| 05:23:11 | mirov | Good eveing. Is the skiffcluster down ? I can ping them but not telnet in... |
| 13:39:30 | torsten | hellow everybody |
| 13:39:50 | nikos | Hello torsten |
| 13:40:46 | torsten | i want to buy an ipaq 3660 (16 mb rom) and want to use familiar instead of M$-shit |
| 13:41:12 | torsten | now my question: how much rom-space is left for my apps and data after installing familiar ? |
| 13:42:14 | nikos | torsten: That's no easy question to answer, Familiar is not a fixed image, it's a base image that you then use to install packages. So the space used is entirely up to the user. |
| 13:42:46 | torsten | nikos: i know that.. but how much space is needed for the base-familiar ? |
| 13:43:00 | torsten | nikos: like kernel, loader, X, shell and ssh (roughly) |
| 13:43:09 | nikos | torsten: That's not the base. |
| 13:43:17 | nikos | torsten: The base is much less than that. |
| 13:43:28 | torsten | nikos: i know.. but thats the base i need ;-) |
| 13:43:51 | nikos | torsten: But as an estimate, I wouldn't be on having much more than 2MB after a reasonably complete install. |
| 13:43:56 | nikos | s/be/bet/ |
| 13:44:11 | torsten | nikos: oh... thats a pity :-( |
| 13:44:33 | torsten | nikos: because i dont want the CF / PC-Card Extension (making the ipaq to fat) |
| 13:45:10 | torsten | nikos: so it would be better to buy the ipaq 3700 with 32 mb-rom ? |
| 13:46:09 | torsten | nikos: its 100 $ more than the 3660 |
| 13:46:25 | nikos | torsten: Yes, but Familiar on the 3700s and above have been little tested, so you would be something of a guinea pig. |
| 13:47:16 | torsten | nikos: is the 37xx incompatible to the 36xx ? |
| 13:49:29 | nikos | torsten: We believe so, but there seem to be problems with the version of WinCE on the 3700s sometimes getting in the way of installation. Again, my main point is that none of the core developers have anything other than 3600s to test, and only a few users have so far reported success. I recommend reading the mailing list archives. |
| 13:50:00 | torsten | nikos: ok.. i'll do ! |
| 13:50:10 | torsten | nikos: thanks so far... |
| 13:50:33 | torsten | nikos: ahh one thing ! |
| 13:51:13 | torsten | nikos: are the 64 mb ram "real" ram or ram like the palm-ram that holds the data even in sleep-mode ? |
| 13:51:22 | pattieja | is away: I'm busy |
| 13:51:43 | pattieja | is back (gone 00:00:03) |
| 13:52:43 | nikos | torsten: Nothing is lost when you sleep. We do have a RAM filesystem that will use part of RAM. That will be lost on reset or reboot though. We are working on having that saved across reboots, but not resets. |
| 13:53:42 | torsten | nikos: cool.... ! |
| 13:55:06 | torsten | nikos: so its 2 mb for my ultra-important data (in the rom) and some megs for my contacts and calendar in the ram, because they are backed up in my PC ? |
| 13:56:26 | nikos | torsten: Again, that's just an estimate. You can affect that a lot simply by your choice of what to install. But that is certainly doable yes. |
| 13:57:11 | nikos | torsten: Please understand though, there isn't a whole lot in the way of PIM applications yet though. |
| 13:58:02 | torsten | nikos: i know that... but the contacts and calendar are ASCII Files :-) |
| 13:58:24 | nikos | torsten: :) |
| 13:58:29 | torsten | this is everything i need.. and some thing of vi / less :-) |
| 13:59:41 | nikos | torsten: We have both vim and less. And I have an xjed package if you prefer emacs-style. |
| 14:00:04 | torsten | nikos: are the plans to port existing programs (like ical for example ) or are you planning to build pim-apps from scratch ? |
| 14:01:37 | nikos | torsten: Totally up to each developer, applications are not Familiar policy. |
| 14:02:45 | torsten | nikos: ah ok... do you have any good weblinks for me (i know handhelds.org) |
| 14:03:33 | nikos | torsten: http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/ http://familiar.handhelds.org |
| 14:04:23 | torsten | nikos: thanks ! i'll surf a littl bit |
| 14:54:38 | nikos | is away: erranfs |
| 14:54:40 | nikos | is away: errands |
| 15:41:43 | nikos | is back |
| 16:09:05 | Heml0ck | Greetings, I have one quick question... |
| 16:09:30 | Heml0ck | Has any work began on porting Familiar to the 3800's? |
| 16:09:41 | Heml0ck | (iPaq 3800 series that is) |
| 16:12:25 | sjohnson | is away: lunch |
| 16:15:42 | nikos | Heml0ck: I believe the CRL guys have one, I don't know if they've had time to make any progress. If you look in the mailing list archives you will find at least a couple of comments. |
| 16:16:19 | Heml0ck | Cool, thanx Nikos |
| 17:06:21 | pattieja | is away: lunch |
| 18:13:02 | pattieja | is back (gone 01:06:40) |
| 18:16:02 | sjohnson | is back (gone 02:03:37) |
| 19:12:10 | EGg0 | is away: (Going to teach my 8th graders to be as crazy as I am) |
| 20:04:10 | nikos | is away: errands |
| 21:08:03 | a7r | is away: bbl |
| 21:23:02 | nikos | is back |
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| 22:22:50 | skrewtape | man what a touchy server |
| 22:22:53 | skrewtape | heh |
| 22:23:22 | bradley | sorry jacques, in time I could suss this out, but someone who knows the device layout would be able to spot it in a second |
| 22:23:29 | bradley | I'm assuming anyway |
| 22:25:22 | jacques | wb |
| 22:25:22 | jacques | i think the server kicked you - sorry |
| 22:25:32 | jacques | anyway, shall we go back to #intimate ? |
| 22:26:02 | bradley | oops |
| 22:26:06 | nikos | LOL |
| 22:26:17 | bradley | I am so SMRT |
| 22:26:38 | sjohnson | bradley: That's "Me am so SMRT" |
| 22:27:23 | bradley | ahhh |
| 22:54:57 | EGg0_away | is back (gone 03:42:40) |
| 23:12:29 | pattieja | is away: home |
| 23:57:53 | DragonEagle | is away: dinner |