| 00:21:29 | EGg0 | is away: who am I kidding |
| 00:21:45 | EGg0 | is back (gone 00:00:05) |
| 00:53:44 | cpage | humm... why is nbd.o in the mbd-modules* package? |
| 00:59:01 | jacques | type |
| 00:59:04 | jacques | typo |
| 00:59:07 | jacques | :-) |
| 00:59:59 | cpage | :) |
| 01:00:07 | cpage | also i needed to cross-compile nbd-client |
| 01:03:00 | cpage | grr. can't chroot into nbd |
| 01:08:48 | a7r | re.. |
| 01:10:23 | terrys | a7r: any insight on why pcmcia-cs appears stuck at 3.1.22 ? |
| 01:10:52 | a7r | hrm? |
| 01:11:08 | a7r | how do you mean it's stuck? |
| 01:11:41 | terrys | a7r: I explicitly installed pcmcia-cs-3.1.29-4 ipkg from the unstable feed and it keeps telling me its 3.1.22 |
| 01:11:58 | a7r | terrys: er. |
| 01:12:33 | a7r | terrys: can you paste the status? |
| 01:13:08 | terrys | a7r: cardmgr version 3.1.22 |
| 01:14:22 | a7r | terrys: you've ipkg updated, and what feed are you pointing at? |
| 01:15:31 | terrys | I had earlier just reflashed, then did the explict ipkg install after uodating... |
| 01:16:09 | terrys | a7r: src familiar-unstable http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l |
| 01:18:06 | a7r | terrys: bizarre.. it's correct in the feed. |
| 01:19:01 | terrys | a7r: unless the version string has been miscoded - who ported 3.1.29 ? |
| 01:19:13 | a7r | terrys: it's not.. I did it. |
| 01:20:05 | terrys | a7r: and cardmgr tells ya its 3.1.29 ? |
| 01:20:25 | a7r | terrys: oh, you mean cardmgr's is saying it's a different version? |
| 01:20:46 | terrys | for starters |
| 01:21:17 | a7r | terrys: pcmcia-cs is based on a bunch of bits and pieces put together, so that doesn't surprise me. |
| 01:22:05 | terrys | a7r: ahh - I would have thought the bits and pieces would want to track a common release... |
| 01:22:20 | a7r | terrys: is it broken for you? |
| 01:24:36 | terrys | a7r: a quick check seems to be ok however since I'm doing driver work its not a confidence builder... I need to take a closer look |
| 01:25:10 | a7r | terrys: take confidence in the fact that it works well so far.. if there's a problem, we'll fix it. |
| 01:26:00 | terrys | a7r: sure - if required I'll build my own pcmcia-cs |
| 02:08:49 | greeno | is back (gone 02:30:51) |
| 02:51:32 | EGg0 | is away: Sleepy time... "Put the TuxScreen away or call the Divorce lawyer" ... :-) |
| 10:21:57 | CraHan | hello |
| 12:39:02 | grib | hey anybody: is there an ipkg source for kaffe or other java VM? |
| 13:55:48 | EGg0 | is away: (parts shopping...) |
| 15:07:56 | EGg0 | is back (gone 01:12:05) |
| 16:01:57 | dneuer | hi all |
| 16:52:31 | NetGhost | hello?? |
| 16:53:28 | NetGhost | noone is chatting? |
| 17:35:25 | alexksso | hi!! |
| 17:35:59 | alexksso | I just installed familiar configured my ppp connec .. I ping everything ok but cannot ipkg update ... |
| 17:36:13 | alexksso | can any1 show me his ipkg.conf file !? |
| 17:39:15 | Kero | you set up masquerading on your main machine? |
| 17:40:26 | alexksso | it just worked |
| 17:40:31 | alexksso | i had a typo in ipkg.conf |
| 17:40:33 | alexksso | :)) |
| 17:40:56 | Kero | ah |
| 17:47:56 | alexksso | i get that mess now ipkg_depends: Warning: base-passwd mentioned in dependency but no package found in //usr/lib/ipkg/available |
| 17:48:05 | alexksso | I try to install task-x |
| 17:48:28 | alexksso | what does that mean ?? |
| 17:53:10 | Kero | that means somebody forgot to remove the mention of that package as dependency. |
| 17:53:29 | alexksso | hen that's no real pb ? |
| 17:53:57 | alexksso | I had dozens of messages of that type though |
| 17:53:59 | Kero | pb? confused... |
| 17:54:23 | Kero | dozens? What version of familiar are you installing? |
| 17:54:48 | alexksso | ipkg_depends: Warning: xfree86-common mentioned in dependency but no package found in //usr/lib/ipkg/available |
| 17:54:51 | alexksso | v4.0 |
| 17:55:13 | alexksso | 0.4 |
| 17:55:16 | alexksso | sorry :p |
| 17:56:11 | Kero | right. I recommend installing 0.5, it is stable enough. |
| 17:56:20 | alexksso | hummm |
| 17:56:26 | alexksso | I got nothing against :) |
| 17:56:32 | alexksso | how do i upgrade ? |
| 17:56:40 | alexksso | just change my ipkg.conf? |
| 17:56:59 | alexksso | I'll have to reload a new kernel and so on ? |
| 17:58:04 | Kero | familiar 0.5 suggests new bootloader, kernel and even partitioning of flash, compared to 0.4 |
| 17:59:13 | Kero | but updating ipkg.conf only will do some tricks, too. |
| 17:59:27 | Kero | I had to remove a set of old (libc related) libraries by hand. |
| 17:59:48 | Kero | and you may have to watch kernel-related packages sharply (modules!) |
| 18:00:49 | Kero | In other words, unless you know what you do, do a complete upgrade, not the ipkg.conf possibility. |
| 18:01:11 | alexksso | yeah ok |
| 18:01:19 | Kero | Ah, there's the main familiar-guy! |
| 18:01:21 | Kero | hi a7r |
| 18:01:23 | alexksso | any way X works fine |
| 18:01:31 | a7r | hey Kero.. how's life? |
| 18:02:06 | Kero | doing fine; leaving for Mexico in slightly over a week. |
| 18:02:23 | a7r | cool, business or pleasure? |
| 18:02:32 | Kero | Had I mentioned to you already I upgraded to familiar 0.5 instead of plainly installing it? |
| 18:02:36 | Kero | holiday! |
| 18:02:48 | a7r | great... no you didn't. |
| 18:03:06 | Kero | bit of a pain, but not that much. |
| 18:05:18 | Kero | had to remove old libc libraries by hand; doesn't seem to hurt. |
| 18:42:16 | EGg0 | is away: placing my TuxScreen under the tire of my car. |
| 18:43:27 | cpage | ? |
| 18:49:00 | alexksso | Kero: I installed 0.5 |
| 18:49:19 | alexksso | Kero: but launching ipkg installed_pending |
| 18:49:26 | alexksso | Kero: doesn't do anything |
| 18:50:26 | Kero | confession: I upgraded, didn't do the install... |
| 18:50:39 | alexksso | Kero: bad boy :) |
| 18:51:01 | alexksso | ok I'll do without :) |
| 18:51:06 | Kero | wellll..... I hack the kernel, so I like to think I know what I'm doing :) |
| 18:51:26 | alexksso | wait .... |
| 18:51:35 | Kero | There are some packages you wish to install, for sure. |
| 18:51:38 | alexksso | how can I install anything withou ssh ? |
| 18:51:40 | Kero | from install_pending |
| 18:51:54 | Kero | tries to remember in which directory they are put... |
| 18:52:00 | Kero | in /tmp/something? |
| 18:52:28 | alexksso | there is a /tmp/ipkg |
| 18:52:32 | alexksso | but nothing inside |
| 18:54:07 | alexksso | how can I download them onto the device through a terminal ? |
| 18:56:18 | alexksso | Kero: any clue . |
| 18:56:19 | alexksso | ? |
| 18:57:33 | Kero | you can use zmodem through minicom |
| 18:58:12 | alexksso | oki |
| 18:58:15 | Kero | bit odd there is nothing inside, but I really wouldn't know more about it than that. |
| 18:58:30 | alexksso | no server to launch on the ipaq |
| 18:58:42 | Kero | what server do you mean? |
| 18:59:06 | alexksso | don't know sth to get a fie from the serail port in zmodem format for example |
| 19:00:27 | Kero | that's easy -- ^A-s in minicom will start the upload. |
| 19:00:39 | alexksso | yep |
| 19:00:41 | alexksso | indeed |
| 19:00:50 | Kero | it will start with `rz`, which launches the receiving part on command-line in iPAQ. |
| 19:00:51 | alexksso | I'm quite surprised it's so easy btw |
| 19:03:10 | Kero | some ppl did there job! |
| 19:04:59 | alexksso | sheet there are dependencies for ssh |
| 19:05:11 | alexksso | some ppl did not do there job :p |
| 19:09:16 | alexksso | generatig DSA parameter and key ..... it's damn slowwww!!!!! |
| 19:09:26 | Kero | yes, that's slow. |
| 19:09:27 | a7r | welcome to a lack of FPU. |
| 19:09:34 | alexksso | arf |
| 19:09:40 | Kero | but it works. |
| 19:09:45 | alexksso | FPU is that bad ? |
| 19:09:54 | Kero | what FPU? |
| 19:10:00 | Kero | there is no FPU. |
| 19:10:05 | alexksso | ah ok |
| 19:10:06 | Kero | your kernel is emulating it. |
| 19:10:09 | alexksso | sorry :) |
| 19:10:18 | alexksso | wow it's done ! |
| 19:10:22 | Kero | :) |
| 19:13:09 | alexksso | ssh up and running !:) |
| 19:13:18 | alexksso | now the ppp part .. |
| 19:20:15 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 12:44:58) |
| 19:26:24 | alexksso | godam ipkg |
| 19:26:37 | alexksso | the same error again during the update |
| 19:27:16 | alexksso | sheet i got a proxy |
| 19:27:58 | EGg0 | is back (gone 00:45:45) |
| 19:28:12 | alexksso | better now :) |
| 19:28:27 | alexksso | Kero: do you know how i could mount wi cf card ? |
| 19:29:23 | alexksso | what fs is that? |
| 19:36:30 | alexksso | oki found th answer |
| 19:53:23 | alexksso | Kero: you got 5 mins |
| 19:53:34 | alexksso | can you explain me how to install blackbox? |
| 19:53:42 | alexksso | I ipkg it |
| 19:53:55 | alexksso | and ter is still an oter sheet running after reboot |
| 19:54:12 | alexksso | a thing where the only thing i can do is tile the screen ... cool! |
| 20:00:17 | Kero | alexksso: :) |
| 20:00:22 | Kero | that's called ion. |
| 20:00:37 | Kero | it's a great WM. |
| 20:01:13 | Kero | you may want to check /etc/init.d/x, it should launch a few apps, not only x-window-manager (symlink to ion or blackbox) |
| 20:06:52 | GPyaeL | @++ |
| 20:09:10 | alexksso | oki i'll check that :) |
| 20:09:31 | alexksso | i found sth calle gtk menu that turne the dead wm ito sth less unuseful |
| 20:10:52 | Kero | sounds likely. |
| 20:11:03 | Kero | package gtkmenu or gtk-menu |
| 20:11:20 | a7r | there's a bug with update alternatives that's causing the task-complete installs to not set up the window manager and such right. |
| 20:12:06 | alexksso | i used task-x |
| 20:12:18 | alexksso | and it was buggy too:) |
| 20:12:26 | alexksso | bu anyway i made my way through it |
| 20:16:51 | Kero | Your speed of progress sounds like you know what you're doing. |
| 20:17:04 | Kero | Worked with linux/unix a lot before? |
| 20:32:16 | alexksso | yep |
| 20:32:22 | alexksso | I'm currently on debian |
| 20:32:52 | alexksso | I'm student engineer in telecommunications so I spend half on my life in front of sun boxes or debian :) |
| 20:33:15 | alexksso | you know the name of the package containing the mkfs stuff ? |
| 20:33:21 | alexksso | Kero: :) ? |
| 20:33:48 | alexksso | btw sun keybords sux |
| 20:36:04 | alexksso | Kero: there are o manpages !!! :)) lol !!! |
| 20:36:29 | Kero | of course there are no manpages :) |
| 20:36:37 | Kero | they suck up space |
| 20:36:56 | alexksso | yep |
| 20:37:09 | alexksso | bt when I typed man i was kinda sad |
| 20:37:10 | alexksso | :) |
| 20:37:21 | alexksso | any clue for a mkfs.reiserfs |
| 20:37:23 | alexksso | ? |
| 20:37:24 | Kero | not sure there is a mkfs* in a familiar package. |
| 20:37:30 | alexksso | yep there is |
| 20:37:34 | Kero | You may need an intimate package for that |
| 20:37:37 | alexksso | ext2fsutils |
| 20:37:40 | alexksso | dosfsutils |
| 20:37:42 | a7r | I don't think mkfs.reiserfs works on ARM at present.. |
| 20:37:49 | a7r | but I don't use it, so I don't know. |
| 20:37:53 | alexksso | it does |
| 20:38:02 | alexksso | well at least the moduels |
| 20:38:05 | alexksso | modules |
| 20:38:05 | alexksso | :) |
| 20:38:11 | alexksso | it's loaded right |
| 20:38:13 | a7r | yeah, note I said ``mkfs.reiserfs''. |
| 20:38:19 | alexksso | ok I note :) |
| 20:38:42 | alexksso | but I saw sth about so speaking about his reiserfs formatted microdrive |
| 20:38:51 | alexksso | you think he could have done that on his pc ? |
| 20:38:56 | a7r | yes. |
| 20:39:01 | alexksso | sh*** |
| 20:42:39 | alexksso | Kero: think youre right ... no mkfs |
| 20:44:38 | Kero | :( |
| 20:45:38 | alexksso | tell me merging of 2 mounts in & single direcory is still not implemented isn't it ? |
| 20:46:34 | alexksso | how could i make best use of mi cf card? |
| 20:48:05 | Kero | two mounts in one dir? I don't think so... |
| 20:48:22 | alexksso | think people are working on it |
| 20:48:37 | alexksso | i read sth about it a month ago |
| 20:48:46 | Kero | though there are some network based things that achieve something similar. Wouldn't know their names... |
| 20:49:02 | Kero | dunno about mi cf, don't have any. |
| 20:49:12 | alexksso | mi = my :) |
| 20:49:21 | alexksso | cf = compact flash :)) |
| 20:49:35 | alexksso | i know i'm not allways clear |
| 20:50:37 | alexksso | hmmm mingle doesn't work ... |
| 20:50:52 | a7r | that's not a very good bug report. ;) |
| 20:51:50 | alexksso | yep dependencies unmet |
| 20:51:56 | alexksso | it requests imlib |
| 20:52:05 | alexksso | but ipkg didn't install it by himself |
| 20:52:18 | a7r | that's a python package problem. |
| 20:52:20 | alexksso | and imlib had plenty of deps |
| 20:52:27 | alexksso | you bet it didn't work |
| 20:52:37 | alexksso | a7r: looks so ! |
| 20:53:04 | a7r | alexksso: let me fix that.. |
| 20:53:42 | alexksso | a7r: libglade is missing too |
| 20:53:46 | alexksso | libglade0 |
| 20:53:52 | a7r | alexksso: and the XML libraries.. |
| 20:53:53 | a7r | and on and on.. |
| 20:53:57 | alexksso | arf |
| 20:54:07 | a7r | I'm not going to fix them all, as I've got a rebuild of that packag ecoming.. |
| 20:54:09 | alexksso | don't know i'm doing it one by one :) |
| 20:54:55 | alexksso | it works ! |
| 20:54:56 | cpage | a7r: is there a complete familiar source tree somewhere? |
| 20:55:12 | a7r | cpage: it's scattered.. a project for v0.6 is to unify it all. |
| 20:55:20 | cpage | cool |
| 20:57:46 | alexksso | a7r: it's daaaaamn slow .... |
| 20:58:00 | alexksso | would v0.5 be compiled in debug mode ? |
| 20:58:40 | alexksso | lol pressing + in the keyboard emulator makes an = |
| 20:58:42 | alexksso | !!!!!! |
| 20:59:15 | a7r | alexksso: what's damn slow, ipkg? |
| 21:00:45 | alexksso | nope mingle but actually it just hang a few secs... i didn't click hard enough ! :) |
| 21:00:52 | a7r | haha |
| 21:01:43 | alexksso | youre french a7r? |
| 21:01:48 | a7r | moi? |
| 21:01:52 | alexksso | yep toi |
| 21:01:56 | a7r | no.. English American. |
| 21:02:02 | alexksso | ah oki :) |
| 21:02:12 | alexksso | the haha looks quite french to me :) |
| 21:03:46 | alexksso | a7r: how can you make rxvt look good ? |
| 21:03:56 | a7r | run /root/postinst |
| 21:04:10 | alexksso | i mean there no use w are i t i n g l i k e t h a t |
| 21:04:12 | alexksso | oki :) |
| 21:04:30 | a7r | that's because you don't have truetype fonts installed. |
| 21:06:53 | alexksso | oki doc works better now |
| 21:07:05 | alexksso | stange ntpdate doesn't work anymore |
| 21:07:06 | alexksso | .... |
| 21:07:43 | alexksso | hey guy |
| 21:07:57 | alexksso | ever thought about the guys behind a proxy ? |
| 21:08:00 | alexksso | :) |
| 21:08:11 | alexksso | i needed tu modify your script .... |
| 21:08:21 | alexksso | the postinst.... |
| 21:09:16 | alexksso | a7r: wow that wasn't enough ... |
| 21:09:31 | alexksso | there area few things that are not found on the ftp .... |
| 21:10:35 | alexksso | a7r: where is the thing trying to connect on the microsoft server ? |
| 21:14:30 | alexksso | a7r: i'm getting them by hand ( sic) |
| 21:14:45 | alexksso | you haveno idea about how to force it through the proxy ? |
| 21:15:01 | a7r | look at /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 21:16:20 | alexksso | yep ipkg is fine |
| 21:16:36 | alexksso | but the postinstall fetches files on its own |
| 21:16:41 | alexksso | in http .... |
| 21:16:52 | alexksso | and port 80 isclosed |
| 21:16:56 | a7r | oh right.. you can set some environment variables.. |
| 21:17:06 | alexksso | sounds good :) |
| 21:17:20 | a7r | http_proxy |
| 21:17:30 | a7r | wget will pick that up. |
| 21:18:04 | alexksso | oki i'll try that |
| 21:23:50 | alexksso | a7r: yoooop done :) |
| 21:26:38 | alexksso | a7r: is there a way to have boot infos appear at boot time ? |
| 21:26:47 | a7r | alexksso: what boot infos? |
| 21:27:33 | alexksso | kernel .. init and so on |
| 21:27:40 | alexksso | fs check |
| 21:27:47 | alexksso | well everithing |
| 21:27:52 | a7r | you mean on something besides the serial port? |
| 21:28:33 | alexksso | when you boot and listn the serial port you get the same info as whe you boot your linux bor |
| 21:28:40 | alexksso | kernel version |
| 21:28:51 | alexksso | deamons starting... |
| 21:29:05 | a7r | yup. |
| 21:29:11 | alexksso | is it possible to have them display under the pinguin? |
| 21:29:26 | a7r | yeah, just don't redirect your console at ttySA0 |
| 21:29:45 | alexksso | and there is definetly a bug with the virtual keyboard ant ht '+' key |
| 21:29:53 | alexksso | ok |
| 21:30:15 | alexksso | but if i break everything i loose my console don't i ? |
| 21:31:16 | alexksso | what i'm saying is stupid |
| 21:31:26 | alexksso | i just have to change kernl parameters back |
| 21:33:10 | DragonEagle | is away: 2:30 in morning too early...me need rest |
| 21:33:19 | alexksso | a7r: can you explain me sth ? |
| 21:33:47 | alexksso | i don't understand how everything is mounted .... |
| 21:35:03 | alexksso | /dev/mtdblock/1 is my rom right ? |
| 21:35:16 | alexksso | (it's only 16MB° |
| 21:35:25 | a7r | yup. |
| 21:35:27 | alexksso | where are my 32MB ram ? |
| 21:35:36 | alexksso | /dev/hda is my compact flash |
| 21:35:38 | a7r | /mnt/ramfs |
| 21:35:41 | alexksso | 16MB oo |
| 21:35:43 | alexksso | !!! |
| 21:35:54 | alexksso | oki but what is the dev name |
| 21:36:00 | alexksso | it is not mounted at boot |
| 21:36:08 | alexksso | at least doesn't appear n df |
| 21:36:18 | a7r | there is no dev name, ramfs is a pointer into Linux's filesystem cache. |
| 21:36:51 | alexksso | wait |
| 21:37:03 | alexksso | so how can I know how muchspace there is left ? |
| 21:37:16 | a7r | /proc has memory info. |
| 21:38:01 | alexksso | anyway it is normal that it doesn't appear in df ? |
| 21:39:15 | alexksso | youll hav to explain me your proc trick .... |
| 21:39:41 | DragonEagle | alexksso: yes it's normal, and `free` |
| 21:39:53 | a7r | alexksso: cat /proc/meminfo |
| 21:39:55 | alexksso | Damn ! /proc/kcore is 33MB !!! |
| 21:40:15 | a7r | that's because you have 32 MB of RAM. |
| 21:40:39 | alexksso | oki it's som kind of trick too !? :p |
| 21:44:09 | alexksso | strange ... i must have done sth .. /mnt/ramfs is now empty |
| 21:45:02 | alexksso | can so make a ls -la /mnt/ramfs/ so that i ma check i made it right ? |
| 21:48:36 | EGg0 | is away: Going out to dinner. |
| 22:20:44 | alexksso | hi back :) |
| 22:21:46 | alexksso | a7r: i've got a question : how do you name in english the thing you plug in your video card to have the output on the wall ? |
| 22:22:00 | alexksso | a barco !? |
| 22:23:22 | a7r | alexksso: you mean a projector? |
| 22:23:31 | alexksso | ok like in french |
| 22:23:49 | alexksso | i thought there was another name for it .... |
| 22:44:07 | alexksso | a7r: you know what familiar is not bad |
| 22:44:27 | alexksso | a7r: do you have any experience with pocketlinux & Co ? |
| 22:45:21 | a7r | not really.. |
| 22:45:49 | alexksso | what are the differences ? |
| 22:46:03 | a7r | they use things like Java for their user interfaces. |
| 22:46:45 | alexksso | ye that'sot a good idea |
| 23:21:46 | alexksso | muffff...... |
| 23:24:18 | alexksso | well intimate is not how could i say tha perfectly user friendly |
| 23:24:59 | alexksso | a7r: is there so working on a time schedule |
| 23:25:00 | alexksso | ? |
| 23:25:12 | a7r | what? |
| 23:25:33 | alexksso | a scheduler where you could put your apointements |
| 23:25:39 | alexksso | any1 working on that? |
| 23:25:58 | a7r | yeah,.. I am, with some other people. |
| 23:26:08 | alexksso | koz having linux on ipaq is fun but ipaq is not a networking tool it's a pda :) |
| 23:26:17 | alexksso | and how is it going ? |
| 23:26:52 | alexksso | pre alpha state ? |
| 23:27:31 | a7r | kind of. |
| 23:27:36 | alexksso | lol |
| 23:28:09 | alexksso | need some help ? |
| 23:28:29 | a7r | yeah.. always. |
| 23:29:04 | alexksso | oki how can I help ? |
| 23:29:33 | a7r | let me talk to you in a bit about it.. I'm hacking on some PCMCIA damage right now. |
| 23:29:44 | alexksso | oki :) |
| 23:30:23 | alexksso | don't wait too much it's 1h30 am in france :) i'm kinda tired :) |
| 23:35:32 | alexksso | I'm wondering ...is mingle a pre alpha ? |
| 23:44:57 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 02:11:46) |