| 00:31:08 | sgodsell | is back (gone 05:23:54) |
| 00:37:43 | BlackArt | hy |
| 01:22:48 | captain | hello |
| 01:22:59 | captain | how much memory does an ipaq have? |
| 01:23:12 | a7r | depends on the iPAQ.. 16, 32, 64, 128 .. |
| 01:23:17 | a7r | most have 32. |
| 01:23:37 | captain | wow |
| 01:23:42 | captain | and flash? |
| 01:23:52 | a7r | 16 or 32. |
| 01:23:56 | a7r | most have 16. |
| 01:24:18 | captain | and the familiar team has managed to have x and bb running in it? |
| 01:24:21 | captain | amazing |
| 01:24:26 | a7r | yup. |
| 01:24:47 | captain | famailiar isn't solely aimed for the ipaq though right? |
| 01:24:57 | a7r | it's aimed for anything small and ARM, at this point. |
| 01:25:09 | captain | cool |
| 01:25:21 | captain | brb |
| 01:35:53 | captain | wants to run it on his assabet |
| 02:45:13 | greeno | Anyone help me out with getting the dual pcmcia sleeve working on familiar 0.4? |
| 02:46:03 | a7r | you should move to Familiar v0.5pre3. |
| 02:46:45 | greeno | aren't there apm etc problems with that? I was hoping to just upgrade the kernel (I heard that was possible) - though if upgrading to v0.5pre3 is the best route, I'll do that |
| 02:49:04 | sgodsell | greeno: you could easily upgrade if your kernel partition is greater than 512kb, but if not, then I would recommend going to v0.5 and installing 2.16.19 bootldr. Forget the params partition ;) |
| 02:50:15 | greeno | 2.16.19 bootldr??? Wow - thats a fair bit newer than the v2.15.15 on the v0.5 installation guide |
| 02:51:19 | a7r | Morph: What picture quality where you taking these at? |
| 02:51:28 | sgodsell | It is. It also gives you the capability to go back to CE while still using the 2.16.19 bootldr. Not to mention extra bugs taken out |
| 02:51:57 | greeno | sgodsell: coolies - I'll do that then |
| 02:52:01 | a7r | er. |
| 02:52:03 | a7r | damn it. |
| 02:52:16 | sgodsell | What is wrong a7r? |
| 02:52:48 | a7r | sgodsell: IRC client nonsense. |
| 04:00:13 | DragonEagle | is away: bbiaw |
| 04:01:10 | sgodsell | is away: I have to go |
| 05:59:17 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 01:59:04) |
| 06:06:04 | captain | hmm... do hard links work w/ jffs2? |
| 06:06:17 | a7r | yes. |
| 06:07:17 | captain | cool... is there anything distinguishable about it? like i'm assuming ownership/permissions work too, right? |
| 06:09:19 | a7r | digdude: dude. |
| 06:09:47 | DragonEagle | is away: moving power plugs and going to sleep, good night |
| 06:09:51 | digdude | a7r: d_____ude. |
| 06:10:03 | a7r | digdude: you still playing the guitar? |
| 06:10:18 | digdude | a7r: yeah, i'm a real hack at that. i pretty much suck. |
| 06:10:47 | a7r | digdude: check out this 1 minute test I just recorded: http://www.andern.org/~a7r/outgoing/music/stand_still.mp3 |
| 06:10:58 | digdude | a7r: i'm trying to pick up an acoustic so I am forced to refine my skills, cuz on my les paul, it's all feedback and massively out-of-toon power cords. |
| 06:11:58 | a7r | digdude: BTW, you want a copy of the Salamander source? |
| 06:12:08 | digdude | a7r: yeah. |
| 06:12:26 | a7r | OKay,.. let me put the repository online.. you got a handhelds.org account? |
| 06:12:34 | digdude | a7r: nope. |
| 06:12:45 | digdude | has beena real slacker lately. |
| 06:13:24 | a7r | okay, anoncvs will work till you want to commit, then I'll get you an account.. |
| 06:13:39 | digdude | nice stereo separation... |
| 06:13:59 | digdude | your vocal mic is overgained a bit. cool distortion effect. |
| 06:14:13 | a7r | dude, let me show you the mic. ;) |
| 06:14:25 | a7r | you know the mic they ship with the G3/G4 tower? ;) |
| 06:14:30 | a7r | that little translucent thing. |
| 06:14:39 | digdude | ha ha ha |
| 06:14:41 | digdude | you're kidding. |
| 06:15:35 | a7r | just testing my setup.. seems to work well. |
| 06:15:55 | digdude | it sounded pretty good. do you have a multitrack editor of some sort? |
| 06:16:07 | a7r | yeah.. logic audio. |
| 06:16:13 | captain | omg |
| 06:16:14 | digdude | oh, MacOS stuff. |
| 06:16:23 | a7r | did the guitar in 3 parts, and the vocals in 2.. |
| 06:16:24 | captain | i'm reading the jffs2 pdf... brilliant |
| 06:16:32 | DragonEagle | is away: night all |
| 06:16:44 | a7r | digdude: there's a Win32 release.. good piece of kit. |
| 06:16:55 | a7r | nine inch nails, KMFDM, .. they use it. |
| 06:17:18 | digdude | i'm looking into buying Reason, although I've never used it. I just think it looks interesting. |
| 06:17:34 | digdude | notes he doesn't have a Windows machine or a Mac that runs MacOS though... |
| 06:17:46 | a7r | digdude: i demoed one of these today: http://www.line6.com/Main/Products/ProductGroups/ProductDetails.cfm?ProductID=25 <- I think I'm gonna get one. |
| 06:18:06 | a7r | ah, reason.. propeller heads are cool. |
| 06:19:06 | digdude | a7r: that POD thing is cool. I'm not sure I'd get much use out of it personally... How much? over $600 ?? |
| 06:19:27 | a7r | exactly 600. |
| 06:19:44 | a7r | it's great, because you can simulate an insane amount of amps/cabinets, and you can record at line level.. |
| 06:19:51 | digdude | Guitar Center over here has a bunch of Line6 stuff. That's probably where I guessed the price. (I go to Guitar Center at least 2x weekly) |
| 06:20:02 | a7r | so if I want to record a guitar track, at 3 in the morning, I can. |
| 06:20:30 | a7r | whereas if I want to mic a real amp, I have to find one, and then get the mic set up right, and crank the shit out of it. |
| 06:20:42 | a7r | ah, nod.. we've got Instrumental Music up here, they're good guys.. |
| 06:21:44 | digdude | I'm toying with the idea of getting one of those $79 USB midi-keyboards and working on an all software synth for Linux. I think all the essential pieces are there, just not totally integrated yet. |
| 06:21:55 | a7r | nod. |
| 06:21:57 | a7r | that'd be elite. |
| 06:22:11 | a7r | when you make it up to SB next, I'll show you my rig.. |
| 06:22:12 | digdude | it's be a huge fuckin colossal waste of time. |
| 06:22:19 | digdude | a7r: cool. |
| 06:22:39 | a7r | I've got a list of parts I need to get.. and I'm picking 'em up slowly, as I do research. |
| 06:22:46 | digdude | i'm never in a crunch for ideas of software I'd like to write. I'm always out of time, though. it's the greatest atrocity of my life. |
| 06:22:57 | a7r | haha |
| 06:22:57 | a7r | yeah. |
| 06:23:13 | a7r | I've been trying to change my situation Re: that.. |
| 06:23:17 | digdude | I almost wish I had unlimited time to sit around and do nothing, and had ZERO programming ideas. |
| 06:23:20 | digdude | it's be anice break |
| 06:23:27 | a7r | nod. |
| 06:24:11 | a7r | software synths scare me, just because I like having a piece of hardware I can actually touc. |
| 06:24:29 | a7r | if I had a midi controller for the parameters, I'd probably be okay with one. |
| 06:24:45 | digdude | a7r: so, there's this Billy Joel special on A&E right now, and he's playing a digital grand piano (Kurzweil) and I can't even tell the difference between that and a real piano by the time it gets through the tv. |
| 06:25:08 | a7r | yeah, they've got some amazing sampling synthesizers now-a-days. |
| 06:25:19 | a7r | my little brother has an Alesis that he loves. |
| 06:25:56 | a7r | OKay, let me get the salamander repository online.. |
| 06:26:15 | digdude | okay. |
| 06:37:12 | digdude | a7r: it looks like theres an old salamander repository in cvs right now. dates are '8 weeks ago' |
| 06:37:35 | a7r | hrm. |
| 06:37:48 | digdude | http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/salamander/ |
| 06:38:49 | a7r | digdude: yeah, reload that.. I just imported the latest. |
| 06:39:10 | digdude | now the date says '27 seconds' heh. |
| 06:39:17 | digdude | that's the freshest i've ever seen in any cvs anywhere. |
| 06:39:33 | a7r | hehe |
| 06:40:04 | digdude | dkaiser@shift:~/handhelds.org/salamander$ du -h -s |
| 06:40:04 | digdude | 468k. |
| 06:40:10 | digdude | tree |
| 06:40:10 | digdude | 19 directories, 65 files |
| 06:40:13 | digdude | sound right? |
| 06:41:26 | digdude | a7r: cool, it looks complete. |
| 06:41:27 | a7r | digdude: that's bigger than it should be. |
| 06:41:31 | a7r | werd. |
| 06:41:38 | digdude | that's with the CVS directories... |
| 06:41:49 | a7r | oh. |
| 06:42:08 | digdude | i'm headed to bed soon, but i'll dig in after i'm done with tomorrow's work. |
| 06:42:13 | a7r | cool. |
| 06:42:19 | a7r | it needs a shitload of work.. |
| 06:42:25 | a7r | check out the tests for the best API examples. |
| 06:42:55 | digdude | ha ha ha ha |
| 06:42:56 | digdude | cb = CallBack() |
| 06:42:56 | digdude | peer.send("fuck you, asshole.", cb) |
| 06:42:56 | digdude | switch.wait_for_responses() |
| 06:43:42 | a7r | er. |
| 06:43:46 | a7r | I forgot that was in there. ;) |
| 15:03:27 | | Aaaahh! |
| 15:03:27 | nikos | ibot: scream |
| 15:03:29 | | rumour has it scream is an mp3 front end that was formerly known as pypaq.mp3 and pypaq. Available at http://handhelds.org/~gberenfield/ |
| 15:03:29 | nikos | ibot: scream |
| 15:03:39 | wjb | How does one develop for the ipaq using familiar? Is gcc part of the distro or do you cross-compile? |
| 15:03:56 | pattieja | nikos: that's funny |
| 15:04:11 | nikos | wjb: Skiffcluster, cross toolchain, intimate, gcc from cworth on external storage... |
| 15:04:20 | nikos | pattieja: No, it's annoying. |
| 15:04:34 | wjb | nikos: what version of gcc? |
| 15:04:46 | nikos | wjb: In which case? |
| 15:05:22 | nikos | wjb: Searching the mailing lists for posts from Carl Worth in the last couple of months should reveal a post about gcc in Familiar. I don't know the details. |
| 15:06:32 | manuel | hmmm, scream won't start here |
| 15:07:42 | wjb | nikos: thanks - I'll have a look. FYI, I'm thinking of porting something that needs the java compiler gcj from at least gcc3.0 (preferably 3.0.2) |
| 15:08:13 | nikos | manuel: Be sure you get all of those packages, then rm /usr/lib/python2.0/site-packages/utils.pyc |
| 15:08:44 | nikos | wjb: Good luck |
| 15:08:53 | manuel | hmmm, another error message |
| 15:08:53 | wjb | nikos: thanks |
| 15:08:54 | manuel | Could not find the glade file at |
| 15:10:12 | dneuer | hello briefly |
| 15:10:20 | dneuer | hello briefly |
| 15:10:41 | dneuer | seems to have echolalia today |
| 15:10:46 | nikos | dneuer: hiya |
| 15:17:23 | dneuer | bye |
| 15:17:27 | dneuer | bye |
| 17:46:37 | nikos | is away: Back about 19:25 GMT |
| 18:10:53 | nikos | is back |
| 18:12:43 | DragonEagle | is away: store |
| 20:52:23 | jblack2 | Today is the day I go back to CE. :( |
| 20:52:56 | BBrox | Why ? You need a PDA instead of a hacking toy :-) ? |
| 20:53:16 | jblack2 | BBrox: Unfortunately, yes. |
| 20:53:21 | a7r | jblack2: ugg... why CE? |
| 20:53:27 | jblack2 | I could pull it off if there were a scheduler. |
| 20:53:46 | a7r | there is one.. Chronicle. |
| 20:53:54 | jblack2 | hrmmm? |
| 20:54:11 | jblack2 | researches that. |
| 20:54:44 | a7r | I've been porting Wez' scheduler to Salamander, and renamed it Chronicle. |
| 21:04:44 | jblack2 | hrmmmm. |
| 21:04:54 | jblack2 | Who was I speaking with? |
| 21:06:26 | sgodsell | jblack2: if you want PDA functions like CE. The QPE is your answer |
| 21:07:41 | jblack2 | sgodsell: Where is their homepage? qpe.handhelds.org, I presume? |
| 21:08:52 | jblack2 | a7r: I see chronicle in neither intimate nor familiar? |
| 21:09:26 | sgodsell | http://qpe.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:09:48 | a7r | jblack2; it's under development. |
| 21:09:58 | a7r | jblack2: your best bet for the latest right now, is in CVS. |
| 21:16:16 | jblack2 | sgodsell: And qpe is free software? |
| 21:18:22 | jblack2 | nm. dual licensed. cool |
| 21:50:33 | jblack2 | sgodsell, are you still here? |
| 21:52:23 | sgodsell | Sorry, yes |
| 21:52:29 | sgodsell | why? |
| 21:53:50 | jblack2 | Well, I'm kinda looking at qpe now, and I was wondering if you would answer a few questisons. :) |
| 22:37:58 | EGg0_away | is back (gone 10:26:37) |
| 22:55:08 | jblack2 | Anyone have experence with bootldr 2.16.19 |
| 22:55:44 | jblack2 | when I do a params save, I get bootldr: set linuxargs "noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock/2 init=/linuxrc console=tty" |
| 22:57:08 | sgodsell | If you are using 2.16.19 bootldr then the params are in a file called /boot/params |
| 22:58:50 | jblack2 | Ahh. Red herring anyways. |
| 22:58:55 | jblack2 | The problem is it's not writing the params to flash. |
| 22:59:23 | | bootldr is at http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/bootldr/ for cvsweb access, or stable binaries under ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/linux/dists and unstable/development versions at ftp://lorien.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/bootldr/ |
| 22:59:23 | sgodsell | ibot bootldr |
| 22:59:43 | sgodsell | use this sample file ftp://lorien.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/bootldr/params |
| 22:59:52 | jblack2 | sgodsell: I'm not even getting that far. |
| 22:59:56 | sgodsell | and place it in your /boot directory |
| 23:00:29 | sgodsell | how many partitions do you have? |
| 23:00:37 | jblack2 | boot> params save |
| 23:00:37 | jblack2 | boot> |
| 23:00:48 | sgodsell | partition show |
| 23:01:12 | jblack2 | Looks like 2. bootldr and root |
| 23:06:23 | sgodsell | ok |
| 23:06:30 | sgodsell | then do a params reset |
| 23:06:35 | sgodsell | then a |
| 23:06:38 | sgodsell | params show |
| 23:07:04 | sgodsell | your linuxargs should be properly set to 1 instead of you changing it to 2 |
| 23:08:02 | overcode_ | know of any directions for configuring a kernel for the iPAQ? Which branches to use, oddball options that need to be enabled, etc... |
| 23:08:04 | jblack2 | sgodsell: Seems to me the problem is that params save isn't working at all. |
| 23:08:48 | jblack2 | for example, I can't do "params set" "params save"... either that, or the way it aced before has changed, and it no longer gives any status. |
| 23:09:11 | jblack2 | working now. hrm |
| 23:11:22 | jblack2 | Ok. three partitions now |
| 23:12:06 | sgodsell | jblack2: Did you follow the instructions from v0.5 familiar to a tee. Including the params partition part |
| 23:12:30 | jblack2 | Nah. I'm all screwed up now, I'm happy to report. |
| 23:12:32 | jblack2 | That's ok. I'm having fun |
| 23:12:58 | jblack2 | When I get tired of shooting in the dark, I'll start at step 1, and go very slowly and carefully |
| 23:13:13 | sgodsell | jblack2: Since you have 2.16.19 bootldr installed, then you should not have a params partition |
| 23:13:56 | sgodsell | There isn't any need for it with that bootldr |
| 23:14:38 | sgodsell | If you want to use a params partition, then I would suggest going back to a 2.15.X bootldr instead |
| 23:14:51 | sgodsell | That will fix your current problem |
| 23:16:05 | sgodsell | I only wish a7r would change the documentation for the installation of familiar v0.5. And use the 2.16.19 bootldr and change the documentation to remove the params partition part ;) |
| 23:16:16 | jblack2 | Yeah. That would be nice. |
| 23:16:51 | a7r | it' |
| 23:16:54 | a7r | laf.. |
| 23:17:01 | a7r | that's happening sometime tonight. |
| 23:17:07 | jblack2 | found a neat trick. |
| 23:17:15 | jblack2 | You can get out of those crc errors if you reseat the ipaq |
| 23:17:32 | pattieja | is away: home |
| 23:17:43 | jblack2 | whoosh, upload goes four times as fast. |
| 23:18:04 | jblack2 | A significant thing when you are in "shot in the dark rebel" mode |
| 23:19:03 | jblack2 | I can safely screw around, correct? |
| 23:19:22 | a7r | as long as you're not screwing around with the bootloader,.. and your bootloader flash is properly protected. |
| 23:20:15 | jblack2 | load root needs a tetris game. :) |
| 23:20:53 | sgodsell | You can download it, and install it if you want ;) |
| 23:21:08 | jblack2 | While doing a load root? |
| 23:21:38 | a7r | jblack2: feel free to submit patches. |
| 23:21:40 | jblack2 | I figured bootldr would need some sort of execonload command. |
| 23:22:00 | jblack2 | a7r: Grin. Some day when I know what I'm doing here, I'll do that. Promise. |
| 23:22:30 | DragonEagle | aaaaarg |
| 23:23:18 | DragonEagle | is there a pygtk coder in the mix? |
| 23:23:27 | a7r | yes. |
| 23:23:34 | EGg0 | Aye. |
| 23:23:46 | DragonEagle | how do I set the upper for an hscale |
| 23:24:55 | EGg0 | reads gtk.py... |
| 23:25:27 | DragonEagle | wonders if he should tell EGg0 that he looked there :) |
| 23:26:08 | EGg0 | DragonEagle: I had this problem before and solved it thus... I've just got to remember how I did it. It's a GtkRange thing I think. |
| 23:26:20 | DragonEagle | ah |
| 23:26:54 | EGg0 | Unfortunately, it was like a year and a half ago... and my memory's not what it was.. |
| 23:27:34 | EGg0 | Hrm... I wonder if I still have that program floating around. |
| 23:28:21 | DragonEagle | hmmmm, hscale.get_adjustment()['upper']=value ? mayhaps, will know in a second :0 |
| 23:28:29 | EGg0 | It's not range, its GtkAdjustment |
| 23:29:36 | EGg0 | DragonEagle: THat should work.. because you should build a GtkAdjustment instance and use it in the call to build a GtkHScale instance. |
| 23:29:51 | EGg0 | You're just skipping a step doing it that way, but it should work. |
| 23:29:54 | DragonEagle | arg |
| 23:31:05 | EGg0 | self.adj1 = GtkAdjustment(0, 100, 1, 1, 10, 0);self.hscale = GtkHScale(self.adj1) |
| 23:31:58 | EGg0 | That will set a GtkAdjustment instance with lower of 0, upper of 100, initvalue of 1, etc. then build an HScale with those values. |
| 23:32:31 | EGg0 | DragonEagle: You get that? |
| 23:34:38 | EGg0 | Now, can anyone help me set up PCMCIA-CS with my new dual sleeve to correctly configure my Toshiba, that was working fine in the dual sleeve until I installed PCMCIA-CS? |
| 23:34:50 | jblack2 | Heh. Whoooh! |
| 23:34:58 | jblack2 | I made an all new error. "Failed to find inode" |
| 23:35:16 | jblack2 | I love shooting in the dark and ignoring instructions and/or applying them in the wrong order. |
| 23:36:15 | jblack2 | I'll try your familiar 0.5 instructions tomorrow, a7r. :) |
| 23:36:22 | a7r | cool. |
| 23:38:42 | sgodsell | is away: I have got to go. |
| 23:38:49 | EGg0 | DragonEagle: Did you get that? You want me to repaste that buffer? |
| 23:42:17 | EGg0 | intresting... The dual PCMCIA sleeve recognizes my microdrive correctly if it's in slot1 but not slot2. Is there a timing problem? |
| 23:45:32 | EGg0 | Now the Microdrive works, but not the Orinoco card doesn't... what is up with this? Only one at a time or something? |
| 23:45:40 | EGg0 | Dammit. |
| 23:45:53 | EGg0 | is away: cooking dinner, be back in a bit. |
| 23:46:49 | EGg0 | DragonEagle: ?? |
| 23:47:05 | EGg0 | DragonEagle: Did you get that? You want me to repaste that buffer? |
| 23:47:07 | DragonEagle | EGg0: yes. worls perfectly thanks |
| 23:47:11 | DragonEagle | now if I would stop falling off the net, I'd be very happy |
| 23:47:25 | DragonEagle | EGg0: yes. works perfectly thanks :) |
| 23:47:35 | DragonEagle | that time a remembered to fix the typos too :) |
| 23:49:07 | DragonEagle | I'm de-gladei-ifying my apm thingamajig, and was changing the scale for the backlight |
| 23:49:52 | DragonEagle | sclBL=gtk.GtkHScale(gtk.GtkAdjustment(128,0,255,1,10,0)) |
| 23:50:57 | DragonEagle | oh, so it wasn't me |
| 23:59:49 | greeno | pigeon! |
| 23:59:55 | pigeon | yeah |
| 23:59:58 | greeno | Good afternoon all |