21:51 | nikos | sigsegv: I've afraid I"m no pcmcia expert, the ipaq is my first pcmcia device. |
| 16:22:00 | sigsegv | ok |
| 16:22:40 | sigsegv | thanks for the info, maybe I'll first re-load v0.4 and try a little harder before I pile wince back on it |
| 16:22:57 | a7r | re.. |
| 16:23:22 | nikos | a7r: Hey! |
| 16:23:33 | a7r | nikos: hola. |
| 16:23:37 | nikos | a7r: I got a stowaway and a 128MB CF now. Time for some playing. ;) |
| 16:23:44 | a7r | hah, killer. |
| 16:23:48 | nikos | a7r: How goes python? |
| 16:24:02 | a7r | nikos: it goes, I ran out of time last night hacking on it.. |
| 16:26:04 | nikos | a7r: That's cool, I had no time last night at all. |
| 16:26:43 | nikos | a7r: I can't seem to ever use 2 pcmcia devices at one in the dual sleeve. |
| 16:26:48 | a7r | haha |
| 16:26:56 | a7r | yeah.. you get the hardware, but then can't use it. ;) |
| 16:26:59 | a7r | needs to get a dual. |
| 16:27:16 | nikos | a7r: At worst you can use mine at ALS. |
| 16:27:41 | a7r | cool. |
| 16:34:24 | sigsegv | nikos: I only found /z/wiki/Steve%20Redler, and about 75% down the page it says "Download the drivers here." but there's no link. :-( |
| 16:35:26 | nikos | sigsegv: Found nothing on main handhelds.org search? |
| 16:36:08 | nikos | sigsegv: Steve made the v0.4 wlan-ng package, so I'm sure that's what the link would have pointed to. |
| 16:36:21 | sigsegv | just did search on wiki (actually never noticed the main search before...) |
| 16:41:55 | sigsegv | that sucked, I don't know why I was disconnected |
| 16:44:12 | nikos | <-- sigsegv has quit (Buffer allocation error for sigsegv[woh-65-28-233-178.woh.rr.com]) |
| 16:44:47 | sigsegv | wow, that sounds serious |
| 16:45:05 | sigsegv | there's not enough room in here for me |
| 17:00:46 | mtb | h3600 |
| 17:11:36 | DragonEagle | js |
| 17:11:46 | DragonEagle | doh! |
| 17:25:30 | sjohnson | is back (gone 02:29:10) |
| 17:35:15 | mtb | ok, using modprobe h3600-uda1341 to get audio, but now many apps audio (like flite) are atr the wrong frequency... |
| 17:35:20 | nikos | is away: until about 2:25 CDT |
| 17:35:30 | mtb | any ideas anyone? |
| 17:35:54 | a7r | I have the same problem, I haven't had a chance to look into it. |
| 17:38:14 | mtb | hmmm ok, thanks:) |
| 18:19:53 | nikos | is back |
| 18:21:08 | nikos | jg: Hi, I got a stowaway and 128MB CF card today and feel like I'm truckin'. |
| 18:21:31 | jg | hi. |
| 18:22:15 | jg | sounds like fun... |
| 18:22:44 | nikos | jg: Yeah, now if I could just make it more stable with the dual sleeve. |
| 18:22:58 | jg | how's it unstable? |
| 18:23:23 | nikos | jg: It doesn't really fit and I have to fold down the support to get it to go on at all. So it's holding itself up. |
| 18:23:43 | jg | ah, yes... not exactly ideal... |
| 18:24:04 | jg | so you mean mechanically unstable, as opposed to software unstable. |
| 18:24:16 | nikos | jg: I'm trying to figure out a way to make some sort of support with a ruberrized part that touch touches the sleeve so the friction is high. |
| 18:24:23 | nikos | jg: Right, yes, mechanically. |
| 18:24:34 | nikos | jg: The new stuff andyc did for -hh10 seems to work very well. |
| 18:26:40 | jg | yeah, andyc is really good... |
| 18:27:10 | nikos | jg: How are you feeling? Noticing any effect on your sleep yet? |
| 18:28:00 | jg | Not been feeling well the last couple days: getting off of narcotics, maybe a bit precipitously and slightly prematurely... But I don't like narcotic's side effects.... |
| 18:28:56 | nikos | jg: Yeah, sounds like a good idea to me. Just have to be careful I guess. |
| 18:29:59 | jg | nikos: but I've not felt at all well the last couple days... This too, shall pass... |
| 18:32:19 | mtb | nikos: I installed the audio module as you sugested, but audio apps are playing at the wrong speed - any ideas? |
| 18:32:29 | nikos | jg: Well, I've never had surgery. But I have to imagine from your descriptions that a long time will pass until you feel exactly the same. |
| 18:32:41 | nikos | mtb: Try something known to work like madplay or scream. |
| 18:32:52 | mtb | madplay works |
| 18:32:56 | nikos | mtb: The ipaq's audio is limitted in the settings it supports. |
| 18:33:14 | mtb | flite doesn't work now - did in 0.4 |
| 18:33:33 | mtb | and the ffmpeg audio lib has the same prob |
| 18:34:49 | jg | mtb: the driver only supports stereo; the mono hack has been removed. This is architectural position taken by Alan Cox/Linus, etc. |
| 18:35:03 | jg | So fix the library to support stereo... |
| 18:35:32 | mtb | ahhhhhh - could be it... |
| 18:35:47 | a7r | jg: did those changes finally go into hh.org CVS? |
| 18:35:52 | mtb | i has speed probles with the lib and changed to mono files |
| 18:38:37 | jg | a7r: I sure think so.... |
| 18:38:45 | jg | All speeds are believed to work properly. |
| 18:39:25 | jg | but the hardware does not support mono, and the driver therefore does not either. |
| 18:40:01 | jg | It is considered a bug if applications do not adapt properly to what the hardware supports. |
| 18:44:27 | sjohnson | jg: I've just been commenting on #handhelds.org about that same thing in openh323. They have the same problem and more. |
| 18:47:04 | nikos | a7r: Looks like the module ipkg postinst scripts have a little bug. The depmod line is missing the continuation character. Not sure which packages are effected, certainly ppp-modules. |
| 19:15:53 | a7r | |
| 20:31:29 | sgodsell | is away: I have to go! |
| 21:05:39 | DocSnyder | is away: I'm busy. |
| 21:23:39 | DocSnyder | is back (gone 00:18:00) |
| 22:09:57 | ipaq_lnx | what's the news about Familiar? |
| 22:41:33 | pattieja | is away: headin' home |
| 22:43:53 | AS_AS | shalom |
| 22:44:02 | AS_AS | i hear you can put linux on iPAQ |
| 22:44:18 | bhima | yes, you can. |
| 22:47:15 | AS_AS | i'm very interested in this |
| 22:47:44 | Shpendik | has anyone done any development on top of linux to make a GPS unit? |
| 22:48:21 | bhima | "make a GPS unit"? you can get various GPS apps, yes. |
| 22:48:30 | Shpendik | hmm |
| 22:48:36 | Shpendik | do you have a URL for this? |
| 22:48:38 | Shpendik | by any chance? |
| 22:49:08 | bhima | nope. google would be your best bet. |
| 22:49:18 | bhima | There are, I'm pretty sure, _lots_ of different apps for GPS stuff. |
| 22:49:24 | Shpendik | are there memory upgrades for iPAQ ? |
| 22:49:34 | Shpendik | i.e. for an MP3 player |
| 22:49:54 | bhima | you mean flash memory? You can get a CF sleeve for $40 or a PCMCIA sleeve for $150. |
| 22:50:05 | bhima | they plug on the back and let you add lots of slots. |
| 22:51:18 | bhima | You'll need to make your own cable to plug a GPS into your iPAQ. |
| 22:51:22 | Shpendik | yeh |
| 22:51:31 | Shpendik | moving away from GPS and into MP3 player |
| 22:51:40 | Shpendik | how many megs can u get max on that thing? |
| 22:51:42 | bhima | well, you could _probably_ wire up something with adaptors... |
| 22:51:53 | bhima | How much maximum? you can use any flash card you want. |
| 22:52:03 | bhima | it uses standard flash memory cards. |
| 22:52:11 | Shpendik | how big do they go up to? |
| 22:52:26 | bhima | bigger than you can afford. |
| 22:52:35 | bhima | I don't know the current maximum. |
| 22:52:38 | Shpendik | ok, fine |
| 22:52:40 | bhima | few hundred megabytes. |
| 22:52:40 | Shpendik | but pricewise |
| 22:52:51 | bhima | for $109 you can get a 256MB compactflash card. |
| 22:53:01 | Shpendik | anything higher than that? |
| 22:53:10 | bhima | I don't know prices myself right now. |
| 22:53:14 | bhima | I know you can get much larger ones. |
| 22:53:18 | bhima | but they are much more expensive. |
| 22:53:24 | bhima | just look at any online reseller. |
| 22:53:28 | bhima | or pricewatch.com |
| 22:53:58 | Shpendik | what is this memory unit actually called? |
| 22:54:15 | bhima | Flash memory, either PCMCIA, or more likely CompactFlash. |
| 22:54:49 | bhima | have you installed any version of linux before? |
| 22:55:12 | Shpendik | looks like they have $293 for 512 megs |
| 22:55:18 | Shpendik | wow |
| 22:55:31 | Shpendik | i've done linux installs on my PC a bunch of times |
| 22:55:34 | Shpendik | never on iPAQ |
| 22:55:58 | bhima | ok. just wondering. the ipaq isn't a good first installation platform :) |
| 22:56:24 | bhima | I need to leave in a few minutes. |
| 22:56:24 | Shpendik | i know, i've read ppl have issues |
| 22:56:29 | Shpendik | i'm leaving too |
| 22:56:32 | Shpendik | shabbat is around the corner |
| 22:56:58 | bhima | there are various issues, some of them are related to the distribution, some of them are just what you get without a keyboard or monitor for console. |
| 22:57:03 | bhima | it does work though. |
| 22:57:29 | Shpendik | i'm just looking to have some fun |
| 22:57:37 | Shpendik | possibly wire iPAQ into my car |
| 22:57:41 | Shpendik | as an MP3 |
| 22:57:43 | Shpendik | player |
| 22:57:50 | Shpendik | and also use as a PDA |
| 22:58:00 | Shpendik | kinda like a portable "bitch" so to speak |
| 22:59:53 | bhima | yeah, I was thinking of doing the same thing, actually. |
| 23:00:15 | bhima | gotta go. |
| 23:00:23 | Shpendik | l8r |
| 23:05:58 | DragonEagle | is away: break time |
| 23:23:32 | sgodsell | is back (gone 02:52:03) |
| 23:37:59 | doob | lo |
| 23:39:14 | doob | anyone know anything about running linux on a Jornada 720? |
| 23:44:38 | doob | anyone know anything about running linux on a Jornada 720? |