| 00:00:01 | Shpendik | has anyone had any luck in making iPAQ an MP3/GPS unit for the car? |
| 00:01:47 | dave | anyone know what package would contain bash ? |
| 01:09:45 | dave | Would anyone here know there way around the ipkg system ? |
| 01:13:04 | mirov | dave: Good evening. A bit, what are you trying to do ? |
| 01:17:11 | dave | im installing teh packages manually as I could not get the network connection working ... once I installed ipkg_conf it no longer allows me to install futher packages says ipkg_install_file: ERROR: File not found |
| 01:17:55 | mirov | With no network how are you getting the bits into the ipaq? |
| 01:18:11 | dave | zmodem .. |
| 01:19:05 | dave | has been working so far was nearly finished |
| 01:19:32 | mirov | I did that sort of thing the first time also, but you will be much better off with a PCMCIA network card (assuming you have a sleeve to put it in). |
| 01:19:47 | dave | no sleave |
| 01:21:53 | mirov | With a network connection it can pull over things that are required by packages you've selected. If you do it all manually, - well you'll end up doing it all manually. You could set up a ppp connection between the ipaq and your host, then put all the files on your host. |
| 01:22:06 | dave | The ipaq did not come with one .. pity as i have wireless lan here .. |
| 01:22:50 | dave | was trying to get a usb connection going and got lost |
| 01:23:22 | | somebody said usbnet was at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking |
| 01:23:22 | sgodsell | ibot usbnet |
| 01:23:30 | sgodsell | Hello guys ;) |
| 01:23:46 | mirov | I've never done that myself. I had ppp going with some help from my friends... |
| 01:24:07 | dave | read the usbnet it did not help .. sorry |
| 01:24:20 | sgodsell | usb networking is so, so, so much faster than ppp |
| 01:24:43 | sgodsell | You guys need a hand with getting usb networking? |
| 01:24:58 | dave | my main consern is getting ipkg working again .. from there I can worry about the networking I think |
| 01:34:06 | sgodsell | okay dave |
| 01:34:18 | dave | Here |
| 01:34:20 | dave | thanks |
| 01:34:41 | sgodsell | you have 2.4.8 kernel |
| 01:34:54 | sgodsell | And you are using Mandrake |
| 01:35:01 | dave | nods iptables .. not sure how to do the masq on it ... yet |
| 01:35:18 | sgodsell | Hmmm, I believe mandrake has the proper usb drivers in place |
| 01:35:29 | sgodsell | but you most enable it in the kernel |
| 01:36:01 | dave | usb view works and I installed usbnet.o but the mandrake box could not ping the ipaq |
| 01:36:25 | dave | ifconfig shows usb0 once i do the ifup stuff |
| 01:36:44 | sgodsell | okay well what kernel are you using on the iPAQ |
| 01:36:53 | sgodsell | ibto 2.4.7 |
| 01:36:57 | | well, 2.4.7 is 2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs in ftp://lorien.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/2.4.7; ftp://lorien.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/outgoing also useful. demo feed old now |
| 01:36:57 | sgodsell | ibot 2.4.7 |
| 01:37:24 | sgodsell | Are you using familiar v0.4 or v0.5? |
| 01:37:36 | dave | v0.5 |
| 01:37:57 | sgodsell | Good |
| 01:40:36 | sgodsell | okay you do not have -hh9 or above |
| 01:41:15 | sgodsell | I believe the root image from the web page is using 2.4.7-x-hh6 |
| 01:41:37 | dave | Ok im lost now ? |
| 01:41:41 | sgodsell | You can update the later, once you get on the net |
| 01:41:54 | dave | Ok |
| 01:42:08 | sgodsell | ok do a lsmod on your iPAQ |
| 01:42:40 | dave | Module Size Used by |
| 01:42:40 | dave | ds 7872 2 |
| 01:42:40 | dave | sa1100_cs 9424 2 |
| 01:42:40 | dave | pcmcia_core 35776 0 [ds sa1100_cs] |
| 01:42:43 | dave | sa1100-rtc 6000 0 (unused) |
| 01:42:46 | dave | apm 5056 0 (unused) |
| 01:42:49 | dave | h3600_ts 15184 0 [apm] |
| 01:42:51 | dave | sorry bout the spam folks |
| 01:43:49 | sgodsell | It's not like there is a million conversations going on right now. No need to worry :-) |
| 01:44:01 | dave | nods |
| 01:44:45 | sgodsell | okay lets do a |
| 01:44:54 | sgodsell | modprobe usb-eth |
| 01:44:57 | sgodsell | on the iPAQ |
| 01:45:40 | sgodsell | do you see usb-eth and sa1100usb_core modules loaded? |
| 01:45:53 | dave | SA1100 USB Controller Core Initialized |
| 01:45:53 | dave | usbctl: Opened for usb-eth |
| 01:45:53 | dave | usbctl: Started for usb-eth |
| 01:46:03 | sgodsell | good |
| 01:46:20 | sgodsell | now do a |
| 01:46:24 | dave | no sa1100usb_core though |
| 01:47:06 | sgodsell | Hmmmm, you stated SA1100 USB Controller Core Initialized |
| 01:47:10 | sgodsell | Hmmm |
| 01:47:24 | sgodsell | Maybe it is built into your kernel |
| 01:47:29 | dave | Oh oops |
| 01:47:37 | dave | Yea .. been a long day |
| 01:47:55 | sgodsell | No problem ;) |
| 01:48:25 | sgodsell | ok |
| 01:48:42 | sgodsell | What ip address do you want to use on your iPAQ |
| 01:48:43 | sgodsell | ? |
| 01:49:00 | dave | 192.168.1.7 |
| 01:49:45 | sgodsell | And what is the ip address on the PC (usb) |
| 01:50:48 | dave | 192.168.1.6 should be ok .. It uses 3 for the eth0 though |
| 01:52:18 | sgodsell | Hmmmm, you are going to have a problem |
| 01:52:40 | dave | ? |
| 02:14:09 | sgodsell | okay do a lsmod on then PC. Do you have usbnet, usb-uhci, usbcore. Some controllers use usb-ohci |
| 02:14:39 | sgodsell | okay good |
| 03:31:30 | sgodsell | is away: I have got to go |
| 03:40:25 | | sgodsell was last seen on #handhelds.org 8 minutes and 42 seconds ago, saying: Good night everyone ;) [Sun Oct 21 04:31:43 2001] |
| 03:40:25 | MalteseFalcon | ibot: seen sgodsell |
| 04:08:54 | Disconnect | evening all (briefly) |
| 12:48:45 | DocSnyder | is away: :-Q |
| 12:54:22 | DocSnyder | is back (gone 00:05:37) |
| 13:54:38 | DaveH | morning folks |
| 14:22:57 | DaveH | Morning nikos |
| 14:24:10 | nikos | Hello DaveH |
| 14:25:46 | DaveH | Im now trying to recompile the kernal on my desktop to do IP forwarding etc .. Managed to get usb connection between the ipaq and pc last night |
| 14:28:43 | nikos | DaveH: Ah, OK. |
| 14:34:59 | DaveH | nikos: Do you have any idea what this error is from make modules |
| 14:35:02 | DaveH | make[2]: *** [xd.o] Error 1 |
| 14:35:23 | nikos | DaveH: I'm sorry I don't. |
| 14:35:33 | DaveH | Thanks anyway |
| 14:38:15 | DaveH | nikos: Its the XT hard disk driver ... I can dump that |
| 14:47:57 | defect | can somebody help met with a /proc/cpy/clock/current issue? |
| 14:48:13 | defect | s/met/me |
| 14:48:18 | uutyz | hello. |
| 14:48:24 | uutyz | is this a big family XD |
| 14:48:25 | uutyz | ? |
| 14:48:42 | nikos | shoot |
| 14:49:42 | defect | the 4.x release uses 0-10 as possible values, but 0.5pre has 206400 as current value |
| 14:49:57 | nikos | defect: That entire interface has changed. |
| 14:50:14 | nikos | defect: I'm not sure, but I'm guessing you would want to set it with similar values. |
| 14:50:23 | defect | I'm havind a problem with my dual pcmcia thing, so I figured lowering the speed could help (read it in the mailinglist) |
| 14:50:32 | nikos | defect: What is the problem? |
| 14:50:42 | nikos | uutyz: What do you need? |
| 14:50:48 | defect | nikos: echo 7 > recent hanged the ipaq... |
| 14:50:56 | nikos | defect: Not anymore |
| 14:51:21 | nikos | defect: Oh wait. |
| 14:51:28 | nikos | defect: I mean what is your problem with the sleeve? |
| 14:51:39 | nikos | defect: I think you should search the mailing lists for info about the new clock interface. |
| 14:51:50 | defect | nikos: hold on... inserting card (other room) |
| 14:51:55 | nikos | defect: What card? |
| 14:52:22 | defect | nikos: wireless network (Wvlan_cs driver) |
| 14:52:33 | nikos | defect: Please be specific. |
| 14:52:50 | defect | NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out |
| 14:52:50 | defect | wvlan_cs: eth0 Tx timed out! Resetting card |
| 14:52:51 | defect | wvlan_cs: MAC address on eth0 is 00 00 00 00 00 00 |
| 14:52:51 | defect | wvlan_cs: Initialization failed! |
| 14:52:57 | defect | (dmesg) |
| 14:53:31 | defect | sometime I see it getting the right HW address, but after a few seconds it's back to 00:00:00:00:00 |
| 14:53:40 | nikos | defect: Specifically what card? |
| 14:54:13 | defect | nikos: smc 802.11b card... moment... |
| 14:54:23 | nikos | defect: SMC2632W? |
| 14:54:42 | defect | nikos: yes |
| 14:54:44 | nikos | defect: PRISM2 cards DO NOT work with wvlan_cs |
| 14:54:55 | nikos | defect: You need to install wlan-ng or try to use the orinoco_cs. |
| 14:54:59 | | sjohnson feed is, like, http://handhelds.org/~sjohnson/feed/ |
| 14:54:59 | nikos | ibot: sjohnson feed |
| 14:55:05 | nikos | defect: You can find recent wlan-ng there. |
| 14:55:19 | defect | nikos: aha... that explains something :) Strange, since it does work on my laptop... same with Linksys WPC11 |
| 14:55:38 | nikos | defect: I use the most recent wlan-ng from there with no difficulty with that exact card. |
| 14:55:43 | defect | nikos: ok thanks, gonna try that now... |
| 15:10:47 | defect | nikos: ok, the card seems to be recognized ok. |
| 15:11:02 | nikos | defect: Great |
| 15:11:13 | defect | nikos: but I have some problems getting it to see the access point: p80211knetdev_hard_start_xmit: Tx attempt prior to association, frame dropped. |
| 15:12:44 | nikos | defect: That happened once or repeatedly? |
| 15:13:21 | defect | nikos: every time I try to send... |
| 15:13:37 | nikos | defect: You configured /etc/pcmcia/wlan-ng.opts? |
| 15:13:52 | defect | nikos: I probably have to edit some files to set... working on that file right now... |
| 15:14:18 | defect | wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:E0:29:9E:70:C4 |
| 15:14:19 | defect | inet addr:194.134.174.217 Bcast:194.134.174.223 Mask:255.255.255.240 |
| 15:14:24 | defect | nikos: Yes! Great! |
| 15:14:29 | nikos | defect: Excellent |
| 15:15:30 | defect | nikos: sure is! Now I can proceed to get airsnort to work... and mobile ip (show work fine with all the open copany networks in Amsterdam :) ) |
| 15:37:10 | RoMo | hey |
| 15:37:13 | RoMo | wardrivers! |
| 15:37:14 | RoMo | :-) |
| 15:37:19 | RoMo | i want that too |
| 15:37:44 | RoMo | i've an ipaq with familiar 0.4, dual-sleeve + stowaway, compaq wl100 wlan |
| 15:38:18 | RoMo | should i upgrade to 0.5pre or should i wait until 0.5release will come out? |
| 15:40:19 | RoMo | defect ß |
| 15:40:23 | RoMo | defect ? |
| 15:40:23 | nikos | RoMo: What drivers does wl100 use? |
| 15:40:43 | RoMo | no idea. that's my problem. it's a prism2 card |
| 15:41:01 | nikos | RoMo: wlan-ng then probably. That all works fine for me with v0.5pre |
| 15:41:19 | RoMo | nikos when will you release the final 0.5 ? |
| 15:41:25 | nikos | RoMo: To use stowaway though you need to upgrade to latest 2.4.7. |
| 15:41:36 | nikos | RoMo: I won't release it ever. ;) It's all a7r. |
| 15:42:00 | RoMo | hm..what do you know about releasing 0.5 final ;) |
| 15:42:08 | nikos | RoMo: Not much |
| 15:42:44 | RoMo | next week? does it still make sense to upgrade to 0.5pre ? |
| 15:42:55 | RoMo | or do i have to upgrade to 0.5 maybe next week? |
| 15:43:19 | defect | RoMo: sorry, was eating my soup :) |
| 15:44:05 | defect | RoMo: I (think I) needed to doe think to get everything to work (upgrade bootldr and stuff) |
| 15:44:27 | RoMo | defect what do you use to scan? is there a netstumbler like program for linux? |
| 15:44:34 | RoMo | defect bootldr upgrading is tricky. |
| 15:45:26 | defect | RoMo: I just followed the install page and it worked out fine... took me some time to get everyting as I had it before, but a (rsync) backup helps a lot. |
| 15:45:41 | defect | RoMo: for scanning: airsnort |
| 15:46:03 | RoMo | defect do you have a stowaway keyboard or sth? |
| 15:46:38 | defect | RoMo: should work fine with prism2 cards. Goes into 'monitoring mode' soit can grep AP and WEP packets |
| 15:46:55 | defect | RoMo: no, no keyboard. Whats a sth? |
| 15:47:49 | RoMo | "something" |
| 15:48:45 | RoMo | nikos what do i need to upgrade the 0.5pre to the 2.4.7 to get my keyboard working? |
| 15:52:39 | | 2.4.7 is, like, 2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs in ftp://lorien.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/2.4.7; ftp://lorien.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/outgoing also useful. demo feed old now |
| 15:52:39 | nikos | ibot: 2.4.7 |
| 15:52:57 | nikos | RoMo: Add that feed to /etc/ipkg.conf 'ipkg update ; ipkg upgrade' |
| 15:53:13 | RoMo | i have no networking atm |
| 15:53:29 | RoMo | hm 0.5pre supports ne2000 pcmcia + dualsleeve out of the box? |
| 15:53:35 | RoMo | so i can configure it |
| 15:53:51 | nikos | RoMo: Yes, I believe that should be fine. |
| 15:54:26 | RoMo | great. i'll try it when i've washed my clothes :-) |
| 15:54:29 | nikos | RoMo: ssh is missing though, you will need to start out on serial console. |
| 16:00:28 | mirov | root |
| 16:00:38 | mirov | Oops, wrong window... |
| 16:01:52 | RoMo | why is ssh missing? that's stupid isn't it ? |
| 16:02:37 | defect | RoMo: ssh is no use without network. When you have network, ipkg install ssh... |
| 16:03:55 | RoMo | hm okay. i must go now. l8ers! |
| 16:04:24 | Disconnect | morning all |
| 16:14:05 | DaveH | Would anyone here be able to help me compiling a kernal for my desktop I keep getting rtc.o errors ? |
| 16:37:52 | Kero | DaveH: what kind of errors? |
| 16:39:27 | DaveH | Im trying to run mrproper and clean fiorst to see if that helps. ill paste the error here if i see it again .. Thanks |
| 16:44:21 | DaveH | is there any program similar to outlook for linux.. IE sheduling email contacts etc all in one and linked . |
| 16:49:28 | Disconnect | DaveH: evolution. |
| 16:49:58 | Disconnect | DaveH: although email and contacts link fine in netscape, mozilla, and any (very large) number of others. even mutt |
| 16:51:58 | DaveH | Its the calander functions Im looking for Out look has a nice trick that if I arrange a meeting and send it to someone they can drop the mail in there calender and it will send me an accept or reject notice depending on there availability .. Would be nice to implement that in linux some how .. Espesially if it can use mails sent from outlook |
| 17:06:37 | nikosipaq | Anybody know keys for changing windows with Ion? |
| 17:07:54 | DaveH | Grins evolution looks pretty cool but wioth a 300mb download I dont think it will fit on my ipaq ;-> |
| 17:09:22 | nikosipaq | DaveH: Microdrive or PCMCIA HD. |
| 17:11:04 | DaveH | nikosipaq: Nods ..will have to wait till after xmas .. to pricy atm |
| 17:12:30 | nikos | DaveH: You can get pretty good deals on 128MB CF now, I just got one, they can be found for about $60 or less. |
| 17:13:02 | DaveH | Id have to get a sleave as well |
| 17:14:02 | nikos | DaveH: True, but CF sleeve is pretty cheap too. Although the lack of extra battery power is problematic. |
| 17:16:01 | DaveH | Nods if I get this all working I intend to buy a dual PCMICA sleave after xmas.. Or look used on ebay then ill get a few flashcards. ANd a anotherwpc11 |
| 17:31:08 | nikos | Any bitchx users about? |
| 17:44:03 | DaveH | is there somewhere I can get a better description if ipk packages then the packages file at the top of the download directory ? |
| 17:45:55 | nikos | Easier to get to or more complete? |
| 17:46:42 | DaveH | more compleate |
| 17:47:43 | nikos | DaveH Well, some will install docs in /usr/share/doc, otherwise you will have to find a website or something. What ipkg? |
| 17:47:57 | DaveH | I would be happy to get to gether with people and set up a nice database like RPM find if not ... would take me a while oviosly but we can stor\e the package info and a description supplied by .... users ? |
| 17:48:43 | DaveH | im just reading through the packages file while i wait for the kernel to compile on my PC ... thought it would be nice to see what exactly is in there |
| 17:50:06 | nikos | DaveH I don't really understand what you are getting at. It would make more sense to me to have a URL in the ipkg control description. Or are you wanting search facilities? |
| 17:52:18 | DaveH | search so I / anyone can go to the ipk site and type a filename or description and get a list of ipks that contain it .. IE editors .. or emacs also a nice desc allowing people to choose .. fscribe and fstroke for example what is the diff between them how would I choose withch to install .. |
| 17:56:52 | BakAway | hi |
| 17:57:11 | DaveH | another example is hp3600 utils .. the desc says contains programs for operating the backlight etc. would be nice if we had a online db that could store manpages docs list of programs etc .. considering the space on most ipaqs posibly makes more sence to store that online then on the ipaq. could even have a package that takes you to the online store if you type something like man pm_helper |
| 17:58:51 | Bakka | i've juste got a problem while installing the familiar dist on a 3630 ... :/ |
| 17:58:52 | Disconnect | DaveH: sounds good so far. man pages, etc all online would be handy. first step is a web page w/ all that indexed somehow.. -then- an app to use it from ipaq ;) |
| 17:59:07 | Bakka | the ipaq crashed right after the "save params" |
| 17:59:12 | Bakka | anything i could do ? |
| 18:00:51 | DaveH | Well if I can get some diskspace on a server with mysql running we can create a simple table structure and dump the ipk details for each package into it .. Then we just need a man table a doc table and a long_desc table .. from that we can include links to other pages .. and set up our own version of man that calls the man tables .. etc etc |
| 18:01:20 | Disconnect | DaveH: um. why mysql? its all static info. |
| 18:01:26 | DaveH | Id enjo\y working on this .. acctully |
| 18:01:51 | nikos | Bakka What part of the install are you on and what install instructions are you using? |
| 18:02:08 | Bakka | i was using the instructions on handelds.com |
| 18:02:22 | Bakka | the problem happened just before i could upload the kernel |
| 18:02:37 | Bakka | when i sent "params save" |
| 18:02:45 | Bakka | the ipaq did shut down |
| 18:02:53 | nikos | Bakka You are using AC? |
| 18:03:07 | Bakka | yes it is plugged |
| 18:03:09 | nikos | Bakka Do you really mean handheds.com? |
| 18:03:18 | Bakka | woops .org |
| 18:03:28 | nikos | Bakka Did you type 'save params' or 'params save'? |
| 18:03:34 | Bakka | params save |
| 18:03:58 | Bakka | should i suicide ? |
| 18:04:05 | Bakka | i bought the ipaq yesterday ... |
| 18:04:16 | DaveH | As the packages change so would the descriptions and man pages would make more sence to be able to change that data dynamically .. most of the database can just contan links to pages elsewhere but we would need to be able to store version info etc... would also be good to get some language stuff in there |
| 18:04:32 | nikos | Bakka What parameters did you change? |
| 18:05:03 | Bakka | i followed every instruction until this |
| 18:05:12 | nikos | Bakka Double check your communciation parameters, 115200 8-N-1 NO FLOW CONTROL and exit and restart your terminal emulator. |
| 18:05:16 | Bakka | so this was right after the partitions were made |
| 18:05:31 | Bakka | nikos - the ipaq is down |
| 18:05:40 | nikos | Bakka How can you know that? |
| 18:05:47 | DaveH | also the serch features would be more effective in a database. cross packate serching online to fine files or elements from thee descriptin ... Whitch packages have email clients in them etc etc |
| 18:05:51 | nikos | Bakka All you know is that serial communication is down right? |
| 18:06:03 | Bakka | hmm |
| 18:06:03 | Bakka | right |
| 18:06:03 | Bakka | i'll try once more |
| 18:06:03 | Bakka | yep |
| 18:06:34 | Bakka | hmm |
| 18:06:41 | Bakka | no answer ont the terminal |
| 18:06:44 | Bakka | -t |
| 18:06:53 | nikos | Do you have the logs of what you did? |
| 18:07:02 | Bakka | no ... :/ |
| 18:07:27 | nikos | Bakka Is is possible you changed the baud rate to something other than 115200? |
| 18:07:31 | Bakka | i used minicom, and i restarted it after the crash |
| 18:07:39 | Bakka | i don't think so |
| 18:08:27 | nikos | Bakka Why do you use the word 'crash'? Did anything other than a cessation of activity occur? |
| 18:09:27 | Bakka | hmm on the term emulator, the boot prompt did'nt come back |
| 18:09:48 | Bakka | nothing happened after i sent the params save command |
| 18:10:00 | nikos | Bakka The almost certain reason for that is that you changed terminal parameters. |
| 18:10:37 | Bakka | err but you think this could have prevented the answer to come ? |
| 18:10:51 | nikos | Bakka I think so yes. |
| 18:11:06 | Bakka | ok .. |
| 18:11:09 | Bakka | i'll check |
| 18:11:13 | nikos | Bakka Alternativelly, be sure all you cables are in good shape, etc. |
| 18:11:20 | Bakka | is there a way to know if the ipaq is turned off ? |
| 18:11:31 | nikos | Bakka Is the LED on? |
| 18:11:35 | Bakka | yes |
| 18:11:40 | nikos | Bakka Then it is on. |
| 18:11:52 | Bakka | but it is on ac |
| 18:12:30 | nikos | Bakka You cannot turn off the ipaq unless you flip the hiddne switch. Then the LED would be off. Off is not a normal state for a handheld. |
| 18:12:47 | Bakka | okay |
| 18:13:23 | Bakka | i guess i should try to reboot my machine, in case the serial port is occupied |
| 18:13:26 | Bakka | brb |
| 18:13:32 | Bakka | anyway, thanks a lot |
| 18:17:27 | Bakka | re |
| 18:17:45 | Bakka | nikos - still nothing, i tried several parameters :/ |
| 18:18:31 | nikos | Bakka Well, I can't see that resetting the ipaq can make it any worse if you want to try that. |
| 18:18:55 | Bakka | hmm ? |
| 18:19:01 | Bakka | how should i do this ? |
| 18:19:07 | nikos | Bakka The inset reset button on the bottom. |
| 18:19:19 | nikos | Bakka Didn't you already do that once? |
| 18:19:31 | nikos | Bakka You have to reset after installing the bootloader. |
| 18:19:40 | Bakka | hmm |
| 18:19:48 | Bakka | could it be the step i skipped ? .... |
| 18:20:13 | nikos | Bakka I haven't got a clue, but I highly recommend paying close attention in the future. |
| 18:21:00 | Bakka | hmm will you hurt me if i say i see no red button ? |
| 18:21:22 | nikos | Who said 'red'? |
| 18:21:49 | Bakka | grr i should'nt have done this being so tired ... |
| 18:22:14 | nikos | Bakka This is not a process to try to do if you aren't at 100%. |
| 18:22:26 | Bakka | i see that now |
| 18:22:35 | Bakka | the reset button has no effect |
| 18:23:07 | nikos | Bakka What bootloader did you install? 2.14.15? |
| 18:23:25 | Bakka | yes |
| 18:23:58 | nikos | Bakka And you get nothing either on the LCD or on teh serial (hit space bar repeatedly while it boots up on the serial connection)? |
| 18:24:48 | Bakka | right |
| 18:25:40 | nikos | Bad timing, leave it for now and check back here in 17 hours or so. |
| 18:26:03 | nikos | Bakka Make that 19 hours or so. |
| 18:26:03 | Bakka | 17 hours ?? |
| 18:26:08 | Bakka | alright |
| 18:26:16 | nikos | Bakka 9 AM US time on Monday. |
| 18:26:16 | Bakka | what should i do then ? |
| 18:26:22 | Bakka | :) |
| 18:26:36 | nikos | Bakka I'll get you with someone who knows the internals of the bootloader. |
| 18:26:43 | Bakka | okay |
| 18:26:47 | Bakka | thamks a lot |
| 18:27:04 | Bakka | i'll be much more awake, i promise |
| 18:27:09 | nikos | OK ;) |
| 18:27:29 | BakAway | at least this is gonna force me to sleep |
| 18:27:59 | nikos | BakAway Still a bit early isn't it? ABout 7-8 pm for you isn't it? |
| 18:28:17 | BakAway | 9:30 pm yep |
| 18:28:25 | Kero | hm, baudrate typo? 115200 -> 11200 or something? |
| 18:28:31 | BakAway | but last night was ... short |
| 18:28:42 | BakAway | kero - now i've tried every baudrate possible |
| 18:28:52 | nikos | Kero That's the best I can come up with. But it's not clear to me that would take effect on 'params save' though. |
| 18:29:06 | Kero | right. |
| 18:30:28 | Kero | Or whether the iPAQ supports 11200 instead of ``rounding'' to 14400 or whatever the values are. |
| 18:30:54 | nikos | It wouldn't surprise me if it didn't argue with whatever value you put in. |
| 18:32:18 | Kero | or it may be in 230400, which your PC does not support... |
| 18:34:17 | nikos | It's hard to see how anything other than an odd number could occur accidentally. |
| 18:43:49 | nikos | test |
| 18:46:53 | DaveH | nikos: + Disconnect: if i wanted to set up a webserver with MySQL for this .. do you know where would be the cheepest place to do it ? |
| 18:48:15 | Disconnect | DaveH: cheapest way to do it is free, using static html thats generated when necessary instead of on every hit. and for that, chances are space can be found on handhelds.org |
| 18:48:17 | nikos | DaveH What I would tell you to do is to plan this, do enough development work so you can demo it. |
| 18:48:30 | nikos | DaveH If the community likes it, we will provide hosting. |
| 18:48:58 | Disconnect | DaveH: give one good reason for mysql (or postgres, etc).. |
| 18:49:33 | DaveH | Could be done statically ... Im a oracle developer so it was a case of go with what i know |
| 18:49:50 | Disconnect | suspects something like the debian doc-html-browser-thing will be perfect. it just takes the docs, does indexes (when updates are made) and provides a small cgi-bin for searching. |
| 18:50:06 | Disconnect | DaveH: erm. postgres is easier than mysql, from an oracle background (or at least, thats what I've found, coming from an oracle background ;) ..) |
| 18:50:10 | nikos | DaveH I'm with you especially if the ipaq list grows significantly, I'm a PostgreSQL developer. |
| 18:50:38 | nikos | Disconnect I don't care for MySQL, but it is at least already running on h0.handhelds.org, one vote in its favor. |
| 18:51:18 | Disconnect | DaveH: but either way, this is the web.. always gotta assume you are going to get stomped (maybe slashdot will link it ..) static pages can serve at wire speed. so all you lose in that case is the search. if its all generated (and remember, 99% of these pages will -never- change..) you lose the whole site. (or forget slashdot, what happens if <db of choice> craters?) |
| 18:51:36 | DaveH | I think something that scans through static files might be less of a load on the server though .. How would updates to the files be handled though .. Also how would the serch accross all files work .. IE What packages contain emacs type thing |
| 18:51:42 | nikos | Disconnect I think we are talking search features here. |
| 18:52:22 | Disconnect | is really touchy on this subject - its not personal. But I spent 2 years trying to maintain a package where -everything- was generated (badly, admittedly) on the fly. only one page ever changed more than once every 3-6 months (and it only changed every month or so).. |
| 18:52:27 | nikos | DaveH It might make more sense to setup static pages with a standardized html search engine. |
| 18:52:49 | Disconnect | nikos: the deb-help thing does search. when it creates flat html it also creates an index (libdb or some such) which the accompanying cgi can search. |
| 18:53:11 | DaveH | Nods .. How about dyunamic insrting of the pages .. IE the developers of a package should be able to do it ? |
| 18:53:37 | Disconnect | isn't suggesting that particular engine, although it might be a good starting point. Handles info, text, html, gzipped-[text/html], etc. It also requires too much debian-ish-stuff to be ideal.. |
| 18:53:53 | nikos | DaveH I would give a lot of thought to what is consists of. Note that the debian stuff don't consist of anything more than what is in the package description I don't believe. |
| 18:54:32 | Disconnect | nikos: as far as search from sql, its a small dataset.. couple of hundred packages at most right now. (maybe a few more if you include all the kernels and their module packages from 0.4 and 0.5pre) |
| 18:54:46 | nikos | DaveH You might find it more useful to call for better package descriptions. Developer WILL NOT maintain multiple info sources. You can just forget that. |
| 18:55:03 | Disconnect | DaveH: thats a good thought. possibly tie it into the (eventual) package management system for familiar. (although the way that project is going, it'll prolly be that that project ties into this one ;) ..) |
| 18:55:13 | nikos | Disconnect I think we need to think ahead, not what we have now. Using ht//dig or something may make the most sense. |
| 18:55:45 | DaveH | Well i did not know there was one going on its that question i was asking in the first place ;-> |
| 18:55:50 | Disconnect | nikos: htdig is an option (I've never been able to find anything with it, but that is prolly a config issue most cases) |
| 18:56:15 | nikos | Disconnect Just an example. I don't know anything about it specifically. |
| 18:56:16 | Disconnect | Tangent: to sum up. DaveH had a good idea - store package descriptions and docs online, with (eventually) an ipkg to use them as if they were local. |
| 18:56:37 | Tangent | Nod.. sounds like a good idea |
| 18:56:57 | Disconnect | Tangent: you missed a big dynamic-everything-vs-all-static-pages arguement. ;) (I think we've settled on mostly static, dynamic searches which may or may not include a DB backend) |
| 18:57:08 | DaveH | also linking it to a man command so the man pages can be stored on line and a online ipaq can call then at request |
| 18:57:52 | DaveH | Thats prolly the best idea index the pages into a hash table in a db and search via that |
| 18:57:54 | Disconnect | DaveH: yah. first step is the online repository tho. shouldn't be too hard to generate (to begin with) .. just dl all the ipkgs from the various feeds, pull data.tar.gz and grab anything under /usr/doc and /usr/share/doc .. |
| 18:58:15 | DaveH | nods .. |
| 18:58:38 | Disconnect | then you get something like docs.familiar.handhelds.org/joesmonitor/ .. index.html (if not present) is a list of files and the package-list descriptions. |
| 18:59:03 | Disconnect | dislikes docs.familiar.handhelds.org but it can be done however works best ;) |
| 18:59:14 | DaveH | would need to think about the structure .. IE how we store the static pages on the site for easy retrieval .. Ill have to look into some of the code available .. can prolly build a demo on this machine |
| 18:59:26 | Disconnect | ..so I guess you need both control and data. no biggie there, since you get it all as one file anyway (ipk) |
| 19:00:28 | Disconnect | DaveH: my thought is open the package, build the dirtree (if needed) and the index file.. then under /joesmonitor/docs you get everything from usr/[share/]doc/joesmonitor .. and maybe add a field or other pointer in the ipk format for other files to include, and links to include (homepage, etc) |
| 19:01:13 | Disconnect | DaveH: that way, everything you need is there, but the ipk doesn't have to include 30M of docs - it can reference them as an include and the docs system can go get them. (and the home page field would be a great idea either way..) |
| 19:02:11 | Disconnect | I suspect ipkg will ignore unknown fields right now, so getting the fields added is easy enough. there are some issues with the include side, but wget -np -m would do it (IIRC wget has a max-size limit arg, so that solves most of the exploitation issues.) |
| 19:02:19 | DaveH | Sounds about right |
| 19:03:08 | DaveH | docs.familiar.handhelds.org dose that exist atm ? can get it ? |
| 19:03:10 | Disconnect | so each package looks like package/index.html (generated) .. package/index.db (unless we use a unified search db) .. package/docs (part of ipkg) and package/include (wgotten docs) |
| 19:03:18 | DaveH | or is that where you wanna create this ? |
| 19:03:31 | Disconnect | DaveH: doesn't exist, but its kinda long to be typing in w/ xstroke ;) .. although it could get stuck in the hosts file easily enough. |
| 19:03:40 | Disconnect | so http://docs/ is the master doc index. |
| 19:04:27 | DaveH | is ipkg.org in use anywhere .. doman name wisee ? IE docs.ipkg.org |
| 19:05:16 | Disconnect | also (once the main site, doc maint scripts and doc-retrieval scripts are done) a quick script to grab everything from doc.familiar.org for packages you installed would be easy (so you can stick them on microdrive/etc when away from net) .. and a single-package-to-flash option. |
| 19:05:40 | Disconnect | hrms. sounds like we need an index.info as well - docs size, include size, doc+include size, home page, etc. for the scripts to parse. |
| 19:06:02 | Disconnect | "Warning: This package has 30M in docs. Do you still want to install mypackage docs to /mnt/docs/mypackage?" ;) |
| 19:06:53 | DaveH | would we .. or can we store that on line to .. all we need is a docs url the ipkg script or man script passes the ipk name to the url and gets the size infor etc back .. ? |
| 19:07:02 | Disconnect | then the only docs that need to live on the ipaq by default are copyright info (maybe do w/o it, dunno copyright law.. we're in a grey area now, putting them on the ramdisk) |
| 19:07:32 | DaveH | I think leagally we need copyright .. but poss only in src packages ? |
| 19:07:54 | Disconnect | DaveH: so each package becomes mypackage.ipkg and mypackage-docs.ipkg? its a thought. hrm. the mypackage-docs would have to stay out of feeds package list, but thats easy enough since we're handling it w/ an external script. |
| 19:08:10 | DaveH | ipkg.org is available ... but docs.familiar.org is prolly better |
| 19:08:39 | DaveH | nods |
| 19:08:40 | Disconnect | well.. right now we're putting the copyright and docs on ramdisk. where I see it getting weird is that we aren't warning the user that it'll go away on reboot. (a different but related issue) .. |
| 19:09:10 | DaveH | Are we talking all GPL packages ? |
| 19:09:32 | nikos | Disconnect huh? It's in /usr/share/doc which is flash. |
| 19:09:36 | Disconnect | no.. familiar includes some non-gpl stuff (and some unlicensed stuff like ipaqstat - bad me..) |
| 19:10:07 | Disconnect | nikos: hrm. on my fam /usr/share/ is /mnt/ramfs/share .. I don't think I did that myself, but maybe I did. |
| 19:11:08 | DaveH | the GPL stuff .. as I read the licence just needs the copyright notic to be included if every GPL package tries to write the copyright to the same location .. Assuming theey all have the same copyright notic .. we only have one on the ipaq. |
| 19:11:15 | nikos | Disconnect I think you did, it's certainly not that way in v0.5, and I don't believe it was in v0.4 either. |
| 19:11:29 | Disconnect | DaveH: well, first step is a proggy to grab package lists, parse them into /html_root/feed/{feedname}/package/index.html and package/doc .. parallel to that is the 2 new fields (homepage and doc-include) second step is searching.. |
| 19:11:49 | Disconnect | nikos: it wasn't that way in 0.4 .. musta been me then. prolly during the big where-to-put-docs debate ;) |
| 19:12:40 | defect | small question: ntpdate <ntp server> gives: Can't adjust the time of day: Invalid argument anyone seen this and has an answer? |
| 19:12:44 | Disconnect | DaveH: once thats together, hosting is no biggie. then its time to demo it, slap together some basic script to open dillo to [hosted]/feed/{feedname}/package/index.html .. then life gets interesting. ;) |
| 19:13:27 | DaveH | have you logged this chat ? |
| 19:15:22 | Disconnect | will bbl - gotta pack for this trip tomorrow. |
| 19:17:20 | DaveH | Nikos : Disconnect: Ill look into doing this stuff over this next week and weekend .. work out whats involved etc .. |
| 19:19:44 | nikosAWAY | DaveH I think giving it a lot of thought is a good idea. I would lean away from expecting too much cooperation from developers, at least early on. It's tough enough to get them to package in the first place with a reasonable control file. |
| 19:25:01 | DaveH | I wasent expecting to much most of the stuff we need allready exists most of the programs have man pages of some form .. the ipkg itself will have a file list. there are online man pages for most packages all we need to do is write a prog that dumps the filelist etc then pulls what man pages it can from online repositories. or even links to them ... would rather store them ourselves if we can though .. then all we need is a few nice descs ... |
| 19:25:01 | DaveH | thats easy users will help with that .. at 240 packages I can do most of them myself given time |
| 19:26:42 | DaveH | not every package would have all the features ... but we can get a good proportion of them with very little work ... Getting people to help check the validity would be cool ... but i think we can convice some users to send up error lists on the documentation |
| 19:27:04 | RoMo | ree |
| 19:32:07 | RoMo | how can i see the version of my bootldr? |
| 19:32:16 | defect | boot> ver |
| 19:32:21 | RoMo | thx |
| 19:32:36 | RoMo | Compaq OHH BootLoader, Rev 2-14-8 [BIG_KERNEL] [MONO] |
| 19:32:42 | RoMo | is not enough for familiar 0.5pre ? |
| 19:33:03 | DaveH | nikosAWAY: On the whole I think its worth having a go at this ... but wanna get my ipaq linux working first ;-> |
| 19:33:21 | defect | 2-15-15 is needed (i think), see the install page |
| 19:34:17 | RoMo | ok |
| 19:37:00 | RoMo | fuck |
| 19:37:10 | RoMo | after set linuxargs "noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock/2 init=/linuxrc console=ttySA0" the ipaq is dead |
| 19:37:57 | Kero | ehm? |
| 19:38:08 | RoMo | screen turns into black |
| 19:38:13 | RoMo | i had to reset the ipaq |
| 19:38:15 | RoMo | strange |
| 19:38:21 | Kero | resetting worked? |
| 19:38:32 | RoMo | boot> partition reset |
| 19:38:32 | RoMo | argv[1]=partition |
| 19:38:32 | RoMo | defining partiton: bootldr |
| 19:38:32 | RoMo | defining partiton: params |
| 19:38:32 | RoMo | defining partiton: kernel |
| 19:38:32 | RoMo | boot> set linuxargs "noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock/2 init=/linuxrc console=ttySA0" |
| 19:38:34 | RoMo | DABT |
| 19:38:36 | RoMo | 0000C3EC |
| 19:38:38 | RoMo | 5AFFFFF8 |
| 19:38:44 | RoMo | [black screen] |
| 19:38:47 | RoMo | yes. |
| 19:39:10 | RoMo | boot> ver |
| 19:39:10 | RoMo | Compaq OHH BootLoader, Rev 2-15-15 [BIG_KERNEL] [MONO] |
| 19:39:10 | RoMo | Last link date: Tue Sep 25 18:30:44 EDT 2001 |
| 19:39:10 | RoMo | Contact: bootldr@handhelds.org |
| 19:39:10 | RoMo | boot> set linuxargs "noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock/2 init=/linuxrc console=ttySA0" |
| 19:39:10 | RoMo | setting param <linuxargs> to value <noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock/2 init=/linuxr |
| 19:39:12 | RoMo | c console=ttySA0> |
| 19:39:15 | RoMo | boot> |
| 19:39:19 | RoMo | works now. |
| 19:39:28 | DaveH | ls |
| 19:39:32 | DaveH | oops |
| 19:42:08 | DaveH | Ok folks gotta shutdown the PC bbl Thanks for your help and input |
| 19:42:57 | Kero | ok, probably unrelated to the problem Bakka has |
| 19:52:27 | Kero | What is worse, is that bootloaders seem to get unstable. |
| 19:52:34 | Kero | that would be verrrry bad :( |
| 20:38:41 | RoMo | re |
| 20:38:42 | RoMo | hm |
| 20:38:52 | RoMo | i have no SSH on familiar 0.5pre ? but i did ipkg install_pending |
| 20:39:11 | a7r | RoMo: it isn't part of that bootstrap image. |
| 20:39:23 | RoMo | a7r so the doc is wrong |
| 20:39:29 | RoMo | Run ipkg install_pending which will take care of installing |
| 20:39:30 | RoMo | any packages that may be pending (e.g. ssh). |
| 20:39:39 | a7r | Not the ``may''. |
| 20:39:40 | a7r | er Note |
| 20:39:52 | RoMo | heh |
| 20:39:53 | RoMo | ok |
| 20:40:01 | RoMo | a7r when will you release 0.5 ? |
| 20:40:07 | RoMo | the final offical release... |
| 20:43:00 | Disconnect | a7r: is the new ipaqstat in yet? (or perhaps the question should be, what is your preferred method of handling updates..?) |
| 20:43:42 | a7r | next week or so.. there's a new bootloader coming out that's going to be part of it, and it needs abunch of testing. |
| 20:44:25 | RoMo | ok |
| 20:44:37 | RoMo | hm is there a faq page about installing SSH ? |
| 20:44:54 | RoMo | there is still the "how do i create the host key" issue |
| 20:48:16 | | hmmm... sshkeys is ssh-keygen -b 512 -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key -N ''; ssh-keygen -d -b 512 -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key -N '' |
| 20:48:16 | nikos | ibot sshkeys |
| 20:48:27 | RoMo | thx |
| 20:51:50 | RoMo | and what do i need to add the 2.4.7 feed ? |
| 20:52:10 | nikos | RoMo edit /etc/ipkg.conf, it has directions in the file. |
| 20:52:17 | RoMo | src familiar-unstable ftp://lorien.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/2.4.7 |
| 20:52:23 | RoMo | or whats the src name? |
| 20:52:48 | nikos | RoMo It's just a label, use whatever you want. |
| 20:52:53 | RoMo | ok |
| 20:53:03 | nikos | RoMo Don't remove the unstable source. |
| 20:53:11 | nikos | RoMo Just add a new one above it. |
| 20:53:17 | RoMo | ok thank you |
| 20:56:05 | RoMo | ipgk rocks :) |
| 20:58:48 | gazer | anyone awake? familiar 0.5 isn't booting for me anymore. |
| 20:59:21 | Kero | You can still get to the bootprompt? |
| 21:00:16 | gazer | (ugh, my router is flaking out, this should stay up) |
| 21:00:25 | Kero | You can still get to the bootprompt? |
| 21:00:45 | gazer | Yeah, I can get to the boot prompt. It starts to boot and freezes at |
| 21:00:46 | gazer | Setting the System Clock using the Hardware Clock as reference... |
| 21:01:18 | a7r | gazer: re.. |
| 21:01:46 | Kero | try the trick with init: in linuxargs, set init=/bin/sh (plus all other things you have) |
| 21:01:48 | gazer | I could reflash. However, this is a pretty recent flash (Thursday, I think). I ran out of power last night. |
| 21:01:53 | gazer | a7r: re. |
| 21:02:39 | RoMo | hm which modules do i need for prism2 wlan cards? <sorry for asking again> |
| 21:03:00 | Kero | in the shell, look around what may be wrong, or simply take out the line that tries to read the sysclock from /linuxrc (?) |
| 21:03:20 | Kero | gazer: good luck |
| 21:03:24 | Kero | is off to bed |
| 21:04:09 | gazer | Kero: thanks. |
| 21:06:07 | RoMo | hm :-( |
| 21:06:26 | gazer | okay, using /bin/sh as the init got to a prompt. Investigating some more. |
| 21:08:18 | nikos | RoMo wlan-ng |
| 21:08:23 | | sjohnson feed is http://handhelds.org/~sjohnson/feed/ |
| 21:08:23 | nikos | ibot sjohnson feed |
| 21:08:26 | nikos | RoMo Look there |
| 21:08:43 | nikos | Night Kero |
| 21:09:23 | RoMo | ok |
| 21:11:42 | gazer | okay, here's a dumb question. If I accidentically type `cat`, how do I get out of it? The usual ways aren't working. This is in minicom |
| 21:11:49 | RoMo | nikos: i've added the feed to the ipkg.conf and i did an ipkg update. but i'm not able to run ipkg install wlan-ng :-( |
| 21:12:20 | RoMo | gazer try "q" or ":q" |
| 21:13:23 | RoMo | nikos ipkg update also successfully recieves the packages list from sjohnson's feed |
| 21:13:57 | nikos | RoMo Certainly, that's the point. |
| 21:14:19 | nikos | RoMo That's because that's not the entire name. |
| 21:14:23 | RoMo | ipkg install wlan-ng-2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs |
| 21:14:26 | RoMo | seems to work |
| 21:14:31 | nikos | RoMo ikpg list | grep wlan-ng |
| 21:14:38 | nikos | RoMo Yes, that sounds right. |
| 21:14:57 | RoMo | hm |
| 21:15:03 | RoMo | ipkg_install_file: ERROR: File //tmp/ipkg/wlan-ng-2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs_0.1.10-hh0_arm.ipk not found |
| 21:15:03 | RoMo | ipkg_get_install: ERROR: Failed to install //tmp/ipkg/wlan-ng-2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs_0.1.10-hh0_arm.ipk |
| 21:15:03 | RoMo | ipkg_get_install: I'll leave it there for you to try a manual installation |
| 21:15:25 | RoMo | hm |
| 21:15:34 | nikos | RoMo I'm not sure what's up there. I had the same problem. |
| 21:15:47 | nikos | RoMo I basically manually downloaed it with wget and installed locally. |
| 21:17:35 | gazer | hmm. /dev/misc/rtc looks hosed. |
| 21:18:01 | RoMo | nikos hm ok |
| 21:18:09 | RoMo | nikos after the installation i get |
| 21:18:09 | RoMo | Restarting pcmcia |
| 21:18:10 | RoMo | Shutting down PCMCIA services: cardmgr modulesds: Device or resource busy |
| 21:18:10 | RoMo | sa1100_cs: Device or resource busy |
| 21:18:10 | RoMo | pcmcia_core: Device or resource busy |
| 21:18:16 | RoMo | and the led on the wlan card blinks |
| 21:18:32 | gazer | trying again ... |
| 21:20:14 | gazer | catting /dev/misc/rtc seems to freeze up the ipaq. Ick. |
| 21:20:26 | RoMo | hm and when i try to take the wlan interface down my eth0 also dies. and i cannot take it up |
| 21:20:28 | RoMo | :-( |
| 21:21:33 | RoMo | cardmgr[81]: could not adjust resource: IO ports 0xc00-0xcff: Invalid argument |
| 21:21:44 | RoMo | cardmgr[81]: could not adjust resource: IO ports 0xc00-0xcff: Invalid argument |
| 21:21:51 | RoMo | cardmgr[81]: config error, file './wlan-ng.conf' line 73: syntax error |
| 21:21:58 | RoMo | strange. i've changed nothing |
| 21:24:31 | nikos | RoMo Yeah, there is really an error there, an extra comma, fix it manually. |
| 21:27:54 | RoMo | hm |
| 21:28:07 | RoMo | vi shows now line numbers |
| 21:30:33 | nikos | Go to the top of the file, type 73 and hit the down arrow. |
| 21:30:52 | RoMo | aahh |
| 21:30:53 | RoMo | ok |
| 21:31:06 | RoMo | thx |
| 21:31:09 | nikos | there's probably a better way, but I'm no via guru |
| 21:31:18 | nikos | s/via/vi/ |
| 21:31:22 | RoMo | hm. i need to know more about pcmcia on linux |
| 21:31:41 | RoMo | i've removed the , so what do i need to do know? |
| 21:33:14 | nikos | RoMo restart cardmgr |
| 21:35:54 | RoMo | # ./S10pcmcia restart |
| 21:35:54 | RoMo | Shutting down PCMCIA services: cardmgr modulesds: Device or resource busy |
| 21:35:55 | RoMo | sa1100_cs: Device or resource busy |
| 21:35:55 | RoMo | pcmcia_core: Device or resource busy |
| 21:35:55 | RoMo | . |
| 21:35:55 | RoMo | Starting PCMCIA services: cardmgr. |
| 21:36:02 | RoMo | hm |
| 21:38:02 | RoMo | hm |
| 21:38:04 | RoMo | weired |
| 21:39:12 | RoMo | when i bring wlan0 up cardmgr fails and eth0 (!) goes away |
| 21:42:24 | RoMo | Prism2 card SN: 99SA01000000 |
| 21:42:24 | RoMo | cardmgr[286]: executing: './wlan-ng start wlan0' |
| 21:42:24 | RoMo | p80211knetdev_hard_start_xmit: Tx attempt prior to association, frame dropped. |
| 21:42:26 | RoMo | p80211knetdev_hard_start_xmit: Tx attempt prior to association, frame dropped. |
| 21:42:33 | DaveH | hi folks |
| 21:42:35 | RoMo | this is the output when i insert the card |
| 21:42:45 | RoMo | the last error repeats several times |
| 21:44:27 | defect | RoMo: edit /etc/pcmcia/wlan-ng.opts |
| 21:44:50 | defect | RoMo: set the (i think) essid |
| 21:45:09 | RoMo | hm |
| 21:45:12 | RoMo | i have no essid ;) |
| 21:45:19 | RoMo | i want to use it for some scanning ;) |
| 21:45:27 | defect | aha... ok... |
| 21:45:51 | defect | in that case, did you apply the airsnort patches and ran airsnort? |
| 21:46:05 | RoMo | defect: no |
| 21:46:34 | defect | it gives the error because it wants to send out packets, but it hasn't joined an AP yet... |
| 21:46:38 | RoMo | defect do i need to compile my own kernel? |
| 21:46:53 | defect | no, don't think so... |
| 21:46:56 | RoMo | great. |
| 21:47:14 | defect | the airsnort readme will tell you what you need.. |
| 21:47:19 | RoMo | :) |
| 21:47:25 | defect | (I haven't read it yet) |
| 21:47:28 | RoMo | heheh |
| 21:53:15 | RoMo | what do i need to use my stowaway keyboard? |
| 21:53:52 | defect | http://handhelds.org/~sjohnson/feed/stowaway-modules-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-devfs_1_arm.ipk |
| 21:54:00 | RoMo | ah ok |
| 21:54:01 | defect | (i think, don't have one)_ |
| 21:54:05 | RoMo | oh |
| 21:54:07 | RoMo | wrong kernel |
| 21:54:24 | defect | ah, damn, sorry. |
| 21:54:55 | defect | (a find on the skiffcluster might help...) |
| 21:55:14 | RoMo | # ipkg install stowaway-modules-2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs_hh10_arm.ipk |
| 21:55:15 | RoMo | Unpacking stowaway-modules-2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs...Done. |
| 21:55:15 | RoMo | Configuring stowaway-modules-2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs...depmod: *** Unresolved symbo |
| 21:55:15 | RoMo | ls in /lib/modules/2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs/kernel/drivers/char/h3600_stowaway.o |
| 21:55:16 | RoMo | vers/char/h3600_stowaway.o: not found |
| 21:55:30 | RoMo | argl. |
| 21:59:32 | RoMo | i've installed the kernel modules but: |
| 21:59:43 | RoMo | Configuring stowaway-modules-2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs...//usr/lib/ipkg/info/stowaway |
| 21:59:43 | RoMo | -modules-2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs.postinst: ./kernel/drivers/char/h3600_stowaway.o: |
| 21:59:44 | RoMo | not found |
| 22:00:23 | defect | you can check the pkg by hand (untar and untar the data dir) |
| 22:00:44 | RoMo | i'm not that geek |
| 22:01:06 | defect | just download the .ipg in /tmp |
| 22:01:16 | defect | tar -zxvf file.ipg |
| 22:01:23 | defect | tar -zxvfd data.tgz |
| 22:01:35 | defect | and see where it ends up... |
| 22:07:02 | RoMo | there is one .o file |
| 22:07:21 | defect | can you insmod ./file.o ? |
| 22:07:40 | RoMo | # insmod ./h3600_stowaway.o |
| 22:07:41 | RoMo | ./h3600_stowaway.o: unresolved symbol clr_h3600_egpio |
| 22:07:41 | RoMo | ./h3600_stowaway.o: unresolved symbol set_h3600_egpio |
| 22:08:10 | defect | hmm... modprobe ./h3600_stowaway.o ? |
| 22:08:45 | RoMo | ## modprobe ./h3600_stowaway.o |
| 22:08:46 | RoMo | modprobe: Can't locate module ./h3600_stowaway.o |
| 22:08:56 | RoMo | hm, |
| 22:09:14 | defect | hmm... i'm not sure what it depends on... |
| 22:09:24 | defect | it needs another module... |
| 22:10:03 | defect | at least try copying the module to ./kernel/drivers/char/h3600_stowaway.o |
| 22:10:16 | defect | and run depmod -a |
| 22:10:30 | defect | then try modprobe h3600_stowaway |
| 22:11:00 | RoMo | o dont |
| 22:11:06 | RoMo | i dont have a /kernel |
| 22:11:09 | RoMo | strange |
| 22:11:26 | defect | yes, /lib/modules/kernel-bla/kernel |
| 22:11:37 | defect | that's where your modules are... |
| 22:13:07 | RoMo | there is already the file |
| 22:14:13 | defect | hmm... and depmod -a? |
| 22:18:22 | RoMo | # depmod -a h3600_stowaway.o |
| 22:18:23 | RoMo | depmod: Can't open /lib/modules/h3600_stowaway.o/modules.dep for writing |
| 22:20:09 | Disconnect | no stowaway. just depmod -a |
| 22:20:54 | Disconnect | then you should be able to modprobe h3600_stowaway |
| 22:21:50 | RoMo | # depmod -a |
| 22:21:50 | RoMo | # modprobe h3600_stowaway |
| 22:21:50 | RoMo | # |
| 22:21:51 | RoMo | ok |
| 22:21:56 | RoMo | but i cannot find a stowd file |
| 22:22:07 | defect | lsmod? |
| 22:22:22 | RoMo | # lsmod |
| 22:22:22 | RoMo | Module Size Used by |
| 22:22:22 | RoMo | h3600_stowaway 3120 0 (unused) |
| 22:22:23 | RoMo | .. |
| 22:22:23 | Disconnect | dunno stowaway. try "cat > /dev/stowaway" or some variant.. but thats all I know, from the lists. |
| 22:22:25 | defect | do you have dmesg? |
| 22:22:34 | RoMo | no |
| 22:22:37 | Disconnect | defect: prolly not, but cat /proc/kmsg odes the same thing |
| 22:22:49 | RoMo | # cat > /dev/stowaway |
| 22:22:49 | RoMo | cannot create /dev/stowaway: permission denied |
| 22:22:55 | defect | Disconnect: ok :) |
| 22:23:13 | Disconnect | .....or some variant. there is a /dev/{something that looks like a stowaway device} |
| 22:23:22 | RoMo | there is now stowaway in /dev |
| 22:23:51 | RoMo | hm |
| 22:24:03 | RoMo | nothing which make sense |
| 22:24:08 | defect | what does "cat /proc/kmsg |
| 22:24:12 | defect | " tell you? |
| 22:26:00 | RoMo | cat /proc/kmsg |
| 22:26:05 | RoMo | <4>eth0: Too much work at interrupt, status 0x22 |
| 22:26:05 | RoMo | <4>eth0: Too much work at interrupt, status 0x22 |
| 22:26:13 | RoMo | 100times |
| 22:27:28 | defect | hmm... take eth0 out, rmmod stowaway and modprobe again, then cat /proc/kmsg again... I think it should tell you something... |
| 22:28:46 | RoMo | hm |
| 22:28:48 | RoMo | nothing |
| 22:29:20 | defect | hmm... stupid keyboard! |
| 22:29:22 | defect | :) |
| 22:30:48 | RoMo | :-( |
| 22:30:52 | RoMo | no info on wiki, too |
| 22:32:53 | defect | I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't help you.... |
| 22:33:04 | RoMo | a7r ? |
| 22:33:37 | defect | what? (meant 2001 HAL) |
| 22:33:59 | RoMo | hm |
| 22:34:30 | defect | I think I can't really help... I don't have one and my knowledge is limited... |
| 22:38:40 | RoMo | do you have a stowd ? |
| 22:39:18 | RoMo | i couldnt find the file |
| 22:41:33 | mirov | RoMo: did you get your 802.11b going? |
| 22:41:34 | defect | stowd? stow daemon? |
| 22:41:56 | RoMo | mirov i can't test it caus i have only one card atm here. |
| 22:42:05 | RoMo | defect yes the binary file |
| 22:42:23 | defect | RoMo: wasn't it in the package? |
| 22:43:07 | RoMo | no |
| 22:43:13 | RoMo | only this .o file in /lib |
| 22:44:34 | defect | check http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/stowaway-h3600_1.0_arm.ipk |
| 22:44:53 | defect | wouldn't know where else to find it.. |
| 22:45:33 | DocSnyder | is away: Time for some smoke :-Q |
| 22:46:20 | RoMo | ah okay |
| 22:46:48 | mirov | Hi Folks. I got my 802.11b with wlan-ng installed and mostly up. I can ping/xhost/ftp from the ipaq, but I can't ping from my host system. I can't ping the ipaq by either the name or IP. This used to work with the older wlan-ng package. Ring any bells with anyone ? |
| 22:47:47 | defect | mirov: not really, just got my 802.11b to work (prism2) and there was no such problem (5pre) |
| 22:48:52 | DocSnyder | is back (gone 00:03:18) |
| 22:53:09 | mirov | defect: I decided for a minimal install. I put in task-x, ftp, and not much else. Can't rlogin either... |
| 22:53:39 | RoMo | argl |
| 22:54:02 | RoMo | after a few connections my cardmgr reports "operation failed" and kills my eth0 |
| 22:54:03 | RoMo | hm |
| 22:54:40 | Disconnect | RoMo: edit /etc/pcmcia/network.opts and configure it for your LAN. (probably turn off dhcp and pump) |
| 22:55:04 | RoMo | thx |
| 22:55:08 | defect | RoMo: I'm off to bed (it's 1:56 here and I have get up early) - check if you have a prism2 chipset, that would require wlan-ng... |
| 22:55:29 | defect | (sounds like the problem I had when I tried wvlan_cs) |
| 22:55:39 | RoMo | the problem was the ne2000 card not wlan |
| 22:55:58 | defect | aha.. ok.. (i'm getting tired :) ) |
| 22:56:05 | RoMo | n8 |
| 23:17:04 | RoMo | n8 all |
| 23:23:05 | DaveH | Woohay at last i have a valid network connection to the ipaq... now .. getting the ipkgs into it ;-> |
| 23:36:58 | DaveH | Whats the easyist way to restart an install of familiar ? |
| 23:37:07 | DaveH | please |
| 23:43:30 | DaveH | can anyone help me instaling familiar.. I seem to have messed up ipkg and im not suire how to get this all restarted ? |
| 23:46:55 | Disconnect | just a thought, but posting a description of what you think is broken might help. |
| 23:49:37 | DaveH | well I started installing the packages via zmodem over serial .. once I installed the pkg conf nothing worked with ipkg .. Now Im not sure what happens I have networking running but when I type commands like ipkg install ntpdate I get a directory structor where ever the CWD is but nothing in it program wise ? no ntpdfate program etc . |
| 23:50:07 | Disconnect | right. you installed the 0.4 package conf on 0.5. |
| 23:50:33 | Disconnect | gonna have to manually download the ipk for ipkg and do 'ipkg install ./ipkg_whatever.ipk' |
| 23:50:42 | DaveH | Oh .. ok is there any easy way of restarting ? |
| 23:51:25 | DaveH | OK |
| 23:51:54 | DaveH | where abouts is the v0.5 dist |
| 23:52:06 | | well, v0.5 is in the planning stages.. I'm planning on forking from v0.4 sometime this weekend. |
| 23:52:06 | DaveH | ibot: v0.5 |
| 23:52:20 | Disconnect | glares at ibot. |
| 23:52:28 | Disconnect | DaveH: you can restart, but it means reflashing. |
| 23:52:34 | Disconnect | easier to just dl ipkg from feeds. |
| 23:52:35 | | somebody said feeds was listed at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds |
| 23:52:35 | Disconnect | ibot: feeds |
| 23:53:48 | DaveH | is stable v0.5 and unstable v0.5 ? |
| 23:54:02 | Disconnect | um. what?? |
| 23:54:29 | DaveH | there are 2 directories on the feeds page stable and unstable |
| 23:54:46 | Disconnect | yep. |
| 23:55:14 | Disconnect | waits for something that resembles a question. ;) |
| 23:55:18 | DaveH | Do they relate to versions or packages within the latest version .. IE v0.5 |
| 23:55:40 | Disconnect | the latest version is 0.4. 0.5 is the alpha version. |
| 23:56:23 | DaveH | yes .. but where do I find v0.5 packages as i flashed wioth the v0.5 kernal ? |
| 23:57:08 | Disconnect | unstable |
| 23:58:05 | DaveH | Thanks |
| 23:58:16 | Disconnect | np |