| 01:08:33 | greeno | is away: I'm busy |
| 01:08:42 | greeno | is back (gone 00:00:08) |
| 01:14:40 | ApoXX | How good is familiar on an ipaq? |
| 01:23:42 | jg_ | ApoXX: for what purpose? |
| 01:24:41 | ApoXX | Toying around with... |
| 01:24:50 | ApoXX | Playing oggs |
| 01:24:58 | jg_ | ApoXX: More than a toy.... |
| 01:25:02 | ApoXX | Does it currently support the PCMCIA adapter? |
| 01:25:15 | jg_ | Have MP3 players already.... |
| 01:25:53 | jg_ | ApoXX: PCMCIA has worked for a long time... See the Wiki on handhelds.org to see what cards are known to work.... |
| 01:26:02 | ApoXX | okay, cool |
| 01:26:35 | ApoXX | Any other good resources for familiar? |
| 01:26:57 | jg_ | Where you are now, mailing list, wiki... |
| 01:28:34 | ApoXX | yeah |
| 01:29:13 | ApoXX | i am also thinking about pocketlinux and qnx, any thoughts on how these compare? |
| 02:11:27 | mirov | Good evening. Does familiar support OSS audio ? I'm new to linux audio devel... |
| 02:12:58 | Disconnect | mirov: standard /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer. |
| 02:13:01 | Disconnect | full duplex even. |
| 02:13:16 | Disconnect | (btw try #handhelds.org, more populated, esp "after hours") |
| 02:15:21 | mirov | Disconnect: Got any pointers to really simple degenerate audio examples? I know I can essentially cat a file to /dev/dsp, but I'm trying to get to know the ioctl commands |
| 02:16:38 | Disconnect | no idea. standard OSS dox is my best bet. (IIRC there were some format/encoding limitations early on, but those should be solved by now) |
| 02:17:54 | mirov | OK, I'll just keep plugging away and see where it takes me. The hard part is always playing/recording without having to spin-wait between reads/writes. |
| 02:43:33 | greeno | is away: phone |
| 03:00:06 | greeno | is back (gone 00:16:32) |
| 03:28:05 | EGg0_zZzZzZz | is away: Bedtime for Blithering Idiot |
| 03:43:48 | greeno | guys - whats the news on bootldr_v2_16_16 - I'm sure you know its 404'ing - but can I find it somewhere else? |
| 03:44:12 | jacques_gone | 2.16.19 |
| 03:44:20 | jacques_gone | is latest i believe |
| 03:44:20 | greeno | oops - yeah sorry |
| 03:44:28 | greeno | typo |
| 03:44:46 | jacques_gone | what link are you trying? |
| 03:44:54 | DragonEagle | ftp://lorien.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/bootldr/bootldr_v2_16_19 |
| 03:44:59 | DragonEagle | greeno: there :) |
| 03:45:04 | greeno | http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/install/H3600/bootldr_v2_16_19 |
| 03:45:12 | greeno | DragonEagle: Muchos thankyous |
| 03:45:31 | DragonEagle | greeno: np |
| 03:45:33 | greeno | I'm eventually going to get this all working! :-( |
| 03:45:55 | jacques_gone | anyone kno what this is: bootldr-2.16.19-noeapd |
| 03:46:14 | DragonEagle | jacques_gone: no, but it's different, it scares me |
| 04:32:39 | DragonEagle | is away: me want caffeen |
| 05:01:08 | sgodsell | is away: I have to go |
| 05:51:04 | greeno | OK oh helpful denizens of #familiar. I'm longing to get to the point where I can contribute rather than taking all the time.... and I'm nearly there. I've got a problem which I could use some help with. Pigeon and DragonEagle have helped me with it - but I'm still no further on really.... |
| 05:51:18 | a7r | what's the problem. |
| 05:51:45 | greeno | I've got a dlink dfe650 and a dual sleeve |
| 05:51:50 | greeno | I'm running v0.5 |
| 05:52:07 | greeno | the dlink nic is detected and comes onto the network for a short time |
| 05:52:10 | greeno | then I get |
| 05:52:18 | greeno | # eth0: timeout waiting for Tx RDC. |
| 05:52:18 | greeno | eth0: pcnet_reset_8390() did not complete. |
| 05:52:18 | greeno | Hw. address read/write mismap 1 |
| 05:52:25 | a7r | oh, that's a driver problem. |
| 05:52:28 | greeno | I've seen posts on the ML about it - but no solution |
| 05:52:29 | a7r | you have know chance to win. |
| 05:52:35 | a7r | er no |
| 05:52:56 | greeno | But I hear that prh has a dual sleeve and dfe650 working |
| 05:52:58 | a7r | that requires a bunch of kernel fixes for ARM.. v0.6 will probably take care of it. |
| 05:53:09 | a7r | greeno: ask him which kernel he's using. |
| 05:53:16 | greeno | 2.4.14 |
| 05:53:22 | a7r | on the iPAQ? |
| 05:53:28 | greeno | aparently |
| 05:53:32 | greeno | or 13 |
| 05:53:33 | a7r | you should get a copy and try it out then. |
| 05:53:35 | greeno | I can't recall |
| 05:53:41 | a7r | 2.4.7 is definitely behind in that realm. |
| 05:53:48 | greeno | I can't find any instructions regarding upgrading the kernel though |
| 05:53:57 | greeno | I've added a new line to ipkg.conf |
| 05:53:59 | greeno | updated |
| 05:54:16 | greeno | and downloaded the new 2.4.13 kernel - but upon reboot it borked |
| 05:54:31 | greeno | I guess I missed a step (liloesque step) |
| 05:54:35 | greeno | but I don't know what |
| 05:56:04 | greeno | is there a kernel update how-to that I've missed somewhere? |
| 05:56:56 | a7r | no. |
| 05:57:20 | a7r | it's straight forward though.. build new kernel modules, build a new kernel, install them, reboot. |
| 05:58:53 | greeno | I did a ipkg install kernel-2.4.13 (or whatever the package is) and it said that it had updated eveything |
| 05:59:00 | greeno | the /boot directory had the right files |
| 05:59:06 | greeno | symlinks looked good |
| 05:59:24 | greeno | upon reboot, it claimed not to be able to find the 2.4.7 kernel though |
| 05:59:57 | greeno | I'll try again.... |
| 06:05:06 | greeno | OK - I'm doing an 'ipkg install kernel-2.4.13-ac4-rmk1' over a serial ppp from a base v0.5 install |
| 06:05:53 | greeno | and its pulling down ftp://lorien.handhelds.org:21/pub/linux/feeds/2.4.13/kernel-2.4.13-ac4-rmk1_hh1_arm.ipk |
| 06:09:20 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 01:36:41) |
| 06:10:18 | greeno | DragonEagle: wb |
| 06:10:34 | greeno | OK - dowload and install complete |
| 06:10:36 | DragonEagle | greeno: thx |
| 06:11:39 | greeno | /boot looks like |
| 06:11:40 | greeno | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root bin 590576 Oct 12 20:41 zImage-2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs |
| 06:11:40 | greeno | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root bin 598976 Nov 2 16:50 zImage-2.4.13-ac4-rmk1 |
| 06:11:40 | greeno | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Nov 13 23:08 zImage -> zImage-2.4.13-ac4-rmk1 |
| 06:12:18 | greeno | so I should just be able to reset - no lilo type commands to run? |
| 06:14:59 | DragonEagle | greeno: you asking me? |
| 06:15:26 | greeno | I was talking to a7r - but I'm open to comments from anyone that would care to offer them |
| 06:15:28 | DragonEagle | as long as your modules are installed for 2.4.13, you should be ok |
| 06:16:22 | greeno | DragonEagle: thanks - I'll give it a try |
| 06:18:20 | greeno | DragonEagle: coolies - 2.4.13 is up! |
| 06:18:32 | greeno | thank you very very much one and all for your help |
| 06:19:05 | DragonEagle | :) |
| 06:19:34 | DragonEagle | greeno: btw, http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/Installing%20a%20new%20kernel%20and%20modules |
| 06:20:17 | greeno | DragonEagle: excellent - thanks |
| 06:20:36 | DragonEagle | np, I had remembered seeing it, just had to remember where it was :) |
| 06:20:57 | greeno | hehe - I know that feeling |
| 06:47:53 | DragonEagle | a7r: around? |
| 06:48:11 | a7r | yeah. |
| 06:48:45 | DragonEagle | I saw that you mentioned possibly using a different toolkit for salamander...what do you think of fltk? |
| 06:49:09 | a7r | I think it's great for doing small things,.. I've never tried writing an app with it, though. |
| 06:49:51 | DragonEagle | hmmm, just throwing my 2 cents worth out, I'm gonna play with it a little and see how things work out |
| 06:50:18 | a7r | hrm.. anyone remember what the CRL timeserver's host name was? |
| 06:50:42 | DragonEagle | isn't it in the faqs section of the familiar install instructions? |
| 06:51:34 | a7r | you're right.. nikos must have added it. |
| 06:51:44 | DragonEagle | :) |
| 06:51:51 | DragonEagle | were my apm changes ok? |
| 07:55:27 | greeno | Bah - I give up |
| 07:55:40 | greeno | can anyone recommend a NIC that they KNOW works with a dual sleeve? |
| 08:55:40 | WolfSoul | Upgrading task-bootstrap-2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs (root) from hh10 to hh12 |
| 08:55:41 | WolfSoul | ipkg_depends: Warning: wvlan-modules-2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs mentioned in dependency but no package found in /usr/lib/ipkg/lists |
| 08:55:43 | WolfSoul | ... |
| 08:55:57 | WolfSoul | is this normal or is it my fault again *g |
| 08:57:34 | Kero | normal, yet not perfect. |
| 09:00:34 | WolfSoul | ok thx |
| 10:32:47 | jblack | hrmmmm. I can't seem to get my microdrive to automagically mount, no matter where I put it in the config. |
| 10:32:52 | jblack | curses at qpe |
| 11:19:54 | mcgizzard | anyone awake? |
| 11:20:13 | Kero | sort of |
| 11:20:56 | mcgizzard | cool |
| 11:21:14 | mcgizzard | I was wondering if I could bug people with a couple of easy questions |
| 11:21:32 | mcgizzard | I'm thinking bout getting an iPaq, and I'd like to run either familiar or debian |
| 11:21:46 | mcgizzard | and I was wondering if there were any issues with the 3660 |
| 11:22:01 | WolfSoul | actualy familiar is based on debian afaik |
| 11:22:45 | mcgizzard | k |
| 11:23:09 | Kero | intimate is based on familiar and debian, afaik |
| 11:23:33 | mcgizzard | I was also wondering how good the stylus handwriting recognition was, or if it hasn't been implemented |
| 11:24:22 | Kero | it's implemented, but I don't use it. |
| 11:24:49 | mcgizzard | ok |
| 11:25:07 | mcgizzard | cos I'm planning on using it with a wireless pcmcia card for wireless pen testing |
| 11:25:20 | mcgizzard | that's pen as in penetration, not stylus ;) |
| 11:25:41 | mcgizzard | but it needs text input. Are there any keyboards available for the ipaq? |
| 11:26:01 | WolfSoul | imho xstroke works better than what pocketpc offered me *g |
| 11:27:02 | mcgizzard | cool |
| 11:27:41 | WolfSoul | there's a kernel module for the newton keybuard |
| 11:27:58 | WolfSoul | -u +o |
| 11:28:13 | mcgizzard | any pics of the newton keyboard? |
| 11:28:19 | mcgizzard | anyone used it? |
| 11:28:22 | WolfSoul | nope, sorry |
| 11:28:42 | WolfSoul | stowaway keyboard is supportet too |
| 11:29:07 | mcgizzard | who makes the stoaway one? |
| 11:29:24 | mcgizzard | is that the one like the fold up palm one? |
| 11:30:41 | WolfSoul | no idea sorry, right now i'm perfectly happy with xstroke and the keyboard of my desktop+ssh |
| 11:31:12 | mcgizzard | k |
| 11:31:30 | mcgizzard | well thanks |
| 11:31:42 | mcgizzard | as long as I can get a keyoboard on screen I'll be fine I guess |
| 11:33:53 | WolfSoul | that was easy ;) |
| 13:40:15 | pattieja | is away: I'm busy |
| 13:40:33 | pattieja | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 15:20:25 | WolfSoul | join #e |
| 15:20:30 | WolfSoul | ooops *g |
| 17:20:42 | DragonEagle | is away: just away |
| 17:20:57 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 00:00:03) |
| 18:26:30 | DragonEagle | is away: bbiaf |
| 18:44:37 | EGg0_work | is away: (teaching kids to build robots) |
| 18:54:23 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 00:27:52) |
| 18:59:08 | grib | (I know you guys are probably all over in #hh.o too but I'll ask here) |
| 18:59:22 | grib | where are the basic sysadmin tools like adduser, passwd, etc? |
| 18:59:43 | grib | Or do you have to add users directly and use md5sum to compute what to put in /etc/passwd? |
| 20:22:01 | greeno | morning all |
| 20:25:40 | grib | any hints on how to add a new user to a familiar system/ |
| 20:26:17 | cworth | grib: for now, hand edit. Or, you could get tools from Debian/arm packages. |
| 20:26:21 | greeno | grib: I don't think there are actual tools to do it, but you can manually hack it |
| 20:27:25 | grib | what about password entries in /etc/passwd? are they just echo password | md5sum? |
| 20:28:39 | greeno | grib: again, the tools from Debian/arm would work. Or manually create the password (or copy it from a desktop box) |
| 20:29:17 | grib | greeno: that's what I'm asking. How do you manually create the password? |
| 20:29:43 | cworth | grib: they should be the output of crypt(3). |
| 20:30:08 | greeno | grib: on a normal system, I'd use crypt or some perl modules. Might be easier than trying to hack something up onto your ipaq |
| 20:30:20 | grib | ok, thanks |
| 20:31:20 | greeno | np |
| 20:31:20 | cworth | grib: something like this would do the trick: perl -e 'print crypt("passw0rd","a5"), "\n";' |
| 20:31:55 | greeno | cworth: exactly what I had in mind ;-) |
| 20:32:12 | grib | cworth: but you put the salt before the crypt output in the passwd file, right? or does crypt(3) prepend the salt? |
| 20:34:58 | cworth | grib: crypt output has the salt. |
| 20:35:10 | grib | thx for all your help today |
| 20:35:11 | sgodsell | is back (gone 15:34:01) |
| 20:49:56 | greeno | sgodsell: wb |
| 20:51:00 | pigeon | greeno morning |
| 20:52:29 | sgodsell | Hello greeno |
| 20:53:04 | greeno | pigeon: morning sir - sounds like the NIC isn't the problem! |
| 20:53:13 | pigeon | Oh? |
| 20:53:35 | greeno | After my posting, a few people using the single sleeve mailed me to say they were using the card fine |
| 20:53:46 | greeno | looks like the probelm could be with the dual sleeve |
| 20:53:56 | pigeon | Hmm... |
| 20:54:10 | pigeon | Do you mean the dual sleeve is not working? |
| 20:54:16 | pigeon | Or it's the dual sleeve + your nic? |
| 20:54:37 | greeno | pigeon: the dual sleeve is working, but introducing issues when combined with the NIC.... or thats what I'm assuming atm |
| 20:55:10 | pigeon | Hmm actually, sometimes I will have problems with my nic too. |
| 20:55:15 | pigeon | But not as bad as yours I think. |
| 20:55:37 | greeno | mine works for tops of 30 seconds - then it just goes offine and console fills with errors |
| 21:13:15 | greeno | EGg0_work: morning |
| 22:04:02 | MalteseFalcon | Hola! |
| 22:05:22 | greeno | MalteseFalcon: morning |
| 22:05:27 | MalteseFalcon | Hey... does anyone know if there's a mingle import from something like gnomecard? |
| 22:05:47 | MalteseFalcon | greeno: Morning? Hmmm... it's evening here. :) |
| 22:06:30 | DragonEagle | is away: work |
| 22:07:19 | greeno | MalteseFalcon: Sydney ;-) |
| 22:09:39 | MalteseFalcon | greeno: Ahhh... that makes sense. I have family in Sydney and in the Gold Coast. |
| 22:10:17 | greeno | MalteseFalcon: cool |
| 22:18:25 | greeno | a7r: wb |
| 22:18:31 | a7r | hey.. |
| 22:47:26 | EGg0_work | greeno: greeno I wasn't ignoring you, I just got home. Looks like I was timed out and autologged in. |
| 22:47:28 | EGg0_work | is away: I'm reading a book. Do you remember books? |
| 22:47:34 | EGg0_work | is back (gone 00:00:04) |
| 22:47:57 | greeno | EGg0: don't worry about it ;-) |
| 23:00:41 | dave | heuy folks |
| 23:01:28 | a7r | hey.. |
| 23:02:21 | greeno | dave: morning |
| 23:05:20 | dave | finally got a CF sleave now trying to mount the memory |
| 23:07:14 | dave | is v0.5 officially realeased now ? |
| 23:09:42 | xrt | dave: I don't think so |
| 23:10:14 | dave | nods .. |
| 23:10:14 | xrt | unless you've heard something I haven't (?) |
| 23:10:53 | dave | just noticed lots of emails about dir changes etc on the mailing list and wondered about it thats all |
| 23:12:48 | xrt | oh, I'm not subscribed to that. Thanks for reminding me :) |
| 23:13:46 | a7r | there're ~ 2 more bugs being fixed for v0.5.. |
| 23:14:18 | dave | wheres the best place to look for mounting cf card advice ?? |
| 23:14:35 | greeno | dave: what advice do you need? |
| 23:14:45 | dave | how to start ;-> |
| 23:15:12 | greeno | dave: put your card in and see what happens..... my microdrive was detected without any additional work |
| 23:15:28 | greeno | then put a fs on it (if it doesn't have one already) and mount it |
| 23:16:16 | dave | the docs claim it has an fs .. vfat I assume How can I tell if its been rinstalled .. and what device would it be ? |
| 23:17:05 | greeno | dave: my microdrive shows up as /dev/hda, it has a vfat partition on it (/dev/hda1) |
| 23:17:28 | greeno | so, after insertion, try 'mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda' |
| 23:17:43 | dave | greeno: ok ill try mounting it .. thanks alot |
| 23:17:49 | greeno | dave: np |
| 23:18:46 | dave | greeno: comes back with mount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist |
| 23:19:08 | greeno | dave: any console messages when you inserted? |
| 23:19:33 | dave | hold on will have to remove and insert I inserted it off the cradle |
| 23:19:38 | greeno | do you have the ipkg's for the sleeve/cards etc |
| 23:20:35 | dave | nots sure if they are not part of task-compleate prolly not .. |
| 23:20:50 | greeno | dave: don't think they are |
| 23:23:09 | dave | hold on ill look through the packages file and see what i need |
| 23:23:42 | greeno | dave: pcmcia-cs pcmcia-modules-2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs vfat-modules-2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs hotplug |
| 23:23:47 | greeno | should get you going |
| 23:23:49 | greeno | I think |
| 23:24:03 | dave | the pcmica stuff for a cf sleave ? |
| 23:25:12 | greeno | ah - just the cf sleeve - sorry |
| 23:25:17 | greeno | didn't see that bit |
| 23:25:31 | greeno | hmmmm - I have the dual sleeve - maybe different |
| 23:25:44 | dave | sorry ... its a CF sleave and a 64mb cf card kingstton if thats important ;-> |
| 23:26:09 | greeno | try just hotplug and vfat, then see what the kernel says on insertion |
| 23:28:25 | dave | Ok the dirs have changed .. thanks ill give it a try in a sec once ive changed the ipkg.conf stuff ... need to find it all again ;-> |
| 23:29:19 | greeno | dave: no problem - I'll be going out to lunch in 30 mins - but I won't be long |
| 23:30:36 | dave | nods need to drag my wife out now i think about tit tooo ... Ill try this stuff first though ... thanks for the help etc .. have a good meail |
| 23:31:19 | greeno | dave: cheers |
| 23:33:30 | dave | whats the difference between v0.5 and v0.5-pre ? |
| 23:34:10 | a7r | v0.5 isn't out yet.. v0.5-pre is a symlink to v0.5 |
| 23:34:23 | dave | cool thanks |
| 23:45:55 | dave | is there such a thing as a pdf viewer compiled for iPAQ ?? |
| 23:46:54 | greeno | dave: not that I'm aware of - but there is likey to be one in Debian/arm |
| 23:48:04 | pigeon | someone was running xpdf on the ipaq IIRC |
| 23:48:25 | dave | Id love to know where to find the binary ? |
| 23:51:08 | pigeon | Try debian arm binary as a start maybe... |