| 00:05:21 | a7r | is away: afk |
| 00:12:21 | nelson | a7r: three hour. |
| 00:37:13 | Che_Fox | Howdy folks. |
| 00:37:51 | Che_Fox | I'm in a bit of a bind. I installed Familiar without much problem after backing up WinCE. Played with it for a few weeks, enjoyed it. |
| 00:38:15 | Che_Fox | I followed the restore instructions at http://www.handhelds.org/projects/wincerestoration.html -- installed bootloader 2.16.19, reloaded my flash files, etc. |
| 00:38:28 | Che_Fox | Now when I do "boot wince" (or "help boot" or a few other commands) it says: |
| 00:38:34 | Che_Fox | booting wince... |
| 00:38:35 | Che_Fox | Disabling LCD controller |
| 00:38:40 | Che_Fox | then hangs. |
| 00:40:36 | Che_Fox | I guess I can re-load Linux on again, but I would prefer getting WinCE going again. |
| 00:44:42 | xwred1 | dont know |
| 00:45:38 | Che_Fox | Thanks. :) |
| 00:46:11 | xwred1 | np |
| 01:00:54 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 04:44:14) |
| 01:03:00 | Che_Fox | Howdy, mph. |
| 01:03:12 | mph | hi Che_Fox....how you doing ? |
| 01:03:21 | Che_Fox | Pretty good, though I think I mostly-trashed my iPaq :) |
| 01:03:31 | mph | nooo.... |
| 01:03:35 | Che_Fox | Well, it's not a brick yet. |
| 01:03:55 | mph | i've only been using ipaq for a short time, but if I can help... |
| 01:04:32 | Che_Fox | Probably not.. I just followed the re-Wince instructions at http://www.handhelds.org/projects/wincerestoration.html and now my iPaq boots to a blank screen (unless I hold in the center of the direction pad, which lets me get a serial console). |
| 01:04:38 | Che_Fox | I appreciate it though. :) |
| 01:04:59 | mph | ohh....trying to go back to wince? |
| 01:05:18 | mph | I did that a while ago....and recently came back to linux |
| 01:05:37 | mph | if I remember correctly....had no problems |
| 01:05:48 | Che_Fox | Which method did you take? |
| 01:06:06 | mph | to restore...I used hyper term. if that's what you mean |
| 01:06:19 | Che_Fox | I followed the most recent instructions at that URL; upgraded bootloader to 2.16.19, uploaded old flash via minicom with xmodem one file at a time. |
| 01:06:32 | Che_Fox | Did you over-write the flash at 0x0 as well? |
| 01:06:40 | mph | and each file succeeded? |
| 01:06:42 | Che_Fox | The latest instructions suggest to use the Linux bootloader to boot Windows |
| 01:06:46 | Che_Fox | Yes, they all succeeded no problem. |
| 01:07:14 | mph | did you check the md5 hash on each file as well? |
| 01:07:22 | mph | just to be safe |
| 01:07:29 | Che_Fox | Yep. |
| 01:07:30 | Che_Fox | They're fine. |
| 01:07:40 | Che_Fox | I'm running Japanese WinCE, for what it's worth. :) |
| 01:08:39 | mph | hmmm....don't know how much diff. it would be |
| 01:09:04 | Che_Fox | It's not, unless the CRL bootloader can't handle non-English wince. |
| 01:09:09 | Che_Fox | which I dunno about. |
| 01:09:43 | mph | that would seem strange to me....i mean all your doing is flashing bytes...no? |
| 01:10:05 | Che_Fox | Yeah, odd, eh? |
| 01:10:22 | Che_Fox | But alas, my compaq is less than useful now. |
| 01:10:48 | mph | when I first picked up the IPAQ.... |
| 01:11:01 | mph | also went to linux, and back to wince...because lack of time... |
| 01:11:33 | mph | guess I'm still just as busy at work, but don't care about sync'ing meetings at this poing ;) |
| 01:11:35 | mph | point |
| 01:11:50 | Che_Fox | Yeah, exactly.. |
| 01:12:05 | Che_Fox | I would love to run Linux on my iPaq, but I really need a PDA, not a portable checkers/solitaire machine :) |
| 01:12:20 | Che_Fox | I don't have time to write to-do, address book, etc. programs |
| 01:12:31 | mph | did you try qpe? |
| 01:12:40 | Che_Fox | qpe? |
| 01:12:55 | mph | yeah....oh...I think it still has some work, but it is very good comparable to wince |
| 01:13:03 | mph | can even rotate the screen |
| 01:13:22 | mph | which wince doesn't do |
| 01:13:33 | Che_Fox | ah, installs on top of 0.4? (0.5 can rotate the screen btw. :) |
| 01:13:59 | mph | yes on top of .4 or .5....it's QT's embedded palmtop |
| 01:14:03 | mph | qpe.sourceforge.net |
| 01:14:24 | mph | no need to have X... |
| 01:14:46 | Che_Fox | nice |
| 01:14:52 | mph | yes very! |
| 01:15:05 | mph | in fact...was in book store on Sat...and took notes with it.... |
| 01:15:20 | mph | the hw is very similar to wince's hw |
| 01:15:32 | mph | hw (hand writing) |
| 01:15:43 | mph | and some other nice bells and whistles I liked |
| 01:16:18 | Che_Fox | OK, I will play with qpe, didn't know about it. It looks good! |
| 01:16:34 | Che_Fox | I also played with Melon, which was pretty good. |
| 01:16:37 | mph | ohh...wait till you see how "snappy" it is...wow! |
| 01:16:51 | Che_Fox | Melon is nice for Japanese input, which I don't 100% need, but would like |
| 01:17:05 | mph | if you would like a brief "install" howto...I wrote a small one up on getting qpe on... |
| 01:17:12 | mph | overcome the two small issues I faced |
| 01:17:39 | mph | haven't seen Melon yet |
| 01:18:19 | Che_Fox | sure! |
| 01:19:03 | mph | whew...been awhile on this dcc ;)...give me a sec |
| 01:19:38 | Che_Fox | Here's some screenshots. |
| 01:19:39 | Che_Fox | http://www.sikigami.com/sgApr26shot.html |
| 01:20:53 | mph | btw...I just double checked...Japanese I18n support is there |
| 01:20:59 | mph | not sure how much that would help you |
| 01:21:29 | mph | that does look nice! |
| 01:21:37 | mph | what device is it developed for? |
| 01:21:45 | Che_Fox | ipaq :) |
| 01:21:55 | Che_Fox | it installs on top of familiar 0.4 |
| 01:21:56 | mph | wow...that is a wide pic on bottom, no? |
| 01:21:59 | mph | wow! |
| 01:22:04 | Che_Fox | Yeah, I think that's running on a different arm device |
| 01:22:07 | mph | even more flavors than I knew of |
| 01:22:14 | mph | oh, ok...larger lcd |
| 01:22:39 | mph | haven't played with it yet, but qt is suppose to have a virtual emulator, I think? |
| 01:22:41 | Che_Fox | mph: Japanese i18n "support" and "working" are two different things ;) |
| 01:22:45 | Che_Fox | Japanese input with a pen is fucking hard |
| 01:22:55 | Che_Fox | I don't know anything about it |
| 01:23:07 | mph | Che_Fox: let me know if it's supported or works ;) |
| 01:23:23 | mph | I bet it is...hard |
| 01:23:47 | Che_Fox | mph: do you have any links to information on the japanese support in qte? |
| 01:24:36 | mph | hmm....no I'm sorry...but you can always check the mailing list... |
| 01:25:01 | mph | http://qt-interest.trolltech.com/ |
| 01:26:54 | mph | whew....didn't think I had the dcc in me ;) |
| 01:27:00 | Che_Fox | --- Unable to create connection: [111] Connection refused |
| 01:27:01 | Che_Fox | :( |
| 01:27:06 | mph | oops |
| 01:28:39 | mph | still no? |
| 01:28:54 | Che_Fox | Sorry, was AFK.. still got connection refused. |
| 01:29:06 | Che_Fox | Just email it to me? :) che@debian.org |
| 01:29:15 | mph | no problem ;) |
| 01:30:23 | mph | inbox |
| 01:33:50 | Che_Fox | Ah, you did net over the serial connection? |
| 01:33:51 | Che_Fox | PPP? |
| 01:33:53 | Che_Fox | pretty slow :) |
| 01:33:58 | Che_Fox | do you know about the usb net stuff? |
| 01:34:01 | mph | no not bad at all ;) |
| 01:34:12 | mph | haven't tried the usb net stuff yet... |
| 01:34:22 | mph | what about it? |
| 01:34:28 | Che_Fox | yeah, you can do net over the USB cradle.. much faster |
| 01:34:50 | mph | hmmm....haven't seen that |
| 01:34:55 | mph | or info on it |
| 01:34:58 | Che_Fox | thinks |
| 01:35:11 | | usbnet is, like, at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking |
| 01:35:11 | sjohnson | ibot: usbnet |
| 01:35:22 | Che_Fox | http://dredd.crimea.edu/ipaq/ipaq-usb-howto.html |
| 01:35:26 | Che_Fox | yeah, or that. |
| 01:35:32 | Che_Fox | Howdy sjohnson. |
| 01:35:35 | mph | btw....i've been on the dsl and t1's that believe it or not this is the first ppp I set up under linux in a long time....and since I started using debian |
| 01:35:43 | sjohnson | Che_Fox: H |
| 01:35:46 | sjohnson | Che_Fox: Hi |
| 01:35:47 | Che_Fox | heh, congrats, mph. |
| 01:35:50 | mph | sjohnson...hello....you never cease to amaze me ;) |
| 01:36:04 | mph | well....my question regarding ppp |
| 01:36:20 | mph | where is the _proper_ place to put a route line? |
| 01:36:46 | sjohnson | mph: What type of network connection? |
| 01:36:53 | mph | ppp on ipaq |
| 01:37:01 | mph | /etc/network/interfaces (doesn't seem so) |
| 01:37:15 | mph | /etc/ppp/peers? |
| 01:37:18 | sjohnson | mph: Add 'defaultroute' to /etc/ppp/options. |
| 01:37:49 | sjohnson | pppd will add the other end of the connection as the default route |
| 01:39:12 | mph | trying it.... I had to add 'route add default gw 192.168.1.100' each time I connected and ssh'd in ;) |
| 01:39:25 | mph | knew there was a way...but wanted to use correct way... |
| 01:39:50 | mph | again sjohnson....I owe you...your keeping my tab right? |
| 01:40:13 | sjohnson | mph: undoubtly |
| 01:40:31 | mph | ;) |
| 01:40:51 | | well, usbnet is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking |
| 01:40:51 | mph | ibot: usbnet |
| 01:41:17 | mph | and my usb cradle is at work :( |
| 01:42:03 | Che_Fox | usbnet works pretty well |
| 01:42:06 | | thanks Che_Fox :) |
| 01:42:06 | Che_Fox | ibot, botsnack |
| 01:42:07 | sjohnson | is away: shower, BIAB |
| 01:43:40 | mph | does that bot know of Asimov's three law's? |
| 01:44:26 | nelson | mph: no, it doesn't. It would gladly kill you if it could. |
| 01:44:53 | mph | i will be carefull! |
| 01:47:43 | mph | ?? have a d-link 650 laying around...i assume the ipaq wouldn't work because it's a usb slave? (if there was a linux driver, which I haven't checked) |
| 01:47:58 | mph | ohh...it's a usb/ethernet |
| 01:49:02 | DaveH | dose anyone know much about putting CF cards in PC Card sleaves .. IE do i need a converter and if so where would I get one ? |
| 01:49:34 | mph | which reminds me... |
| 01:49:38 | | mph: excuse me? |
| 01:49:38 | mph | ibot smartmedia |
| 01:52:33 | Che_Fox | Dave: you can get a converter for about US$6 at any online computer store |
| 01:53:25 | DaveH | Thanks .. |
| 01:53:39 | sjohnson | is back (gone 00:11:32) |
| 01:54:24 | DaveH | nioght folks |
| 02:23:18 | xwred1 | hey, anyone know which package I can find top and uptime in? |
| 02:25:38 | Che_Fox | procps, if it's been built |
| 02:25:47 | xwred1 | nope, installed that, didn't get either |
| 02:26:12 | xwred1 | hmm |
| 02:26:31 | xwred1 | I think procps said it would provide watch, which I also don't have even though I installed it |
| 02:27:23 | Che_Fox | They probably removed it on purpose then. |
| 02:55:25 | sjohnson_zzZz | is away: dreaming of ALS |
| 03:24:08 | a7r | is away: I'm busy |
| 03:24:16 | a7r | is back (gone 00:00:03) |
| 03:51:19 | beeblebrox | is back (gone 14:47:33) |
| 03:58:15 | DragonEagle | is away: bbiaw |
| 05:11:03 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 01:12:48) |
| 09:20:24 | a7r | is away: end of line |
| 13:29:53 | sgodsell | is back (gone 17:04:12) |
| 13:43:22 | pattieja | is back (gone 38:06:17) |
| 13:58:45 | DragonEagle | is away: school |
| 14:56:47 | mirov | Anyone awake? I did a pkg upgrade last night and now I find that my ipaq won't power off with a button press. Anyone know how to fix this? |
| 14:57:21 | bipolar | mirov: yes |
| 14:57:31 | bipolar | mirov: did you upgrade to familar .5? |
| 14:57:57 | mirov | I was at 0.5 and just grabbed some package upgrades. |
| 14:57:59 | bipolar | mirov: the hotplug ipk is busted |
| 14:58:05 | bipolar | mirov: the new one. |
| 14:58:12 | bipolar | mirov: i've got a fixed one... |
| 14:58:47 | bipolar | mirov: http://www.longbros.com/benjamin/ipaq/dist/hotplug_1.13_bipolar1_arm.ipk |
| 14:59:02 | mirov | Thanks, I'll try it! |
| 14:59:37 | bipolar | mirov: i've emailed a7r and Jamey about it. Hopefully it will get fixed. |
| 15:03:20 | mirov | Yup, works. Thanks again. BTW, how are folks working around the dead audio in the canned install ? |
| 15:03:52 | bipolar | mirov: I have not played with it. |
| 15:04:08 | bipolar | mirov: it just needs suspend/resume tweaking probbly. |
| 15:05:15 | mirov | A buddy got it going by doing this: |
| 15:05:15 | mirov | apm |
| 15:05:15 | mirov | h3600_ts |
| 15:05:16 | mirov | sa1100-rtc |
| 15:05:16 | mirov | h3600-sleeve |
| 15:05:16 | mirov | h3600_generic_sleeve |
| 15:05:17 | mirov | bitsy-uda1341 |
| 15:05:19 | mirov | h3600_backpaq |
| 15:05:21 | mirov | uda1341 |
| 15:05:23 | mirov | sa1100-audio |
| 15:05:25 | mirov | h3600-uda1341 |
| 15:05:27 | mirov | then run |
| 15:05:29 | mirov | /etc/init.d/modutils |
| 15:05:34 | mirov | Sorry, the lines need to change in /etc/modules... |
| 15:05:38 | bipolar | oh... |
| 15:05:46 | bipolar | thats a config problem then. |
| 15:05:59 | bipolar | it'll be fixed soon. |
| 15:06:10 | bipolar | perhaps you should email a7r about it? |
| 15:06:29 | mirov | OK, will do. |
| 15:59:35 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 02:00:49) |
| 16:15:02 | nelson | Anybody fixed hotplug yet in 0.5pre? |
| 16:19:15 | bipolar | nelson: yes |
| 16:19:35 | bipolar | nelson: http://www.longbros.com/benjamin/ipaq/dist/ |
| 16:21:26 | bipolar | nelson: the hotplug ipk that is there is the one that was suposed to go into the familar feed. |
| 16:22:07 | nelson | bipolar: ahhhhhh, that's much better. |
| 16:22:43 | bipolar | nelson: :) |
| 17:07:36 | a7r | is back (gone 07:47:13) |
| 20:43:31 | xwred1 | hmm... choosing to suspend the ipaq from the menu doesn't seem to do anything in v0.5 |
| 20:43:44 | a7r | that's no good. |
| 20:44:16 | xwred1 | grr |
| 20:44:24 | xwred1 | guess I have to do a shutdown -h now |
| 20:44:44 | xwred1 | or is there a console command to suspend? |
| 20:50:08 | a7r | apm -s |
| 20:50:20 | a7r | have you upgraded your hotplug? |
| 21:50:41 | sgodsell | is away: I have got to go! |
| 22:21:19 | DragonEagle | is away: bbiaf |
| 23:00:17 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 00:38:58) |