| 09:37:12 | xwred1 | is away: I'm busy |
| 12:22:47 | EGg0 | is away: school |
| 13:18:47 | wired79 | hi all |
| 13:19:08 | wired79 | how much space would familiar need on my 64MB CF card? |
| 13:19:38 | grib | wired79: none |
| 13:19:46 | wired79 | none? |
| 13:19:53 | grib | it installs on the internal flash of the iPaq |
| 13:21:26 | wired79 | does it overwrite the parrot mode as well? |
| 13:21:35 | grib | wired79: or were you asking how much space to transport it? |
| 13:23:05 | wired79 | grib: I need to know if the parrot mode is overwritten, if not I could write my current rom to cf and reflash it in case something goes wrong |
| 13:23:38 | grib | wired79: you have the opportunity to save all of your current flash before writing familiar |
| 13:23:50 | grib | including the existing bootloader (is that the parrot?) |
| 13:24:21 | wired79 | i guess, the mode you get into using reset and action button |
| 13:24:43 | grib | in any case, yes, you can save everything for later reflash |
| 13:25:19 | wired79 | how is powersaving working? |
| 13:26:24 | grib | wired79: no idea. |
| 13:26:48 | wired79 | grib: do you own an Ipaq? |
| 13:27:30 | grib | yep |
| 13:27:41 | wired79 | familiar installed? |
| 13:27:44 | grib | yep |
| 13:28:44 | wired79 | and no idea if powersaving is working? |
| 13:29:02 | wired79 | what apps are included in familiar? |
| 13:30:02 | grib | I don't really know exactly what you mean by "powersaving" for one thing. And for another thing it's not that relevant to me ATM as long as the batteries last an hour or so, which they do :) |
| 13:30:27 | grib | apps in familiar: a rather shockingly spare but functional unix environment |
| 13:31:07 | grib | I don't use the ipaq for any PIM functions, and I need the flash space for my apps, so I hardly have any of the GUI stuff installed other than the X server and libs |
| 13:31:45 | wired79 | i see, so one can customise it before flashing? |
| 13:31:54 | grib | the flash is just a disk. |
| 13:31:58 | grib | (or appears to be one) |
| 13:32:14 | grib | you can install whatever software you want with a package tool |
| 13:32:22 | grib | very much like Debian's dpkg |
| 13:32:26 | grib | called 'ipkg' |
| 13:32:40 | wired79 | i see, and only serial cable supported i guess |
| 13:32:47 | grib | heck no |
| 13:32:55 | grib | well, USB isn't supported |
| 13:33:08 | grib | but ethernet or 802.11 is |
| 13:33:14 | wired79 | my ipaq doesn't work with usb anyway |
| 13:33:45 | grib | wired79: I bought a serial cradle for $30 ... it's very useful for a linux ipaq |
| 13:33:50 | grib | as a console, if nothing else. |
| 13:34:51 | grib | wired79: I wrote a walkthrough of how the install process goes which might be useful ... http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/SurveyAndWalkthrough |
| 13:36:00 | wired79 | cool |
| 13:36:39 | wired79 | grib: what happens when you press reset and keep the action button pressed, do you still get the parrot? |
| 13:39:58 | grib | wired79: I don't know, I've never done that. My suspicion is that you don't get the parrot; I believe that you get the 'bootldr' screen instead once you have installed bootldr |
| 13:40:22 | grib | you are wiping the windows bootloader and replacing it with something that can boot a linux kernel |
| 13:41:01 | wired79 | grip: thanx for your time, i think about it... |
| 13:41:01 | grib | but bootldr has low-level IO functionality to reload and reflash the windows bootloader if you want it back |
| 13:46:32 | szachari | hi... I just installed familiar 0.5 (great UI work -thank you!), but for some reason df does not show the usage on /mnt/ramfs (although mount does claim that ramfs is mounted)... Can someone help me please? |
| 23:29:55 | Nebz | hello... i got a problem... i have to restore winCE on my ipaq but i've lost my flash copies...... what to do ? |
| 23:37:38 | pattieja | hmm |
| 23:37:42 | pattieja | greeno: ok |
| 23:46:19 | greeno | pigeon: |
| 23:46:21 | greeno | pigeon: hey |
| 23:46:28 | pigeon | Yeah? |
| 23:46:37 | greeno | bbs |
| 23:49:44 | pattieja | hmm. That still didn't fix the rxvt problem with it not accepting xstroke input |
| 23:50:15 | pigeon | pattieja: i have the same problem, and it seems that it's not only rxvt, but all apps |
| 23:50:47 | pigeon | I can only write starting from those window frame border |
| 23:50:51 | pigeon | greeno: wb |
| 23:51:34 | greeno | thx |
| 23:51:49 | pigeon | greeno: what were you trying to say before? |
| 23:54:57 | greeno | when? |
| 23:55:14 | pigeon | [#familiar] <greeno> bbs |
| 23:56:00 | greeno | be back soon |
| 23:56:14 | pigeon | oh. |
| 23:57:17 | pattieja | pigeon: yep |