| 00:44:18 | jg_ | a7r: still there? |
| 00:44:28 | a7r | yeah. |
| 00:44:42 | jg_ | keithp accepted our offer... |
| 00:44:46 | a7r | bad ass. |
| 00:44:57 | jg_ | Yup. One down, two to go... |
| 00:45:06 | a7r | I've got a bunch of Salamander UI stuff I want to talk to him about.. |
| 00:45:31 | jg_ | btw, a guy's been hacking on squishing gtk further... |
| 00:45:37 | a7r | great. |
| 00:46:05 | jg_ | supposed to have something for me to play with: if I'm happy, we'll check it in |
| 00:46:14 | jg_ | and I'll get you a new package... |
| 00:46:27 | a7r | great. |
| 00:46:29 | jg_ | file dialog is small enough to be usable, for example... |
| 00:47:19 | jg_ | remember, get me a salamander ipkg sometime... |
| 00:48:57 | jg_ | time to go to bed... |
| 00:48:59 | a7r | jg_: yup.. I was testing it some more today.. I need to get a new Python out before I start handing out ipkgs.. |
| 00:49:03 | a7r | jg_: good night. |
| 00:49:09 | jg_ | night... |
| 01:58:30 | EGg0 | is back (gone 02:12:43) |
| 02:05:28 | EGg0 | is away: Second star on the right, straight on 'till morning. |
| 02:15:38 | DragonEagle | damn, missed jg |
| 02:26:39 | coldoutside | good morning |
| 02:27:50 | DragonEagle | heheh living in a dessert has it's advantages :) |
| 02:28:44 | coldoutside | anyone feel like answering some innocuous quesions as to the ability to use Familiar in day to day PDA sorts of tasks? |
| 02:29:10 | DragonEagle | don't ask to ask, just ask:) |
| 02:29:28 | coldoutside | hah :) |
| 02:29:44 | coldoutside | I feel like such a lamer on these channels though, as I have yet to get my serial cradle and load it up |
| 02:30:06 | DragonEagle | coldoutside: your not the first, and won't be the last |
| 02:30:17 | coldoutside | hehehe |
| 02:30:19 | coldoutside | ok |
| 02:30:44 | DragonEagle | I think we all "toyed" with the idea before we made the ieap |
| 02:31:59 | coldoutside | mainly- I'd really prefer to get Familiar up and running to have the ability to experiment and, as a major factor, be able to SSH in and out of the thing. |
| 02:32:15 | coldoutside | I'm mainly curious, though, about the ability to use it still as a PDA. |
| 02:32:42 | DragonEagle | don't quote me on this, but I believe that the new boot loader is able to duel boot |
| 02:33:00 | coldoutside | I got rid of my palm and would like to still have the iPaq function as more than some cool little gadget that runs Linux and lets me ssh around campus with my wireless card :D |
| 02:33:03 | DragonEagle | but new apps are being ported and created every day |
| 02:33:20 | coldoutside | how much ram/rom does that require though? I have the 32/16 (3650) iPaq |
| 02:33:47 | DragonEagle | what's the range on your wireless? |
| 02:34:16 | coldoutside | as opposed to my girlfriend who has the 64/32 |
| 02:34:28 | coldoutside | hangs head in shame |
| 02:34:35 | coldoutside | hrmm. that depends |
| 02:35:04 | coldoutside | it gets decently far around my house, but I'm going between two PCMCIA cards still as I haven't gotten an external antenna |
| 02:35:08 | coldoutside | (yet, anyway) |
| 02:35:25 | coldoutside | around campus, it's pretty good- where they have antennas, anyway. |
| 02:35:48 | coldoutside | a few buildings are fully covered and quite a few are mostly covered |
| 02:36:39 | DragonEagle | what pda functions would you need, I can probably tell you if they're available |
| 02:36:50 | coldoutside | mainly, scheduling and contact info |
| 02:36:57 | DragonEagle | hehe both there |
| 02:37:00 | coldoutside | and (I doubt this exists yet) the ability to sync with my pc |
| 02:37:36 | DragonEagle | uh, not yet, but it's being worked on |
| 02:37:51 | DragonEagle | has been playing with cvs for syncing |
| 02:37:58 | coldoutside | cvs? |
| 02:38:21 | DragonEagle | yeah, the concerunt version system |
| 02:38:54 | coldoutside | have you gotten that to successfully work between your iPaq and a desktop? |
| 02:39:18 | DragonEagle | not completely |
| 02:39:37 | coldoutside | I'm assuming you run a copy of the program on your desktop? |
| 02:39:49 | coldoutside | now... that couldn't be too hard |
| 02:40:19 | DragonEagle | yah, you have to use the same program on both sides, eg run mingle on both the ipaq and your desktop |
| 02:40:34 | coldoutside | that's a really cool idea, I have to say :) |
| 02:41:09 | DragonEagle | thx, but it still needs some ironing |
| 02:41:40 | coldoutside | how well does CVS handle syncing when information on both ends changes? |
| 02:42:00 | coldoutside | I've never actually used CVS before :\ albeit I've toyed with it a tiny bit |
| 02:42:01 | DragonEagle | hey, does anybody know if a gtk widget can accept events if it's not visible? |
| 02:42:20 | DragonEagle | I keep a cpl of repositorys on my desktop |
| 02:45:06 | coldoutside | is there a distributed version of Mingle for x86? |
| 02:45:37 | DragonEagle | mingle is writen in python |
| 02:49:36 | coldoutside | I'm finding the .ipk's - is there an actual development site for Mingle? |
| 02:50:31 | | mingle is the familiar contact manager based on the familiar framework. or a pain in the ass. or http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/familiar/framework/ |
| 02:50:31 | DragonEagle | ibot mingle |
| 02:53:24 | DragonEagle | coldoutside: it took some digging, but http://www.andern.org/~gjg/mingle/ |
| 02:54:20 | coldoutside | thanks :) |
| 02:54:38 | DragonEagle | np |
| 02:54:48 | | ...but mingle is the familiar contact manager based on the familiar framework. or a pain in the ass. or http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/familiar/framework/... |
| 02:54:48 | DragonEagle | ibot mingle is alos http://www.andern.org/~gjg/mingle/ |
| 02:54:55 | | okay, DragonEagle. |
| 02:54:55 | DragonEagle | ibot mingle is also http://www.andern.org/~gjg/mingle/ |
| 02:55:16 | | i think mingle is the familiar contact manager based on the familiar framework. or a pain in the ass. or http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/familiar/framework/ or http://www.andern.org/~gjg/mingle/ |
| 02:55:16 | coldoutside | ibot mingle |
| 02:55:24 | coldoutside | that's really cool. |
| 02:55:31 | DragonEagle | hehe |
| 02:55:33 | | DragonEagle: sorry... |
| 02:55:33 | DragonEagle | ibot reboot |
| 02:55:34 | coldoutside | (it doesn't take much to amuse me, does it?) |
| 02:55:43 | | i guess brain check is without consequence as I don't have one |
| 02:55:43 | DragonEagle | ibot brain check |
| 02:58:54 | coldoutside | does Mingle handle scheduling? |
| 02:59:33 | DragonEagle | on, there is another proggie for that (several choices) |
| 04:11:09 | DragonEagle | is away: just away |
| 13:16:43 | alexksso | a7r: hi again ! |
| 15:48:04 | EGg0 | is back (gone 13:42:28) |
| 16:08:53 | DPadilla | hi ppl |
| 16:09:27 | DPadilla | <-- first time here |
| 16:09:34 | DPadilla | <-- yopy user |
| 17:37:55 | EGg0 | is away: I'm reading a book. Do you remember books? |
| 19:33:16 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 15:22:05) |
| 19:35:40 | kamiz | Anyone got experience with WinCE restoration? |
| 21:03:51 | coldoutside_collegiatenonsense | Hello |
| 21:05:35 | coldoutside | anyone alive in here? |
| 21:10:16 | DragonEagle | only in body, the mind is dead, it's been kicking since 3:30 |
| 21:10:20 | DragonEagle | am |
| 21:11:09 | coldoutside | hehehe |
| 21:11:13 | coldoutside | same position here |
| 21:11:30 | coldoutside | only I'd put money on the fact that I'm doing something less fun :( |
| 21:11:55 | DragonEagle | really, try being a cashier at a convience store... I win |
| 21:12:40 | coldoutside | hrmm |
| 21:15:08 | DragonEagle | coldoutside: so how much did I win :) |
| 21:15:38 | DragonEagle | of course you could get off on a technicality, my shift enned at 11:45 :) |
| 21:16:00 | coldoutside | well, it depends |
| 21:16:02 | coldoutside | what convenience store? |
| 21:16:15 | DragonEagle | it's a local chevron/grocery store |
| 21:17:43 | coldoutside | well, we have few (if any) chevron's around here (that I'm aware of anyway) |
| 21:17:52 | coldoutside | so I'm not entirely sure how to compare it ;) |
| 21:18:34 | DragonEagle | I was on my feed tor 8 hours saying would that be "paper or plastic" and "thank you, have a nice day" repetedly |
| 21:18:50 | DragonEagle | s/feed/feet/ |
| 21:19:14 | coldoutside | oi |
| 21:19:18 | coldoutside | ok, I feel for you |
| 21:19:36 | coldoutside | I've been writing two papers- neither of which I'm terribly excited about at the moment |
| 21:19:45 | coldoutside | and I finished five days of straight programming last week |
| 21:19:51 | DragonEagle | yeah, but that's just college life |
| 21:19:58 | coldoutside | have been working on papers since (at least trying to finish ;) |
| 21:20:01 | coldoutside | this is true. |
| 21:20:06 | coldoutside | it's nothing to complain about |
| 21:20:32 | coldoutside | only another year anywho. |
| 21:20:36 | coldoutside | so, what made you choose Chevron? |
| 21:21:24 | DragonEagle | I said I want a job and they said you're hired |
| 21:21:48 | coldoutside | heheh. sounds logical enough :) |
| 21:22:07 | DragonEagle | that and it's part time, so I still have time to write code |
| 21:22:56 | DragonEagle | so, rigth now I'm hacking gtk :) |
| 21:23:40 | coldoutside | that's the thing about opensource |
| 21:23:43 | coldoutside | no money to be made on it ;) |
| 21:24:12 | DragonEagle | in the software industry, work for recognition is just as important as work for pay |
| 21:24:28 | coldoutside | very true |
| 21:26:49 | coldoutside | still have to put money on the table one way or another... |
| 21:27:23 | DragonEagle | exactly |
| 21:27:49 | coldoutside | you could always write databases in |
| 21:27:51 | coldoutside | shudders |
| 21:27:55 | coldoutside | MSAccess |
| 21:28:07 | coldoutside | for random small companies |
| 21:28:10 | DragonEagle | has been doing that for the last year |
| 21:28:57 | DragonEagle | notices how christmasy this channel suddenly looks |
| 21:29:18 | coldoutside | changes colors from purple to green |
| 21:30:11 | coldoutside | you see, this is what this channel degenerates too when no-one else on it talks |
| 21:30:34 | coldoutside | a discussion about MS Access and the relation between the IRC and Christmas |
| 21:30:44 | coldoutside | hehehe |
| 21:31:05 | DragonEagle | http://dragons.espsw.net/currentchat.gif |
| 21:31:08 | banshee | heh |
| 21:31:18 | DragonEagle | you'll see what I mean |
| 21:32:15 | coldoutside | hehehe :) |
| 21:33:59 | coldoutside | silly mIrc. |
| 21:34:09 | DragonEagle | mIrc? |
| 21:34:55 | coldoutside | mIRC |
| 21:35:00 | coldoutside | windows client |
| 21:35:10 | DragonEagle | shudders at the thought |
| 21:36:15 | DragonEagle | well at least it's fairly recient :) |
| 21:36:58 | DragonEagle | fair enough :) |
| 21:37:10 | coldoutside | hey now. be nice to me wee IRC client ;) |
| 21:37:23 | coldoutside | oooh, and an extra 100mhz |
| 21:37:54 | DragonEagle | allen@dragons:~$ free |
| 21:37:54 | DragonEagle | total used free shared buffers |
| 21:37:54 | DragonEagle | Mem: 770408 739096 31312 0 506976 |
| 21:37:54 | DragonEagle | Swap: 1048568 52256 996312 |
| 21:37:54 | DragonEagle | Total: 1818976 791352 1027624 |
| 21:38:20 | DragonEagle | hmmmm, how the hell did this system use up 700MB of ram? |
| 21:38:48 | coldoutside | that's a damn good question, if I may say so. |
| 21:39:02 | coldoutside | xchat is a *full featured* program |
| 21:39:11 | coldoutside | don't you think it's easy to make it feel like Christmas! |
| 21:39:11 | DragonEagle | prolly the nvidia drivers |
| 21:39:35 | DragonEagle | yeah, but that's just the way it turned out |
| 21:40:06 | coldoutside | ah, well. I figure your comp. had it planned all along |
| 21:40:12 | coldoutside | have you ever done dual head on Linux? |
| 21:40:19 | DragonEagle | no |
| 21:40:35 | banshee | dual head, what card? |
| 21:41:13 | coldoutside | two Rage128 cards |
| 21:41:16 | coldoutside | AGP + PCI |
| 21:41:34 | banshee | heh |
| 21:41:46 | coldoutside | I've done dual head under Solaris on a SS20/SS5 and under Irix on an I2 |
| 21:42:11 | coldoutside | and, honestly, Windows is the only platform I can handle it under. |
| 21:42:21 | banshee | tried a radeon dual head 32ddr, then a voodoo3 pci w/ that radeon and then w/ a geforce2, both cases, only the voodoo was being reconized, or none at all if i disabled pci vga in the bios |
| 21:43:14 | coldoutside | hrmm. |
| 21:43:40 | coldoutside | I'm actually more curious as to how the X server handles it- can it give you one large screen? |
| 21:44:22 | coldoutside | this is the main problem I had with it on my Sun- not being able to (easily) move windows back and forth gets old. very quickly. |
| 21:44:58 | coldoutside | banshee : I've not gotten dual-head on a PC to work with any cards other than the two Rage128's |
| 21:45:07 | banshee | heh |
| 21:45:37 | banshee | on other dualhead + X setup's i've seen, works almost as good as a single display.. cept for wm issues |
| 21:46:16 | banshee | like.. how certain window managers that shall remain nameless.. cough.. cough.. gnome.. cough.. kinda.. forget that there's a big portion at the top of the screen and don't manage windows there |
| 21:46:43 | banshee | mainly if you have two monitors that you can't get to same resolution and you don't set a virtual resolution on one of them |
| 21:47:44 | coldoutside | gotcha |
| 21:48:10 | banshee | tmn actually works pretty good on it though |
| 21:48:35 | coldoutside | I'll have to throw Linux back on this peecee at some point |
| 21:48:50 | coldoutside | anyone have a decent-ish sized hard drive they want to get rid of for a reasonable price? :D |
| 21:49:39 | banshee | ... |
| 21:49:50 | banshee | got two 40's filled in this comp right now.. need another 80 or two |
| 21:53:26 | coldoutside | yeah, I need to bite the bullet and buy a few decent sized IDE drives |
| 21:53:51 | coldoutside | I only have 1 20gig at this point, along with a few more 3ish gig drives in other PC's |
| 21:54:19 | coldoutside | at any rate, now that I've completely taken the channel off topic :) |
| 21:55:22 | banshee | topic? |
| 21:56:04 | coldoutside | Familiar? |
| 21:56:15 | a7r | hrm? |
| 21:56:19 | banshee | hey, i'm familiar w/ hard drives.. |
| 21:56:21 | banshee | bwuahahhhaha |
| 21:57:27 | coldoutside | aiee |
| 21:57:30 | coldoutside | that's just too far ;) |
| 21:57:34 | banshee | can feel the kick coming |
| 21:57:51 | coldoutside | I have a few 9gig scsi drives :) |
| 21:57:59 | coldoutside | I need a scsi pcmcia card for the iPaq ;);) |
| 21:58:07 | banshee | heh |
| 21:58:33 | banshee | planning on getting an ide pcmcia card, or a 2-5gb pcmcia for mine when i get it at the end of this month |
| 21:58:33 | coldoutside | although it'd probably take a decent sized battery to keep a 10k scsi drive going :\ |
| 21:58:52 | coldoutside | yeah, but that requires a dual pcmcia card |
| 21:59:00 | coldoutside | and they're painfully huge |
| 21:59:07 | banshee | 193 bucks i can price match them down to |
| 22:00:41 | coldoutside | for the dual pcmcia or the drive? |
| 22:00:48 | banshee | dual pcmcia sleeve |
| 22:01:57 | coldoutside | how large is the dual sleeve? |
| 22:02:10 | coldoutside | in opinion, not dimensions :) |
| 22:02:23 | banshee | big |
| 22:02:26 | banshee | not that big though |
| 22:02:40 | coldoutside | compared to the pcmcia sleeve? |
| 22:03:02 | banshee | just alittle bigger from the jpg's i've seen of them |
| 22:03:19 | coldoutside | I like the idea of Familiar running on the naked iPaq - as cool as it would be to have so much space to work with... |
| 22:03:41 | banshee | heh |
| 22:03:44 | banshee | i like my space |
| 22:03:49 | banshee | i like my space so much... |
| 22:03:54 | coldoutside | I like my pants not falling down :D |
| 22:03:59 | banshee | i can go thru an 80gb in a few hours |
| 22:04:19 | coldoutside | it's like candy |
| 22:04:22 | banshee | heh |
| 22:04:36 | banshee | t3 at school.. plus a campus full of pirates... a terabyte wouldn't last a day there |
| 22:05:00 | coldoutside | hehehe, yeah... it was like that a while ago |
| 22:05:03 | coldoutside | back when I lived on campus |
| 22:05:05 | coldoutside | :( |
| 22:05:21 | banshee | heh, i don't live on campus.. just my laptop visits alot:) |
| 22:05:51 | coldoutside | where do you go to school? |
| 22:05:57 | banshee | penn state you |
| 22:06:00 | banshee | university |
| 22:06:06 | banshee | damn xchat auto-complete |
| 22:07:02 | coldoutside | so you're not so far away |
| 22:07:03 | coldoutside | UMD here |
| 22:07:56 | DragonEagle | hehe got my degree from HKU and I don't mean hong kong |
| 22:08:12 | banshee | DragonEagle: as in mp5? |
| 22:08:18 | coldoutside | HKU? |
| 22:08:24 | DragonEagle | as in Hard Knock U |
| 22:10:36 | coldoutside | wireless keyboad dying :( |
| 22:11:33 | coldoutside | how many years does it take to get a degree from HKU? |
| 22:11:42 | DragonEagle | so far 20 |
| 22:12:15 | coldoutside | oi :\ |
| 22:13:06 | DragonEagle | I'm gonna go back to a real college at the start of the semister (well at least a community college) and finish up my associates |
| 22:14:47 | coldoutside | cool :) |
| 22:14:52 | coldoutside | you should come to UMD! |
| 22:14:55 | coldoutside | it's exciting here... |
| 22:14:57 | coldoutside | yeah... |
| 22:15:06 | DragonEagle | too bad I live in CA |
| 22:15:20 | coldoutside | yeah, well, you'll deal. |
| 22:15:28 | coldoutside | you can live in my closet. |
| 22:15:30 | DragonEagle | and have kids |
| 22:15:34 | coldoutside | it's about the size of my apartment ;) |
| 22:15:55 | coldoutside | hmm... I doubt you'd *all* fit in my closet |
| 22:16:30 | DragonEagle | oh yeah, did I mention I'm divorced with full custody (any questions as to why no degree at the age of 26) :) |
| 22:17:06 | coldoutside | divorced with full custody? |
| 22:17:13 | coldoutside | wow... how'd you pull that off? |
| 22:17:27 | coldoutside | I know a guy at work that's in a custody battle now w/his girlfriend :\ |
| 22:17:52 | DragonEagle | well, I kinda arranged an early court date so my ex who lived in another state couldn't possibly make it to the hearing |
| 22:18:28 | DragonEagle | eagles mate for life and dragons are vindictive :) |
| 22:19:06 | coldoutside | so she has not custody whatsoever? |
| 22:19:14 | coldoutside | not = no |
| 22:19:22 | DragonEagle | as of right now, she doesn't even have visitation rights |
| 22:20:12 | DragonEagle | woah, speaking of the kids, it's 3:30 I'll be back |
| 22:20:15 | coldoutside | did she have serious problems, or was it a matter of repeatedly ignoring the court dates? |
| 22:20:18 | coldoutside | ah. ok :) |
| 22:20:33 | coldoutside | salutes |
| 22:20:33 | DragonEagle | is away: schools out |
| 22:27:19 | coldoutside | anyone remember the days of the 1024k cylinder limit? |
| 22:27:41 | coldoutside | I just picked up a p200 and cannot get Linux to boot off of anything save for the "rescue" image on the CD |
| 22:28:03 | coldoutside | (using TurboLinux 6.0.4) |
| 22:44:39 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 00:24:06) |
| 23:38:35 | DragonEagle | is away: dinner |
| 23:40:08 | edisto | hi all |
| 23:42:45 | edisto | is running familiar 0.4/zImage-2.4.7-rmk3-np1-hh2-mono on an iPAQ 3150 |
| 23:45:15 | coldoutside | how much are the mono iPaqs going for these days? |
| 23:45:50 | edisto | got mine for $US 150. I heard they're going for less now |
| 23:46:07 | coldoutside | that's pretty cool |
| 23:46:14 | coldoutside | almost cheap enough to buy another to play with.... |
| 23:46:15 | coldoutside | :) |
| 23:46:22 | coldoutside | I just picked up a 3650 a while ago |
| 23:51:06 | edisto | I have an agenda, tu |
| 23:51:28 | edisto | waitin' for my sharpie |
| 23:58:47 | edisto | so, cold, what are you running on your 3650? |
| 23:59:29 | edisto | wb eagle |
| 23:59:37 | DragonEagle | thx |
| 23:59:54 | edisto | whatcha runnin? |
