| 00:02:14 | jg | blakangel: Gotta be able to run kids software and games. So win2k probably doesn't hack it. |
| 00:02:34 | blakangel | yea |
| 00:02:39 | blakangel | i got a win95 osr2 box |
| 00:02:40 | blakangel | upstairs |
| 00:02:42 | blakangel | to play games |
| 00:45:55 | dyllbert | Is there a reference for how to write charachters correctly? |
| 00:46:14 | blakangel | yea |
| 00:46:23 | blakangel | theres some cheat sheets |
| 00:46:24 | dyllbert | Hey man..... |
| 00:46:26 | blakangel | somewhere |
| 00:46:37 | blakangel | i printed them out |
| 00:46:38 | dyllbert | Hmmm...I'll start looking...... |
| 00:47:05 | Che_Fox | dyll: depends if you're running 0.4 or 0.5, but wiki has some pointers |
| 00:47:23 | dyllbert | .4....wiki? |
| 00:51:49 | dyllbert | Is wiki the .5 release? |
| 00:52:00 | Che_Fox | wiki is the faq on www.familiar.org |
| 00:52:02 | blakangel | wiki is like a documentation section on the website |
| 00:52:03 | Che_Fox | it's an automated thing |
| 00:55:45 | dyllbert | cool....I have been looking at xscribble for docs on the charachter mapping. |
| 00:59:19 | efferfax | hello |
| 01:00:08 | efferfax | Anyone know anything about using the ACM driver under linux to communicate with the iPaq over the usb connection? |
| 01:06:11 | dyllbert | Okay, I am not getting anywere searching for this stuff. |
| 01:06:29 | dyllbert | Is there a handwriting trainer built into familiar 0.4? |
| 01:06:29 | blakangel | what |
| 01:06:42 | blakangel | thres some xstroke-help package |
| 01:07:02 | dyllbert | hmmmm....I will try to find it..... |
| 01:09:37 | Che_Fox | dyllbert: it's all in wiki.. |
| 01:09:45 | Che_Fox | I'll find a URL for you |
| 01:10:33 | dyllbert | I am a pain in the ass....thanks for the help..... |
| 01:10:35 | Che_Fox | http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/How to use xscribble |
| 01:10:57 | Che_Fox | I found that by going to www.handhelds.org, then clicking FAQ, then Miscellaneous, then How to use xscribble |
| 01:11:03 | Che_Fox | not very hard :P |
| 01:11:37 | blakangel | i practice xstroke |
| 01:11:39 | blakangel | while ima t work |
| 01:11:41 | blakangel | i write the abc's |
| 01:11:42 | blakangel | etc |
| 01:11:45 | blakangel | im gettin good |
| 01:11:52 | blakangel | need to memorize all teh symbols tho |
| 01:13:29 | dyllbert | Thanks...I guess my logic did not work. I wend to handhelds.org then familiar and never found it. |
| 01:13:59 | dyllbert | I even tried wiki.handhelds.org and www.handhelds.org/wiki/ |
| 01:53:59 | dyllbert | Here is the site for handwriting recongnition http://robert.watkins.net/strokes.png |
| 01:54:25 | dyllbert | I have not figured out a handwriting command for a <enter> |
| 01:55:16 | Che_Fox | stroke from top right to lower left |
| 01:55:20 | Sparky009 | hmm... is there any good reason why my fstab would be substantially different from my mounts? |
| 01:57:17 | | Efferfax: i'm not following you... |
| 01:57:17 | Efferfax | ibot version |
| 01:57:31 | Efferfax | Fine then. Don't. |
| 02:30:45 | Efferfax | Thank you all for your help. But I must leave now. |
| 03:27:48 | sgodsell | is away: I have got to go! |
| 03:27:52 | DragonEagle | is away: just away |
| 03:28:08 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 00:00:01) |
| 03:34:08 | a7r | hahaha |
| 03:34:10 | a7r | this movie kicks ass. |
| 03:34:36 | DragonEagle | a7r: what ya watchin? |
| 03:34:41 | blakangel | im watching 13th warrior |
| 03:34:43 | a7r | Best of Show |
| 03:34:50 | a7r | er IN |
| 03:35:15 | DragonEagle | blakangel: you know what the base story is? |
| 03:35:24 | DragonEagle | a7r: cool |
| 03:35:52 | blakangel | yes |
| 03:35:59 | DragonEagle | cool |
| 03:36:00 | blakangel | u mean the plot |
| 03:36:12 | DragonEagle | blakangel: no, I mean the literature it's based on |
| 03:36:23 | blakangel | oh |
| 03:36:23 | blakangel | no |
| 03:36:29 | blakangel | was it michael crichton |
| 03:36:29 | a7r | DragonEagle: what always pissed me off by the movie is the fact they totally sped past the introduction to the story. |
| 03:36:31 | blakangel | eaters of the dead |
| 03:36:43 | DragonEagle | check for coralarys with bauwuf |
| 03:36:48 | DragonEagle | ooh bad spelling |
| 03:36:52 | blakangel | hmm |
| 03:39:00 | Sparky009 | hmm |
| 03:39:18 | Sparky009 | what do I need to get mingle working properly? ... I got the libs it requested... but now it's asking for a module gtk... |
| 03:39:26 | a7r | you need PyGtk. |
| 03:39:41 | Sparky009 | I just uninstall... goddamnit |
| 03:41:38 | Sparky009 | a7r: any clue on how to use NAT with my ppp connection to my ipaq (in windows) :)? |
| 03:41:47 | a7r | in Windows? |
| 03:41:48 | a7r | no clue. |
| 03:41:57 | Sparky009 | damned |
| 03:42:07 | blakangel | sparky |
| 03:42:16 | blakangel | you need win2k server |
| 03:42:19 | blakangel | to do NAT |
| 03:42:28 | blakangel | win2k pro and below only hav ICS |
| 03:42:29 | Sparky009 | NAT is internet connection sharing |
| 03:42:32 | Sparky009 | yeah |
| 03:42:35 | blakangel | and it doesnt work if your using PPP over serial pot |
| 03:42:35 | blakangel | no |
| 03:42:36 | Sparky009 | ICS == NAT |
| 03:42:37 | blakangel | ICS and nat are diff |
| 03:42:39 | blakangel | NO |
| 03:42:46 | blakangel | install win2k advanced sever |
| 03:42:49 | Sparky009 | well, damned... in 98SE ICS is NAT |
| 03:42:51 | blakangel | ics is some gay proxy |
| 03:43:03 | Sparky009 | I was told that ICS in 2k was actually proxy... |
| 03:43:08 | blakangel | yes |
| 03:43:11 | blakangel | i use win2k at work |
| 03:43:13 | Sparky009 | it worked so well though that I wasn't really able to tell |
| 03:43:14 | blakangel | thats all i know |
| 03:43:17 | blakangel | but |
| 03:43:23 | blakangel | it wont do ics |
| 03:43:25 | blakangel | on the serial pot |
| 03:43:30 | blakangel | only on modem/lan |
| 03:43:35 | blakangel | pissed me off |
| 03:43:39 | Sparky009 | yep, noticed that... lame |
| 03:43:41 | blakangel | so i started bringing my fbsd laptop |
| 03:43:44 | blakangel | to work |
| 03:44:26 | Sparky009 | ... that's thoroughly lame |
| 03:44:55 | blakangel | yes |
| 03:45:02 | blakangel | all the third party NAT software i downloaded |
| 03:45:08 | blakangel | wouldnt work w/ serial connection either |
| 03:45:09 | Sparky009 | JEEZ, how many freaking depends does mingle have?! |
| 03:45:17 | Sparky009 | that sucks... |
| 03:45:24 | Sparky009 | only way is ipchains then :P |
| 03:46:15 | Sparky009 | stupid df... |
| 03:46:21 | blakangel | i use freebsd |
| 03:46:25 | Sparky009 | hey a7r... any idea why df would be aborting on me? |
| 03:46:55 | a7r | Sparky009: no, that's a bad thing. |
| 03:47:11 | blakangel | Sparky009: you have to be nice to your ipaq, pet it and talk to it nicely-1 |
| 03:47:13 | Sparky009 | a7r: I assumed that.... |
| 03:47:20 | Sparky009 | but I haven't got a clue why it would do that... |
| 03:48:56 | Sparky009 | so, I haven't got any clear indication on the amount of flash space/ram space I have left :( |
| 03:54:31 | Sparky009 | in ipaqstat, is the percentage display used or free? |
| 04:11:27 | Sparky009 | a7r: module named pwd, needed for scream? ... pwd? |
| 04:17:13 | MalteseFalcon | ar7: Can I ask a quickie about the bootlldr |
| 04:17:34 | a7r | yeah. |
| 04:18:07 | MalteseFalcon | ar7: (I'm meant the osloader) |
| 04:18:37 | MalteseFalcon | ar7: I see there are 2 options under tools: save to files.. and save to gz.. |
| 04:19:09 | MalteseFalcon | ar7: Is save to gz.. a new option that does the same as save to files.. but compresses things? |
| 04:19:48 | a7r | which bootldr? |
| 04:21:20 | MalteseFalcon | ar7: I'm sorry.... OSloader 1.5.4 |
| 04:24:51 | a7r | oh.. hmm, I haven't tried that yet. |
| 04:27:38 | MalteseFalcon | ar7: OK.. I'm doing it the traditional way, just thought I'd try to move saves along a little faster. :) |
| 04:28:19 | a7r | you might test it, pull it down, gunzip it, and verify the MD5. |
| 04:28:44 | MalteseFalcon | Good idea |
| 04:34:19 | Sparky009 | a7r: any idea what pwd (module?) is? |
| 04:51:05 | mirov | Good evening (for me at least). How can I enable DHCP on familiar? My Ipaq is up with 802.11b as well as with a PCMCIA ethernet card. I'd like to use DHCP though so things work a bit better when I take it to work. |
| 05:59:06 | MalteseFalcon | ar7: I'm installing Familiar .5 on a 3600 and ran into a mistake on the how-to |
| 05:59:59 | MalteseFalcon | ar7: It says set linuxargs "noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock/2 init=/linuxrc console=ttySA0" |
| 06:00:05 | a7r | MalteseFalcon: I'm only going to respond if you type my nick correctly. |
| 06:00:36 | MalteseFalcon | a7r: Ooops, please forgive me... a terrible mistake |
| 06:00:54 | | ...but maltesefalcon is a looser!... |
| 06:00:54 | MalteseFalcon | ibot: MalteseFalcon is a schmuck! |
| 06:01:14 | a7r | what's the problem with the guide? |
| 06:02:14 | MalteseFalcon | a7r: Anyway, in the "Set boot params" section, linuxargs: root should be = to /dev/mtdblock/1 |
| 06:03:06 | MalteseFalcon | a7r: The how-to says: set linuxargs "noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock/2 init=/linuxrc console=ttySA0" |
| 06:04:15 | MalteseFalcon | a7r: Otherwise... everything worked like a charm! (so far) |
| 06:05:36 | MalteseFalcon | a7r: Also... is seemd like everytime I run ipkg for the first time, I always get: /usr/bin/ipkg: cannot open /etc/ipkg.conf: no such file |
| 06:06:15 | MalteseFalcon | I've always just touched thei file and it seemed to work afterwards, but can't it just be installed with the package? |
| 06:17:15 | | rumour has it v0.5 is in the planning stages.. I'm planning on forking from v0.4 sometime this weekend |
| 06:17:15 | MalteseFalcon | ibot: v0.5 |
| 06:17:26 | | a7r: I forgot v0.5 |
| 06:17:26 | a7r | ibot: forget v0.5 |
| 06:17:58 | | OK, a7r. |
| 06:17:58 | a7r | ibot: v0.5 is currently in pre-release, and is almost complete. Check out: http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/install/H3600/install.html |
| 06:18:01 | MalteseFalcon | a7r: Hmmm... how am I supposed to interpret _that_ move? |
| 06:18:38 | MalteseFalcon | a7r: OK... that's better. I just got my 2625, and I'd kinda like ot get this thing up and running. :) |
| 06:19:39 | MalteseFalcon | a7r: Can I make a few more suggestions on the v0.5 how-to? |
| 06:21:38 | MalteseFalcon | s/2625/3635 |
| 06:21:57 | a7r | MalteseFalcon: I'm still missing the first problem you had with linuxargs.. |
| 06:23:53 | MalteseFalcon | a7r: OK.. I was following the instruction, and got down to the section: Setting bootldr's Parameters |
| 06:24:33 | MalteseFalcon | a7r: One of the params you have listed is: set linuxargs "noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock/2 init=/linuxrc console=ttySA0" |
| 06:26:12 | MalteseFalcon | a7r: I did that and I ended up with a kernel panic message about not finding the kernel |
| 06:27:08 | MalteseFalcon | a7r: So I change my bootparams to: set linuxargs "noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock/1 init=/linuxrc console=ttySA0" |
| 06:27:28 | a7r | MalteseFalcon: which bootloader are you using? |
| 06:27:44 | MalteseFalcon | a7r: and it then booted fine |
| 06:28:12 | MalteseFalcon | a7r: 2.16.15 (ooops... I guess I forgot to mention that) |
| 06:28:27 | MalteseFalcon | a7r: OK... my faux pas! |
| 06:28:37 | a7r | nod. |
| 06:29:04 | MalteseFalcon | a7r: Fair enough... but can I bring up a couple of other suggestions? |
| 06:29:10 | a7r | sure. |
| 06:29:47 | MalteseFalcon | a7r: 1) please add ae or vim to the task-bootstrap? (or which) |
| 06:30:00 | a7r | it's in bootstrap |
| 06:31:01 | MalteseFalcon | a7r: Really... OK. (hence the "which" suggestion) :) |
| 06:31:45 | MalteseFalcon | a7r: Fair enough, I'll find it. Can you also add the usbnet module with the other network modules in bootstrap? |
| 06:33:16 | MalteseFalcon | a7r: Which one is in there: ae or vim... and where is it? |
| 06:33:23 | a7r | it's just ``vi''. |
| 06:34:18 | MalteseFalcon | Where... I checked /bin /usr/bin /sbin and /usr/sbin? |
| 18:11:03 | Ng | any clues what this means: |
| 18:11:06 | Ng | Chip not ready for buffer write. Xstatus = 280028, status = a800a8 |
| 18:11:06 | Ng | Write of 3125 bytes at 0x00461634 failed. returned 0, retlen 0 |
| 18:11:06 | Ng | Not marking the space at 0x00461634 as dirty because the flash driver returned retlen zero |
| 18:11:06 | Ng | Error writing new dnode: -5 |
| 18:11:45 | nikos | Ng: Ask jamey |
| 18:11:46 | blakangel | hmm |
| 18:12:00 | nikos | Ng: Or dwmw2 might know as well. |
| 18:12:15 | Ng | nikos: they likely to be on #handhelds.org or #ipaq? |
| 18:12:25 | nikos | Ng: #handhelds.org |
| 18:12:28 | Ng | ta |
| 18:57:20 | Kero | a7r: already a release date planned for 0.5? |
| 19:39:41 | DragonEagle | a7r: you around? |
| 19:39:48 | silverblue | How much problem is it to get an X application using gtk+ to work in an Ipaq and what´s the easiest approach to the application running? As I understand, the gtk+ libraries are not ported for the Ipaq yet.. |
| 19:40:31 | DragonEagle | silverblue: the only real problem is with windowsize, and the libs are not only ported, but required for familiar |
| 19:41:00 | sjohnson | silverblue: GTK is standard for Familiar installs. |
| 19:42:53 | | a7r was last seen on #handhelds.org 1 hours, 15 minutes and 40 seconds ago, saying: no worries. [Mon Oct 29 18:27:13 2001] |
| 19:42:53 | DragonEagle | ibot seen a7r |
| 19:43:59 | silverblue | It is? So what are the gtk projects in Sourceforge for? |
| 19:45:03 | sjohnson | silverblue: Which SourceForge? sourceforge.net? |
| 19:46:03 | dLux | Hello |
| 19:46:16 | dLux | Has anyone tried qpe 1.5.0 pre? |
| 19:46:37 | dLux | a7r: familiar 0.5pre rocks! |
| 19:46:39 | silverblue | sjohnson: No, one of the links I have been looking at is handhelds.org/SourceForge/projects/squashedgtk/ . |
| 19:47:41 | sjohnson | Those libraries are already in familiar pre0.5 release. There are a patched GTK+ for widgets to take up less screen real estate. |
| 19:47:54 | DragonEagle | dLux: please stop poking me |
| 19:48:21 | dLux | DragonEagle: Sorry. |
| 19:49:13 | silverblue | OK, thanks for all help. Seems like I will try out the pre0.5 release tomorrow.. |
| 19:49:42 | dLux | no qpe users here? |
| 19:49:58 | DragonEagle | dLux: try #handhelds.org |
| 19:50:14 | DragonEagle | sjohnson: you know much about libc and working across versions? |
| 19:50:51 | dLux | DragonEagle: Ok, trying |
| 19:50:56 | sjohnson | DragonEagle: Not really. It's been awhile since I did any serious C coding. |
| 19:51:12 | DragonEagle | hmmm, know what happend to a7r? |
| 19:51:20 | DragonEagle | he probably has the files that I need |
| 19:51:44 | Kero | DragonEagle: there have been pthread issues until at least glibc 2.1; otherwise, I don't know. |
| 19:51:54 | nikos | DragonEagle: a7r prefers email. |
| 19:52:57 | DragonEagle | Kero: here's the issue I have: the familiar libc version is 2.2.3 the dev libs I have to go with it are version 2.1.3 what potential issues is my dev environement going to have? |
| 19:53:43 | DragonEagle | specifically I'm talking about the files in /usr/lib |
| 19:54:37 | sjohnson | DragonEagle: Generally C library are upwardly compatible. You shouldn't have have any problems developing in 2.1.3 and running in 2.2.3. |
| 19:55:08 | DragonEagle | ok, so if I'm using those files and linking to libc-2.2.3 there still shouldn't be any probs |
| 19:55:10 | DragonEagle | ? |
| 19:56:18 | sjohnson | Correct. General peoepl run into problems whene linking to a higher level and running against a low version. |
| 19:57:01 | DragonEagle | ok, I'll set this up, call it a kludge and e-mail a7r to see if he's willing to send me the correct files so I can do it right later |
| 19:57:02 | DragonEagle | :) |
| 20:58:20 | jamey | ipkg is giving me a headache. I think we need to use chroot to run the postinst scripts when option_offline is specified. |
| 20:58:37 | Efferfax | Hello |
| 20:58:43 | a7r | hey.. |
| 21:00:22 | jamey | hey Efferfax, what was that question about flash warranty's about? |
| 21:01:31 | blakangel | hi |
| 21:01:42 | nikos | jamey: What problem are you having? |
| 21:01:44 | jamey | a7r: some of the remaining nits with familiar 0.5 are because postinst scripts are not getting applied to task-bootstrap |
| 21:01:58 | nikos | jamey: That's what install_pending is for. |
| 21:02:18 | nikos | jamey: Does this affect a large number of packages? |
| 21:02:18 | a7r | jamey: yeah, there're ordering problems that I need to look at (e.g. gtk-menu).. |
| 21:02:58 | nikos | a7r: Wouldn't getting ipkg to install dependencies first fix a lot of things? |
| 21:03:07 | a7r | yup. |
| 21:03:32 | jamey | I believe that requires a topological sort of the packages |
| 21:04:05 | a7r | yup.. it's slated for the C version of ipkg.. |
| 21:04:15 | a7r | which might just become a Python version of ipkg. |
| 21:05:02 | jamey | a python version would be easier to write but would grow task-bootstrap significantly |
| 21:05:21 | a7r | only 200k. |
| 21:05:38 | jamey | that's not so bad |
| 21:05:52 | a7r | considering things like PPP and whatnot need to get thrown in. |
| 21:06:16 | jamey | has anyone started on C or python versions of ipkg? |
| 21:06:20 | a7r | which brings up another issue I need to get done in the next couple of days,.. deciding which images are getting released. |
| 21:06:27 | jamey | how about adding associative arrays to ash? :) |
| 21:06:43 | a7r | I've started a Python version.. cworth was considering using some of the existing dpkg code in busybox. |
| 21:07:01 | jamey | a7r: is it in CVS? |
| 21:07:11 | jamey | cworth has been missing in action lately |
| 21:07:12 | a7r | but regardless, I think we're screwed for this release.. |
| 21:07:20 | a7r | jamey: yeah, he's busy as hell. |
| 21:07:22 | jamey | a7r: I agree about that |
| 21:07:32 | nikos | jamey: He's not using IRC< but readily available via email I think. |
| 21:07:43 | jamey | I'll touch base with him |
| 21:08:11 | jamey | so we need to fix the order of packages in dependence lists to make it come out right? |
| 21:08:26 | a7r | yup. |
| 21:08:36 | jamey | the release candidate seems pretty good |
| 21:08:54 | blakangel | is hh10 the RC? |
| 21:09:00 | jamey | hh10 is the kernel in the RC |
| 21:09:03 | a7r | jamey: cvs://h0.handhelds.org/familiar/dists/ipkg/src/ipkg.py <- more of a framework than anything right now. |
| 21:15:33 | Efferfax | jamey: Sorry for the latency, but I was away from my compuer. My original question was; does the Compaq warranty that comes with the iPaq cover the Flash memory, as in, if I run out of burn cycles will compaq replace the flash, or is that now the responsibility of the consumer? |
| 21:17:23 | jamey | Efferfax: just wondering if you had a pressing need for flash to be fixed or if it was a longterm concern |
| 21:40:58 | nikos | jamey: Do you have any ideas on the flashing problems people have with the 3670 and 3660 models? hobu in #ipaq is having a terrible time. |
| 23:08:07 | sgodsell | is back (gone 07:08:40) |
| 23:33:30 | DaveH | hey folks |
| 23:43:05 | | a7r was last seen on #handhelds.org 42 minutes and 44 seconds ago, saying: EGg0: cool. [Mon Oct 29 23:00:21 2001] |
| 23:43:05 | DaveH | ibot seen a7r |
| 23:43:46 | sgodsell | is away: upgrading to kernel 2.4.13 with TV updates |
| 23:43:58 | a7r | DaveH: hey.. |
| 23:44:13 | DaveH | a7r: I think it was you who pointed me to the how to convert you USB cradle to dual serial web page ... Well Ive got the soldering iron out wish me luch ;-> |
| 23:44:33 | DaveH | + |
| 23:44:59 | blakangel | good luck |
| 23:44:59 | a7r | cool. |
| 23:45:09 | blakangel | too tough for my soldering skills |
| 23:45:20 | blakangel | i drove to best buy and spent 20 bux |
| 23:45:26 | blakangel | and i broke my usb cradle |
| 23:45:27 | blakangel | heh |
| 23:46:03 | DaveH | whats the best way to feen the new cable in ... drill it ? |
| 23:46:22 | blakangel | yea i thnk |
| 23:47:10 | DaveH | I should be able to solder it ok .. used to do that for a living ... |
| 23:48:00 | pattieja | is away: home |
| 23:49:55 | DaveH | blackangle .. Had to go out and buy an iron as well ... Only moved to the US 1y ago and havent go arround to getting that stuff yet |
| 23:50:13 | blakangel | ic |
| 23:51:28 | DaveH | how much did a new cradle cost you ... just getting forwearned ;-> |
| 23:52:23 | blakangel | hmm |
| 23:52:25 | blakangel | i didnt buy one |
| 23:52:31 | blakangel | but i think they are 30-40 dollars |
| 23:52:36 | blakangel | i just bought a serial cable |
| 23:52:37 | blakangel | for 20 bux |
| 23:53:32 | DaveH | how did you break it short ? |
| 23:53:38 | blakangel | nah |
| 23:53:44 | blakangel | lost the screws and some pieces |
| 23:53:46 | blakangel | thats all |
| 23:54:18 | blakangel | i dunno what i did with them |
| 23:54:20 | DaveH | Grins thats the sorta thing ill do you watch |
| 23:54:54 | blakangel | eheh |
| 23:54:55 | blakangel | yea |
