| 00:34:48 | sgodsell_nb | is away: bbiaw |
| 01:31:47 | Unbind | dump question time, if i ipkg install task-complete will it install task-x and task-mp3-player too? |
| 01:33:10 | | Unbind: huh? |
| 01:33:10 | Unbind | ibot task-complete |
| 03:33:31 | stealph | :q |
| 03:36:53 | stealph | is anyone avaliable to assist me with my NFSs problem. I've gone up and down ipaq howtos and mail list..never received the following error message before: mount:RPC:Program unavaliable .when trying to mount a share on a computer |
| 06:04:04 | cpage | which wince-bootldr file do i need for a 3100? |
| 06:32:25 | cpage | got it |
| 06:34:37 | captain | familiar looks pretty nifty |
| 06:36:02 | cpage | just about to try it myself |
| 06:36:11 | cpage | downloading the root image into my mono ipaq |
| 06:36:24 | cpage | (couldn't find a 2.15.15-bigkernel-mono img) |
| 06:38:50 | captain | do you know much about linux on handhelds? |
| 06:39:01 | cpage | not yet |
| 06:39:06 | cpage | i'm just getting started really |
| 06:39:15 | captain | ah... |
| 06:39:36 | captain | i've got an intell SA1100 board, and I'm trying to figure out how to get linux on it as of now... |
| 06:39:56 | cpage | humm |
| 06:40:02 | captain | everywhere i read it says i have to transfer the kernel over either a serial link or something on the paralell port |
| 06:40:04 | cpage | what firmware does it have? |
| 06:40:10 | cpage | yeah, using xmodem |
| 06:40:30 | captain | why not over tftp on ethernet? |
| 06:40:39 | captain | that's how you put wince images on it... |
| 06:41:06 | cpage | because that requires a lot more work in the bootloader |
| 06:41:26 | captain | i can't use the bootloader that's on it now then? |
| 06:42:40 | captain | as soon as it boots right now it starts trying to download an image over tftp... what would happen if i gave it a linux kernel instead of winCE i wonder... |
| 06:43:46 | cpage | it wouldn't work |
| 06:43:49 | cpage | the headers are different |
| 06:44:12 | captain | oh. |
| 06:44:25 | cpage | you need a bootloader that linux can definitely boot onto |
| 06:44:29 | cpage | s/onto/from |
| 06:44:50 | captain | is it hard to get the original bootloader back later on? |
| 06:44:54 | cpage | dunno |
| 06:44:57 | cpage | i haven't worked with that hw |
| 06:45:02 | captain | ah |
| 06:45:28 | captain | well... you've been a lot of help |
| 06:45:34 | captain | thanks for answering my questions |
| 06:45:53 | captain | good luck to you in your adventures |
| 06:45:59 | cpage | good luck |
| 06:46:03 | cpage | sorry i can't give more detailed help |
| 06:46:42 | captain | :) |
| 06:46:54 | captain | all i needed was some finger pointing |
| 06:47:17 | captain | hopefully i don't break this thing :P |
| 06:48:39 | captain | you go to ucsb? |
| 06:49:57 | captain | guess not... |
| 06:50:02 | captain | okay take care then |
| 07:04:33 | cpage | not i |
| 08:42:00 | FearLess | hello |
| 08:42:17 | FearLess | any one know how to get the backlight working in a ipaq H3100? |
| 14:19:59 | tailon | Hi |
| 14:22:38 | tailon | Just installed familiar, bbut I decided to try and restore wince, I saw some instaructions that said I had to be using bootldr 2_16_19 so I downloaded the file then I tried to use load bootldr from boot>. The xmodem transfer started but after it gave me error like brXSTAT error, any idea's ? |
| 14:22:56 | tailon | shuld I reboot ? |
| 14:23:14 | tailon | Just installed familiar, bbut I decided to try and restore wince, I saw some instaructions that said I had to be using bootldr 2_16_19 so I downloaded the file then I tried to use load bootldr from boot>. The xmodem transfer started but after it gave me error like brXSTAT error, any idea's ? |
| 14:23:16 | tailon | shuld I reboot ? |
| 14:25:10 | blakangel | hmm |
| 14:25:23 | blakangel | can you still get to the boot prompt |
| 14:25:32 | blakangel | if u reboot and the bootlodr is fucked up |
| 14:25:34 | blakangel | your ipaq is bricked |
| 14:25:45 | blakangel | did you check the md5 sum |
| 14:25:55 | blakangel | to make sure the bootdr u downloaded was good |
| 14:26:18 | tailon | I haven't tried rebooting yet |
| 14:30:34 | tailon | basically I tried to install a new bootldr by going to bootldr.. after the xmodem transfer I recieved the error, now I'm too scared to reboot :) |
| 14:31:07 | blakangel | hrm |
| 14:31:12 | blakangel | after the transfer completed? |
| 14:31:17 | blakangel | did you see the verifying....done |
| 14:31:23 | blakangel | then its ok |
| 14:31:26 | tailon | RXSTAT error: 00000020 This is the error I get |
| 14:31:28 | blakangel | i thnk i get that eror too |
| 14:31:29 | blakangel | yeah |
| 14:31:31 | blakangel | thats fine man |
| 14:31:33 | blakangel | i get that every time |
| 14:31:38 | blakangel | as long as it said |
| 14:31:39 | tailon | cool... thanks |
| 14:31:44 | blakangel | verifying done |
| 14:31:46 | blakangel | i thnk its ok |
| 14:31:56 | tailon | yeah verfying is done |
| 14:32:05 | blakangel | yeah |
| 14:32:07 | blakangel | then its kool |
| 14:32:16 | tailon | I find the screen very hard to read.. real little fonts |
| 14:32:42 | blakangel | yeaaa |
| 14:32:45 | blakangel | gotta install some better onse |
| 14:32:52 | blakangel | i used the post-inst ipkg |
| 14:32:58 | blakangel | and downloaded fonts from mirosoft |
| 14:33:00 | blakangel | microsoft |
| 14:35:58 | tailon | I don't have a nic just a serial.. how do I install it ? |
| 14:37:00 | bipolar_ | tailon: get a ppp connection going. |
| 14:37:12 | bipolar_ | tailon: do you have USB? |
| 14:37:22 | tailon | yeah |
| 14:37:32 | bipolar_ | tailon: cool. thats much faster |
| 14:37:33 | blakangel | i used ppp |
| 14:37:36 | blakangel | i have a unix box |
| 14:37:39 | blakangel | so i juse setup a ppp server |
| 14:37:44 | blakangel | and got it on my lan |
| 14:37:44 | tailon | cool |
| 14:37:45 | blakangel | etc |
| 14:37:48 | bipolar_ | tailon: do you have a linux box? |
| 14:37:59 | tailon | yeah |
| 14:38:08 | bipolar_ | tailon: just checking. :) |
| 14:38:25 | tailon | hey anyone ever try an use there ipaq to program a router ? |
| 14:38:35 | bipolar_ | tailon: if you run 'modprobe usbnet" on your host linux box, does it load ok? |
| 14:38:53 | bipolar_ | er... emrggency... bbl... |
| 14:38:57 | blakangel | heh |
| 14:38:58 | blakangel | bye |
| 14:40:14 | tailon | dosen't look like I have usbnet |
| 16:30:33 | FearLess | any one know how to get the backlight working in a ipaq H3100? |
| 16:58:26 | DragonEagle | /msg nickserv identify daamgeas |
| 16:58:28 | DragonEagle | doh |
| 16:58:48 | BBrox | Cool, let's all change DragonEagle's password :-à) |
| 16:59:00 | DragonEagle | BBrox: too late :) |
| 16:59:08 | BBrox | Damn |
| 16:59:33 | DragonEagle | give me a break, I'm exhausted |
| 16:59:51 | DragonEagle | 3 shifts in 2 days blah |
| 17:01:58 | cpage | bummer |
| 17:47:30 | DragonEagle | is away: need rest |
| 18:27:16 | sgodsell | is back (gone 22:36:00) |
| 18:36:08 | CraHan | hi everyone |
| 18:36:36 | CraHan | I'm one of those hesitant people that wants to install familiar on th ipaq... just have a couple of questions :) |
| 18:37:05 | CraHan | just let me know if anyone is interested... otherwise I'd be talking to the walls allnight :) |
| 18:37:15 | CraHan | no need for that |
| 18:37:18 | cpage | humm |
| 18:37:22 | cpage | i'm a newbie myself |
| 18:37:24 | CraHan | ah |
| 18:37:29 | CraHan | you install it? |
| 18:37:35 | cpage | yeah, kinda |
| 18:37:40 | cpage | the 0.4 mono barebones images |
| 18:37:44 | CraHan | and got it running ok? |
| 18:37:53 | cpage | meh-ly... i need to get qpe or x on it |
| 18:37:56 | CraHan | cause at the end of the install... you use ipkg to install packages |
| 18:38:02 | cpage | that wasn't working well for me, so... |
| 18:38:12 | cpage | i'm going to build my own images i think |
| 18:38:12 | CraHan | but doen't that need a network connection? |
| 18:38:19 | cpage | you can use ppp |
| 18:38:23 | CraHan | I only have the serial cradle... |
| 18:38:38 | cpage | i think you can rig ppp over that, or use zmodem to move the ipkg files |
| 18:38:45 | cpage | i have a cf ethernet card myself |
| 18:39:16 | CraHan | so, the barebones system is only useable with a term app? cause I don't see how you would enter chars at the prompt |
| 18:39:22 | cpage | yeah |
| 18:39:27 | cpage | you use minicom to talk to it |
| 18:39:30 | CraHan | uhuh |
| 18:40:15 | CraHan | cause honestly qpe looks alot better than the standard pocketpc os |
| 18:40:24 | cpage | yeah - and you can hack it more ;) |
| 18:40:32 | CraHan | heh |
| 18:40:38 | cpage | i've got a 3100 (mono) so ppc looks really dull |
| 18:40:39 | FearLess | yes and on a mono its upside down :)) |
| 18:40:44 | sgodsell_cant_stay_long | Hello guys |
| 18:40:51 | cpage | he |
| 18:41:03 | sgodsell_cant_stay_long | What iPAQ do you have CraHan? Model? |
| 18:41:15 | CraHan | 3650 |
| 18:41:36 | CraHan | I guess that's the 3600 range :) |
| 18:41:40 | cpage | yeah |
| 18:41:47 | sgodsell_cant_stay_long | btw if you have linux you can easily make your own images for the iPAQ. Using mkfs.jffs2 |
| 18:41:51 | cpage | cool |
| 18:41:51 | CraHan | just bought it about 2 weeks ago |
| 18:42:07 | CraHan | with the intent of installing linux |
| 18:42:08 | cpage | i've got the old cross compiler kit running (gcc 2.95.2, glibc 2.1.2) |
| 18:42:21 | cpage | i think that's new enough for practical use |
| 18:42:27 | CraHan | I read that compaq will reflash them when you render them useless |
| 18:42:31 | cpage | yeah, they will |
| 18:42:37 | CraHan | but I live in belgium |
| 18:42:45 | CraHan | so I would have to send it to the us? |
| 18:42:49 | cpage | dunno |
| 18:42:53 | CraHan | i'll call em up |
| 18:43:01 | CraHan | or email |
| 18:43:02 | cpage | it's a pretty easy/safe procedure if you do your homework |
| 18:43:16 | CraHan | i've read the familiar docs |
| 18:43:22 | cpage | compaq themselves have worked on the bootldr and such |
| 18:43:23 | sgodsell_cant_stay_long | Well just use the osloader version 1.5.4 |
| 18:43:37 | CraHan | but the installation of the bootloader is about 2.14.15 |
| 18:43:43 | CraHan | and familiar needs 2.14.5 |
| 18:43:49 | CraHan | do I install the .15 first |
| 18:43:50 | cpage | 2.14.15 is fine |
| 18:43:53 | sgodsell_cant_stay_long | Ew, too old |
| 18:43:53 | CraHan | and then the .5 |
| 18:44:05 | CraHan | too old? |
| 18:44:07 | CraHan | oh |
| 18:44:09 | cpage | although since you have a 3600 you probably want 2.6.19 so you can use familiar 0.5 |
| 18:44:17 | CraHan | is that already stable? |
| 18:44:24 | CraHan | or shouldn't I worry about that? |
| 18:44:37 | sgodsell_cant_stay_long | If you are going with familiar v0.5, then the recommended bootldr is 2.15.x or above |
| 18:44:43 | CraHan | ah ok |
| 18:45:02 | sgodsell_cant_stay_long | I have 2.16.19 on my iPAQ |
| 18:45:07 | CraHan | just a bit scared about getting all packages on the ipaq... |
| 18:45:19 | CraHan | since I would have to setup ppp with the serial cradle |
| 18:45:25 | CraHan | don't have an ethernet card |
| 18:45:45 | cpage | you can use it in serial mode once you have the bootldr in |
| 18:46:03 | CraHan | and use xmodem to bring over all the files? |
| 18:46:07 | cpage | yeah |
| 18:46:09 | sgodsell_cant_stay_long | ftp://lorien.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/bootldr/bootldr_v2_16_19 |
| 18:46:15 | CraHan | thanks sgodsell_cant_stay_long |
| 18:46:44 | CraHan | and just run ipkg from the dir the files are |
| 18:46:48 | CraHan | like dpkg on debian |
| 18:47:49 | sgodsell_cant_stay_long | CraHan: You don't use ppp until you have linux on your iPAQ |
| 18:47:55 | CraHan | k |
| 18:48:17 | CraHan | just wondering about that |
| 18:48:26 | CraHan | cause the install instructions get a bit vague at that point |
| 18:48:31 | CraHan | once the kernel is installed |
| 18:48:36 | CraHan | it kindsa gets abstract |
| 18:49:13 | CraHan | have a couple of linux boxes to use when installing |
| 18:49:15 | sgodsell_cant_stay_long | Well CraHan since you are using windows, then use hyperterm |
| 18:49:20 | CraHan | yeah |
| 18:49:30 | CraHan | I can easily change systems though |
| 18:49:37 | CraHan | have win2k or debian |
| 18:49:45 | CraHan | teraterm does serial too |
| 18:50:04 | CraHan | I tried connection the terminal now and I get clientclientclient all the time |
| 18:50:08 | CraHan | I think that should be ok |
| 18:50:12 | cpage | yeah |
| 18:50:15 | cpage | that means you have a link |
| 18:50:20 | CraHan | ok |
| 18:50:21 | cpage | but you need to use activesync to get the files over |
| 18:50:31 | cpage | keep those hypertrm settings, you'll need to use it later |
| 18:50:45 | CraHan | yeah |
| 18:51:01 | CraHan | transfer osloader.exe using activesynch |
| 18:51:04 | CraHan | and then launch taht |
| 18:51:04 | sgodsell_cant_stay_long | CraHan: Do you have any sleeves? |
| 18:51:10 | cpage | and you also need to move over the bootldr |
| 18:51:11 | CraHan | sleeves? |
| 18:51:16 | cpage | compactflash, pcmcia |
| 18:51:19 | CraHan | no |
| 18:51:23 | CraHan | just the plain ipaq |
| 18:51:28 | CraHan | 16mb rom and 32mb ram |
| 18:51:46 | CraHan | too small? |
| 18:51:59 | cpage | nope |
| 18:52:04 | cpage | that's a standard 3600 |
| 18:52:08 | CraHan | yeah |
| 18:52:24 | cpage | i'm on a mono so i only have 16/16 |
| 18:52:25 | CraHan | 3630 |
| 18:52:34 | CraHan | I said 3650 |
| 18:52:37 | CraHan | but it's a 30 |
| 18:52:39 | cpage | and it seems to work fine, familiar at least barebones isn't a ram hog |
| 18:52:47 | sgodsell_cant_stay_long | The 3630 and 3650 are the same configuration |
| 18:52:52 | CraHan | ah ok |
| 18:54:17 | CraHan | ok |
| 18:54:40 | sgodsell_cant_stay_long | cpage: you can make a custom v0.5 without a kernel |
| 18:54:44 | cpage | cool |
| 18:54:49 | cpage | i'm planning to do just that :) |
| 18:54:50 | sgodsell_cant_stay_long | cpage: But then you need a kernel partition |
| 18:54:52 | CraHan | so at which step do I cross the barrier of no return? |
| 18:55:02 | cpage | already got one since i have 0.4 in there |
| 18:55:08 | CraHan | runnong the osloader is safe? |
| 18:55:12 | cpage | yeah |
| 18:55:21 | cpage | the point of no return is when you load the bootldr into flash |
| 18:55:22 | sgodsell_cant_stay_long | Well CraHan if you get the bootldr on, you are home free ;) |
| 18:55:29 | CraHan | doing the run from file |
| 18:55:37 | cpage | the bootldr that osloader runs is only in memory |
| 18:55:46 | cpage | and you can still reboot at that point |
| 18:55:54 | CraHan | still ok... but then xmodeming the bootloader |
| 18:56:01 | CraHan | taht's when I could f*ck up... |
| 18:56:18 | cpage | yeah but it will download the whole thing first and you can check it's integrity |
| 18:56:39 | CraHan | and still abort then? |
| 18:56:45 | cpage | dunno |
| 19:11:58 | sgodsell | is away: I have got to go! |
| 19:51:16 | CraHan | hmmm |
| 19:51:17 | CraHan | ok |
| 19:51:22 | CraHan | I think I have a problem |
| 19:51:29 | CraHan | it all went well |
| 19:51:37 | CraHan | installed the bootloader |
| 19:51:40 | CraHan | 00010001 |
| 19:51:42 | CraHan | and all |
| 19:51:53 | CraHan | but when I removed the ipaq from the cradle to reset |
| 19:52:04 | CraHan | the powerled started blinking |
| 19:52:14 | CraHan | any ideas? |
| 19:52:22 | CraHan | qflash 2 gave 00010001 |
| 19:52:29 | CraHan | so it was all ok |
| 19:52:30 | cpage | the battery is being recharged i guess |
| 19:52:35 | CraHan | ok |
| 19:52:39 | CraHan | got terminal back |
| 19:52:42 | CraHan | it stopped |
| 19:52:52 | CraHan | I think it was trying to load a kernel |
| 19:53:00 | CraHan | but since there was none yet |
| 19:53:00 | CraHan | ok |
| 19:53:06 | CraHan | gonna do that now |
| 19:53:09 | CraHan | *phew* |
| 19:53:17 | CraHan | sweating for a moment |
| 19:58:04 | CraHan | so I think I'm past tha hard part right? |
| 19:58:10 | CraHan | bootloader installed |
| 19:58:13 | cpage | cool :) |
| 19:58:15 | CraHan | uploading the root now |
| 19:58:21 | CraHan | set the params too |
| 19:59:08 | CraHan | I also found on the qpe page that you can use z or xmodem to transfer the ipk files to the /tmp dir and use ipkg install name.ipk to install them |
| 19:59:17 | CraHan | so I should be able to install the system |
| 19:59:38 | CraHan | just have to make sure that the dependencies are all met |
| 20:00:04 | cpage | yeah |
| 20:09:57 | CraHan | ok |
| 20:10:06 | CraHan | we have linux :) |
| 20:10:10 | CraHan | woohoo |
| 20:10:24 | CraHan | whipes of excessive sweat |
| 20:31:51 | CraHan | ok |
| 20:31:57 | CraHan | qpe works too... |
| 20:32:18 | CraHan | sgodsell, thanks for all the help!! |
| 20:32:35 | CraHan | and cpage, you too :) |
| 20:37:59 | cpage | cool :) |
| 20:38:14 | cpage | you're welcome |
| 20:45:10 | CraHan | hey cpage |
| 20:45:14 | CraHan | can I give you a tip? |
| 20:45:18 | cpage | yeah |
| 20:45:22 | CraHan | since you were talking about installing qpe right? |
| 20:45:30 | cpage | go for it |
| 20:45:32 | CraHan | just use /usr/bin/rz |
| 20:45:35 | CraHan | works like a charm |
| 20:45:36 | cpage | cool, yeah |
| 20:45:49 | CraHan | and use zmodem on your terminal app to transfer |
| 20:46:09 | CraHan | then ipkg install name.ipk, I never could imagine it would be this easy |
| 20:46:28 | cpage | kewl |
| 21:14:26 | pattieja | is away: see you Monday |
| 21:37:21 | CraHan | hmmm |
| 21:37:25 | CraHan | small problem |
| 21:37:34 | CraHan | cannot create directory `/mnt/ramfs/tmp': File exists |
| 21:37:43 | CraHan | does anyone know what that means? |
| 21:37:57 | CraHan | it says I have an incomplete system and doesn't boot beyond that? |
| 23:39:10 | CraHan | reinstalled |