| 00:48:43 | NormanICE | how long does the linux installation process take to an ipaq 3600? |
| 00:54:59 | jacques | NormanICE: depends how many packages you instal |
| 00:55:37 | jacques | NormanICE: if you have to do the wince backup and initial bootldr install, it's longer too |
| 00:57:00 | sgodsell | is back (gone 06:33:51) |
| 01:12:44 | NormanICE | is there a usb port in progress, and if so, should i hold my breath? |
| 01:38:07 | blakangel | hi |
| 02:27:50 | mirov | Anyone install the Dillo browser, does it work? What about the libs it needs, where do I get them? |
| 02:53:30 | sgodsell | is away: I have got to go! |
| 06:18:56 | SleepingDragon | is away: good night |
| 06:40:20 | jailish | does nfs exist for familiar ? |
| 09:01:14 | ranec | Does anyone know what I can set my limuxargs to (in the boot loader?) so that my console messages do **not** go to /dev/ttySA0? |
| 09:07:26 | ranec | Funny, 22 users all silent! <grin> I must be the only one in a timezone where it's daytime or you're all logged on at home but at school/work. :-) |
| 09:30:51 | ranec | Morning DocSnyder. Do U know anything about console msgs? |
| 09:32:34 | DocSnyder | ranec: I hope so... |
| 09:34:29 | DocSnyder | ranec: Which console msg do you mean? |
| 09:41:54 | ranec | How I can set my linuxargs (in the boot loader?) so that my console messages do **not** go to /dev/ttySA0? |
| 09:44:40 | ranec | Obviously I do not want to just set console=null |
| 09:45:32 | ranec | but if my console messages go to /dev/ttySA0, I can't attach an AT modem to the serial port without it getting all my console messages. <grin> |
| 09:46:35 | DocSnyder | ranec: Of course, the serial port will be busy then. |
| 09:47:14 | ranec | That's okay isn't it? I can ssh onto the machine |
| 09:47:33 | ranec | Is there any reason why I can't use that serial port for other purposes? |
| 09:49:01 | DocSnyder | ranec: You can, but at first you have to disable the console on serial port. Just ignore the "console=/dev/ttySA0" on the boot prompt. The messages should come on the screen afterwards, with the serial port being free. |
| 09:50:06 | ranec | So I remove the "console=ttySA0" from my set linuxargs ... command to the bootloader? |
| 09:50:49 | ranec | ( of course I have to do this using the serial port, but one it's booted up, I can switch the cable over from my linux machine to the modem ) |
| 09:52:29 | DocSnyder | ranec: If it really doesn't work, the bootloader will still run on the serial console. Do you run networking with PPP or USB? |
| 09:52:56 | ranec | DocSnyder: Ethernet :-) |
| 09:53:54 | DocSnyder | ranec: That rocks, I'm using USB which is quite fast enough, but a bit unstable. |
| 09:55:06 | DocSnyder | That is, sometimes the workstation get's a module segfault and a kernel oops. |
| 09:56:09 | ranec | DocSnyder: (USB) drag |
| 09:59:13 | ranec | DocSnyder: That's totally done the trick. Ta! <grin> |
| 09:59:26 | ranec | Console messages now go to the screen |
| 09:59:51 | ranec | DocSnyder: Of course I'm not sure where they'll go when I start an X11 application? |
| 10:00:14 | ranec | DocSnyder: but that's another bridge that I'll come to eventually. :-) |
| 10:00:38 | ranec | DocSnyder: gonna get a sandwitch, back l8r |
| 11:48:30 | blakangel | hi |
| 11:48:43 | mpakula | hi |
| 11:48:47 | blakangel | whats goin on |
| 11:49:00 | mpakula | nothing much yet |
| 12:08:06 | mpakula | hates sys admins playing with users gotta go CU later ;o( |
| 14:39:22 | blakangel | hi |
| 14:40:26 | nikos | is away: Errand |
| 15:02:10 | nikos | is back |
| 15:02:20 | sgodsell | Hello nikos |
| 15:02:31 | nikos | sjohnson: Thank you very much for your help with mutt last night, I'm starting to get setup with it. |
| 15:02:33 | nikos | sgodsell: Hi |
| 15:05:21 | pattieja | is away: I'm busy |
| 15:05:41 | pattieja | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 15:06:10 | sjohnson | nikos: It's must my curious nature. I didn't see any apparent why to do it from the man pages or -? help |
| 15:07:27 | nikos | sjohnson: Do you use mutt with imap? |
| 15:08:06 | sjohnson | No I generally use mozilla or raw telnet to the imap port. |
| 15:08:28 | nikos | sjohnson: Ah, mozilla work OK? |
| 15:09:20 | sjohnson | 0.94 yes. Ealier mail clients sucked. |
| 15:09:47 | sjohnson | Before that I used Network 4.x for my mail client. |
| 16:03:13 | nikos | sjohnson: Trying to use moz now, any idea how I can see raw headers? I really need that sometimes. |
| 16:05:16 | sjohnson | menu View -> Headers -> All |
| 16:05:34 | nikos | sjohnson: I get no apparent change. |
| 16:06:55 | DocSnyder | is away: I'm busy |
| 16:07:58 | sjohnson | Damn. I didn't notice that is stopped working. :-/ |
| 16:09:13 | nikos | sjohnson: Mozilla would be good but it still crawls on my dual ppro-200 unfortunately. :( Guess I'm really going to have to save up. |
| 16:09:49 | blakangel | mozilla crawls on my athlon |
| 16:09:59 | blakangel | its UI is just laggy |
| 16:16:09 | nikos | blakangel: There's crawl and then there's crawl, when it takes 1-3 seconds for me to delete each message.... |
| 16:19:05 | DocSnyder | is back (gone 00:12:07) |
| 16:21:42 | boodle | Anyone here try ftp://lothlorien.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/2.4.12/ ? |
| 16:23:41 | nikos | boodle: I would ask jamey about the status of it. |
| 16:25:13 | sjohnson | boodle: It's experimental. It will boot, but lots of things aren't working. |
| 16:27:10 | boodle | nikos sjohnson: ok thank you |
| 16:55:09 | nikos | Wild, I just noticed I'm now a slashdot moderator... |
| 17:03:36 | _lynx_ | hi I have set ppp options as in PPPHowto but on the server I get: Coudln't set tty to PPP discipline: invalid argument |
| 17:03:38 | _lynx_ | ??? |
| 17:04:26 | _lynx_ | and I also get several tdb_store failed: Success |
| 17:23:06 | nikos | Disconnect: Hey, are you aware that the /proc/apm stats have been "fixed"? We need a new ipaqstat without scaling. |
| 17:29:59 | Disconnect | nikos: intimate has it. a7r hasn't updated familiar yet. (its a cmdline option) |
| 17:30:54 | nikos | Disconnect: OK |
| 17:31:18 | a7r | nikos: if you want to grab the package off of the skiff, and put it in familiar's incoming, I'll put it in the feed. |
| 17:31:56 | nikos | a7r: OK, by way thanks for the help with mutt last night, I'm now transitioned off of Eudora now for email. |
| 17:32:04 | a7r | nikos: rad. |
| 17:33:30 | nikos | Disconnect: ipaqstat_1.4_arm.ipk? |
| 17:33:40 | Disconnect | yep |
| 17:34:04 | nikos | a7r: Just put it in the root of ~familiar/incoming/? |
| 17:35:39 | nikos | a7r: It's there |
| 17:51:25 | nikos | After years and years of using Eudora on the M$ machine to my right I'm finding it very difficult to fight the urge to glance over there every few minutes. |
| 17:52:44 | mallum | nikos: mutt :))) |
| 17:53:08 | mallum | nikos: I got usbnet up - but there appears to be no ssh on the ipaq ? |
| 17:53:19 | nikos | mallum: I'm using Moz right now, mutt doesn't seem to have quite the imap support I need. |
| 17:53:30 | nikos | mallum: Nope, it was missed, zmodem it over. |
| 17:53:46 | mallum | nikos: heh, ok :) |
| 17:53:57 | mallum | nikos: you can compile mutt with imap support |
| 17:54:39 | | ask me about the 'unstable feed' |
| 17:54:39 | mallum | ibot: unstable |
| 17:54:46 | nikos | mallum: I did, but creating mailboxes doesn't seem to be working, I also don't like the fact that it doesn't have internal SMTP support. I'll continue looking at it. One of the main reasons I changed to IMAP was for client agnosticism. |
| 17:55:14 | | mallum: huh? |
| 17:55:14 | mallum | ibot: very clever, unstable feed |
| 17:55:20 | | hmmm... unstable feed is at http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/ |
| 17:55:20 | mallum | ibot: unstable feed |
| 17:56:47 | mallum | nikos: agnosticism ? |
| 18:04:05 | sgodsell | is away: I have got to go! |
| 18:10:57 | mallum | nikos: woohoo I have networking ;) |
| 18:23:48 | DocSnyder | is away: I'm busy |
| 18:27:35 | DocSnyder | is back (gone 00:03:47) |
| 18:47:05 | blakangel | i have my ipaq |
| 18:47:08 | blakangel | setup as a ppp server |
| 18:47:21 | blakangel | and my win2k box is connecting via serial port |
| 18:47:21 | blakangel | woohoo |
| 18:58:29 | nikos | mallum: Excellent. |
| 18:58:50 | nikos | mallum: IMAP allows me to switch clients whenever I like since all content remains on the server. |
| 19:08:30 | mallum | nikos: I have a basic local exim install which does my smtp |
| 19:09:18 | mallum | nikos: and a Perl script ( useing Mail::Audit ) with picks up my mail from various POP server and builds filtered mboxs |
| 19:40:02 | nikos | mallum: I'm using fetchmal and Cyrus. |
| 19:40:47 | silverblue | So, can anyone tell me what to download to get a somewhat stable version of familiar that works with dual pcmcia sleeve? I read V0.4 had some problems with it.. |
| 19:59:12 | nikos | silverblue: There's no easy to install complete release that work with the dual sleeve yet, the v0.5 pre-release is the closest. Otherwise you would need to upgrade kernel and modules on v0.4, which is not necessarily straightforward. |
| 20:08:25 | blakangel | i know someone that has dual sleeve workign |
| 20:08:34 | blakangel | let me see what ver hes running |
| 20:09:02 | blakangel | Linux Kernel 2.4.6-rmk1-np2-devfs |
| 20:09:13 | blakangel | hh4 |
| 20:09:14 | blakangel | he says |
| 20:09:24 | nikos | blakangel: It's not that it can't be done, not everyone is comfortable with upgrading the kernel and modules that's all. |
| 20:09:36 | blakangel | ic |
| 20:09:38 | blakangel | man |
| 20:10:06 | blakangel | its cool |
| 20:10:10 | blakangel | i like upgrading |
| 20:10:17 | blakangel | i want to be a familiar guru |
| 20:10:18 | blakangel | tho |
| 20:10:21 | blakangel | so i hve a lot to learn |
| 20:17:19 | nikos | a7r: Fun fun |
| 20:18:12 | blakangel | nikos: how you doin-1 |
| 20:18:24 | | blakangel: i'm not following you... |
| 20:18:24 | blakangel | ibot: ion-1 |
| 20:18:27 | blakangel | damn |
| 20:18:36 | blakangel | stupid script |
| 20:18:37 | blakangel | heh] |
| 20:43:47 | sjohnson | Man that really pisses me off. M$ locking out browsers except for IE. |
| 20:48:34 | nikos | sjohnson: What site? |
| 20:48:44 | sjohnson | www.msn.com |
| 20:48:54 | nikos | sjohnson: Ah, who cares? ;) |
| 20:49:16 | sjohnson | There are a few bits that I used. |
| 20:49:37 | nikos | sjohnson: Oh OK |
| 20:51:02 | sjohnson | But mozilla to the rescue. Just changed the User-Agent string to IE's and it lets me in no problems. Wiggy! |
| 20:56:23 | nikos | sjohnson: Wild. ;) |
| 20:58:43 | nikos | That was interesting... |
| 21:01:30 | sjohnson | Piracy!. Copyright infringment! |
| 23:20:04 | dave_ | Interesting point I installed mingle this morning and placed a single test entery in there .. Ive just Up graded to hh10 .. The test data is incomplete .. All I have is the names no addys etc .. anyone I should be informing of this ? |
| 23:26:07 | DocSnyder | is away: :-Q |
| 23:30:56 | DocSnyder | is back (gone 00:04:49) |
| 23:31:42 | DocSnyder | dave_: Ask gjg on #handhelds.org, he's doing mingle. |
| 23:31:59 | blakangel | hi |
| 23:32:00 | blakangel | whats up |
| 23:32:41 | dave_ | thanks DocSnyder |
| 23:33:06 | blakangel | im installing mingle right now |
| 23:34:25 | DocSnyder | Storing data in mingle is a bit 'raw' at the moment. It's simply an object dump. |
| 23:34:41 | blakangel | heh |
| 23:34:50 | blakangel | i just want to play w/ it right now |
| 23:39:45 | dave_ | Blackangle .. Nods thats why I loaded it ;-> |
| 23:42:47 | dave_ | a7r : are you working with sysset ? |
| 23:44:46 | blakangel | cool |
| 23:53:45 | MalteseFalcon | dave_ How are you inputting your data? |
| 23:53:59 | dave_ | xstroke |
| 23:54:46 | MalteseFalcon | I just started using a better way. :) |
| 23:55:29 | MalteseFalcon | dave_: I have my iPaq networked, so I just set the display to my laptop and start mingle. Now I just edit from my laptop. :0 |
| 23:56:40 | dave_ | nods I do that on occations .. its networked atm ... but Im playing with xstroke as well |
| 23:57:45 | MalteseFalcon | MalFal needs to get a microdrive. :) (or at least get a color iPaq w/ more flash) :) |