| 00:26:41 | sj_away | is away: headed home. |
| 00:33:52 | sgodsell | is back (gone 01:45:12) |
| 00:34:20 | sgodsell | is away: I bought a new iPAQ, hurray!!!! |
| 00:34:33 | sgodsell | is back (gone 00:00:06) |
| 00:48:46 | DragonEagle | is away: dinner |
| 01:13:13 | sgodsell | is away: Enterprise is on |
| 02:02:07 | sgodsell | is back (gone 00:48:52) |
| 02:06:49 | DragonEagle | is away: store |
| 02:08:33 | EGg0 | is away: watching a movie with my lovely wife... wish it was porn :-) |
| 02:36:51 | sven | Anyone up for a newbie question? |
| 02:37:37 | sven | please |
| 02:39:55 | sven | What the devil is a skiff? |
| 02:45:48 | greeno | skiff |
| 02:45:48 | greeno | n : any of various small boats propelled by oars or by sails or |
| 02:45:48 | greeno | by a motor |
| 02:47:02 | sven | har har |
| 02:47:10 | sven | I got my q answered on #ipaq |
| 02:47:23 | sven | slaps greeno around with a small 50lb Unix Manual |
| 02:47:31 | greeno | sven: why thank you |
| 02:47:38 | greeno | what is a skiff then/ |
| 02:47:59 | sven | greeno: go here: http://handhelds.org/projects/skiffcluster.html |
| 02:48:18 | sven | I just didn't read down the page enuf |
| 03:58:35 | coldoutside | good morning. |
| 03:58:58 | coldoutside | does anyone have the flash_00400000.bin file from a 3650? |
| 04:37:26 | ApoXX | Where could I get WMCube? |
| 04:39:00 | sgodsell | is away: I have to go |
| 05:39:23 | beeblebrox_away | is back (gone 13:18:43) |
| 06:11:39 | lazzy_8 | Hello |
| 06:11:46 | lazzy_8 | Hey, I've got a ? |
| 06:12:04 | lazzy_8 | How do you initally get the familiar on to your iPAQ? |
| 06:12:16 | BrianR__ | lazzy_8: have a color ipaq? |
| 06:12:31 | lazzy_8 | Not yet but I'm thinking of getting a 36xx |
| 06:12:49 | lazzy_8 | I've got to put linux on it if i get it! |
| 06:13:04 | BrianR__ | lazzy_8: you need to run a program called boot blaster. It will patch in a new bootloader. Then the next time you start the ipaq, hold down the middle of the direction pad and you'll get a bootloader prompt on the serial port. |
| 06:13:11 | BrianR__ | from there, you use xmodem to upload a bootstrap image. |
| 06:13:26 | lazzy_8 | Okay, I can handle that! |
| 06:13:52 | BrianR__ | the newest familiar 0.5 stuff installs pretty easy on a 36xx ipaq. |
| 06:13:55 | lazzy_8 | Is there anything like grub where you can do a dual boot? |
| 06:14:36 | sjohnson | lazzy_8: Not really at present. |
| 06:15:04 | lazzy_8 | so the new bootloader completley over writes the master boot record |
| 06:15:15 | BrianR__ | sjohnson: there's not enough flash on the ipaq to hold both. Folks are working on allowing the ipaq to boot from a CF or other flash device, but it isn't done yet. |
| 06:15:58 | BrianR__ | lazzy_8: No. You can still boot Windows CE with the new bootloader installed. But there's no way to fith both CE and Familiar on the iPaq at the same time and no easy way (as in one that doesn't require you to upload flash images with the serial port) to switch between them. |
| 06:16:11 | lazzy_8 | Have you messed around w/ Intimate? |
| 06:16:33 | BrianR__ | lazzy_8: yes. I have it installe don my microdrive. |
| 06:16:48 | BrianR__ | They intend you to boot the device directly into intimate. |
| 06:16:59 | BrianR__ | But I find it more useful to chroot into intimate and launch individual apps. |
| 06:17:01 | BrianR__ | your milage may vary |
| 06:17:15 | BrianR__ | a large CF card or microdrive is required though. SOme of the applications are quite large. |
| 06:17:39 | lazzy_8 | Where did you buy your microdrive and ipaq? |
| 06:17:48 | BrianR__ | lazzy_8: I ordered my ipaq direct from compaq. |
| 06:17:49 | sjohnson | Some type of drive is best. A standard linux distro is hard on flash memory. |
| 06:18:04 | lazzy_8 | Could I get by w/ the 340 microdrive? |
| 06:18:11 | BrianR__ | I got the microdrive from some random listing on pricewatch. |
| 06:18:15 | lazzy_8 | Or should I just get the 1 G? |
| 06:18:41 | BrianR__ | I have the 1gb model and my install uses around 250mb. I don't use a compressed filesystem. |
| 06:18:52 | BrianR__ | the extra space is handy for mp3's though. |
| 06:18:57 | lazzy_8 | How long do the batteries last? |
| 06:19:16 | lazzy_8 | I'd like 750 megs of mp3s! :) |
| 06:19:45 | BrianR__ | I bet if making a compressed filesystem was easier it would be possible to get by with a 256mb CF card, which are quite cheap now. |
| 06:20:00 | BrianR__ | I bet if making a compressed filesystem was easier it would be possible to get by with a 256mb CF card, which are quite cheap now. |
| 06:20:17 | lazzy_8 | Could you tell me how long your batteries last? |
| 06:20:22 | BrianR__ | anything smaller is certainly useless for intimate. |
| 06:21:18 | BrianR__ | lazzy_8: It seems that no matter how much I use it it's gotta visit the cradle every 48-60 hours. I think for total ontime I've gotten 8+ hours. |
| 06:21:19 | sjohnson | lazzy_8: It depends on what sleeves you have and what your are ding |
| 06:21:57 | lazzy_8 | Does familiar have modules for the 802.11b CF cards? |
| 06:22:12 | BrianR__ | We had a power outage at work and I used the ipaq with a merlin cdpd modem all day long. But I also have the dual slot pcmcia adaptor, which adds two more batteries. |
| 06:22:26 | BrianR__ | and I kept the backlight either on its lowest setting or off |
| 06:22:27 | sjohnson | lazzy_8: yes. It supports more 801.11b cards. |
| 06:22:49 | sjohnson | s/more/most/ |
| 06:22:50 | BrianR__ | The newest modeles in familiar even work with my shitty linksys prismII card, which is nice. |
| 06:22:52 | lazzy_8 | Can you have the CF Microdrive in and the pcmcia adaptor? |
| 06:23:00 | BrianR__ | I want to get an orinoco card though. |
| 06:23:12 | BrianR__ | lazzy_8: yes. An adaptor is included with the sleeve and also with the microdrive. Either adaptor works. |
| 06:23:18 | sjohnson | lazzy_8: There are single and dual PCMCIA sleeves |
| 06:23:44 | BrianR__ | lazzy_8: In fact, I'd recommend that configuration over the CF sleeve for a microdrive. The CF sleeve doesn't add a battery and so you will have decreased runtime if you use the microdrive in it. |
| 06:23:52 | lazzy_8 | so you can use say the microdrive and have a pcmcia wireless ethernet card in at the same time? |
| 06:24:06 | sjohnson | lazzy_8: Yes with the dual sleeve. |
| 06:24:07 | BrianR__ | lazzy_8: With the dual pcmcia sleeve you can put both in at one time, yes. |
| 06:24:48 | BrianR__ | I haven't taken measurements yet with the linksys prism II and the new cs driver with power management turned on, but with the wlan_ng driver that thing sucked batteries and got hot as hell. |
| 06:24:49 | lazzy_8 | Can you load intimate onto a pcmcia hard drive? |
| 06:25:10 | sjohnson | lazzy_8: Yes. Any PCMCIA or CF drive will do. |
| 06:25:10 | BrianR__ | lazzy_8: Yes. Some folks have used the toshiba pcmcia drives for this. |
| 06:25:23 | lazzy_8 | Wow, very cool! |
| 06:25:38 | BrianR__ | lazzy_8: But I think the microdrive is still the best real disk from a power consumption perspective. |
| 06:26:11 | sjohnson | yep. Microdrive is the lower power eater to date. |
| 06:26:11 | lazzy_8 | My ideal situation would be to have a wireless e-net card and the microdrive! |
| 06:26:13 | BrianR__ | sjohnson: Hey. Any idea where I can get a memory_cs module for familiar? |
| 06:26:37 | sjohnson | BrianR__: I think it's in the kernel-modules .ipk |
| 06:27:04 | lazzy_8 | Is it possible to have the CF microdrive and a CF wireless ethernet card in at the same time? |
| 06:27:08 | BrianR__ | I have a few pcmcia type I flash or battery backed ram cards and get a "can't load memory_cs.o" when I insert them. |
| 06:27:17 | BrianR__ | sjohnson: isn't that .ipk installed by default? |
| 06:27:17 | sjohnson | lazzy_8: Yes. not a problem. |
| 06:27:32 | lazzy_8 | Excellent! I'm going to buy one! |
| 06:27:36 | sjohnson | BrianR__: Why do you need memory_cs.o? |
| 06:28:01 | BrianR__ | lazzy_8: Yes. You need two adaptors, but the microdrive comes with one and the dual slot pcmcia comes with one as well. |
| 06:28:11 | BrianR__ | sjohnson: I have a bunch of non-ata flash cards |
| 06:28:19 | sjohnson | BrianR__: Ahh |
| 06:28:38 | BrianR__ | sjohnson: they should show up as mtd's if memory_cs works, right? |
| 06:28:49 | sjohnson | Hmm. I can't find memory_cs anywhere. |
| 06:29:12 | BrianR__ | which means I can use jffs2 on them :) |
| 06:29:14 | BrianR__ | http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/man/memory_cs.4.html |
| 06:29:29 | lazzy_8 | So there is a dual CF adaptor available? |
| 06:29:59 | sjohnson | lazzy_8: Not as yet. |
| 06:30:01 | BrianR__ | lazzy_8: Not yet. You have to use the dual pcmcia adaptor with two pcmcia<->CF adaptors inside. |
| 06:30:22 | lazzy_8 | Are they planning on coming out w/ one soon? |
| 06:30:30 | BrianR__ | lazzy_8: A number of people have proposed a dual CF with the slots facing in opposite directions. No idea if compaq has taken the hint or not. |
| 06:31:03 | sjohnson | BrianR__: I don't think memory_cs is configured in the lastest kernel config files |
| 06:31:15 | BrianR__ | sjohnson: who should I ask about it? |
| 06:31:35 | BrianR__ | it would be quite handy for these old 32m flash cards, which I have a gazillion of. |
| 06:31:43 | sjohnson | BrianR__: i think jamey is still doing the kernel stuff for now. |
| 06:31:59 | lazzy_8 | Is there a CF CDPD modem available?? |
| 06:32:01 | sjohnson | No It's Andy |
| 06:32:14 | BrianR__ | lazzy_8: Yes, but I don't know if any of them work well with Linux. |
| 06:32:17 | sjohnson | lazzy_8: Yes. I think it's called the Spinder |
| 06:32:27 | sjohnson | Er Spider |
| 06:32:36 | BrianR__ | lazzy_8: And most of them are actually quite large. Despite fitting in a CF slot, a whole bunch of the card hangs out. |
| 06:32:52 | lazzy_8 | like an atenna? |
| 06:33:18 | BrianR__ | lazzy_8: i have the novatel wireless merlin card, which is a pcmcia type II. It shows up as a standard serial device, which means you can use it on any OS. |
| 06:33:19 | sjohnson | No a bunch of the electronics |
| 06:34:09 | lazzy_8 | I'm just imagining ssh'ing from some sunny beach! |
| 06:34:40 | BrianR__ | lazzy_8: heh. I use mine when I'm not in range of 802.11. I'm a student and work as a unix sysadmin at a local startup. So I'm always on call with my ipaq. |
| 06:35:00 | BrianR__ | sjohnson: andyc@handhelds.org? |
| 06:35:25 | lazzy_8 | Brian, at least you don't have to go back to work! |
| 06:36:13 | lazzy_8 | Okay, I'm going to try to get my work to pay for this. If not, I'm shelling out the money to buy it anyway! |
| 06:36:18 | lazzy_8 | Thanks for the info! |
| 06:36:20 | lazzy_8 | Bye! |
| 06:36:21 | BrianR__ | heh. WOrk paid for mine. |
| 06:37:37 | sjohnson | BrianR__: I think something is wrong with the kernel source. The Makefile doesn't include the memory_cs driver |
| 06:38:33 | BrianR__ | sjohnson: odd... |
| 06:39:08 | sjohnson | most odd. Might mention is on the mailing list |
| 06:40:26 | sjohnson | I just check the mainstream kernel source. It's missing from there as well. |
| 06:40:32 | BrianR__ | I suspect some of these cards I have are not flash, but actually sram backed by a lithium battery.. |
| 06:40:35 | BrianR__ | sjohnson: quite odd... |
| 06:40:55 | BrianR__ | like the memory cards used by older cisco and bay networks routers are non-ata flash cards.. |
| 06:41:10 | BrianR__ | (I used to work for nortel networks and picked a dozen or so of them out of the trash) |
| 06:41:35 | sjohnson | I'm suprised that we are te first to notice this. |
| 06:43:05 | sjohnson | well it;s getting late for me. I'll ask jamey if I see him tomorrow. |
| 06:43:10 | sjohnson | 'nite |
| 06:44:00 | BrianR__ | heh. |
| 07:29:37 | DragonEagle | is away: night all |
| 16:07:30 | bipolar | a7r: so .5 is officaly released. eh? |
| 16:58:54 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 01:19:05) |
| 17:24:23 | EGg0 | is back (gone 15:15:39) |
| 18:51:55 | CraHan | hi |
| 18:52:10 | CraHan | does anyone know how I can get back into the bootloader console |
| 18:52:23 | CraHan | I reset the machine and press the calender button |
| 18:52:32 | CraHan | but it boots familiar anyway |
| 18:54:27 | CraHan | ah ok |
| 18:54:33 | CraHan | took it's time darnit :) |
| 18:58:18 | lucifuge | Hey all. Just found the project and I'm going to have to puy a new HPC soon....might as well be an iPaq now that I know about this. |
| 19:24:32 | DragonEagle | is away: bbiaf |
| 20:31:41 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 01:07:07) |
| 20:54:24 | bAckline | .homelien.no |
| 21:52:14 | DragonEagle | is away: just away |
| 21:52:34 | | JFFS is the Journaling Flash File System developed by Axis Communications in Sweden, aimed at providing a crash/powerdown-safe filesystem for disk-less embedded devices. |
| 21:52:34 | grib | ibot jffs |
| 22:39:30 | atv | does anyone have a vnc binary (server and client) for familiar linux on ipaq ? |
| 22:39:47 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 00:47:29) |
| 23:23:32 | wudoo | hellio |
| 23:23:38 | wudoo | hello |
| 23:24:19 | wudoo | can anyone help me ? |
| 23:24:25 | pattieja | what's up? |
| 23:24:41 | wudoo | i installed familiar on ipag 3630 |
| 23:24:53 | pattieja | cool |
| 23:24:54 | wudoo | now how can i connect it to net |
| 23:25:06 | DragonEagle | is away: Dr/Rx |
| 23:25:07 | pattieja | do you have a pcmcia sleeve? |
| 23:25:09 | wudoo | and work on ipaq at the same time |
| 23:25:15 | wudoo | over ttyS0 |
| 23:25:24 | pattieja | should be pretty much already setup |
| 23:25:27 | wudoo | there is no telnet server on ipaq |
| 23:25:36 | wudoo | so if i make a connection |
| 23:25:45 | pattieja | lookup PPP on the wiki pages |
| 23:25:45 | wudoo | i cant connect to ipaq anymore |
| 23:25:47 | | wiki is a community editable website hosting a collection of useful, linux on handheld documents and can be found at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki |
| 23:25:47 | pattieja | ibot: wiki |
| 23:26:01 | wudoo | i did that |
| 23:26:29 | wudoo | i just cant use terminal and PPP at the same time over ttyS0 |
| 23:26:31 | pattieja | so you have the ability to establish a PPP connection to your iPAQ? |
| 23:26:36 | wudoo | yes |
| 23:26:37 | pattieja | of course |
| 23:26:42 | pattieja | so what's the problem? |
| 23:27:00 | wudoo | so how can i connect to ipaq over ppp? |
| 23:27:10 | wudoo | there is no telnet server |
| 23:27:13 | wudoo | or smthn |
| 23:27:17 | sjohnson | wudoo: ssh |
| 23:27:20 | wudoo | hmm |
| 23:29:00 | pattieja | is away: evening |