| 00:15:40 | DaveH | Disconnect: when I do ipkg install ./ipkg_0.9_arm.ipk |
| 00:15:40 | DaveH | ipkg_install_file: ERROR: File not found is returned .. and ideas ? |
| 00:29:16 | DaveH | Ok im reflashing ;-< |
| 01:10:29 | DaveH | hi there |
| 01:10:56 | sjohnson | Dahi |
| 01:12:08 | | i heard ssh keys was ssh-keygen -b 512 -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key -N ''; ssh-keygen -d -b 512 -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key -N '' |
| 01:12:08 | DaveH | ibot ssh keys |
| 01:16:56 | mirov | Still having trouble with wlan-ng. With my ethernet card plugged in everything is fine. With the 802.11b card plugged in I can ping my desktop from the ipaq, I can xhost to it and ftp. The host however can't get to the ipaq either by name or IP. In V0.4 this all worked fine... |
| 01:26:09 | DaveH | When I install and run ntpdate it gives me a date 4hours in advance .. IE GMT-1 is this as expected at teh begining or can I update my local some how ? |
| 01:38:25 | sjohnson | DaveH: You need an /etc/localtime file for your desired Timezone. |
| 01:39:12 | DaveH | Nods thanks .. I found that on the site.. Im now installing ftp so I can steal it from my linux desktop |
| 01:40:26 | sjohnson | DaveH: You can use wget or ssh (if configured) to fetch it. |
| 01:44:19 | DaveH | Hmmmm how do I tell wget the location ? |
| 01:45:31 | sjohnson | wget ftp://1.2.3.4/path/to/file. Assuming anonymous access. |
| 01:45:46 | sjohnson | wget http://1.2.3.4/path/to/file as well. |
| 01:45:57 | sjohnson | 1.2.3.4 can also be host name. |
| 01:46:27 | DaveH | cool thanks that wiorked |
| 02:33:10 | blakangel | hi |
| 02:33:16 | blakangel | just booted familiar for first time |
| 02:33:18 | blakangel | ;) |
| 02:33:53 | DaveH | blakangle : cool same here |
| 02:34:01 | blakangel | congrats |
| 02:44:01 | blakangel | anyone know if Cardbus PCcards work |
| 02:55:41 | DragonEagle | is away: just away |
| 03:16:21 | sgodsell | is away: I have got to go! |
| 04:14:03 | mirov | Blakangle: Hi there. I don't think cardbus works on an Ipaq. |
| 04:37:14 | nicknak | Hi everyone. |
| 04:37:48 | nicknak | Familiar is the palmtop distro, right? |
| 04:46:04 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 01:50:22) |
| 05:11:15 | dneuer | hi hi hi |
| 05:11:29 | | france was last seen on #handhelds.org 11 hours, 44 minutes and 9 seconds ago, saying: it is time for me to go. bye [Sun Oct 21 18:27:20 2001] |
| 05:11:29 | dneuer | ibot: seen france? |
| 05:13:21 | dneuer | someone give me some love |
| 05:13:45 | mirov | Anyone know why in v0.5 rxvt seems to default to a tiny 4 pixel high font that really can't be read ? |
| 05:41:00 | dneuer | I'm back |
| 05:44:44 | DragonEagle | is away: night all |
| 09:50:50 | | Disconnect was last seen on #familiar 9 hours, 52 minutes and 34 seconds ago, saying: np [Mon Oct 22 00:58:16 2001] |
| 09:50:50 | DaveH | ibot: seen Disconnect |
| 09:51:10 | | nikos was last seen on #familiar 12 hours, 17 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying: RoMo restart cardmgr [Sun Oct 21 22:33:14 2001] |
| 09:51:10 | DaveH | ibot: seen nikos |
| 09:51:24 | DaveH | Morning folks |
| 09:51:59 | DaveH | ljoin handhelds.org |
| 10:15:08 | DaveH | Hi there |
| 11:08:59 | phearbear | anyone awake? |
| 11:09:44 | phearbear | is it a known bug/normal that in pre0.5 it won't leave suspend mode with a PC-card extension pack? (removing the pack after having pressed the button, and display starts and all works nice) |
| 12:02:35 | root | hi there |
| 12:02:36 | root | anyone got sound working on pre 0.5? |
| 12:02:52 | root | madplay, emix etc. all come up and appear to work, but no sound is flying from my ipaq speaker |
| 13:00:43 | | jamey was last seen on #handhelds.org 13 minutes and 17 seconds ago, saying: dc: I seem not to have root for the cluster. I did 'make exec_prefix=/tmp/usr prefix=/tmp/usr install', so you can make an ipk from the contents of /tmp/usr [Mon Oct 22 13:47:26 2001] |
| 13:00:43 | nikos | ibot: seen jamey |
| 13:33:42 | bakka | hi |
| 13:34:22 | nikos | Bakka: Hello, status the same? |
| 13:34:33 | Bakka | no :) |
| 13:34:36 | Bakka | it's fine now |
| 13:34:41 | nikos | Bakka: What happened? |
| 13:34:42 | Bakka | and i finished the install |
| 13:34:54 | Bakka | this morning i could reboot it |
| 13:35:05 | Bakka | and it works fine |
| 13:35:06 | nikos | Bakka: Huh, well that's good. ;) |
| 13:35:12 | Bakka | yep :) |
| 13:35:48 | Bakka | err still a kestion, is the bug with the bootldr 2.4.15 and the sleep normal ? |
| 13:36:05 | Bakka | i had to install the 2.4.5 back to make sleep mode work |
| 13:37:03 | nikos | Bakka: Do you mean 2.14.15? |
| 13:37:17 | Bakka | yes |
| 13:37:29 | Bakka | add a 1 everywhere :) |
| 13:38:27 | nikos | Bakka: Actually, there is a little confusion there. The familiar instructions talk about 2.14.5, but 2.14.15 is newer and recommended. Which did you install? |
| 13:38:49 | nikos | Bakka: I am not aware of any sleep problems with any of those. |
| 13:39:05 | Bakka | hm i first installed the 2.4.15 |
| 13:39:25 | Bakka | but when the ipaq went into sleep, it wouldn't come back |
| 13:39:27 | nikos | Bakka: Are you sure? That's not right, it should have been 2.14.15. |
| 13:39:53 | Bakka | grr let's start again :) |
| 13:39:56 | Bakka | hm i first installed the 2.14.15 |
| 13:39:57 | Bakka | but when the ipaq went into sleep, it wouldn't come back |
| 13:40:22 | nikos | Bakka: No one else has reported that to my knowledge. |
| 13:41:02 | Bakka | I found this bug report on a web page too .. that's why i downgraded the bootldr |
| 13:41:06 | Bakka | u want the url ? |
| 13:41:47 | nikos | Bakka: Please. |
| 13:43:43 | Bakka | ww.handhelds.org//pipermail/linux/2001-September/001346.html |
| 13:44:48 | Bakka | and also the 000267.html |
| 13:46:29 | nikos | Bakka: I see no reference to bootloader 2.14.15. Please note that many people have had sleep problems, you MUST find something that refers to that bootloader version. |
| 13:46:57 | Bakka | hmm right the bug report is about 2.14.14 |
| 13:47:06 | Bakka | but i had the same with 2.14.15 |
| 13:47:16 | nikos | Bakka: I don't even see 2.14.14 there. |
| 13:47:31 | Bakka | hmm i'll check the url |
| 13:48:11 | nikos | http://www.handhelds.org/pipermail/bootldr/2001-August/000220.html |
| 13:48:20 | nikos | Bakka: I think you are referring to that. |
| 13:48:46 | nikos | Bakka: And that email is NOT about the ipaq not waking up. It is about some functionality not returning on wakeup. |
| 13:49:04 | Bakka | right, i mixed up the two bug reports |
| 13:49:31 | Bakka | in fact the ipaq did came up, but with no backlight, and no reaction of screen |
| 13:49:59 | nikos | Bakka: Aha, that's normal. |
| 13:50:05 | nikos | Bakka: You just need to hit another button. |
| 13:50:12 | nikos | Bakka: That was the screensaver. |
| 13:50:20 | Bakka | that's what i was told |
| 13:50:34 | Bakka | but i couldn't make it work |
| 13:50:49 | nikos | Bakka: Hmm, OK. That's odd then. |
| 13:51:00 | Bakka | with 2.14.5 i have no problem, power then another button works |
| 13:51:24 | Bakka | is 2.14.15 the last version ? |
| 13:51:25 | nikos | Bakka: If you want to report it, use the bootldr mailing list. |
| 13:51:29 | DragonEagle | is away: bbiaw |
| 13:51:38 | Bakka | nikos - ok |
| 13:51:46 | nikos | Bakka: Of the 2.14 series yes, we are working on other series for v0.5 now though. |
| 13:51:54 | Bakka | ok |
| 13:51:59 | Bakka | are they compatible ? |
| 13:53:01 | Bakka | i saw the 2.16.8 on the site |
| 13:53:14 | nikos | Bakka: You must use matching bootloaders, 2.14 is for v0.4, later ones are for v0.5. |
| 13:53:25 | Bakka | okay |
| 13:54:12 | Bakka | sorry for this loss of time |
| 13:54:21 | Bakka | and thanks for your help |
| 13:55:02 | nikos | Bakka: That's OK, you are welcome. |
| 14:02:12 | nikos | Morning sjohnson |
| 14:02:20 | sjohnson | nikos: hi |
| 14:02:27 | nikos | is away: errands |
| 14:33:52 | nikos | is back |
| 15:23:22 | blakangel | hi |
| 15:24:48 | phearbear | lo |
| 15:34:03 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 09:49:17) |
| 15:34:13 | phearbear | uhm, in what pkg is 'ps' .. seems it has disspeard from my ipaq. .(if it ever was there...) |
| 15:34:20 | nikos | phearbear: procps |
| 15:35:02 | phearbear | ah, wonderful, thanks :) |
| 15:36:06 | blakangel | hey guys |
| 15:36:12 | blakangel | i think my familiar went into power saving mode |
| 15:36:20 | blakangel | how can i get it out |
| 15:36:28 | blakangel | (i just installed last nite i have no idea what im doing) |
| 15:36:30 | nikos | blakangel: Doesn't happen automatically. |
| 15:36:37 | blakangel | hmm |
| 15:36:45 | blakangel | h3600_flite_power: timeout |
| 15:36:45 | blakangel | h3600_flite_power: timeout |
| 15:36:45 | blakangel | run_sbin_pm_helper:258 pm_helper_path=/sbin/pm_helper |
| 15:36:46 | blakangel | |
| 15:36:48 | nikos | blakangel: Try hitting one of the buttons under the lcd. |
| 15:36:53 | blakangel | thats what i see on the serial console... |
| 15:36:59 | nikos | blakangel: OK, you sure you didn't hit the power button? |
| 15:37:07 | blakangel | yeah i di |
| 15:37:09 | blakangel | d |
| 15:37:14 | nikos | blakangel: That puts it to sleep. ;) |
| 15:37:17 | phearbear | whoha, my ipaq is goin insane.. |
| 15:37:17 | nikos | blakangel: Hit it again. |
| 15:37:18 | blakangel | ahh |
| 15:37:20 | blakangel | ok |
| 15:37:24 | phearbear | *too* many mpegplayer processes!! |
| 15:37:55 | blakangel | ok i think its asleep now |
| 15:37:59 | blakangel | the display turned off |
| 15:38:05 | nikos | blakangel: If the screen goes blank after awake, that's the screensaver, hit some other button. |
| 15:38:13 | blakangel | k |
| 15:38:21 | blakangel | im going to press the power button again |
| 15:38:53 | blakangel | the display is back on now |
| 15:39:06 | blakangel | do i have to reset it to get the login: prompt? |
| 15:39:28 | phearbear | hmm, and Boing, ten points to me, it crashed :D |
| 15:39:47 | nikos | blakangel: No |
| 15:39:50 | phearbear | is very happy to see that someone finaly has fixed the probs with ne2k cards :D |
| 15:39:52 | nikos | blakangel: Nothing if you hit enter? |
| 15:39:56 | blakangel | nope |
| 15:40:04 | blakangel | h3600_flite_power: timeout |
| 15:40:04 | blakangel | h3600_flite_power: timeout |
| 15:40:04 | blakangel | run_sbin_pm_helper:258 pm_helper_path=/sbin/pm_helper |
| 15:40:05 | nikos | blakangel: But the lcd is working? |
| 15:40:07 | blakangel | said that again |
| 15:40:08 | blakangel | sits there |
| 15:40:10 | blakangel | lcd is on |
| 15:40:14 | blakangel | and i see the penguin logo |
| 15:40:19 | nikos | blakangel: Be careful you aren't cycling back and forth from sleep to awake. |
| 15:40:30 | nikos | blakangel: What exactly did you install? |
| 15:40:42 | blakangel | just the basic cramfs image |
| 15:40:46 | blakangel | 0.4 |
| 15:40:54 | nikos | I don't think so. |
| 15:40:57 | nikos | blakangel: cramfs? |
| 15:41:02 | blakangel | i duno what im talking about |
| 15:41:06 | nikos | blakangel: Again, be specific. Exact URLs. |
| 15:41:07 | blakangel | hold on let me find the files |
| 15:41:10 | blakangel | k |
| 15:42:02 | blakangel | Familiar v0.4 task-bootstrap.jffs2 |
| 15:42:07 | blakangel | thats what i installed |
| 15:42:32 | nikos | blakangel: You installed more than that. And again, I need the full URL with filename to what you downloaded. |
| 15:42:32 | blakangel | it was workign good last nite |
| 15:42:39 | blakangel | ok |
| 15:42:53 | blakangel | http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.4/install/H3600/bootldr-0000-2.14.5-bigkernel-mono |
| 15:42:55 | phearbear | uhm.. this was strange.. before i rebooted, networking worked perfectly.. now..i have all those eth0: mismatched read page pointers 7a vs 4e. ..etc.. again.. anyone know a fix for that? (i seem to have done it before unwillingly) |
| 15:43:29 | blakangel | er |
| 15:43:30 | blakangel | not that one |
| 15:43:39 | blakangel | ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/linux/compaq/ipaq/v0.20/bootldr-2.14.15 |
| 15:43:41 | blakangel | that was the url i used |
| 15:43:46 | blakangel | i think its a symlink to somethin |
| 15:43:48 | nikos | OK, and for the root image? |
| 15:44:04 | blakangel | http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.4/install/H3600/task-bootstrap.jffs2 |
| 15:44:27 | nikos | blakangel: OK, that's great. Hold on a moment. |
| 15:44:31 | blakangel | k |
| 15:44:53 | blakangel | lcd went off on ipaq |
| 15:45:02 | blakangel | h3600_flite_power: timeout |
| 15:45:12 | nikos | blakangel: Hit one of the non-power buttons. |
| 15:45:26 | blakangel | nothin happened |
| 15:45:37 | blakangel | nothin on serial console |
| 15:50:13 | blakangel | hmm |
| 15:50:18 | blakangel | the ipaq is still workin |
| 15:50:19 | blakangel | PAM_unix[415]: (ssh) session closed for user root |
| 15:50:24 | blakangel | just said that on serial console |
| 15:50:28 | blakangel | thasts from last night |
| 15:50:33 | blakangel | when i ssh'd in |
| 15:51:29 | nikos | blakangel: I'm going to have to find one of the bootloader developers, and they don't seem to be around for now. If you can hang around I would appreciate it. |
| 15:51:43 | blakangel | no prob |
| 15:51:57 | blakangel | this is a new ipaq... do you think the hardware might be a new revision or somethin |
| 15:52:43 | blakangel | im going to plug in external power |
| 15:52:46 | blakangel | see if that wakes it up |
| 15:54:00 | nikos | blakangel: I don't think so. I'm not really sure that very many users have used 2.14.15 yet, if you are in a hurry, flash 2.14.5 instead which is known to work. |
| 15:54:26 | blakangel | oh |
| 15:55:13 | blakangel | i'll try that i guess |
| 15:55:24 | blakangel | i followed the installation doc at: ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/linux/compaq/ipaq/stable/install.html |
| 15:55:24 | phearbear | nikos: if i put my ipaq (familiar pre0.5, all latest upgrades) with a pccard ext with a nic card which is *up* and go into sleep mode, it refuse to wale up.. removing the pccard nic card it go out of sleep mode (if i pressed the button before) and all works nice again.. |
| 15:56:27 | nikos | phearbear: Power management has never been completed. I don't generally sleep with cards in. |
| 15:56:41 | blakangel | nikos: going to try 2.14.5-1 |
| 15:57:14 | phearbear | nikos: ok, should it be ok to have the pccard extension, or should i remove that one before sleeping it too? |
| 15:58:04 | nikos | phearbear: Are you talking about a sleeve? |
| 15:58:12 | phearbear | nikos: ah, yes |
| 15:58:17 | nikos | phearbear: Single or dual? |
| 15:58:21 | phearbear | single |
| 15:58:34 | nikos | phearbear: Ahhh. That sleeve is known to not be working properly with v0.5. |
| 15:58:51 | blakangel | has a single sleeve too |
| 15:58:54 | blakangel | ;( |
| 15:59:01 | phearbear | oh? it's working just fine with a bit of fooling around :) |
| 15:59:34 | phearbear | nikos: you get tons of wacko errors with net transfers unless you remove the sleeve and insert it again.. sometimes fool around some with sleeping/waking up too .. then it is working nice :) |
| 15:59:57 | nikos | blakangel: Single sleeve works fine with v0.4. |
| 16:00:57 | blakangel | k |
| 16:01:02 | blakangel | should i try 0.5 |
| 16:01:56 | nikos | blakangel: If you want to use the single sleeve, I would say no. v0.5 is not finished yet. |
| 16:02:33 | blakangel | ic |
| 16:02:59 | blakangel | i just need to get my wireless lan card to work |
| 16:03:06 | blakangel | so i can hop on the wlan while at college |
| 16:04:26 | nikos | blakangel: What card? |
| 16:05:44 | blakangel | prismII based |
| 16:05:49 | blakangel | i havent bought it yet ;p |
| 16:05:57 | blakangel | was gonna pikc upan SMC card |
| 16:06:16 | nikos | blakangel: Installed the wlan-ng modules. |
| 16:06:26 | blakangel | no |
| 16:06:30 | blakangel | i just got the basis installed last nite |
| 16:06:31 | blakangel | basics |
| 16:06:34 | blakangel | and sshd |
| 16:06:39 | blakangel | setup ppp |
| 16:06:50 | blakangel | then went to bed |
| 16:07:51 | nikos | blakangel: oops s/install/installed/ |
| 16:07:59 | nikos | blakangel: I didn't mean to be asking, sorry. |
| 16:09:01 | blakangel | hehe |
| 16:09:04 | blakangel | its ok |
| 16:09:46 | blakangel | bootldr-2.14.5.tgz |
| 16:09:50 | blakangel | that the right file? |
| 16:10:20 | blakangel | that one works w/ familiar 0.4 |
| 16:10:20 | blakangel | ? |
| 16:12:50 | nikos | not the .tgz file now |
| 16:12:52 | nikos | err no |
| 16:13:05 | nikos | blakangel: Use the link that is right on the v0.4 instructions page. |
| 16:13:39 | blakangel | k |
| 16:16:44 | blakangel | nikos: the installstion instructions say to use 2.14.15-1 |
| 16:16:50 | blakangel | i'll try .5 anyway |
| 16:17:18 | nikos | blakangel: No they don't. |
| 16:17:32 | blakangel | oh |
| 16:17:37 | blakangel | the page im lookin at does |
| 16:17:40 | blakangel | so i dunno |
| 16:17:42 | blakangel | can u gimme a url |
| 16:17:44 | nikos | http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.4/install/H3600/install.html |
| 16:17:48 | blakangel | thx |
| 16:20:56 | pattieja | is away: lunch |
| 16:25:40 | blakangel | loading 2.14.5 |
| 16:29:21 | blakangel | hmmm |
| 16:31:23 | blakangel | it worked |
| 16:31:25 | blakangel | nikos |
| 16:31:26 | blakangel | its booted up |
| 16:31:38 | nikos | blakangel: OK, I'll still try to find out what's going on with 2.14.15. |
| 16:31:45 | blakangel | well |
| 16:31:51 | blakangel | it booted up with 2.14.15 too |
| 16:31:58 | blakangel | should i try putting it in suspend mode? |
| 16:32:01 | nikos | Yes |
| 16:32:03 | blakangel | k |
| 16:32:20 | blakangel | # pm_do_suspend: yea |
| 16:32:21 | blakangel | sa1110_suspend: *** sa1100_suspend() |
| 16:32:21 | blakangel | sa1110_suspend: *** sleep_param_p = 0xc1fdfd60 |
| 16:32:21 | blakangel | sa1110_suspend: *** resume_return() = 0xc001fac0 |
| 16:32:23 | blakangel | ok |
| 16:32:31 | blakangel | gonna try towakeit up |
| 16:32:50 | blakangel | ok |
| 16:32:53 | blakangel | tux logo up |
| 16:33:01 | blakangel | and i got root # prompt |
| 16:33:03 | blakangel | on ser console |
| 16:33:08 | blakangel | nikos: thx a bunch for the help-1 |
| 16:33:13 | nikos | blakangel: Sure |
| 16:33:24 | blakangel | i'll be hanging arund here if any developers want me to test anything |
| 16:39:13 | jamey | hello |
| 16:39:14 | blakangel | so |
| 16:39:20 | blakangel | now that ipaq is running again |
| 16:39:25 | blakangel | what should i isntall |
| 16:39:33 | nikos | jamey: I had blakangel downgrade to 2.14.5, Bakka did the same. |
| 16:39:41 | blakangel | hi |
| 16:39:45 | jamey | did that make it better? |
| 16:39:49 | blakangel | i think so |
| 16:39:50 | nikos | blakangel: Meet jamey, developer extraordinaire. |
| 16:39:53 | jamey | what bootldr did they have before? |
| 16:39:57 | blakangel | i had .15 |
| 16:40:05 | nikos | jamey: Initial install with 2.14.15 |
| 16:40:06 | jamey | 2.14.15? |
| 16:40:09 | blakangel | yes |
| 16:40:12 | jamey | OK |
| 16:41:08 | jamey | 2.14.5 should be fine. 2.14.8 had the bugfix for 64MB DRAM. There was a bugfix with suspend/resume in a later version that required kernel support. |
| 16:41:17 | jamey | I don't remember what kernel version it was. |
| 16:41:28 | jamey | one could always install Familiar 0.5... |
| 16:41:29 | nikos | jamey: Ah, that might make sense. |
| 16:41:42 | blakangel | yea i installed 0.4 |
| 16:42:01 | nikos | jamey: Unfortunately some users have single sleeves. |
| 16:42:02 | jamey | I guess we should recommend 2.14.5 with Familiar 0.4 (with caveat about 64MB DRAM) |
| 16:42:11 | jamey | nikos: single sleeve works with hh10, AFAIK |
| 16:42:19 | nikos | jamey: Oh really? Great. |
| 16:42:32 | nikos | jamey: The Familiar instructions say 2.14.5, but then link to the bootloader instructions. |
| 16:42:34 | jamey | I'm testing an improved fix that will be released in hh11 |
| 16:42:45 | jamey | I'll change the bootldr instructions |
| 16:42:46 | nikos | jamey: How about make a second copy of the install instructions with best version for v0.4? |
| 16:42:57 | nikos | jamey: That's excellent, we get closer and closer. |
| 16:43:00 | jamey | that's a good idea |
| 16:44:46 | Kero | is glad to read this conversation. |
| 16:44:57 | Kero | But, any idea what the cause of the trouble is? |
| 16:45:27 | nikos | Kero: Change in sleep/wakeup methodology I believe. |
| 16:45:32 | nikos | Kero: bootloader has to match kernel. |
| 16:46:28 | Kero | Doesn't sound like the problem Bakka had... or something else I heard yesterday... |
| 16:46:36 | jamey | Kero nikos: the bootldr was touching a register it shouldn't have, on resume. We fixed that, but then needed to get the kernel to reinitialize it when it needed it. |
| 16:47:00 | Kero | Like, giving a command to the bootloader and then loosing connection. |
| 16:47:20 | Kero | jamey: nasty bug |
| 16:50:29 | phearbear | what file is to be edited so my nic is brough up when i insert it in the sleeve? |
| 16:50:48 | nikos | phearbear: Something in /etc/pcmcia |
| 16:51:12 | nikos | phearbear: /etc/pcmcia/network.opts probably. |
| 16:51:20 | phearbear | ah, wonderful, i was fooling around in /etc/networks |
| 16:51:38 | _lynx_ | hi all :) I do not have pcmcia for my ipaq, is there an alternative for installing packages |
| 16:51:55 | _lynx_ | eg. via the serial cable and my host comp |
| 16:51:55 | blakangel | _lynx_: im using ppp over serial cable-1 |
| 16:52:02 | nikos | _lynx_: Yes, manual with zmodem (not recommended), ppp, or usbnet |
| 16:52:04 | | ppp is http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/PPPHowto |
| 16:52:04 | nikos | ibot: ppp |
| 16:52:05 | mirov_ | phearbear: make sure you have an entry in /etc/pcmcia/config that matches your card first though |
| 16:52:06 | | usbnet is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking |
| 16:52:06 | nikos | ibot: usbnet |
| 16:52:24 | _lynx_ | thanks a lot :) that was fast :) |
| 16:52:37 | nikos | _lynx_: Very common question. ;) |
| 16:52:44 | phearbear | mirov_: yup i have, it bring it up correct even now, just that it won't set the gateway and friends.. |
| 16:53:18 | _lynx_ | should I install 0.5? |
| 16:53:47 | Zombywuf | Can anyone help me in setting up ssh on an iPaq? |
| 16:53:48 | _lynx_ | and, another question, should I be cautious about charging the ipaq? |
| 16:53:53 | nikos | _lynx_: You can if you like, be forewarned it is not complete and takes some upgrading to make it reasonable. |
| 16:54:16 | nikos | _lynx_: No, it's lithium, best to keep it charged at all times. The only problem is draining it completely and leaving it drained. |
| 16:54:20 | Zombywuf | I can't figure out how to generate the dsa key, the function appears to have been removed |
| 16:54:25 | blakangel | zomby |
| 16:54:28 | | sshkeys is probably ssh-keygen -b 512 -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key -N ''; ssh-keygen -d -b 512 -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key -N '' |
| 16:54:28 | nikos | ibot: sshkeys |
| 16:54:28 | blakangel | do this: |
| 16:54:44 | Zombywuf | got that key |
| 16:54:47 | _lynx_ | nikos: so I can keep it plugged in as often as I like with no harm? |
| 16:54:51 | blakangel | er |
| 16:54:52 | nikos | Zombywuf: That's both of them. |
| 16:54:58 | blakangel | thats the DSA key too |
| 16:55:06 | Zombywuf | ah |
| 16:55:07 | nikos | _lynx_: Absolutely. |
| 16:55:07 | Zombywuf | ta |
| 16:55:12 | Zombywuf | must learn to read |
| 16:55:15 | blakangel | the second one |
| 16:57:04 | Zombywuf | It's running now thanks |
| 16:58:25 | blakangel | nice |
| 16:59:12 | blakangel | my ipaq is on the inernet now |
| 16:59:15 | blakangel | woot |
| 16:59:43 | blakangel | will 'ipkg update' take up my bandwidth |
| 16:59:47 | blakangel | my girlfriend will get pised |
| 16:59:48 | blakangel | ;/ |
| 17:02:17 | nikos | blakangel: It's nothing, maybe 1MB total at most. |
| 17:02:24 | blakangel | ok |
| 17:02:25 | blakangel | hey |
| 17:02:28 | blakangel | one thnigi dont unerstand |
| 17:02:41 | blakangel | i was reading the howto work with pda filesystems |
| 17:02:57 | blakangel | i have to remake a cramfs image? |
| 17:03:00 | blakangel | every time i change /etc |
| 17:03:02 | blakangel | or what |
| 17:03:08 | blakangel | i didn't understand that |
| 17:05:00 | nikos | blakangel: OLD NEWS. We do not use cramfs anymore. |
| 17:05:25 | nikos | blakangel: jffs2 is a writeable fileystem. |
| 17:05:37 | blakangel | ok |
| 17:05:37 | nikos | blakangel: Just treat it more or less like a hard drive. |
| 17:05:40 | blakangel | thanks |
| 17:05:48 | blakangel | im thnkin about gettina CF card |
| 17:05:50 | blakangel | next paycheck |
| 17:06:30 | nikos | blakangel: I would really recommend saving up for a PCMCIA sleeve. It can do both and has extra battery power. |
| 17:06:48 | zooty | nikos: isn't the maximum block-write count still relatively low (100k writes or something) |
| 17:06:53 | nikos | blakangel: The only reason to go with the CF sleeve in my opinion is if you really want the slimness. |
| 17:06:54 | blakangel | i bought a sleeve |
| 17:07:01 | blakangel | pcmcia |
| 17:07:07 | phearbear | nikos: pcmcia sleeve has extra battery power? ..? |
| 17:07:10 | blakangel | yea |
| 17:07:12 | blakangel | it does |
| 17:07:13 | blakangel | its cool |
| 17:07:21 | nikos | zooty: Yes and no. jffs2 is a journalling write-levelling filesystem, normal use shouldn't hit the limit for many many years. |
| 17:07:29 | blakangel | i got mine off ebay for 100 bux |
| 17:07:34 | phearbear | cool, how much longer battery time does it give? |
| 17:07:38 | nikos | blakangel: double battery power in single sleeve and triple in dual sleeve. |
| 17:07:44 | blakangel | wow |
| 17:08:00 | phearbear | ooh.. sweeet! |
| 17:08:13 | nikos | Let me rephrase that... |
| 17:08:16 | zooty | nikos: doesn't the journal get lots and lots of writes relative to other bits of the flash then... |
| 17:08:28 | nikos | The single sleeeve doubles the battery power, the dual triples it. |
| 17:08:54 | blakangel | nikos: awesome-1 |
| 17:09:08 | nikos | zooty: The journal writes linearly, so it's not in the same flash sector all the time. |
| 17:09:19 | phearbear | hmm. and kabooom it crashed again.. |
| 17:09:54 | mirov_ | Ah, but remember that you will probably put in things in the sleeve that consume power also (microdrive for example) |
| 17:10:43 | blakangel | or wireless |
| 17:10:48 | blakangel | i should have bougha dual sleeve ;( |
| 17:10:48 | jamey | zooty: with jffs2, all of flash is one big journal |
| 17:10:54 | blakangel | has a 260mb microdrive |
| 17:11:10 | blakangel | need pcmcia type III |
| 17:12:18 | blakangel | what do i put in /etc/localtime? (i don't run linux on desktop) |
| 17:15:16 | Zombywuf | Is there a battery level indicator in familiar? |
| 17:16:40 | phearbear | Zombywuf: apm for console, QPE-battery* for qpe and prolly something for x too =) |
| 17:16:49 | nikos | Zombywuf: ipaqstat for X. |
| 17:16:53 | | hmmm... ipaqstat is dockapp for ion or blackbox (may support others) that displays date, time, apm %, free memory, free flash/disk and wireless link strength. Ipk is in 0.5pre or in the intimate feed |
| 17:16:53 | nikos | ibot: ipaqstat |
| 17:20:47 | | thanks Zombywuf :) |
| 17:20:47 | Zombywuf | ibot: botsnack |
| 17:20:50 | Zombywuf | :-) |
| 17:26:56 | pattieja | is back (gone 01:06:00) |
| 17:28:10 | phearbear | ehh. this can not be normal.. the dispaly is flickering when i have network transfer! |
| 17:28:18 | blakangel | ;( |
| 17:28:39 | blakangel | my girlfriends laptop's souncard spews staticky stuff when i use the serial port |
| 17:28:55 | blakangel | some kind of interference |
| 17:29:01 | blakangel | *shrug* |
| 17:29:18 | nikos | blakangel: Sounds like IRQ conflict to me. |
| 17:30:06 | blakangel | yea |
| 17:30:12 | blakangel | they're sharing irq's or somethin |
| 17:30:18 | blakangel | its just a little inerference |
| 17:30:26 | blakangel | only can hear it if you turn the vol up all the way |
| 17:31:01 | zooty | sure you haven't cated /dev/ttyS0 > /dev/dsp ? :) |
| 17:31:26 | blakangel | heh |
| 17:59:43 | DragonEagle | is away: just away |
| 17:59:58 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 18:01:19 | RoMo | hi |
| 18:48:27 | blakangel | whats up |
| 18:52:13 | Zombywuf | As I understand it, if I get the IPaq toolachain I can compile anything to work under familiar by replacing gcc with arm-gcc in the amkefile, right? |
| 19:00:31 | jamey | arm-linux-gcc |
| 19:04:37 | Zombywuf | k, but the principle is simply that? |
| 19:08:33 | jamey | that's the basic principle (extending to ld/arm-linux-ld, ar/arm-linux-ar, ranlib/arm-linux-ranlib, ...) |
| 19:20:29 | Zombywuf | Right I'm off to compile something then :-) |
| 19:21:13 | blakangel | good luck |
| 19:24:03 | Zombywuf | :-) |
| 19:46:48 | po | hi there anyone using 0.5 pre |
| 19:47:05 | a7r- | yes. |
| 19:47:21 | po | does your sound work ok? |
| 19:48:42 | a7r- | only if I get my modules loaded right. |
| 19:48:47 | a7r- | what's it doing wrong? |
| 19:49:00 | po | well It hink all the modules are loaded correctly, but I'm getting no sound output |
| 19:49:05 | po | madplay still runs etc. and emix |
| 19:49:34 | blakangel | do you guys use CF cards for storage |
| 19:49:39 | blakangel | or pcmcia hard drive |
| 19:49:40 | blakangel | ? |
| 19:49:44 | po | no sorry can't afford one yet! |
| 19:49:50 | blakangel | me neither |
| 19:49:52 | blakangel | ;p |
| 19:49:57 | a7r- | po: do you have h3600-uda1341 loaded? |
| 19:50:06 | po | a7r- > I've got modules loaded slhc, sa110-audio, h3600-uda1341 etc. |
| 19:50:11 | blakangel | im wondering if i can fit x and stuff |
| 19:50:15 | blakangel | w/o extra storage |
| 19:50:16 | po | blakangel: yes you can! |
| 19:50:20 | a7r- | po: make sure no other apps have the dsp open. |
| 19:50:25 | po | I've got it running on my crappy 32mb ipaq |
| 19:50:32 | blakangel | yea i got 32mb too |
| 19:50:33 | po | a7r: ok |
| 19:50:48 | po | blakangel: x works fine on pre 0.5 and 0.4 - looks nice though 0.5 is more functional |
| 19:50:53 | blakangel | o |
| 19:50:57 | blakangel | i installed 0.4 |
| 19:51:19 | po | blakangel: 0.4 is good, but 0.5 is better IMHO |
| 19:51:25 | blakangel | hmm |
| 19:51:25 | po | a7r- nowt else is using audio AFAIK |
| 19:51:25 | blakangel | ok |
| 19:51:38 | po | a7r - not much else is running! |
| 19:52:43 | a7r- | that's strange. |
| 19:53:26 | po | a7r - any ideas how I can diagnose it further? |
| 19:54:07 | po | a7r - what sound proggies do you run? |
| 19:54:10 | sjohnson | po: Sound drivers have a problem of not working after a resume. You have to rmmod/insmod h3600-uda1341 to get sound working again. |
| 19:55:02 | a7r- | po: I run madplay. |
| 19:55:14 | sjohnson | po: Specifically is sound drivers are loaded and no sound playing during a suspend. Sound will not work after resume'ing |
| 19:55:23 | po | sjohson - ok I will try that now |
| 19:55:28 | po | a7r- madplay too, ok thanks! |
| 19:56:39 | po | sjohnson - thanks that did the trick! YAY!!! YAY!!!!!! The last hurdle for ipaq linux |
| 19:56:47 | po | you wouldn't believe how happy this has made me!!!! |
| 19:56:50 | blakangel | congrats |
| 19:56:57 | blakangel | think i should upgrade? |
| 19:56:59 | blakangel | to 0.5 |
| 19:57:27 | po | blakangel: be a man and upgrade. Stable linux is boring! Unstable is cool! |
| 19:57:44 | blakangel | hehehe |
| 19:57:45 | blakangel | ok |
| 19:58:52 | po | so what does everyone use their linux ipaq for? Just messing about? I'm trying to impress a client with mine to put his training web stuff on there, in linux rather than windows |
| 19:58:58 | po | just for a laugh really |
| 19:59:04 | blakangel | i just got mine |
| 19:59:15 | blakangel | i want to use it to hack wireless networks in my town |
| 19:59:17 | blakangel | because my laptop sucks |
| 19:59:21 | po | blakangel: they've just been price-reduced in the UK |
| 19:59:29 | blakangel | cool |
| 19:59:35 | po | so you want to fit a 802.11 (?) card and stuff |
| 19:59:41 | blakangel | yea |
| 19:59:54 | po | and then go round town and see how is pimping it up wireless style? |
| 19:59:56 | blakangel | i got a pcmcia sleeve |
| 19:59:57 | blakangel | yep |
| 20:00:17 | po | can you use cf cards with the pcmcia sleeve? do you need an adaptor? |
| 20:00:38 | a7r- | you need an adapter. |
| 20:00:44 | blakangel | u need a pcmcia cf adaptor |
| 20:00:52 | blakangel | unfortunately i only bought the single sleeve |
| 20:01:32 | blakangel | ahh |
| 20:01:36 | blakangel | im gonna have to upgrade my bootloader |
| 20:01:41 | blakangel | i just downgraded it earlier |
| 20:01:44 | blakangel | heh |
| 20:04:22 | Zombywuf | are there any docs on using fscrib? |
| 20:05:26 | po | blakangel: just go for it |
| 20:05:42 | po | are there any more unstable feeds than 0.5? I noticed some other versions of kernels floating about. |
| 20:06:05 | po | does the kernel require a lot of patching to work on the ipaq - I wondered why the kernels were like version 2.4.7 and 2.4.9 instead of the latest? |
| 20:06:59 | a7r- | Zombywuf: you should upgrade to xstroke.. |
| 20:08:27 | huget00n | hi all |
| 20:09:33 | blakangel | hi |
| 20:09:53 | huget00n | i hv a question about v0.5 |
| 20:10:42 | huget00n | i've installed the root fs image, but have nothing to upload the rest of packages |
| 20:11:13 | huget00n | no pppd, no irda is there something else to try ? |
| 20:11:48 | blakangel | usbnet |
| 20:11:58 | | blakangel: excuse me? |
| 20:11:58 | blakangel | ibot: usbnet-1 |
| 20:12:02 | blakangel | hmm |
| 20:12:16 | a7r- | huget00n: usbnet or zmodem. |
| 20:12:33 | huget00n | what i need to have on the host side ? |
| 20:13:21 | huget00n | oh, zmodem is fine, stupid me, tried rx but not rz |
| 20:13:44 | Zombywuf | a7r-: Are there binaries for an iPaq for it? |
| 20:14:43 | huget00n | yep rz seems to be in v0.5 |
| 20:14:55 | a7r- | Zombywuf: yup. |
| 20:15:20 | Zombywuf | Any idea where? |
| 20:15:51 | a7r- | Zombywuf: you running Familiar? |
| 20:16:20 | Zombywuf | Yeah |
| 20:24:51 | a7r- | then there are packages available.. take a look at the unstable feed for the latest. |
| 20:29:14 | huget00n | thx, a7r-, thx blakangel, zmodem worked fine, now using ppp |
| 20:29:20 | huget00n | bye all |
| 20:39:07 | po | hmm is smart media the same as compact flash anyone? |
| 20:45:45 | sjohnson | po: Similar. Smart Media is more of a device interface spec. It's like Sony's Memory stick. You can have more devices than just flash memory devices. |
| 20:47:50 | po | ah i see. Still memory stick = very expensive & crappy. I like compact flash cos the vendors competing forces the price down. Unlike memory stick. |
| 20:49:34 | sjohnson | po: There will be other device besides memory. Camera's, GPS receivers, network cards, etc. |
| 20:49:54 | sjohnson | ls |
| 20:51:19 | po | oh I see, so I guess there are advantage over existing interface like USB. |
| 20:51:25 | po | anyway what do you get up to with your ipaq? |
| 20:52:33 | sjohnson | po: I think your dropped a packet or two. I quite understand your last reply. |
| 20:53:17 | po | erm *scratches head* pass on that one! |
| 20:53:45 | sjohnson | is dropping packets himself |
| 20:53:55 | sjohnson | I did not quite understand... |
| 20:54:04 | sjohnson | :-> |
| 20:54:11 | po | ah I see. I was just wondering why Smart Media is any different to things like USB |
| 20:54:44 | blakangel | hey |
| 20:54:47 | blakangel | anyone know if this is bad |
| 20:54:49 | blakangel | RXSTAT error: 00000020 |
| 20:54:52 | blakangel | afater doing load bootldr |
| 20:54:59 | blakangel | it does the verifying...done |
| 20:55:28 | sjohnson | blakangel: Did you get "veryify..done." after the upload? |
| 20:55:47 | blakangel | yes |
| 20:55:59 | blakangel | it gave me that same RXSTAT error last time i load'd a bootldr |
| 20:56:00 | blakangel | and it worked |
| 20:56:05 | blakangel | so i guess its ok |
| 20:56:27 | sjohnson | blakangel: Using minicom? |
| 20:57:00 | blakangel | yes |
| 20:57:28 | blakangel | im installing 0.5 |
| 20:58:20 | sjohnson | blakangel: You can use scroll back buffer to verify a good load, Ctrl+A, B. |
| 20:59:23 | blakangel | ok |
| 20:59:48 | blakangel | uh oh |
| 20:59:56 | blakangel | i think somethin bad happened |
| 21:00:54 | blakangel | ok |
| 21:00:56 | blakangel | its workin still |
| 21:04:42 | Zombywuf | hmmm, I may have found a slight bug in the implementation, when errors are reported they dump to ttySA0, which kills any serial connection |
| 21:06:08 | Zombywuf | The garbage collector is throwing errors about being able to access an inode, any ideas? |
| 21:14:38 | po | in nornal linux when you get that can't you use the ext2fs tools to fix the filesystem? |
| 21:14:55 | blakangel | e2fsck |
| 21:16:27 | RoMo | somone has a airsnort on his ipaq ? |
| 21:17:25 | blakangel | thats my plan |
| 21:22:34 | BrianR__ | heh.. airsnort.. |
| 21:22:57 | po | what's an airsnort? Some kind of mucus based expansion sleeve? |
| 21:23:05 | blakangel | its som code |
| 21:23:12 | blakangel | to h4ck up wireless lans |
| 21:23:21 | blakangel | modified libpcap |
| 21:23:24 | blakangel | to get 802.11 frames |
| 21:23:27 | blakangel | and stuff like that |
| 21:24:32 | po | so what does it actually *do*? |
| 21:24:43 | po | grab packets from the wireless networks that you come across and decrypt them? |
| 21:25:28 | blakangel | no |
| 21:25:38 | blakangel | its just a wlan sniffer i guess |
| 21:25:39 | blakangel | wep cracking is different |
| 21:25:47 | blakangel | only certain cards prism II based ones |
| 21:25:50 | blakangel | collect data |
| 21:25:54 | blakangel | and then you can figure ou the wep key |
| 21:26:02 | blakangel | with some wep software |
| 21:26:51 | Zombywuf | Er, I appear to have a serious problem here, the garbage collectors going nuts repeatedly trying to access an inode on a jffs filesystem which it can't, so it keeps trying |
| 21:26:58 | blakangel | ;( |
| 21:27:03 | blakangel | i dunno man |
| 21:27:13 | Zombywuf | hmm, maybe have to reboot |
| 21:27:22 | blakangel | maybe |
| 21:27:51 | Zombywuf | Do i have to do anything special to get the filesytem written to ROM? |
| 21:28:10 | blakangel | with jffs |
| 21:28:12 | blakangel | its automatic |
| 21:28:14 | blakangel | afaik |
| 21:31:17 | Zombywuf | gah, I'm off |
| 21:31:20 | Zombywuf | night folks |
| 21:43:49 | DaveH | hi folks |
| 21:45:36 | blakangel | yo |
| 21:51:14 | DaveH | Am I to assume that familiar is pretty much set up to be used as root only ? |
| 21:51:59 | blakangel | dunno |
| 21:53:09 | blakangel | hmm |
| 21:53:10 | DaveH | Oh well I cant find the adduser command atm .. Will keep looking into it |
| 21:53:15 | blakangel | does familiar 0.5 not come with pppd |
| 21:53:23 | blakangel | DaveH: edit /etc/passwd-1 |
| 21:53:27 | blakangel | add a user that way |
| 21:54:11 | DaveH | Hmmm what aboutr the encripted password su from root to change it ? |
| 21:54:29 | blakangel | im guessing its DES w/ 2byte salt |
| 21:54:36 | blakangel | so use perl or somethin to do crypt( |
| 21:54:38 | blakangel | ) |
| 21:54:44 | blakangel | and paste int he encrypetd passwd |
| 21:55:16 | DaveH | nods .. will look inmto that later .. |
| 21:55:25 | blakangel | hmm |
| 21:59:29 | blakangel | i cant find pppd |
| 21:59:33 | blakangel | crap |
| 22:07:43 | blakangel | anyone awake |
| 22:09:14 | RoMo | somone has a airsnort on his ipaq ? |
| 22:10:13 | blakangel | dude |
| 22:10:16 | blakangel | to use airsnort |
| 22:10:28 | blakangel | it has to sniff 100megs to 1GB of data |
| 22:10:41 | blakangel | and you have to hack the kernel source |
| 22:11:07 | RoMo | i dont wanna use the WEP cracking part. i would like to scan only |
| 22:11:14 | blakangel | airsnort doesnt scan |
| 22:11:22 | blakangel | it just collects unaltered 802.11 frames |
| 22:11:27 | blakangel | for wep cracking |
| 22:11:32 | RoMo | so how can i scan ? |
| 22:11:35 | blakangel | you need somethin like dstumbler |
| 22:11:51 | RoMo | dstumbler ? |
| 22:11:54 | blakangel | yes |
| 22:11:58 | RoMo | google cannot find anything |
| 22:12:05 | blakangel | use another search engine |
| 22:12:16 | blakangel | lemme try to find it |
| 22:13:19 | blakangel | http://www.dachb0den.com/ |
| 22:13:22 | blakangel | theres some info there |
| 22:13:46 | blakangel | i thnk the real name |
| 22:13:49 | blakangel | is netstumbler |
| 22:13:55 | RoMo | thats a windows software |
| 22:14:05 | blakangel | yeah |
| 22:14:07 | blakangel | on that website |
| 22:14:10 | blakangel | theres a port or somethin |
| 22:14:11 | blakangel | to unix |
| 22:14:18 | blakangel | called dstumbler |
| 22:14:21 | blakangel | its in the bsd-airtools package |
| 22:15:57 | RoMo | that's bsd not linux |
| 22:16:41 | blakangel | right... |
| 22:17:33 | RoMo | i don't have bsd on my ipaq |
| 22:17:35 | DaveH | is there help on fscribe somewhere ? |
| 22:21:36 | a7r | switch to xstroke. |
| 22:21:38 | RoMo | blakangel :? |
| 22:22:33 | DaveH | xstroke dose not seem to want to work when I launch a rxvt-bitmapped ? |
| 22:23:01 | blakangel | yes RoMo? |
| 22:23:20 | RoMo | that's bsd not linux |
| 22:23:23 | blakangel | i know |
| 22:23:54 | RoMo | so why do you tell me that? |
| 22:23:58 | a7r | DaveH: the latest has some issues with unpatched rxvts. |
| 22:25:34 | DaveH | what is the difference between fstroke/fscribe/xscribe ? |
| 22:25:44 | DaveH | sorry xstroke |
| 22:27:02 | a7r | different engines, and frontends. |
| 22:27:16 | a7r | there are really 2 engines,.. scribble, and stroke.. stroke being cworth's, and a far better engine. |
| 22:27:41 | RoMo | blakangel :? |
| 22:28:18 | DaveH | a7r: what would it take to patch rxvt-bittmapped ? |
| 22:28:43 | blakangel | hi |
| 22:29:40 | RoMo | blakangel rtfqa |
| 22:29:59 | a7r | DaveH: Talk to cworth.. |
| 22:30:18 | DaveH | nods Ill keep an eye out for him .. |
| 22:30:49 | blakangel | romo utfse |
| 22:33:02 | RoMo | blakangel you've no idea i'm talking about |
| 22:33:22 | blakangel | ok |
| 22:33:26 | blakangel | i don't care either |
| 22:33:29 | blakangel | sorry for trying to help |
| 22:34:22 | a7r | hahh. |
| 22:34:38 | a7r | blakangel: those bsd-airtools looks like a good set of kit. |
| 22:34:49 | blakangel | yeah |
| 22:34:53 | blakangel | i have them on my fbsd laptop |
| 22:35:03 | blakangel | dstumbler is pretty awesome |
| 22:35:17 | a7r | I'm using OBSD on my iBook.. with a built in Lucent card. |
| 22:35:19 | blakangel | a7r: quick question... pppd is not installed w/ familiar 0.5-1 |
| 22:35:22 | blakangel | nice |
| 22:35:30 | blakangel | my buddy is using obsd on his lappie w/ bsd-airtools |
| 22:35:37 | RoMo | laptop is lame. ipaq would be cooler |
| 22:35:42 | RoMo | like ibm did it |
| 22:35:43 | a7r | RoMo: no one was talking to you. |
| 22:35:50 | a7r | blakangel: Nod. |
| 22:35:56 | blakangel | darn |
| 22:36:15 | a7r | RoMo: But you're right, the IBM setup was pretty elite. |
| 22:36:18 | RoMo | a7r so what? |
| 22:36:30 | RoMo | a7r why don't they release it to the public. |
| 22:36:43 | a7r | So their security gimps can sell services. ;) |
| 22:37:04 | RoMo | hm. |
| 22:37:17 | RoMo | IBM Germany has a big wlan without any security... |
| 22:37:30 | a7r | disabled WEP at home. |
| 22:37:40 | RoMo | a7r ...ipsec? |
| 22:37:45 | a7r | nope. |
| 22:37:55 | a7r | I don't particularly mind of anyone browses on my net. |
| 22:38:01 | RoMo | a7r hehe |
| 22:38:14 | a7r | but I am going to need to implement altq, and get IPsec up so I can have total access to my internal net. |
| 22:38:22 | a7r | but I slack. |
| 22:38:50 | DragonEagle | is away: ooh ee ooh ah ah walla walla bing bang |
| 22:39:14 | RoMo | do you know | blakangel (irc@peach.elite.net) (Internic Network) |
| 22:39:14 | RoMo | : ircname : a broken reflection on the surface of never |
| 22:39:14 | RoMo | | channels : #familiar |
| 22:39:14 | RoMo | | server : benford.openprojects.net (Bezerkeley, California US) |
| 22:39:16 | RoMo | ups |
| 22:39:17 | DragonEagle | is away: ooh ee ooh ah ah bing bang walla walla bing bang |
| 22:39:25 | RoMo | opera sucks sometimes |
| 22:39:35 | RoMo | do you know Thies C. Arntzen ? |
| 22:39:41 | RoMo | apache + php core developer? |
| 22:39:50 | blakangel | no |
| 22:39:53 | RoMo | he also as an insecure wlan in hamburg/germany |
| 22:39:55 | mowse | looking for some insight on serial port issues, aside from the two posts on the threads |
| 22:40:05 | mowse | specifically, allowing a gps unit to take control of the serial port |
| 22:40:09 | mowse | getty, etc |
| 22:40:13 | a7r | mowse: what about it? |
| 22:40:46 | mowse | a7r: I'm having issues with processes controlling the serial port. |
| 22:40:57 | mowse | a7r: /dev/ttySA0 after killing off getty and the like |
| 22:41:17 | mowse | a7r: I've customized an init level for convenience sake |
| 22:41:21 | a7r | mowse: nod. |
| 22:41:32 | mowse | a7r: doesn't seem to be able to open the serial port though |
| 22:42:00 | mowse | a7r: it's a garmin gps unit, connected via the serial sync cable, accessed via "garble" |
| 22:42:10 | mowse | though, I've had similar issues with any serial device |
| 22:42:17 | mowse | i.e. stowaway |
| 22:42:42 | mowse | I'm not sure what else could be monopolizing the serial port, if anything |
| 22:42:48 | mowse | perhaps I'm overlooking something |
| 22:43:15 | a7r | well, your Linux console writes to it. |
| 22:43:26 | a7r | i.e. messages from the kernel.. have you fixed your linuxargs? |
| 22:44:12 | mowse | I have not, though I'd read a bit about it |
| 22:44:22 | mowse | I wasn't aware that it monopolized the serial port |
| 22:44:25 | a7r | that'd be the next step.. what exactly are you seeing as the problem? |
| 22:44:27 | mowse | if specified as console |
| 22:44:30 | a7r | it doesn't monopolize it.. |
| 22:44:36 | a7r | but it does write to it. |
| 22:45:03 | mowse | by disconnecting a serial console session (i.e. unplugging it) and plugging in the gps unit |
| 22:45:31 | mowse | the process writing to the serial port should be able to do so, yes? |
| 22:45:46 | a7r | it should be able to, yes. |
| 22:46:28 | mowse | that leaves me stumped, I suppose |
| 22:46:41 | mowse | maybe it boils down to a hardware issue |
| 22:48:10 | mowse | the process doesn't return any errors regarding opening the serial port |
| 22:48:33 | mowse | though, it doesn't seem to be able to talk to the gps |
| 22:48:37 | mowse | baud rate matches, etc. |
| 22:49:45 | a7r | if you have a terminal attached instead of a GPS, do you get communication with the process bound to the serial port? |
| 22:50:18 | a7r | is away: going afk for a bit |
| 22:50:21 | blakangel | wooh i got pppd installed |
| 22:50:41 | mowse | I'm testing that now. |
| 23:18:34 | blakangel | wooho |
| 23:20:43 | blakangel | should i install task-x |
| 23:21:36 | blakangel | ? |
| 23:21:53 | blakangel | does my 32mb ipaq have enuff space for it |
| 23:27:10 | DaveH | is it posible to cut and paste within rtvts with the ipaq styls ? |
| 23:29:09 | blakangel | not sure |
| 23:29:13 | blakangel | have u tried |
| 23:30:45 | DaveH | selecting is easy but how would I get a button 3 etc ? |
| 23:31:16 | blakangel | are u using xstroke |
| 23:31:40 | DaveH | atm yes |
| 23:32:00 | blakangel | i dunno |
| 23:32:10 | blakangel | im new to familiar |
| 23:32:11 | blakangel | ;( |
| 23:35:15 | DaveH | same here .. would be cool to be able to set up a couple of the button to be mouse buttos ? leter mode just pressing acts as but 1 bress button calander and press for 2 contacts and press for 3 ? |
| 23:36:10 | blakangel | ahh |
| 23:36:10 | blakangel | good idea |
| 23:37:09 | DaveH | would be best done within the winmanager rather then xstroke |
| 23:38:07 | blakangel | im installing task-x |
| 23:38:07 | blakangel | right now |
| 23:40:06 | DaveH | nods Im looking into getting rid of the windows manager on there .. would like blackbox ion seems to be the default no idea how to change it yet .. exported my display to the desktop for now .. cool eh ;-> |
| 23:40:40 | blakangel | nice |
| 23:41:01 | blakangel | did u have to change linuxargs |
| 23:41:04 | blakangel | in the bootldr |
| 23:41:07 | DaveH | have to admit this thing is real coool |
| 23:41:11 | blakangel | cause mines setup to do serial console |
| 23:41:25 | blakangel | hmmm |
| 23:41:26 | blakangel | task-x |
| 23:41:27 | blakangel | is done |
| 23:41:34 | blakangel | should i startx |
| 23:41:35 | blakangel | or what |
| 23:41:35 | blakangel | ? |
| 23:41:37 | blakangel | hehe |
| 23:41:53 | DaveH | it will come up on reboot |
| 23:41:59 | blakangel | k |
| 23:42:07 | blakangel | installing xstroke now |
| 23:43:47 | blakangel | ok |
| 23:43:50 | blakangel | wish me luck |
| 23:43:53 | blakangel | gonna reboot |
| 23:44:28 | DaveH | good luck |
| 23:44:44 | blakangel | nice |
| 23:44:46 | blakangel | x came up |
| 23:45:04 | DaveH | man that were quick mine take a few mins |
| 23:45:09 | blakangel | heh |
| 23:45:12 | blakangel | what do i do now |
| 23:45:13 | blakangel | ;( |
| 23:45:27 | DaveH | what do you have on the display ? |
| 23:45:34 | blakangel | two windows |
| 23:45:34 | blakangel | say |
| 23:45:37 | blakangel | "empty frame" |
| 23:45:44 | blakangel | a mouse pointer |
| 23:45:52 | DaveH | one has a menu button on it .. press that |
| 23:46:18 | blakangel | dont see it |
| 23:46:22 | blakangel | i can press a small icon |
| 23:46:27 | blakangel | that doubles the windows |
| 23:46:28 | blakangel | splits them |
| 23:46:30 | blakangel | over and over |
| 23:46:47 | blakangel | thers a red x in the upper right |
| 23:46:49 | blakangel | doesnt do nothin |
| 23:47:35 | blakangel | hrm |
| 23:47:35 | blakangel | heh |
| 23:47:39 | DaveH | thats the way the windows manager works its all framed each window fills a fram ... dont like it thats why im looking at removing it .. theres a meny button on the left and an x to close each frame .. cannot close last frame |
| 23:47:39 | blakangel | never used this ion thing b4 |
| 23:49:17 | blakangel | hmm |
| 23:52:18 | blakangel | i logged into serial console |
| 23:52:20 | blakangel | opened an rxvt |
| 23:59:40 | DaveH | well you can custome defilne strokes for xstroke |