| 00:00:25 | greeno | pigeon: where were we? |
| 00:01:45 | pigeon | Hmm |
| 00:01:55 | pigeon | perl? were we? |
| 00:02:43 | greeno | memory - I'm only showing 15MB for root on a 64MB iPaq |
| 00:03:04 | pigeon | That's the internal flash isn't it? |
| 00:03:46 | greeno | yeah - I think so - microdrive is mounted on /mnt/hda |
| 00:04:24 | pigeon | there should be a ramfs mounted somewhere? |
| 00:05:47 | greeno | oh - not showing up - I'll check |
| 00:06:24 | pigeon | Hmm... |
| 00:06:40 | pigeon | Looks like ramfs is still not showing sizes in .5pre3? |
| 00:06:52 | greeno | Not mounted - mounted by hand and got |
| 00:06:54 | greeno | ramfs 0 0 0 - /mnt/ramfs |
| 00:07:04 | pigeon | You've got it. |
| 00:07:30 | pigeon | I remember with the fam.4 ramfs is showing sizes properly. |
| 00:12:12 | greeno | hmmm |
| 00:38:31 | sjohnson | is away: food run |
| 00:52:35 | sjohnson | is back (gone 00:14:05) |
| 01:03:00 | DragonEagle | is away: schreck dvd |
| 03:21:00 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 02:17:59) |
| 04:06:41 | ArthurDent | Anyone get familiar pre 0.5 w/ qpe & properly functioning power button to put it to sleep? |
| 06:07:48 | EGg0 | is away: sleepytime |
| 06:10:21 | jblack | Wow... qpe is like... heh. :) |
| 06:10:30 | jblack | surprisingly close to ce |
| 06:27:52 | jblack | a7r: Finally to things going with the new bootldr. |
| 06:28:21 | a7r | jblack: great. |
| 06:28:54 | jblack | Mind if I give some addenda? |
| 06:29:01 | a7r | shoot. |
| 06:29:29 | jblack | 1. adding to the params stanza, tell them to increase the xmodem timeout. :) |
| 06:29:47 | jblack | 2. between load root and boot, apparently a reset is necessary. |
| 06:30:09 | jblack | I also seemed to have a problem with ending up with three partitions. |
| 06:33:01 | jblack | Otherwise, they worked great. ;) |
| 06:35:56 | a7r | cool. |
| 06:37:59 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 02:05:09) |
| 06:39:34 | jblack | You tried qpe yet? |
| 06:40:01 | DragonEagle | who me? no |
| 06:41:16 | jblack | Actually, I was speaking to a7r, but the original question pertains well enough. :) |
| 06:41:23 | DragonEagle | lol |
| 06:41:29 | DragonEagle | I guess that was a timing issue :) |
| 06:42:22 | DragonEagle | speaking of a7r, I should have something to send you soon, I'm removing the glade file so it's not so location specific |
| 06:43:07 | a7r | jblack: I have, I didn't really like it, that's one of the reasons I started putting Familiar together. |
| 06:58:00 | jblack | a7r: I like parts of familiar better.... |
| 06:58:14 | jblack | But I don't feel like trying to figure out how to write a scheduler |
| 06:59:20 | a7r | to each his own. |
| 06:59:37 | jblack | Ironic though. The qpe instructions say to install familiar. |
| 07:00:13 | a7r | yeah,.. |
| 07:00:22 | a7r | beats the hell out of putting together their own distro. |
| 07:02:48 | jblack | You sound a little pissed |
| 07:03:21 | a7r | no, I think it's great.. if I were them I'd be using Familiar. |
| 07:03:34 | a7r | I'd rather be working on apps. :) |
| 07:05:50 | jblack | a7r: It's pure magic what you do. :) |
| 07:06:16 | a7r | hrm.. speaking of magic.. I need to release v0.5pre4 |
| 07:07:11 | DragonEagle | a7r: was my gtk re-squashing used with that? |
| 07:07:31 | a7r | DragonEagle: with what? |
| 07:07:41 | DragonEagle | 0.5pre |
| 07:07:55 | DragonEagle | not that it would bother me if it wasn't, just courious |
| 07:08:37 | a7r | DragonEarth: er, wait.. which? |
| 07:09:29 | DragonEagle | I re-squashed gtk1.2.10 so it would be semi-usable with glade, I was just wondering if you were using it |
| 07:10:37 | a7r | oh, did you send it to me? |
| 07:10:54 | a7r | is a little slow. |
| 07:11:05 | DragonEagle | no, it's in the dragon feed if you want to check it out, I need to fine tune it a little tho |
| 07:11:33 | DragonEagle | I didn't want to step on jg's toes |
| 07:11:38 | a7r | oh, then it's not going to get included.. we can do something about that for v0.6.. |
| 07:12:44 | DragonEagle | cool, like I said, I need to fine tune it anyways |
| 07:19:35 | greeno | anyone awake? |
| 07:19:51 | a7r | yes. |
| 07:20:01 | greeno | hi |
| 07:20:10 | DragonEagle | not yet, but working on it :) |
| 07:20:17 | greeno | I've got a bit of a problem with stowd, I'm after some help |
| 07:20:43 | a7r | what kind of a problem? |
| 07:21:18 | greeno | I'm using 0.5 and when I try to run stowd, I get 'invalid discipline' |
| 07:21:30 | greeno | I followed some instructions I found at http://www.handhelds.org/pipermail/ipaq/2001-October/009833.html |
| 07:21:34 | greeno | but no change |
| 07:24:27 | a7r | greeno: that's not right.. hm. |
| 07:25:00 | greeno | a7r: I guessed it wasn't ;-) |
| 07:25:10 | greeno | I'm trying to find my own way - but this one has me foxed |
| 07:27:14 | greeno | a7r: any ideas? |
| 07:28:05 | a7r | greeno: I'll test it with my setup in a minute. |
| 07:29:31 | greeno | OK - thanks for your time! ;-) |
| 07:29:52 | a7r | grr. |
| 07:51:27 | greeno | I've tried dropping the getty - in case that was holding a lock on the serial port. Still no joy |
| 07:57:42 | a7r | nod. |
| 07:57:47 | DragonEagle | a7r: is casting possible in python? |
| 07:57:49 | a7r | conversion is possible.. what're you doing with it. |
| 07:57:50 | DragonEagle | I'm trying to get the source of an event, it gives me a GtkObject, I need a GtkCheckButton |
| 07:57:51 | a7r | er, I don't remember ever having a time when that was required with PyGtk.. but you can, just call the method manually, with the object as the first argument. |
| 07:57:51 | DragonEagle | ah, thx |
| 07:57:54 | DragonEagle | I need to interact with the checkbox directly from it's "toggled" callback |
| 08:19:03 | DragonEagle | a7r: mail's away |
| 08:19:46 | DragonEagle | is away: night all |
| 08:20:02 | greeno | DragonEagle: night |
| 09:34:26 | error | hello all |
| 09:34:37 | a7r | hey.. |
| 09:34:54 | error | I hope I am in time to update dillo before the 0.5 release :) |
| 09:35:56 | a7r | barely. |
| 09:36:10 | error | it should be done in a few hours :) |
| 09:41:49 | prh | will ipkg update ... upgrade get me to the same level as the task-bootstrap.jffs? |
| 09:50:44 | error | damn, I have taken almost every app out of my ipaq, and even so I get fs full... |
| 09:50:51 | error | feels the need to reflash... |
| 09:51:17 | error | we are still aiming at 16Mb flash, aren't we? |
| 11:12:55 | EGg0_zZzZzZzZ | is back (gone 05:04:59) |
| 11:13:43 | EGg0 | a7r: are you around/awake yet? |
| 12:49:56 | CSstudent | i installed familiarv0.5 bootstrap ... but since i do not have x .... and only one serial port ... how to install task-complete pkg ? |
| 12:51:32 | WolfSoul | hi |
| 12:52:36 | WolfSoul | any hint where's the bug in the unstable ipkg ? |
| 12:58:12 | error[reflashingipaq] | CSstudent: try configuring usb networking (assuming you have a linux workstation) |
| 13:16:14 | joegirl | grabs jblack and gives a squeeze |
| 13:16:38 | CSstudent | error[reflashingipaq]: but i have only one serial port from ipaq, one usb cable and one serial cradle .... seems no way to link two at the same time .... |
| 13:29:52 | error | Does anyone know how to solve this? |
| 13:29:55 | error | Disconnecting: Bad packet length 1349676916. |
| 13:30:11 | error | I keep getting this while trying to connect to my ipaq via ssh (fam 0.5) |
| 13:30:32 | CSstudent | error: i also trying to do this, but ... fail . |
| 13:31:06 | error | starts to think a in.telnetd would be useful now... |
| 13:32:04 | error | i'll rip one from a debian package just to be able to finish the install |
| 13:38:03 | error | oh, damn... I forgot we don't have inetd :) |
| 13:40:31 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 05:20:45) |
| 13:41:23 | error | no way... can't connect. |
| 13:41:24 | error | :( |
| 13:47:01 | error | bingo! |
| 13:47:39 | error | debian's telnet saved me |
| 13:49:03 | CSstudent | error: did you install ipkg pend_packages and installed sshd ... ? |
| 13:49:41 | error | hey nikos |
| 13:49:59 | nikos | Hi error, if you hurry you can get a new dillo into v0.5 release. |
| 13:50:11 | error | nikos: that is precisely what I am doing now |
| 13:50:19 | nikos | CSstudent: You mean 'ipkg install_pending'? |
| 13:50:24 | error | nikos: but I needed to reflash to 0.5 pre |
| 13:50:29 | error | and had problems with ssh |
| 13:51:19 | error | so I ripped the telnet daemon from debian |
| 13:51:34 | error | and now I am able to connect and procede with instalation... |
| 13:52:23 | CSstudent | nikos: yes, then it installed ssh ... i don't know if it installs ssh or sshd .... |
| 13:52:41 | nikos | CSstudent: Both are in the same package I believe. |
| 13:53:56 | error | nikos: ssh keeps telling ys that it received a wrong packet lenght .... :( |
| 13:53:59 | CSstudent | nikos: it prints 'OpenBSD secure shell server: sshderror: Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key not found disabling protocol version I ... then, can i use ssh to access my ipaq ? |
| 13:54:00 | WolfSoul | hmmm, no problem here with 0.5pre and ssh |
| 13:54:05 | DragonEagle | is away: just away |
| 13:54:14 | | sshkeys is ssh-keygen -b 512 -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key -N ''; ssh-keygen -d -b 512 -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key -N '' |
| 13:54:14 | nikos | ibot: sshkeys |
| 13:54:18 | error | CSstudent: you have to ssh-keygen |
| 13:54:20 | nikos | CSstudent: Try doing that. |
| 13:54:55 | nikos | error: I don't know the exact reason for that error, but there is a note in the wiki I think which suggests upgrading your ssh (on desktop) to later openssh version. |
| 13:55:34 | error | nikos: I am using debian unstable... it does not look to be a new one available at this point... |
| 13:56:39 | WolfSoul | i'm geting an error with ipkg which came with todays "ipkg upgrade" any hints how to solve this ? |
| 13:56:59 | EGg0 | is away: (going to the doctor..) |
| 13:57:04 | error | at least "./in.telnetd -debug -L /bin/login" is helping me to go on, even without ssh ;) |
| 13:57:36 | nikos | WolfSoul: It's hard to generate a hint without knowledge of the error. |
| 13:57:52 | WolfSoul | nikos: sorry :) |
| 13:58:41 | CSstudent | nikos: works now. |
| 13:58:42 | WolfSoul | i'm geting a mkdir error regardless what i try to do with ipkg |
| 13:58:45 | pattieja | anybody used the SanDisk ImageMate External Drive for CompactFlash with Linux? |
| 13:59:26 | nikos | WolfSoul: Can you paste in the exact text (including your command)? |
| 14:00:01 | WolfSoul | bash-2.03# ipkg update |
| 14:00:02 | WolfSoul | mkdir: too few arguments |
| 14:00:02 | WolfSoul | Try `mkdir --help' for more information. |
| 14:00:02 | WolfSoul | bash-2.03# |
| 14:00:23 | nikos | WolfSoul: try sh -x /usr/bin/ipkg update |
| 14:00:35 | WolfSoul | bash-2.03# ipkg update |
| 14:00:35 | WolfSoul | + set -e |
| 14:00:35 | WolfSoul | + set -o noglob |
| 14:00:35 | WolfSoul | + '[' 1 -gt 0 ']' |
| 14:00:35 | WolfSoul | + arg=update |
| 14:00:35 | WolfSoul | + break |
| 14:00:37 | WolfSoul | + '[' 1 -lt 1 ']' |
| 14:00:38 | error | WolfSoul: I have just received an email on the mailing list regarding that |
| 14:00:39 | WolfSoul | + cmd=update |
| 14:00:41 | WolfSoul | + shift |
| 14:00:44 | WolfSoul | + mkdir -p |
| 14:00:45 | WolfSoul | mkdir: too few arguments |
| 14:00:47 | WolfSoul | Try `mkdir --help' for more information. |
| 14:00:50 | WolfSoul | bash-2.03# |
| 14:00:56 | WolfSoul | that's what i get with "set -x" in the script |
| 14:01:17 | error | see the message I just received on the list |
| 14:01:19 | WolfSoul | my guess is that this has to do with $IPKG_ROOT |
| 14:01:23 | | | Unfortunately it won't help if you already upgraded ;) As a quick fix, |
| 14:01:23 | | | type "export IPKG_TMP=/tmp/ipkg" before running ipkg. That'll allow |
| 14:01:23 | | | upgrading to the fixed version once they'll make it available. (Or edit |
| 14:01:23 | | | the script and swap the lines: |
| 14:01:23 | | | mkdir -p $IPKG_TMP |
| 14:01:24 | | | ipkg_load_configuration |
| 14:01:26 | | | ...around towards the end of /usr/bin/ipkg script) |
| 14:01:54 | WolfSoul | thx error :) |
| 14:02:15 | nikos | error: Thanks, still slogging through my inbox. |
| 14:02:33 | error | heheeh, you are all welcome :) |
| 14:02:42 | error | save the thanks for dillo 0.6.2 ;) |
| 14:02:56 | [muad`dib]|coding | hi there |
| 14:03:01 | WolfSoul | yay :)) |
| 14:03:33 | [muad`dib]|coding | may someone help me configuring DE-650 Network card under familiar v.5 kernel 2.4.7 |
| 14:03:40 | error | familiar 0.5 bare: / 48% usage |
| 14:03:50 | error | familiar 0.5 bare + task-x : / 62% usage ... |
| 14:04:29 | WolfSoul | btw, are there any plans for a email client for familiar ? |
| 14:05:01 | [muad`dib]|coding | cardmgr[82]: executing: 'modprobe 8390' |
| 14:05:04 | [muad`dib]|coding | expr: not found |
| 14:06:41 | error | nikos: would you recommend me installing everything under task-familiar-complete? |
| 14:06:42 | [muad`dib]|coding | ok nobody wanna help me :( |
| 14:07:10 | WolfSoul | [muad`dib]|coding: do you have the kernel module installed ? |
| 14:07:22 | [muad`dib]|coding | yeah what a question |
| 14:07:28 | nikos | error: It should fit I think. |
| 14:07:33 | error | argh! here comes python! |
| 14:08:05 | error | hehehe :) |
| 14:08:17 | [muad`dib]|coding | cardmgr[82]: could not adjust resource: IO ports 0xc00-0xcff: Invalid argument |
| 14:08:34 | error | feels like sooner or later familiar will have a 32Mb flash prereq |
| 14:08:38 | CSstudent | i try to ipkg install task-complete ... but as i do not have usb-serial cradle ... i think i may have to make use the irda to control and the usb for transmit or vice versa ....?? |
| 14:09:05 | [muad`dib]|coding | pcnet_cs: unable to read hardware net address for io base 0xf6000300 |
| 14:09:10 | CSstudent | error: but h3600 only includes 16M flash rom ... |
| 14:09:10 | nikos | error: That will not be the case any time soon. ALL of the core developers are still using 16MB units. |
| 14:09:34 | CSstudent | i am not a core developer , but i am using 16Mb flash rom :) |
| 14:09:45 | nikos | [muad`dib]|coding: You are more likely to get help using the mailing lists and finding someone else using that particular card. |
| 14:10:05 | nikos | CSstudent: No worries, those will remain the predominant model for some time to come. |
| 14:10:55 | [muad`dib]|coding | ok thnx for helping :( |
| 14:10:55 | error | nikos: I hope so... it will be difficult to get a upgrade here in .br |
| 14:10:55 | WolfSoul | CSstudent: where's the problem, i installed 0.5pre yesterday with only the serial cradle and my linux box |
| 14:10:56 | error | and buying a new ipaq will be out of range for some time, now that I am buying a home :) |
| 14:12:12 | error | where is ps? |
| 14:12:45 | WolfSoul | procps |
| 14:12:57 | error | bah, I will install task-complete :) |
| 14:13:00 | error | WolfSoul: thanks |
| 14:13:24 | WolfSoul | np *g |
| 14:14:07 | WolfSoul | bash-2.03# df -h |
| 14:14:07 | WolfSoul | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 14:14:07 | WolfSoul | /dev/mtdblock/2 15M 15M 1.1M 93% / |
| 14:14:07 | WolfSoul | bash-2.03# |
| 14:14:28 | WolfSoul | ooops, i think i played around a bit to much *g |
| 14:19:18 | CSstudent | WolfSoul: i mean the task-bootstrap is installed with no problem, but ipkg install xxx must access network ... |
| 14:20:52 | error | hah, now we have shadowed strokes :) |
| 14:26:14 | error | dillo 0.6.2 here we go... |
| 14:27:32 | WolfSoul | CSstudent: no problem, get the ssh package and send it to your ipaq with minicom as a zmodem upload |
| 14:28:18 | WolfSoul | after that you can set up the ppp network :) |
| 14:33:18 | CSstudent | WolfSoul: yes, after i figure out how ssh gen key :) thx. |
| 14:33:39 | CSstudent | WolfSoul: anyway, i would like to know how irda works in ipaq ? |
| 14:35:27 | WolfSoul | CSstudent: doesn't ssh-keygen work for you ? |
| 14:36:34 | CSstudent | WolfSoul: yes, it works . |
| 14:36:58 | CSstudent | but i have an irda on notebook , so i would like to know :P |
| 14:38:13 | WolfSoul | CSstudent: you won't get irda working with only task-bootstrap installed afaik ;) |
| 14:43:23 | CSstudent | WolfSoul: yes, i think i either have to grab a ipkg for irda including modules , or compile the modules for myself .... |
| 14:47:03 | error | nikos: are you there? |
| 14:47:44 | error | has just produced a new dillo |
| 14:48:05 | error | is the default method of mailing a7r the package still current ? :) |
| 14:48:36 | nikos | error: Yes, but it is really best if you can post the package somewhere where anyone can download it and email the mailing list also. |
| 14:49:07 | error | nikos: ok... |
| 14:49:17 | error | nikos: btw... |
| 14:50:19 | error | former dillo had some broken dependencies |
| 14:50:48 | WolfSoul | CSstudent: you will at least need the modules ircomm-tty irtty ircomm and irda |
| 14:51:06 | error | I hope I have fixed them now, but when I ipkg install the new dillo, ipkg complains about the old dependencies... |
| 14:51:28 | error | is it looking at the package list and not at the .ipk control file? |
| 15:03:04 | CSstudent | WolfSoul: download with task-complete ipk ... |
| 15:03:25 | nikos | error_lunch: What method are you using to install? |
| 15:03:43 | CSstudent | is ftpd installed in v0.5 familiar ? |
| 15:04:12 | nikos | CSstudent: no, I don't even think there is a package for it. |
| 15:05:18 | CSstudent | nikos: that means i have to compile it by myself ? |
| 15:05:48 | lg | Hi, guys. Can you tell me which is the latest kernel release ? |
| 15:07:11 | nikos | CSstudent: Why not just use scp? |
| 15:10:55 | WolfSoul | hmmm, what about the sftp server ? |
| 15:18:42 | lg | What is the kernel release actually used in familiar 0.5? |
| 15:19:48 | error | nikos: nothing speciall... ipkg install dillo_0.6.2-1_arm.ipk |
| 15:22:31 | nikos | error: May be a bug in latest ipkg then, ask Jamey or look at CVS sources. |
| 15:22:52 | error | nikos: hmm. 'kay. |
| 16:09:41 | DragonEagle | is away: installing sound card |
| 16:32:11 | error | to whomever it may interest... new dillo at http://macan.colband.com.br/macan/ipaq/dillo_0.6.2-1_arm.ipk |
| 16:42:48 | | dillo is maintained by mailto:macan@colband.com.br/macan@debian.org or a lightweight web browser or at http://www.geocities.com/glenn65535/ and http://www.metainfo.org/macan/ipaq/ or at http://www.hut.fi/~sengstro/ipaq.html |
| 16:42:48 | nikos | ibot: dillo |
| 16:43:05 | nikos | error: Does ibot need that changed? |
| 16:43:29 | nikos | is away: Back around 19:00 GMT |
| 16:46:43 | error | gee |
| 16:46:58 | | error: I forgot dillo |
| 16:46:58 | error | ibot forget dillo |
| 16:47:45 | | OK, error. |
| 16:47:45 | error | ibot dillo is maintained by macan@colband.com.br/macan@debian.org, get the latest from http://macan.colband.com.br/macan/ipaq |
| 16:47:50 | | i think dillo is maintained by mailto:macan@colband.com.br/macan@debian.org, get the latest from http://macan.colband.com.br/macan/ipaq |
| 16:47:50 | error | ibot: dillo |
| 16:54:30 | aness | hi |
| 16:55:41 | aness | anyone got a ipkg_0.9 for familiar 0.5 ? |
| 17:40:51 | DragonEagle | well, that was interesting :) |
| 17:42:48 | aness | DragonEagle ? |
| 17:45:04 | DragonEagle | just installed a new soundcard |
| 17:46:04 | aness | just upgraded ipkg.. |
| 17:46:32 | nikos | is back |
| 17:47:02 | aness | ipkg_0.9-jeh3 does not work |
| 17:47:10 | nikos | aness: http://www.handhelds.org/pipermail/ipaq/2001-November/010375.html |
| 17:48:09 | aness | nikos: mm, i fixed it in the script |
| 17:49:05 | aness | nikos: where do I subscribe to that list ? |
| 17:50:10 | nikos | aness: http://handhelds.org/email_lists.html |
| 17:54:53 | aness | nikos: thanx |
| 17:57:26 | dieman | Does the 3760 work with familiar? |
| 18:02:29 | DragonEagle | a7r: around? |
| 18:10:54 | DragonEagle | is away: just away |
| 18:24:36 | a7r | I am. |
| 18:32:02 | EGg0 | is back (gone 04:35:01) |
| 18:45:51 | jg | a7r: ETA bits? |
| 18:46:57 | a7r | jg: when Jamey gets me a new ipkg, I'll put up the bits. |
| 18:47:27 | jg | a7r: I'll go hassle him in an few minutes... |
| 18:47:54 | a7r | jg: we're moving to hh12, because of some packaging nonsense.. if it all works out, HH12 is what v0.5 will be. |
| 18:48:58 | jg | OK... |
| 19:19:14 | CraHan | i have the 2.16.19 and I read on the mailinglist that I can start linux and specify a different kernel image on the bootloader commandlineľ |
| 19:19:24 | a7r | yup, you can. |
| 19:19:26 | CraHan | since powermanagement is in the kernel |
| 19:19:40 | CraHan | and the kernel with familiar 0.5 isn't that good |
| 19:19:49 | CraHan | shouldn't it help to install kernel 2.4.9? |
| 19:20:16 | CraHan | I mean the powermanagement in the 0.5 kernel isn't that good |
| 19:20:45 | a7r | 2.4.7 has been better tested. |
| 19:20:52 | CraHan | ok |
| 19:21:18 | CraHan | I'm also reading in the mailinglists that 0.5 is nearing the final release |
| 19:21:32 | CraHan | isn't there going to be an update for better and longer batterylife? |
| 19:21:39 | a7r | nope. |
| 19:21:52 | CraHan | cause it seems that a lot of people can't use their ipaqs like they used to |
| 19:22:04 | a7r | yeah.. that can be fixed in v0.6.. |
| 19:22:07 | CraHan | mine drains 50% over 7hours in suspend |
| 19:22:08 | a7r | hey digdude.. |
| 19:22:11 | digdude | a7r: hey |
| 19:22:23 | CraHan | so not even working on it :) |
| 19:22:44 | CraHan | a7r: you using 0.5 too? |
| 19:22:53 | a7r | CraHan: I'm building v0.5. |
| 19:22:59 | CraHan | oh |
| 19:23:00 | CraHan | hehe |
| 19:23:01 | a7r | I better be using it. ;) |
| 19:23:17 | CraHan | so you have the batterylife problem too :) |
| 19:23:26 | CraHan | but I'm guessing you keep it in the cradle :) |
| 19:23:31 | CraHan | reminds me |
| 19:23:45 | CraHan | how long can I keep the ipaq in the cradle? |
| 19:23:50 | a7r | if the iPAQ lasts me a day, I'm happy with it.. v0.6 I'll start fighting those fires. |
| 19:23:55 | a7r | indefinitely. |
| 19:23:58 | CraHan | ah |
| 19:24:08 | CraHan | it doesn't affect the batteryloading or batterylifespan? |
| 19:24:17 | CraHan | cause then I can leave it in overngight |
| 19:24:20 | CraHan | overnight even |
| 19:24:41 | CraHan | great |
| 19:24:55 | CraHan | good to hear that the powermanagement is going to be tackled |
| 19:25:43 | CraHan | My machine has been running on its battery for, oh, 20h30m now |
| 19:25:50 | CraHan | haven't worked on it much though |
| 19:26:00 | CraHan | guess that's a nice time |
| 19:28:13 | CraHan | qpe reports 20% battery left... so I should be able to get 1 day easily |
| 19:28:25 | CraHan | cool |
| 19:52:56 | Schusuen | hi there |
| 19:53:04 | a7r | hey.. |
| 19:53:12 | Schusuen | I installed the task-complete .... |
| 19:53:17 | a7r | v0.4? |
| 19:53:26 | Schusuen | v.5pre |
| 19:53:41 | a7r | oh, you installed the package.. |
| 19:53:55 | Schusuen | yeah |
| 19:54:02 | Schusuen | but now an error is reported |
| 19:54:08 | a7r | an ipkg error? |
| 19:54:30 | Schusuen | and the x-server is started but the when i click on the menu it disappear |
| 19:54:44 | Schusuen | so I only got an empty frame |
| 19:54:47 | Schusuen | :( |
| 19:54:48 | a7r | oh, run update-menus |
| 19:54:59 | Schusuen | ipkg update-menus ? |
| 19:55:05 | a7r | no.. just ``update-menus''. |
| 19:55:13 | a7r | and then run ``gtk-menu''. |
| 19:55:32 | Schusuen | # update-menus |
| 19:55:33 | Schusuen | kill: Usage: kill [-s sigspec | -signum | -sigspec] [pid | job]... or |
| 19:55:33 | Schusuen | kill -l [exitstatus] |
| 19:55:35 | Schusuen | ??? |
| 19:55:43 | a7r | hah. |
| 19:55:51 | Schusuen | something strange is happening |
| 19:55:59 | Schusuen | look at that : |
| 19:56:01 | a7r | it's not bad.. you're just runing into unstable feed problems.. |
| 19:56:28 | Schusuen | # ipkg install task-complete |
| 19:56:29 | Schusuen | mkdir: too few arguments |
| 19:56:29 | Schusuen | Try `mkdir --help' for more information. |
| 19:56:34 | a7r | hah.. |
| 19:56:35 | a7r | yaeh.. |
| 19:56:43 | Schusuen | yeah ? |
| 19:56:56 | Schusuen | I'm not happy with that |
| 19:56:58 | Schusuen | ... |
| 19:57:03 | a7r | do this: export IPKG_TMP=/tmp/ipkg |
| 19:58:24 | Schusuen | still kill message |
| 19:58:30 | a7r | install procps. |
| 19:59:38 | Schusuen | ok but still kill message |
| 19:59:45 | a7r | hmm, that's no good. |
| 19:59:47 | a7r | try running gtk-menu. |
| 20:01:13 | Schusuen | great the menu is there |
| 20:01:16 | Schusuen | thnx ... |
| 20:04:35 | Schusuen | is there package to install lynx or anything like konqueror on that IPAQ ? |
| 20:05:02 | jg | dillo, if you are running under X... |
| 20:05:16 | Schusuen | dillo ? |
| 20:05:30 | jg | Dillo's not a half bad, very small web browser.... |
| 20:05:33 | jg | GTK based. |
| 20:06:16 | Schusuen | where can I find the package ? |
| 20:06:54 | jg | it is in the Familiar .5 feed.... |
| 20:07:23 | nikos | <error> to whomever it may interest... new dillo at http://macan.colband.com.br/macan/ipaq/dillo_0.6.2-1_arm.ipk |
| 20:07:36 | a7r | nikos: it's in the unstable feed. |
| 20:07:45 | nikos | a7r: Ah, cool. Thank you. |
| 20:08:30 | Schusuen | where do i have to put that ipk that ipkg is finding it ? |
| 20:08:38 | a7r | nikos: hey, can you fix the access list on #handhelds.org? |
| 20:08:52 | Schusuen | or better where should i put all that ipk files ? |
| 20:12:12 | CraHan | Schusuen: in /tmp and run ipkg in that dir... is what I did |
| 20:12:22 | CraHan | dunno if that is correct though |
| 20:12:41 | CraHan | first install I did I used zmodem to send over all the ipk files I needed and installed them from tmp |
| 20:12:57 | Schusuen | ok thnx |
| 20:13:13 | Schusuen | this channel is very helpful ... |
| 20:13:30 | nikos | a7r: Try it now. |
| 20:14:25 | CraHan | yes it is... people here have helped me lots of times |
| 20:14:42 | CraHan | I just recently installed familiar and I got through it without any problems |
| 20:14:53 | CraHan | a7r: thanks for earlier btw :) |
| 20:15:05 | jg | CraHan: don't worry, we'er about to inflict a new release on you :-). |
| 20:15:14 | CraHan | jg: please tdo |
| 20:15:15 | CraHan | do |
| 20:15:22 | CraHan | the more the better |
| 20:15:30 | CraHan | I upgraded the bootloader yesterday |
| 20:15:43 | CraHan | saved me a partition :) |
| 20:15:54 | a7r | CraHan: np. |
| 20:16:01 | CraHan | oh |
| 20:16:02 | nikos | a7r: Did that make any difference on #hh? |
| 20:16:43 | a7r | nikos: yeah, that's great.. |
| 20:16:44 | nikos | a7r: I don't think ChanServ is listening to joins at the moment. |
| 20:16:52 | nikos | a7r: Oh? You got opped now? |
| 20:20:41 | jblack | Is ipkg broken wrt an mkdir? |
| 20:21:53 | a7r | here are the new H3600 install instructions: http://www.handhelds.org/~a7r/outgoing/install.html |
| 20:22:05 | nikos | jblack: http://www.handhelds.org/pipermail/ipaq/2001-November/010375.html |
| 20:23:39 | greeno | morning all |
| 20:23:55 | greeno | a7r: did you have any thoughts on the problems I was having with stowd? |
| 20:24:05 | a7r | greeno: not yet. |
| 20:25:04 | nikos | greeno: You may have a mismatched stowaway modules/stowd set. 'cat < /dev/stowaway &' Is enough to get stowaway working with latest stowaway modules (list in hh10 and later). |
| 20:25:18 | nikos | s/list/like/ |
| 20:25:55 | greeno | nikos: I'll give that a try - hold on |
| 20:30:22 | jblack | a7r: You want me to walk these install instructions? |
| 20:30:41 | a7r | jblack: check 'em out.. tell me what you think. |
| 20:31:24 | jblack | I'd stick in the xmodem timeout settings. |
| 20:31:35 | jblack | I can go get what worked for me if you like |
| 20:31:58 | nikos | jblack: Is that still an issue with the bootloader used in the instructions? |
| 20:32:08 | jblack | nikos: Yessir. |
| 20:32:24 | nikos | jblack: Not a bad idea then. |
| 20:32:39 | jblack | a7r: Also, I had to reset between load root, and boot |
| 20:32:59 | a7r | jblack: you should only need to reset at the bootldr change.. |
| 20:33:02 | a7r | what did not resting cause? |
| 20:33:21 | jblack | The root filesystem culdn't be found. |
| 20:33:35 | a7r | hmm.. maybe it needs to rescan. |
| 20:35:38 | jblack | I set xmodem_initial_timeout to 900000, and xmodem_timeout to 200000 |
| 20:36:20 | greeno | nikos: no joy - get 'Device or resource busy'. I've checked there are no gettys running on the port |
| 20:56:59 | nikos | greeno: Did you change linuxargs AND do a 'telinit 4'? |
| 20:57:28 | nikos | a7r: If there is a partition change there probably does need to be a reset. |
| 20:57:43 | a7r | nikos: I'm throwing one in there for safety. |
| 20:58:08 | nikos | a7r: Yeah, I'll try to remember to play with that and figure out what is really necessary. |
| 20:58:31 | Schusuen | if i start the package manager from the menu it says ipkg not found ??? |
| 20:59:09 | greeno | nikos: change linuxargs? I did an telinit 4, but I din't think I changed linuxargs |
| 20:59:23 | greeno | didn't seem anything to say that was required.... |
| 21:00:42 | nikos | greeno: The console must not still be pointed at the serial port. |
| 21:01:08 | nikos | greeno: In other words, remove the console=ttySA0 part. |
| 21:01:35 | greeno | nikos: ah right - so how do you get a console if you need one then? |
| 21:01:46 | greeno | or is it console or keyboard? |
| 21:01:53 | pigeon | greeno: and also make sure getty is not grabbing the serial port too. |
| 21:02:16 | nikos | greeno: Without rebooting you can't unfortunately. |
| 21:02:16 | greeno | pigeon: getty certainly isn't in the way - first thing I checked ;-) |
| 21:02:23 | greeno | nikos: cool - thanks |
| 21:02:29 | nikos | pigeon: The telinit 4 takes care of that. |
| 21:02:39 | pigeon | ah... |
| 21:02:57 | Schusuen | if i start the package manager from the menu it says ipkg not found ??? |
| 21:03:12 | pigeon | Cos the first time I want to use the serial port, I remember the console= but forgot about the getty... |
| 21:03:48 | nikos | Schusuen: Try to run ipkg from a command line. |
| 21:05:18 | Schusuen | yeah then it works |
| 21:06:11 | nikos | Schusuen: Have you done an update recently? |
| 21:06:14 | Schusuen | oh no not found ?? |
| 21:16:59 | greeno | nikos: stowd still didn't work - but cat < /dev/stowaway did. Thanks for your help |
| 21:22:34 | nikos | greeno: Sure, I've never tried to use stowd myself. |
| 21:25:39 | Schusuen | now a new error occurs when starting the package manager : |
| 21:25:46 | Schusuen | twice permission denied ? |
| 21:25:56 | Schusuen | twice ipkg: permission denied ? |
| 21:27:33 | Schusuen | can someone send me the original ipkg script file ? |
| 21:27:53 | Schusuen | cause I think my one is broken |
| 21:30:47 | Schusuen | hello ? |
| 21:33:38 | greeno | Schusuen: try 'ls -l /usr/bin/ipkg' and show us what it says |
| 21:34:40 | Schusuen | oh you wanna see if the execute flag is set ? |
| 21:35:04 | greeno | worth looking |
| 21:35:48 | Schusuen | ok good job I'm to stupid ... I just give back that IPAQ |
| 21:36:15 | Schusuen | sorry for bugging you with that stupid things |
| 21:36:22 | Schusuen | I should go to bed now |
| 21:36:37 | greeno | was it the execute flag? |
| 21:36:45 | Schusuen | yeah :( |
| 21:36:53 | greeno | heh |
| 21:37:01 | greeno | OK - at least its sorted now |
| 21:37:02 | Schusuen | moving files and then forgetting to set it |
| 21:37:18 | greeno | easily done |
| 21:40:24 | aness | ipkg_depends: Warning: wvlan-modules-2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs mentioned in dependency but no package found in /usr/lib/ipkg/lists |
| 21:40:35 | a7r | yeah. |
| 21:40:45 | aness | am I trying to upgrade i the middle of a release ? |
| 21:40:55 | a7r | yes. |
| 21:41:04 | a7r | but that's cool, you should be fine. |
| 21:42:36 | aness | a7r: oki, I'll just wait until tomorrow :) |
| 21:44:52 | Schusuen | oh me too |
| 21:47:36 | Schusuen | oh could it that after that my DE-650 works ? |
| 23:15:36 | dneuer | hi |
| 23:15:40 | a7r | dneuer: dude. |
| 23:16:06 | dneuer | a7r: how's it going? Is 31xx support in the main .5 pre images now? |
| 23:16:35 | a7r | dneuer: no.. it could be with a tiny bit of work.. you willing to test? ;) |
| 23:17:22 | dneuer | a7r: absolutely, though I'm having a little bit of firewall difficulty which will hinder me. I hope to get it resolved soon. |
| 23:17:41 | dneuer | a7r: rather, I *have* to get it resolved soon! |
| 23:18:00 | a7r | werd. |
| 23:18:27 | a7r | dneuer: we moved to HH12,.. 2.4.7 . .I'm not sure what the state of framebuffer support and such is for the H3100. |
| 23:19:37 | dneuer | a7r: has the framebuffer code changed? Typically it's only when new RMK versions get imported that the framebuffer stuff has been broken (though I noticed that the hh cvs is up to 2.4.13 or something, right? |
| 23:20:09 | a7r | dneuer: i don't think it's changed, I'm just wondering if it's going to work well with the H3100? |
| 23:20:58 | dneuer | a7r: well, if nothing's changed, it should work, I guess. |
| 23:21:23 | a7r | dneuer: OKay, I'll put up images.. 0x20000 sector size, neh? |
| 23:23:17 | dneuer | a7r: I can't remember off hand; I think that is right (there is one size which dwmw2 said would work with both mono and color, and I think it's 20000) |
| 23:23:38 | a7r | dneuer: I'm just going to do 2 images, with different sector sizes.. |
| 23:25:55 | dneuer | a7r: OK, but I think the eventual goal from the CRL people was to have one kernel & one root fs. |
| 23:26:41 | dneuer | a7r: OTOH, maybe I'm starting to remember Andy C saying that he'd tried that and received inconsistent results... can't remember |
| 23:27:17 | lg | a7r: sector size is 0x20000, just half of 3600's |
| 23:28:18 | a7r | dneuer: yeah, it doesn't mean much to me to have different images..it'd be nice. |
| 23:28:29 | Disconnect | a7r: any interest in a new package for fam 0.5? (python-gtk remote control for XMMS, client-server layout) |
| 23:28:29 | dneuer | a7r: do you know if the 2.16.x bootldrs pass the model # to the kernel? |
| 23:29:13 | a7r | Disconnect: not right now.. after v0.5 is shipped, yes. |
| 23:30:27 | Disconnect | owies. |
| 23:30:29 | Disconnect | is busy lagging out constantly. grr. |
| 23:32:11 | dneuer | gotta go |
| 23:32:16 | a7r | late. |
| 23:33:34 | lg | a7r: are you uploading 3100 images? I'd like to test... |
| 23:33:43 | a7r | lg: I'm putting them online right now. |
| 23:34:00 | lg | a7r: or, at least, the kernel compiled with mono support... |
| 23:34:10 | a7r | are you running bootldr 2.16.19? |
| 23:34:21 | lg | No, 2.15.19, I think... |
| 23:34:49 | a7r | okay, you should upgrade. |
| 23:35:12 | lg | I'm upgrading now. |
| 23:35:54 | lg | Any particular hint? Or should I do the usual work? |
| 23:35:58 | a7r | usual. |
| 23:36:25 | a7r | check out: http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.5-pre/install/H3100 |
| 23:37:54 | lg | sending bootloader... |
| 23:39:14 | lg | 2.16.19 in, I'm downloading the root image. |
| 23:40:07 | lg | Can you point me to the kernel you used in the image, I can't wait to see... |
| 23:42:02 | a7r | check out the image, or the ipkg included with the image. |
| 23:42:24 | a7r | damn.. I need to split. |
| 23:42:39 | lg | why? |
| 23:42:50 | a7r | got a date in 30 minutes. ;) |
| 23:43:41 | lg | :-) |
| 23:54:33 | EGg0 | is away: cookin' for good lookin' |